It's official-we are a big market team!

by jimgstl on Dec 14, 2005 8:54 AM CST

Check out the poll on

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb

We are listed as an option in the Miguel Tejada "sweepstakes." That's pretty funny. I guess we are finally getting some respect.

Note: I am in no way advocating anything involving Tejada one way or the other. Just noting that it is interesting that the Sox are listed as an option. We have been traditionally only been listed in such polls as "other."

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Yes, but still only 2%

voted for the White Sox. Big MArket means you're up front in the minds of the vast masses of moron fans. It'll happen if KW keeps this up, but it'll take a little time.

BTW, there is no an actual rumor circulating that KW is about to deal for Tejada.

AIM: ozspengler

by spengler on Dec 14, 2005 11:31 AM CST reply actions

there is NOW an actual rumor

AIM: ozspengler

by spengler on Dec 14, 2005 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

when does a rumour

become an actual rumour? aren't all rumours rumours?

by goldstone97 @ South Side Sox on Dec 14, 2005 2:07 PM CST reply actions

ha ha good point

i guess what i meant is i heard a rumor.

modifying "rumor" with "actual" makes it sound realer, more better.

AIM: ozspengler

by spengler on Dec 14, 2005 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

i see

and personally, i hope the rumour part is taken out, and it becomes actual (presuming it's basically garland = tejada).

by goldstone97 @ South Side Sox on Dec 14, 2005 3:03 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not quite so sure

I'm working on a couple of thoughts on the new predictive engine Bradbury has devised at THT ("PrOPS"), which is brilliant. According to those #'s, Uribe is not far behind Tejada at all in his offensive outlook for 06.

"Rumour"... are you Canadian?

AIM: ozspengler

by spengler on Dec 14, 2005 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

really?

i'd be interested to see those numbers, if you can post them. i suppose, as i think the cheat mentioned a while back, uribe looked a lot stronger offensively for much of the 2nd half, as if he was figuring some things out. but...tejada still seems a big step away, and the track record is no comparison.

no, i'm not canadian. i'm english, hence the spelling.

by goldstone97 @ South Side Sox on Dec 14, 2005 3:13 PM CST up reply actions

nevermind

i found them (i presume).

Tejada PredOPS .810
Uribe PredOPS .771

And I looked up:
Tejada CareerOPS .815
Uribe CareerOPS .737

Any idea why Uribe's is so far off his career number? (I haven't read up on the methodology yet, sorry)

by goldstone97 @ South Side Sox on Dec 14, 2005 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

It's component driven

It's derived on a formula based on line drive, groundball, flyball, walk, & strikeout rates.

Uribe lays out lots of ropes, and even though he looks bad when he does strikeout, he doesn't do it all that often.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 14, 2005 3:33 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks

I just read the original article on the Hardball Times as well, here's the link for anyone else interested.

For what it's worth, Uribe's post-allstar OPS was .769, close to the prediction above. Perhaps most importantly considering that OPS undervalues OBP, Uribe did walk an awful lot more in the 2nd half as well as raising his slugging percentage.

Historically, though, Tejada's OBP is way ahead of Uribe's (.338 vs .305), perhaps making the OPS comparison a little misleading in terms of assessing their value.

by goldstone97 @ South Side Sox on Dec 14, 2005 4:16 PM CST up reply actions

Thome's is icky.

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by 3E8 on Dec 14, 2005 11:37 PM CST up reply actions

Wouldn't more realistic trade be

Vazquez, Uribe, and Cotts for Tejada.
or
Vazguez, Uribe, and McCarthy for Tejada and Cash?

I would think that the Oriloes would want pitching. They already said that they want MLB ready pitchers, no minor league pitchers, they need em now. I am not saying this is a good trade for the white Sox, but isn't that more realistic from the Orioles point of view?

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by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 14, 2005 4:01 PM CST reply actions

realistic? No.

Would the Orioles rather do it? Yes. If we could throw that Buehrle guy in there to, that would be nice. More pitchers=more gooder.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 14, 2005 4:16 PM CST up reply actions

I know its not a good deal for us

obviously. But if I were the Orioles I would try to pry pitchers away, but would they trade Tejada for just Uribe and Vazquez, thats not a very good deal for them.

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by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 14, 2005 4:23 PM CST up reply actions