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Sox vs. Rox Preview

Much like I did for the Cubs series, I got together with another SportsBlogs writer to answer 5 questions. This time I teamed with Rox Girl over at Purple Row. I would have had it up earlier, but I was the one who dropped the ball on this one. So you can blame me for not having reading material this morning. Onto the questions...

Cheat: I'm gonna try to word this as delicately as possible. I don't want it to sound like an insult. The Rox haven't finished higher than fourth since 1998. They're starting a host of rookies this season. What's it like as a fan of a team that essentially has no shot even before the season started? Speaking from experience, the Sox made the famous White Flag deal back in 1997, but remained relatively competitive immediately afterwards. That white flag trade, however, severely hurt the fan base here. At what point do Rox fans say enough already?

Rox Girl: Rockies fans have proven remarkably resilient through seven years of futility and unfortunately the ownership of the team has let that fact cloud their judgment in regards to how desperately we want to see a winning team in Denver. I think perhaps early on the fanbase was a little naive in assuming that the Monforts would know how to do what it took to build a winner, and certainly seeing the Bigs throwing a lot of money away in pursuit of that cause shows that they are sincere in their desire for success, even if they're not the brightest lights in MLB's ownership pantheon, so they do have that sincerity thing going for them. I say the point of no return will be if this crop of youngsters we're seeing now fails to improve next year. This offseason is important as well as the owners will have a little more money to spend and they need to make a good faith investment in a player that Rockies fans will appreciate. The position most likely to be open and ready to be filled by such a player will be second base.

Cheat: What are your impressions of Clint Hurdle? Here in Chicago we were lead to believe that he was the main reason that Juan Uribe wasn't sucessful in Colorado. Was that the case? How is he with the rest of the young roster?

Rox Girl: I have been on Clint H for some time now, not as early as some because I believe in giving people an opportunity to learn from their early mistakes, but there does come a point where after the same mistakes are repeated frequently with the same losing results that you wonder if the needed learning will ever occur. Right now dismissing Clint would be heartless given the struggles his family is going through with his two year old daughter's health concerns, however, and the Rockies weren't expected to compete this year anyway, so I can't see us making any moves before the beginning of next year. As far as Juan Uribe goes, his inconsistency at the plate was the team's biggest problem with his game and it looks to me like that hasn't changed since we made the trade. I don't know if I agree with the move still, Uribe's defense was and is very special at short, but offensively I'd rather have Barmes, and say what you will about Aaron Miles' OBP, but it still beats the .273 Uribe's sporting. Well, okay, I'll admit it, I'd still rather have Uribe than Miles, but I can't cry over spilt milk now.

Cheat: How do you win in Colorado? Do you go with a four-man rotation, and a deep pen? Do you load up on sluggers, or maybe speed? Does the front office seem to have a plan?

Rox Girl: Pass. But I'll come back to it soon.

Joe Kennedy, Byung-Hyun Kim, and Jeff Francis are the scheduled starters. Can you give us a quick scouting report on these guys, specifically Francis. Does he do something special that would help him put up such an incredible ERA at Coors?

Rox Girl: Joe Kennedy came over from Tampa in a three way trade with the Blue Jays around the same time the Miles for Uribe deal was made. Last year he had some remarkable success with the Rockies, but his DIPS ERA indicated that his success was probably a little lucky and this year that's proving to be the case. After struggling with inconsistency and command issues all year, Kennedy is fighting to keep his spot in the rotation with the imminent return of injured Aaron Cook threatening to push him or Jamey Wright to the bench. Kennedy tends to get flustered easily and loses focus when things go a little badly and then he lets them go a lot badly in a hurry, If he stays mentally there, and the White Sox fail to get to him early, then it could be a long day for them and he'll stay solid. If the Sox get a couple of big hits, if he walks a couple in the early innings or if the Rockies defense is shaky behind him then the opposite will prove to be true and he'll let things get out of hand for us. You're so lucky Kim is starting and not the hamstrung Shawn Chacon, who despite his record showing otherwise, is our best pitcher of the year thus far. Kim is a reclamation project who we traded a high minors left-handed prospect (Chris Narveson, who we got from the Cardinals for Larry Walker) for from Boston because everybody knows that the one place a pitcher can rebuild his confidence is Coors Field....Gack this could be ugly.

Yes! Thank you for letting me talk about Francis. What makes him successful in Coors and certain other places is a deceptive delivery release point that can be brutal for batters to pick up regardless of the elevation, as it has nothing to do with the motion of the ball. After dominating the Padres in one of his starts at Petco last year, they decided to darken the hitting backdrop of the stadium so it wouldn't happen again. That's how tricky this release is. For some reason the Rockies haven't decided to adjust the batter's eye at Coors were Francis has similar success. I wonder why that is, hmm... oh wait, maybe it's because he's pitching for our team! You guys are are in trouble for this game, I have to admit. Francis stays in the strikezone so hitters can't just wait for a walk like they'll be able to against Kim, the contact they make is usually weak so you won't see him give up a lot of home-runs, and he's got enough talent to fool even the best hitters at times.

Cheat: Is Clint Barmes for real? His splits say his impressive numbers are simply a product of Coors Field.

Rox Girl: Okay, I'll go back to question three also for this one since the two are closely related. There is no such thing as a simple product of Coors Field. Not every hitter that goes to Coors Field has the same degree of success as certain types of players for some reason. So what you see as a Coors Field product, I see as a Coors Field specialist. Matt Holliday is another example. These are players who know how to use the field to the most extreme advantage possible, last week I introduced on my site a Coors/Road Alternative Profile (CRAP) test which typifies how certain players respond to altitude ball this year, Barmes registers as an OCO/FCS/.649, meaning that he's an opportunist (+.100 or more OBP) when it comes to getting on base at Coors and his slugging is about as full (+.200 or more) of CRAP as you can get and the last number indicates his pedestrian road OPS. Is this a bad thing? Look at Desi Relaford's home/road splits or Brad Hawpe's, do you really think it's good that after twenty games plus both a mile up at home and at sea level away that players can't hit better at Coors Field than they do on the road? Now, certain players have such a dismal road OPS that regardless of how high they boost their home OPS, they still register as bad players, uhm, okay so Aaron Miles (OCO/OCS/.510) has that dismal road OPS that indicates he shouldn't be playing anywhere. Clint Barmes' and Garrett Atkins' have less experience so maybe they can grow into a road routine that makes them valuable to the run production of the club. They certainly should be moved down in the order away though to minimize their at bats in favor of those with better road stats. Their home stats are such that you want them in every game at Coors, while Hawpe, Relaford, and Luis Gonzalez would probably do very well as road subs. Obviously it would get very expensive to build a team with two sets of players, but using the players that you have wisely, and being willing to alter your lineup approach while away I think are important ingredients for success for the Rockies. Speed is a bad idea as these players won't keep up with other teams' slugging at home, and they won't be able to steal first on the road. I like the idea of having one or two more sluggers who can keep us close while away (Vinny Castilla's seventeen road home-runs last year were both cheap and effective, despite the pundits' views) Second, as far as pitchers go, I think the key is to have several pitchers available throughout the year by keeping the upper minors full of reasonable endurance oriented alternates (keep the five man rotation, or maybe even go to six) as you build around a core group of two to three of your best starters and three to four dominant relievers. The bullpen will be cheaper to build, but also harder to maintain as pitchers will constantly bolt from Coors during free agency, so I don't know if I've seen a satisfactory solution that takes into account all of the finances involved. Albeit, I still feel that merely an effective staff is all that's needed if the offense is built and used wisely as the home-field advantage in that scenario will keep us in contention.

The front office has a better plan afoot then they have in the past with several sluggers at multiple positions rising and the on-base gurus to set the table mostly breaking in this year, but the results of this plan are still a couple of years away and already there are cracks showing in the pitching development pipeline that need to be addressed through the draft and, I feel, trades. Free agent pitchers are not a good idea unless they are cheap and willing and perhaps used to taking hits.

Cheat: Finally, predictions for the series.

Cheat: The most winnable game for the Sox is obviously Tuesday. Contreras throws fastball & splitter they should remain relatively uneffected by the altitude. Plus BHK pitches that day, so I like our chances. The other two days, Garcia and Hernandez pitch. They both throw lots of breaking stuff, and are flyball pitchers. They could easily get roughed up in the thin air. Also with Frank Thomas and Carl Everett on the bench, the Sox don't have a lot of power in the line up. If this series was in Chicago, I'd be tempted to predict a sweep. In Denver, however, with two All-stars on the pine, the advantage is Colorado's. Sox lose series 1-2.

Rox Girl: With Coors Field I look first at our own pitchers and then at the opponents and I think I have to agree with your assessment and say your best shot at a win is with Byung Hyun Kim starting for the Rockies with the Tuesday game. A little behind is when Kennedy pitches. I'll say we upset your team a little in the Kennedy matchup and win the Francis one as well, unfortunately I see Tuesday's BHK/Contreras duel as close to a gimme for the Sox as you will find.


I've got to say, I really didn't know anything about the Rockies prior to this, nor did I really care. Here in one email conversation we probably got more information on the Rockies then we'd ever know what to do with.

Thanks to Rox Girl for her help doing this. It turned out better than I could have imagined. This medium truly is incredible. Be sure to stop by Purlpe Row and see my responses to Brandi's questions.

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White Flag Deal
could you recap what that was?

by shaftr on Jun 6, 2005 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

We gave up two members of our starting rotation
While sitting just 3 games out of first place. We weren't going to win that year, and it probably was a shrewd move by the front office, but it may have been the straw that broke many a fans back. They percieved that the White Sox didn't want to win. When in reality they just restrusctured the team to be able to compete long term, much like what Oakland has done this year.

Here's the transactions from that year...
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_CHA1997.htm

and here's the standings at the time of the trade
http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1997-07-31

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2005 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

But in reality
That trade probably set us up for the success we had in 2000. The bullpen was a huge key that put us over the top that year (to win the division, that is) and we had an excellent 8th and 9th inning duo in Howry and Foulke because of that trade.

by MRKARNO on Jun 6, 2005 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

white flag season of 97
the sox were only a couple games out of 1st place around July when management made the decision to trade just about every decient player on the roster (except Frank) which effectivly ended the Sox' season

by chisox317 on Jun 6, 2005 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

How to win at Coors
I've only ever seen one game at Coors (vs. the Astros in '99--ended up 11-8 or something), but I'd like to weigh in on the proper philosophy for winning there.  I have to disagree with Rox Girl's assessment that going with lots of speed is a losing approach.  I think it's the best approach.  Especially for the defense.  From what I understand, the most damaging aspect of pitching at Coors isn't necessarily the ease with which opposing batters hit home runs, but the ease with which they get basehits.  The outfield dimensions are necessarily cavernous, but the need to play deep because of the thin air leaves an enormous amount of room for basehits to fall in.  If I were the Rockies, I'd build my offense around defense.  Make gold-glove caliber outfield play the priority and spend your money (which the Rockies have shown a willingness to do in the past) on guys like Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones, or, less expensively, Mike Cameron or Mark Kotsay who can cover a ton of ground in the outfield and take advantage of the altitude at the plate.  Then build the rest of your offense like the St. Louis Cardinals of the mid-80's with a bunch of high-OBP contact hitters that can run, and you'll first-and-third teams to death at home and still have an offense that doesn't die on the road. And then of course make pitching the overwhelming focus of your minor league development.

My other, more ludicrous proposal for making Coors a more reasonable place to play would be to actually bring the fences in, but make all of the outfield walls the height of the green monster.  They could even have the top of the wall be all jagged like a mountain range.  You know, purple mountain's majesty and all that.  It'd be cool.  Also, tons of foul territory, a la Oakland, would also help the pitchers.

 

by Ryno on Jun 6, 2005 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Outfield speed is the key
That's what I would do too.  It's not the homers that kill you at Coors, it's the extra singles, doubles, and triples.

For comparison, USCF of the last two seasons, has allowed HRs at about the same rate, but it's nuetral in all other areas. maybe even supressing doubles a bit, but that may be the work of Aaron Rowand. This season, Coors is allowing 24% more runs than average, while USCF is actually allowing 3% fewer runs. That's a small sample size, and some of it is just blind luck. But USCF was only 5% above average last season in terms of runs allowed, while yeilding over %30 more HRs than average.

I'd be tempted to run out a starting outfield of Pods, Willie, and Aaron on Tuesday, with BHK on the mound. It would be tough to have JD, FT, and CE all on the bench, but I'd be willing to bet that the outfield would take away more hits than it gives up. And you could pull a double switch to get JD back in the game if the count struggles

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2005 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

May sound simple but...
If I was Rox GM I would load my rotation with K pitchers.  Even if there was a pitcher who you thought of a little higher but the other was more of a K guy; I'd go with the K guy.
WEE WILLIE

by WHarris1 on Jun 6, 2005 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

One problem
to get Ks, you often need great breaking ball pitches.  Coors doesn't allow that.

by shaftr on Jun 6, 2005 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Freddy
Freddy has success punching guys out last night, no?
WEE WILLIE

by WHarris1 on Jun 7, 2005 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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