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Vincente Padilla and everything else that went wrong

The White Sox got shutout for just the second time this season, but that story will take a backseat to the fiasco that developed over the course of the game.

First a brief recap of the actual baseball on the field: The Sox led off the top of the third with 2 straight hits, putting runners at second and third with nobody out. That was pretty much the high point of the game for the Sox. After that, Tadahito Iguchi, Jim Thome, and Paul Konekro failed to get even a single of those runners in, the Sox managed just 2 more hits on the night, and Vazquez allowed four 2-out runs in the bottom half of the inning.

The real story of the night was the bizarre dust-up between Vincente Padilla and A.J. Pierzynski. To my knowledge, there is zero history between these two. (Comcast supposedly took a look back through their careers, and was only able to find a Pierzysnki HR, but he didn't appear to do anything that would draw Padillia's ire.) Leading off the second inning, Padilla hit Pierzynski with an inside fastball. He and AJ seemed to jaw a bit, and home plate umpire Phil Cuzzi hand delivered the ball back to Padilla. It seemed intentional, but it also seemed like things were resolved at that point, or at least that would be the last of the fireworks we'd see between the two. Leading off the 4th inning, Padilla again hit Pierzynski with an inside fastball, causing Cuzzi to immediately issue both benches warnings.

Of course, it didn't just end there. In the 7th inning Ozzie Guillen called on Sean Tracey, who I compared to Rick Vaughn last time out, giving him plausible deniablity when Tracey beaned Hank Blalock leading off the inning. Problem. Tracey, didn't hit him. He tried to hit Blalock. Twice. But that wasn't enough for Ozzie. When Tracey induced a groundout on a third inside pitch -- he was probably trying to hit Blalock for the third time. It almost looked like Blalock took a self-preservation swing. -- Ozzie sprung from the bullpen and immediately pulled Tracey in favor of Agustin Montero.

The Comcast cameras didn't show it, but Ozzie then proceeded to dress down Tracey in plain sight of cameras in the dugout. Thumbs down to Comcast for sanitizing the wrong part of their broadcast -- I could clearly hear swearing coming from the Sox pen when AJ was hit the second time, but they failed to show the developing story when Ozzie choose wrong the occasion to teach a young kid a lesson.

Guillen gets an even bigger thumbs down from me. Why bother playing the beanball game tonight? After the warnings are issued, you're subjecting yourself to an automatic two game suspension, and a 3-6 game suspension for your pitcher, depending on their usual pitching role. You have a history with William Nathaniel Showalter; I understand that. And, there's no doubt in my mind that Showalter had something to do with the second AJ HBP. Wednesday was not the night to settle the score, not after warnings had been issued.

What I didn't understand, is why Guillen ripped into Tracey for failing in his attempt to hit Blalock, yet nothing was made of Montero's inability to avoid the Rangers' bats. Montero wasn't hitting anyone, but they were hitting him. There's somebody to direct some anger at.

Thumbs down for Phil Cuzzi allowing Vincente Padilla to stay in the game after clearly headhunting. Padilla and Cuzzi get a pass for the first beaning, because there didn't appear to be a documented history between the two. After the second beaning however, Cuzzi dropped the ball. That's not the situation for warnings. That situation calls for an automatic ejection.

Before somebody tries to bring up that Padilla had yet to be warned, so he couldn't be thrown out, I have to point out that ejections are completely at the umpire's discretion. We've seen Mark Buerhle's 6-or-more-innings-a-start streak come to an end on an ejection without a warning. Cuzzi may not have known the history between those two entering the game, and could have denied that the first was unintentional, but all of those arguments were removed when the second pitch Pierzynski saw was also right at him.

While I'm handing out 'thumbs down' I have to mention Hawk. He burst a blood vessel in the second when AJ was hit, then went overboard in the 4th. He went so far as to say that if he was still playing, he'd be waiting for Padilla outside the clubhouse after the game. Keep your head, old man. Keep your head.

Hawk failed to point out that A.J. didn't exactly 'protect' himself with spikes-high takeout slides when he had the opportunity. Joe Crede, who struck out immediately following both beanings, did, however. In Crede's case though, I doubt it was noticed, thanks to the 8-0 score in the ninth inning when he did it.

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Maybe Ozzie's blowup will convince other teams to stop throwing at Pierzynski.

Or maybe Tracey will get another shot tomorrow.

by Stealfirstbase on Jun 14, 2006 11:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Guillen and the Sox
are so far out of line on this one it's ridiculous.

I think if you've been around here long enough, you know that I don't toss around stuff like that lightly. I usually agree with most of Ozzie's handling of pitchers and his candidness with the media. This, however, has to be the first situation where it's plainly obvious that Ozzie is totally wrong.

His actions following the Blalock at-bat have put him in a position where he will now have

  1. a weaker bullpen
  2. pre-game warnings issued tomorrow, and thus no opportunity for retrobution.
  3. a phone call from the commish's office since it was clear that he ordered a beaning.
There's no reason to make an example out of Tracey. If AJ is comfortable catching Vazquez, who didn't 'protect' him by beaning anyone, than he can be comfortable with the kid who tried, but failed, to bean Blalock. I hope it's just Ozzie raising a stink, because if it's AJ, the White Sox have even bigger problems.
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by The Cheat on Jun 14, 2006 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Montero too?
Why isn't he the example?
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by The Cheat on Jun 14, 2006 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with everyting yo've said.
Ozzie looks either too complacent, too domineering, or too dumb this season.  Ozzie ball is pretty much gone away.  Maybe it's regression to the mean in his ability to manage or maybe his newness as a manager is showing.  Regardless, he's shown more ire and frustration this year than I've seen before.

by southsidefan on Jun 14, 2006 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck Ozzie
He's full of himself here.  

by greasywheels121 on Jun 14, 2006 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Tracey
I watched multiple starts by him on MiLB.tv, and his control issues aren't just too many walks.  It's that some pitches aren't even in the vicinity of the strike zone.  I'm talking 30-40 footers that aren't even hitting the line between the mound and home plate.

For Ozzie to demand that he hit Blalock in his third major league appearance, with Tracey knowing fully well that failure will be seen as a direct disobeyance of orders and also a feeling of letting down his new teammates, is just a terrible decision and not even the right pitcher to ask if he must have it done.

Ozzie fucked up big time.  At least his tough-guy, no nonsense persona is still intact.  :/

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by 3E8 on Jun 15, 2006 1:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I know what caused Padilla to hit AJ twice
Michael Barrett is Padilla's brokeback lover. :-p

Seriously, I wonder what Tracey's gonna say to his pals at AAA about Ozzie. Most of the guys know Ozzie but this has to be perceived negatively by minor leaguers despite their hunger to make it "to the show".

Free Ross Gload

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 15, 2006 6:02 AM CDT reply actions  

wow
I saw AJ get plunked twice but I stopped watching the game after that.  I looked at the box score and found it curious that in a 6-0 game, Tracey only pitched 1/3 of an inning.

From not seeing it, my thoughts:

a)  Grow Up, Ozzie:  If AJ doesn't get hit twice, the Sox have nearly half as many baserunners in the game.

b)  Don't have a young pitcher with control problems go in there and be your whipping boy to bean someone.

c)  Sending him down is dumb.  That kind of thing can shatter a kids confidence.  I'm guessing Tracey will be traded.

d)  Padilla isn't very good and he threw 8 shut out innings.  I'd be more angry about that, and the 3rd inning failure of Iguchi, Thome & Konerko more than the two beanings.

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by shaftr on Jun 15, 2006 7:11 AM CDT reply actions  

My thought...
If anyone is at fault here it is Vazquez.  A guy who there have always been rumblings of not being a "team guy" didn't take any opportunity to do the job that Tracey was sent out to do.  In the 6th it was obvious that he was done, it should have been his job to light someone up if that is the intention...if he gets tossed so be it.

A lot of talk on the radio this morning has been that Ozzie most likely was pissed at Vazquez but couldn't give him the same treatment as Tracey.

Sending a kid with that little experience out to throw at someone is ignorant.

Ozzie dressing the kid down in front of the team and then sending him to the minors...for effectivley GETTING AN OUT most likely ruined the kid.  And if not he is likely to be traded where he will probably become a stud in a year or two for some other team.

It also frightens me that the Sox just can't seem to close out any sweeps this year (yes I know they have a few)...They just don't seem to have the same mentality of going out and finishing teams off in that third game.

I love the Sox, and I appreciate Ozzie and everything he did last year and the start of this year...

But something ain't right with this team...and I worry it's far worse than our record indicates.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2006 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Sweeps....
Yeah, last night's lineup had me confused.  I would expect to see it in the fourth game while going for a sweep, instead of the third game to set up the sweep.
Remember last year's Sunday Sweep lineups?  This year isn't too much different (except for the absence of Timo) and it's just as frustrating.
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jun 15, 2006 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I agree...
Not going to get into an extended discussion, but a few quick thoughts:
  1. Ozzie knew retaliation would result in a suspension for himself and whoever threw the pitch, because both benches had been warned.  So, having decided to retaliate in this game(dumb, I agree), who does he need the least?  I think he picked the right guy, the one he only trusts in mop-up roles.
  2. When Tracey couldn't/wouldn't hit Blalock, Ozzie got the red-ass and I don't blame him.  Tracey was brought in for ONE PITCH and either refused his assignment or couldn't complete it.  Cause for demotion?  Maybe, maybe not, but it's Ozzie's decision.  Too bad he can't explain it to us.
I suspect he had some frustrations building the whole game, and since he couldn't throw the entire team under the bus he chose the most expendable.  Crede got the "aggressive" message, I bet the rest of them did too.

Cheat, not saying you're wrong or overreacting.  Also not blindly defending Ozzie (as some are blindly throwing HIM under the bus in this thread), just trying to see other perspectives.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jun 15, 2006 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Terrible
I go to bed early one night, miss the game, and wake up to this?

I agree with Cheat and shaftr, this is ridiculous. It's not how a winning team or organization handles things.

  1. Ozzie's handling of Tracey is criminal. So Tracy failed to hit batter. He has terrible control and was probably worried about nailing Blalock in the head instead of someplace less dangerous. So Ozzie effectively waives the Sox most "big league" arm at AAA out of the organization over this. All the money and development time spent on Tracey is wasted over one at-bat. I hope Tracey makes it in big leagues someplace, and hopefully he'll have a manager that isn't an idiot.
  2. Padilla is obviously "retaliating" for Vazquez hitting so many Rangers in his last start. Either let it go at that, or Vazquez should take care of things himself.
  3. There are significant problems with this team. The 2 holes at the bottom of the lineup and the lack of a set up man are pretty much agreed on. The starting pitchers have not been good this year, outside of Contreras. Garcia, Vazquez, and Garland in particular have been pretty bad (I know, JV has had some decent games, but overall I'm not impressed).
I think a professional, winning team would focus on fixing those problems. Instead of figuring out how to win more games, a rookie pitcher gets thrown under the bus (weakening the bullpen) and now there will a bunch of sound and fury over Ozzie ordering Blalock to get hit.

I wouldn't be upset if Ozzie got suspended over this.
 

by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2006 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I was wrong...
It was the Cleveland start where Vazquez was plunking people. No one got hit in his Texas game.

So why in the world was AJ getting binged? Only thing I can think of is that he lipped off really badly to someone on Texas.

I imagine we'll never know.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2006 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The whole mess gives me a headache
but my greatest concern is the shutout and Vazquez pitching like crap. Good God, I could hit that pitching (well, at least takes some good hacks).

How can that line up just "not hit" on certain days? They make mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young.

Ozzie publicly humiliating Tracey is an embarrassment to the organization.

by tailgater on Jun 15, 2006 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

more
I just read through a few threads at soxtalk and a lot of the points of view just made me ill.

Also, I'm glad I missed Hawk's tirade.  I dislike him enough as it is.  Between Keith Hernandez's "no women in the dugout" and Hawk's discussion of vengeance and I feel that a few jobs should have been loss.

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by shaftr on Jun 15, 2006 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm staying away from soxtalk
The difference in the reactions to an incident like this are just one reason why I like this blog a lot more than any message board.

I'm also going to refrain from listening to sprts radio for a while. Which means now I have to choose between NPR or Rush Limbaugh...just one more negative aspect of this whole situation.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buck Showalter...
is just a douche, so he has to start some sh*t.  I feel bad for A.J., he's a target because other teams know that if they can go after him and actually be looked at as doing a good thing.  Which leads me to the question...

Why do people (I mean the fans of baseball, not W.S. fans) hate A.J. so much?  What has he done to the fans?  I can see how other players dislike him for talking trash, and I know the San Francisco trainer story (which is spectulation from what I understand), but he doesn't seem to do anything to incite the fans (for example, Dennis Rodman talked crazy shit about how bad Salt Lake City and Utah sucked ass, but he was still given a free pass by the majority of fans)  Has he pissed the media off in some way?

The thing is, for the most part A.J. plays the game hard.  I hated him in Minnesota, but in the same way I hate(d) Fernando Vina - he was annoying in that he always seemed to be making a play, or getting a hit at the right time.  

What A.J. needs to do is embrace the character that he has been given.  People love the anti-hero.  Now, I don't want him to comment on everything like fat-ass David Wells, but I would like to see him call Buck Showalter a pussy, and that Michael Barrett was just letting off frustration in that he plays for the lovable losing Cubs, and that Angel fans are a bunch of crybabies.

It just would be nice to see A.J. stick up for himself and tell all of the haters to go f*** themselves.  

     

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 15, 2006 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Bitch, be cool!
"What A.J. needs to do is embrace the character that he has been given"

I disagree. Calling people pussy and generally acting like a child is just going to make people dislike him more. It will give all the more reason to let him be the player people love to hate.

I think the way he handled the Barrett incident was best. With hint of innocence and valor. "When he grabbed me I thought he was going to ask if I was alright." For a guy like A.J., this is the best way to play it. Any way else and he's just going to further play into his asshole persona.

by brookswashere on Jun 15, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point...
"Any way else and he's just going to further play into his asshole persona"

This is exactly what I am saying.  He should play into the asshole persona.  Playing the innocent card is lame.  It makes him seem like a bitch (I think you answered the question as to why other fans don't like him).  If he calls out the people who are hating on him, it makes them feel stupid and bitchlike (which, of course, they are).

There is a difference between calling other players and coaches out and calling the fans out.  Barry Bonds is hated because he has given the fans the finger, A.J. could be embraced if he gives the  players and coaches who are hating on him (i.e. punching him, beaning him) by giving them the finger.  Fans love this type of display, as well, he has the hardware to back his sh*t up.  

 

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 15, 2006 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let'sd shake on it
Alright, I see your point. I mostly agree with you but still don't want to see him turn into some Ricky Henderson hothead.

by brookswashere on Jun 15, 2006 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And
Detroit lost...dang it!

by tailgater on Jun 15, 2006 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Awful from All Angles
Fortunately, I didn't see the game. But from reading the threads on here and listening to the radion this morning, I think these things are true.
  1. Everybody was pretty sure that when AJ got plunked the first time that it wasn't an accident.
  2. A warning should have been issued then. Or Padilla should not have been warned, but ejected, after the plunking in the 4th.
  3. Vazquez should have plunked somebody in the bottom of the 2nd.
  4. Once the benches were warned, Ozzie should have called off any retaliation due to the suspensions he (not so worried about) and the pitcher (3-5 games I think) would have received almost (if not entirely) automatically.
  5. The talk about AJ not being liked or respected enough for his teammates to atone for the beanings is bull. All you need to remember is Pods taking down Barrett and BA doing his best Pedro Martinez-on-Zim on Mabry. This is a Vazquez issue. Tracey tried, but couldn't get it done.
  6. Maybe they thought Tracey's awful control would give plausible deniability when Blalock got plunked. Either way, that's a hell of a situation to put a kid in. And to dress him down in front of the entire team is weak. It ain't easy to hit anyone, especially when you'd like not to maim or kill them by hitting them in the head. How often does a pitcher have a hard time THROWING A STRIKE--in the zone he has been taught to throw to his entire life, let alone at somebody?
  7. People need to start hitting the ball--I mean you, middle of the order--with runners in scoring position. Hitting the ball and driving in runs doesn't allow for these types of situations to get out of hand with a middle of the road guy like Padilla.
  8. I heard that Tracey looked like he was crying on the bench. He knows Ozzie is a hothead. But you can't let 'em see you sweat like that. Go in the clubhouse and throw something. Or scream. Just don't cry.

by Toonderstrook on Jun 15, 2006 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

The Tracey rub-out
Because as we all know, there's no crying in baseball.

by brookswashere on Jun 15, 2006 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come in off the ledge...
I agree completely that Ozzie bawling out the kid because he couldn't hit the guy and then demoting him was stupid.

But come on now. We don't have it because we can't complete sweeps?? Ozzie looks either too complacent, too domineering, or too dumb this season??  Ozzie ball is pretty much gone away??

Are you guys serious? We have the 2nd best record in the AL. We are on pace to win 100 games! In the big picture of the 162 game season this will just be a small blip on the radar.  

by bhoov on Jun 15, 2006 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

...because it's going to be OK
I agree. Though I can understand the reason why people are putting up S.O.S. signals so early.

Just by the numbers, the Sox had a better team last year at this time in most every category (including the most important, wins). And yes, the pitching - arguably the single most important element of last year's season - is iffy at best. So yeah, I'll agree that the Sox team that has played the last 10 games is not better than the Sox team that played in the playoffs last year. I think we can all agree on that.

However, bhoov is right. This is still a damn fine team. Third best in the majors (now that the Mets have taken the title). And we're not even at the All-Star break yet. Honestly, I'd rather see the team struggle a bit at the beginning (if you can even call a .615 win percentage "struggling") then have a near collapse at the end.

I think a lot of Sox fans are still riding the high of how amazingly flawless the Sox played in the post season. I just bought the 7 DVD Playoff box set and watching it reminds me just how perfect they played those last few weeks. But you can't have that all the time. This is still a great team, and even great teams are going to slip once in awhile.

by brookswashere on Jun 15, 2006 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...
Seriously, the way that they went through the playoffs has definately skewed my reality.  Why can't it always be that way, dammit?!?

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 15, 2006 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

How about a return to the Ozzie
we all love and know:

"Every time I see a kid in the clubhouse, I ask whose it is, and it's always Uribe's. Maybe he has 20, I don't know. ... I don't know what kind of kid you're going to be when you're born on 6-6-6. If he's like his dad, he's going to be a problem."
-- Ozzie commenting on Juan Uribe's new child, born June 6

by twoeightnine on Jun 15, 2006 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't keep quiet any longer
I'm usually just a lurker here, but, some of the comments on this thread have motivated me to post today. I'm wondering whether some of you people are watching the same baseball team that I am. The last 3 posts make me feel better in that there is SOME sanity around here, but, the majority of the posters here need to take a step back and come back into the world of reality. I'm calling out every single one of you and you can respond how you see fit.

First of all, I think Ozzie was wrong on all accounts last night. I think a lot of the things he  says and does are swept under the carpet due to the success of the White Sox during his tenure and I believe that these problems will come further into the light once the Sox experience a sub-par season. "because I'm the manager" will only be an acceptable answer while the White Sox are a winning team and I hope he realizes that. I'm using the term acceptable loosely. Having said all of that, Ozzie is a good manager and I think we would be lucky to keep him around for many years to come. Can you honestly name 5 managers in baseball right now who'd you'd rather have running the team? Now, to address some of the unbelievable comments on this thread.

southsidefan. Your comments on Ozzie are baffling. Ozzie isn't coaching a first year team with players that don't fit his style of baseball. He isn't coaching last year's team that was strong and won countless 1 run games even though the Sox couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He's coaching a defending World Series champion that has a better lineup and better starting rotation than a team that won 99 games and went 11-1 in the postseason. To be 40-25 and say that he's regressed is something that I can't even comprehend. I'm sure we'd all like for the Sox to be 65-0 right now, but, that just isn't possible. Be realistic and look at the big picture. Ozzie is managing a different team under completely different circumstances this year and he's doing a fantastic job. He's made a few mistakes and I'll be the first to call him out on those mistakes, but, the bottom line is that the White Sox are one of the top teams, if not the best team, in baseball right now and Ozzie is a big reason for that.

brentbrookhouse. In response to your comment about the Sox not being able to complete a sweep. It sounds like to me that either you don't understand the game of baseball very well or your're choosing to ignore the fact that the schedule is 162 games long. Go ahead and send our A-1 lineup out there for 162 games and then you'll come on here around game number 150 and wonder why the Sox are collapsing down the stretch. There's a reason why the Sox went 11-1 in the postseason last year and closed the year out so strong. They were a rested team because Ozzie knew that to play a 162 game schedule and have a chance in the playoffs, you have to not only give your starters days of rest, you have to give your bench players some reps so they don't get rusty. Sweeps are great, but, 2 out of 3 is the goal with a sweep being a nice bonus to make up for those series where you don't take 2 of 3. As for what you see wrong with this team, I can't see much and I wish you'd fill me in because I see a team that has had either the best or 2nd best record in baseball for most of the year while keeping pace with this year's hot team, the Detroit Tigers. Have some faith and keep things in perspective. The White Sox won 99 games last year with a .611 winning percentage and they're playing .615 ball right now.

hitlesswonder. Where do I even start? Tunnel vision is the reason I would suspect that you're hitless. "the starting pitchers have not been good this year, outside of Contreras" My goodness. I could have sworn we had Mark Buehrle checking in with a 3.21 ERA, but I could be wrong. There have been some rough outings and Garland, Garcia, and Vazquez haven't been world beaters so far, but name ONE pitching staff that you would trade for the one we have. The 5 regulars have 413 innings between them over 63 starts. That's 6.5 innings per start with a combined ERA of around 4.32. That is STRONG. I'd love to see all 5 starters dominate the way they did against the Angels, but, you have to be damn near blind to not see that this is the best pitching staff in MLB right now. The 2nd to last line in your post is the most dumfounding, though. How on earth is a defending World Champion who has had the best or 2nd best record in baseball all year long not a "professional, winning team" ?  As for the "problems" you speak of, there are about 28 other teams around baseball that would love to have the same "problems" that the Sox do right now. Seriously, what were you thinking with that comment? Just how many games do you expect the White Sox to win, anyways?

tailgater. Let me give you a little insight as to why that lineup can just "not hit" on certain days. That lineup faces major league pitching and every once in a while you face a pitcher who is throwing well, guys don't get hits with runners in scoring position and no one is hitting the ball out of the ball park because sometimes major league pitchers just throw the ball well. Did you just start watching baseball recently? If so, I apologize for sounding condascending to someone who is new to baseball. If not, I'm sorry you haven't come to this realization yet. I'm glad I could shed a little light on this amazing phenomenon.

Finally, thndrstrck. Ummm, I'd like to buy a vowel? I can't argue with 1-6 or 8, but, someone like you who obviously knows a thing or 2 about baseball out to know better than to say something like that about the middle of our order. Just tell me you're not talking about Konerko (.304, 17 HR, 49 RBI) Dye (.301, 19 HR, 48 RBI) and Pierzynski (.320, 3 HR, 17 RBI) and I won't call you insane. Otherwise, I think you need to re-evaluate that comment. I'm not even mentioning Thome, Iguchi or Crede, all of whom are having very good seasons so far at the plate. I won't argue that last night's   performance with RISP was pretty ugly, but surely you realize that last night was the exception rather than the rule with this team. We've got 3 guys right (Thome, Konerko, Dye) now who are on pace to easily have over 100 RBI by the end of the year and a 4th (Crede) who is probable to surpass 100. It doesn't get much better than that.

Flame on. I don't hate any of you, but, I'm amazed at the lack of perspective on here and just hope that you're posting out of frustration rather than expressing reasonable opinions.

by cmccarty on Jun 15, 2006 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for bringing #7 to my attention...
...because it made me go back and look at the numbers. You are right...our middle 3 have done a helluva job with guys in scoring position thus far. The comment was really a frustration at giving away that 2nd and 3rd, no out situation last night when we were down 1-0. If Mack gets the piano off his back and if Thome doesn't foul out--but instead we get a couple of runs, the complexion of the game changes, AJ probably doesn't get beaned the second time, Ozzie doesn't have to go Bad MF, Tracey doesn't cry, etc etc. etc.

For the record, Konerko is hitting .364 with men in scoring position, and Thome and Dye are both hitting better than that.

by Toonderstrook on Jun 15, 2006 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent post
reading the comments on this site sometimes does make me wonder about whether people on here have just started following baseball. or if they actually look at the numbers other teams put up in terms of ERA, average, OBP, etc. i sometimes wish i could get these people to watch other teams play a couple games to make them realize how fantastic this team actually is. there is no better team in the AL right now.

by larry on Jun 15, 2006 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true but...
When social psychologists talk about social comparision they usually talk about it in two ways:
  1. Downward Social Comparison is where we compare our own performance with someone who is less capable than we are.  This way allows us to view ourselves more positively and could possibly lead to more happiness, but also has a tendency to induce complacency and lack of motivation towards progression.
  2.  Upward Social Comparison is where we compare our own performance with someone who is more capable than we are.  This way usually causes us to have a less positive view of ourselves, but can enhance and create greater motivation and drive.
With that being said, the way we make social comparisons depends largely on the context and our specific goals within that context.  The question becomes, do we want an accurate assessment of abilities, or do we want to simplly feel good about ourselves?

In the end it's probably most accurate to make social comparisons that are most similar to ourselves.  If our goal is to win the World Series I don't really see how it's helpful to continually compare ourselves with terrible teams.  On the other hand it's sometimes helpful in terms of gaining some perspective and prevent prevailing attitudes from becoming hyper-critical.

Regardless, it's a long season.  We have a good ball club, but they're going to make some mistakes.  We also have some pretty significant issues that need to be rectified, and it's important to be aware of those.  Part of the function of these blogs and boards is to let off steam, yet at the same time I think it's important to keep some perspective.  It's a careful balance that I think this blog has done a great job with so far.

Anyways, the psychology lesson is done.  I hope that made sense.

Go Sox!

by simplesinger on Jun 16, 2006 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also
Whenever you follow a team so closely on a day to day basis, like we do here on this blog, there is a strong tendency to lose perspective. It might be good to remember that under such a large magnifying glass, everything eventually gets burned out.

I think cmccarty's post might help to balance that tendency, and could be a good example of how to step back and enjoy this team a little more.

by simplesinger on Jun 16, 2006 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

In general, I am frustrated
with life, but that's besides the point.

Though I'm not a baseball expert by any stretch of the imagination, I thought a blog was a place to have fun and express opinions...perhaps not.

Anywho...

In my novice opinion, I find it disppointing when the team (especially the 1-6 hitters; I had low expectations for last night's 7-9 hitters) doesn't hit a guy like Padilla. Did he have especially good stuff last night? I guess a 3-hitter would indicate it to be so...it just didn't look overpowering.

To me, it's usually a little more obvious when a guy is dominating a game...like Kenny Rogers last week.

What's especially disappointing is the number of men left on this year and the lack of ability to move runners with 1 out or less. I don't have the stats to back it up, but I'm guessing they aren't doing as well as last year (so far).

As I've been proven wrong over and over again by this team as they pull off multiple-run rallies to win games, I continue to have every confidence in the world that they can repeat...but it's fun to vent once in awhile.

I'll try to be better about keeping my uniformed opinions to myself...HA! RIGHT!

by tailgater on Jun 15, 2006 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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