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Garland does it all and gets bragging rights

The Sox went into today's game having won the first two of the set. With Jon Garland on the bump expectations were low. Still 2 out of 3 would have made me happy.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the park - Garland brought his A+ game.  His line was 8 IP 4 hits 1 run 1 BB 4 ks.  Add a hit, a fielder's choice, 2 runs scored and 2 RBI. It was a nice hit too. Jon deposited an Esteban (our old friend) Yan pitch into the left field stands! Garland looked like the same pitcher he always did. The difference was avoiding the dinger(s).

Meanwhile the Sox offence produced 8 runs on 14 hits with Jim Thome playing first base and Paul Konerko getting Father's Day off.  Rob Mackowiak went 4 for 4. Jermaine Dye had 2 hits including a 3 run shot - #20.

Meanwhile the worst team in the NL is getting pounded again. I guess you can't have everthing.

Next up for the Sox are the Red Birds .

Have a happy Father's Day. I know I will.

Update [2006-6-18 18:5:45 by thewizardsofoz]: Garland's 2-run homer was his first career homer and the first homer by a Sox pitcher in 35 years (Steve Kealey hit that on September 6, 1971, against Minnesota, before the AL adopted the DH rule)!

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expectations were low?
you miss garland's last few games? the box score of the detroit game is harsh on him; he's thrown real well and, against a team like the reds in an NL park, he was going to have a great game.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

comon
The guy who gives up more homers at worse times than anyone on the Sox staff pitching in a hitters park against a tough opposing pitcher. I think I reflected the general sentiment there. Some would have used stronger language than that.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

you have low expectations
for a guy who we win more than half his starts? christ, the people on this board really are harsh, especially if they would use stronger language than that. you have low expectations when charlie haeger is on the mound. you have low expectations when jon rauch/arnie munoz/jon adkins/whatever is your fifth starter. i'm not saying we have contreras-esque expectations when he hits the mound. but low? you and everyone else must be really jaded when a .500 pitcher merits low expectations.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Politte's return on pause
Mark Gonzales:
The White Sox have thrown a curve to reliever Cliff Politte, who might not come off the disabled list Tuesday as planned. The right-hander learned Saturday that he might go to the minor leagues for a two-game rehabilitation assignment.
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by The Wizard on Jun 18, 2006 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think I'm eagerly awaiting cliff's return
Mark Gonzales:
Sending Politte on a rehab assignment ... would allow rookie right-hander Agustin Montero more time in the majors.

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by The Wizard on Jun 18, 2006 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw an Ozzie interview
saying he wasn't sure who we'd send down when Polite came up. I was trying to figure out what the heck that could mean. If not Montero then who? Not Thorton. Not Riske. Not Cotts. Not Jenks. BMac?
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

there was talk
of carrying another pitcher and sending a bench player (gload) down. but i don't think that was particularly serious talk. it's probably just ozzie being ozzie.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that make sense
maybe KW is cooking up another deal.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe?
KW is always cooking up another deal.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes
even ozzie backtracked on this saying something like 'I need a 1st base backup for paulie, I don't want jim to be the backup'
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by The Wizard on Jun 18, 2006 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

found it
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by The Wizard on Jun 19, 2006 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

it can only be montero
I don't think ozzie will send bmac down...

the article says cliff is out of options but may be send down
how come cliff can be send down while he's out of options but thornton can't
I'm not suggesting sending thornton down
just curious...

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by The Wizard on Jun 18, 2006 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure what you mean
by "send down" but you can always send major league players to a minor league team for a rehab assignment without affecting their options. politte wouldn't be "sent down" to charlotte like montero or haeger - it's just rehab.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i should clarify
by "always" i mean almost all the time there's no issue; there can be issues if the player doesn't want to go on a rehab assignment. but only prima donnas cause that kind of trouble.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember when we got thornton?
everything I read was saying 'thornton can't be send down cause he's out of options and would have to be released'
that confused me!

are there time limits in rehab assignments?

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by The Wizard on Jun 18, 2006 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

well
we can't send thornton down. options can be one of the more nebulous things in baseball. it's contract and also in the union agreement. a good rule of thumb is that if the guy has been a steady major leaguer for a while, he can't be sent down. there are also issues regarding how many times a guy can be sent down (the yo-yo issue). someone with more knowledge about this might be more helpful but it's a pretty dry subject.

yeah, there are limits on rehab assignments but they're pretty meaningless in practice. basically, as long as the player and team agree to send the guy on a rehab assignment they could do it many times a season. now, they can't really get around it by sending him on some 90 day rehab assignment but a guy could be sent on multiple rehab assignments during a given season and it would likely be okay.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

and
to clarify the time issue for each rehab assignment what i meant with the 90 day example is that you can't send a guy on a rehab assignment that begins to look more like sending a guy down for an extended period. a plan is usually sketched out for how long a player will spend on a rehab assignment. with politte, it will be two games. the longest rehab assignment i've seen is three weeks and that was with a position player who'd been out for over a year. there is significant flexibility in the system because rehab is individual. i'm guessing there is some sort of time limit in the union contract (like around the three week mark) but i think you can also overcome that time limit if circumstances dictate.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

here
i found a better explanation of options:

A player who is still on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man roster or the disabled list is on an optional assignment to the minor leagues. One of the more complicated matters in baseball, options can be simply explained. A player has three years after he is added to the 40-man roster in which he can be sent to the minors without being removed from the roster, these are option years. An option is used every year such a player is sent down unless the player remains in the minors for less than 10 days in each stint. A player "out-of-options" has exhausted his option years. There are many exceptions to this rule however. If a player has not been on the major-league roster during the season during his career, then he can have a fourth option year. Players with at least five years of major-league experience who haven't been optioned to the minors three times may be optioned to the minors and still remain on the 40-man roster, but must give their permission. A player with three full years of major league service time must pass through waivers in order to be optioned down. Injured players cannot be optioned down.

http://kmbumb.people.wm.edu/roster/glossary.html

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Tigers eagerly awaited Prior's return...
Talk about Dusty putting up limp-ass, weak pitchers against the Ligers.  Great to see that the Cubs come to play against very good teams like St. Louis but look like little leaguers against Jim "Got a Smoke?"  Leyland's team.

by southsidefan on Jun 18, 2006 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

the Cubs are terrible
bottom to top. From the right wing rag that owns the club to the stoners in the bleachers. The absolute dregs of the major leagues.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

now now....
those aren't stoners in the bleachers.... they're frat boy drunks. big difference.

besides, before the cell had ~30k fans a game, it was a fantastic place to get a smoke in and watch some baseball.

by the way, anybody know what the beer goes for over there? just hoping they're getting ripped off more than we are. shirtless dumbasses handing their money away to the beer company that owns their biggest rivals. the irony, it burns....

by thatshortkid on Jun 18, 2006 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
i hear from freddy that it's still a fantastic place to get a smoke in and watch some baseball. he's got better seats than me, though.

by larry on Jun 18, 2006 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hah
well at least we agree on the other more important points of that post. I heard the 'stoner' term recently by one of the big bar owners in the area so I figured I'd toss it out there. I wouldn't know since its been 19 years since I sat in the bleachers.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Swell Swell Feeling
The various areas of the team are finally all playing well together--the starters, the bullpen, and the offense all are holding up their end of the bargain.  I think the team is now "hitting on all cylinders".

I'm most encouraged by the bottom of the order finally pulling its weight.  Of course I knew Uribe wouldn't bat under .200 all season, and that BA couldn't possibly either, but it's one thing to expect good things, another to actually start seeing them.  Uribe is hitting for power again, and when he's right at the plate, that's one thing he brings from the SS position that is rather unique.  I just hope he can continue this hot streak for more than a week or two.

I also have to eat major crow on Matt Thornton and the trade for him.  Out of nowhere, he's become a reliable reliever, heck, he's even at times been a dominant reliever.  The bullpen is looking much spiffier these days with him, BMAC, and Cotts all good options before Jenks.  Montero and Riske can be used as mopup guys and gain confidence for the stretch run and/or playoffs.

I predicted 93 wins from this team before the season, but I might have to up my prediction.  They've had amazing production from Dye, Kong, and Thome, no major injuries, and the front of the staff is really dominating while Garcia, Vasquez, and Garland are holding their own. With the now solid bullpen, I don't think 98 victories is out of the question, and anything less than 95 probably will be a disapointment is their health holds up.

And their run differential is now 2nd only to the Tigers.  They've recently passed both the Mets and Yankees in Pythag expected wins.

This team isn't getting by on "lucky" one run games this season, they're blowing people out.  I like it.

by madvillian on Jun 18, 2006 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Riske is going to be a mop up guy?
Take a look at his career numbers, including K/9, and compare them to BMac's. I don't think Riske is going to be mopping up anything.

by Toonderstrook on Jun 19, 2006 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

luck, shmuck
Perhaps a few of the wins we had last year were of the "man we cheated fate" variety but I think the toughness, excitement, and belief that Ozzie brought to the team made them better than average when it came to late-inning situations.  Not to mention the wonderful job the bullpen did.  There's a difference between "clutch" and "lucky" -- a team's (or player's) ability to perform well in tight situations consistently is often a direct reflection on the team's (or player's) mental toughness.  I think that was well reflected in the playoffs.

But yes, the "all cylanders" Sox that humiliate other teams is a little more comforting.

Ozzie has gotten some criticism for his constantly changing lineups but it should only help our regulars during the dog days (last year we had some struggles around then) and into September.  Moreover, I'd love to see how our bench numbers stack up against other teams'.  We know who the starters are, that's not the issue.  But everyone has been a hero multiple times now, and that should only help us in future late-inning situations, particularly in the playoffs.

I don't care if we get 91 or 101 wins, I just want us to win the division and 3 postseason series.

by jakester on Jun 18, 2006 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm inclined to sorta agree
This is a rather never ending and nuanced argument we're getting into--regarding luck's role versus "clutch" and "mental toughness"--in close ball games.

Still, I'll try and argue one point.

"Clutch", i.e. the ability to hit with say--RISP, or in close ballgames or late in the game--has neven been proven a repeatable stat.  That is, nobody is "clutch"--they are just lucky.  

I do have a hard time accepting this, and it seems that I'm naturally inclined to want to believe certain players are "clutch".  I want Jose Contreras to buckle down in big games; I want Joe Crede to hit walk off home runs.  When I see them do those things, I know have empirical evidence that they are fulfilling the definition of "clutch".

Thing is though, those players might just be good on average--so of course they're more likely to come through in the "clutch" than other guys.  It's just I forget the times they don't because they aren't as memorable.

That's my Sunday evening 11 PM explanation anyways.

by madvillian on Jun 18, 2006 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clutchiness
I think you are correct.  We celebrate clutch performances and want them to be a repeateable skill, even if they are not.  The fact is that all the evidence we have so far shows that there is no player who is more likely to perform in the clutch than he is at any other time.  Small sample size, normal performance variation and all the other cold indicators explain the clutch performances we see.  

There is a great illustration of that from Captain Clutch himself, Derek Jeter.  Jeter is probably the most celebrated post-season player of his generation and is universally praised for his awesome clutchy performances.  His post-season averages, in 462 abs over 115 games, are an excellent .307/.379/.463.

Of course, Jeter's regular season numbers are a nearly identical .314/.386/.461.  He's not clutch.  He's just good.

by Landfill on Jun 19, 2006 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

A-Rod
Lets look at A-Rod's Postseason #s:
.305/.393/.534

What a choker!

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by shaftr on Jun 19, 2006 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

A-Rod
What are his #'s in the playoffs with RISP?

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 19, 2006 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not so good
He's 4-24 with a double.  167/200/208

However, Captain Hero Jeter has had plenty more chances and is just 17-73 with two doubles, one triple and one homer.  233/356/329.  Willie Harris numbers.

by Bull Pain on Jun 19, 2006 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

More A-Rod
First, does anybody know the best website for baseball statistics?  I know www.baseball-reference.com is good, but it doesn't have the RISP split I'm looking for.  

Anyways...A-Rod has 16 RBI's in 31 post-season games.  This translates to around 85 RBI's during the season, which is much lower than A-Rod's average per season (111 or so).  Therefore, I think that A-Rod's label as choker is fair.

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 19, 2006 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

rbis in a small sample size
Looking at RBIs in a small sample size is silly.  By your logic, Jeter's postseason stats translates to 66 RBIs over an entire season, which is lower than his season average (81).

Looking at postseason stats is difficult since the size of the sample is so small.  My point is that Jeter is Captain Clutch and A-Rod is a choker, yet their playoff statistics are about the same, with an edge to A Rod.

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by shaftr on Jun 19, 2006 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is...
I think that the small sample size is exactly what explains the clutchability of the player.  Because there are so few opps., and these opps. are so important, what a player does during this time gives them the clutch cred. (Joe Crede, you are a Golden God!!!)    

However, RBI's are not the best statistic to use because it strongly depends on whether or not there are runners on base.  So, the RISP information is a much better indicator.  Either way, I would say that Bernie Williams is probably the most clutch on the Yankees (I haven't looked at the stats, just going on memory), and Jeter's clutchness involves his defensive plays which of course, we really have no way of measuring.  And A-Rod, well, here's A-Rod at his best...

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by DeeDubs24 on Jun 19, 2006 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

ehhhh...
To say that the "small sample size explains the clutchability of a player" is to go headfirst against any reliable scientific (statisitical) way of thinking.  Furthermore, RBI is a terrible measure of a player's ability, and extrapolating theoretical 'full season' stats is even worse.  Not only are RBIs almost wholly dependent on other batters, but the quality of pitching in a postseason team is very likely to be much better than the average regular season team.
Also there are (admittedly flawed) ways of measuring Jeter's defense.  And, long story short, it has wavered between mediocre and horrendous (undeserved Gold Glove aside).
The idea of a 'clutch player' definitely adds to excitement, and those 'clutch moments' will stay with us forever, but that doesn't tell us anything about the reality.

by generico12 on Jun 19, 2006 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

its small consolation for a Tiger sweep
but I recomend checking Al's Flub game recap. Pretty damn funny.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 18, 2006 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Quick couple of thoughts
Just got back from Cincy, and I'm about to head up to Milwaukee.  I'll have a diary up tomorrow in the evening, but for now...
  • Really impressed with the Sox pitching this weekend.  Contreras was better than his line indicated on Saturday, Freddy was good enough on Friday, and Garland killed some worms today while thoroughly dominating.  Specifically, our pitching shut down Ken Griffey and Adam Dunn this weekend, the two guys I feared most.
  • I know we harp on this a lot, but it still needs to be said -- Podsednik is really bad at reading the ball off the bat.  I believe it was Austin Kearns who, on Saturday, hit a two-run blooper late in the game into short left-center field.  I was sitting right behind homeplate, so I had a real good view of the whole field, and saw the play unfold before my eyes.  Podsednik not only took TWO steps backward -- after he took those steps backward, he paused for ANOTHER second before he finally figured out that the ball wasn't hit far.  Absolutely BRUTAL defensive play there.
  • Guillen made two really questionable decisions this weekend.  The first being, in the ninth inning on Saturday, making a double switch AFTER the Sox had batted in top of the inning, putting Mackowiak in center for Anderson.  There was no need for that move at all; you put your best defensive group out there.
His second bad decision was calling for the Uribe squeeze in today's game.  The guy is absolutely SMOKING the ball all weekend, and he's calling for a squeeze?!?!  Ugh...
  • Now that I got my bitching out of the way, Great American Ballpark is beautiful.  It sits right on the Ohio (I think) River, the view outside the RF wall is spectacular.  The sitelines themselves in the stadium are great, as every seat is tilted towards homeplate.
  • Well done, Sox fans.  For every game, there was a large contingent of White Sox fans.  We got some "Let's Go White Sox" chants started, and even a couple of "Nah nah nah nahs".
  • To make a long story short, I got a ball from Bobby Jenks while standing in the first row of the LF upperdeck (or, where Jermaine hit his homer) during BP on Friday.  It was really, really awesome.  I wasn't even calling for it; everybody in the bleachers below us was, and he pointed to me, and I made one helluva snag. : D

by CWSKeith on Jun 18, 2006 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Pods' Defense
Is it just me or does Pods seem substantially worse defensively this season than he did last?  I know that last year he took a few noteworthy bad routes, but on balance I thought he was a very good LF and the fielding stats bore that out.  This season, he's been dreadful.  The fact that Guillen has been substituing Mackowiak in LF for late game defense speaks volumes.  Anyone have easy access to the numbers on his defensive performance?  

Congratulations on the Jenks' ball.  I'm assuming you were decked out in Sox regalia and that's why he threw to you?

by Landfill on Jun 19, 2006 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mack v Pods
I assumed Mack was playing left late becasue his arm is so much better.
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by zokmaad on Jun 19, 2006 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Off topic - A.J.'s arm
Did anyone see "The Final Word" on Fox last night?

When I saw A.J. get drilled those 2 times, I thought, "Sure, it must hurt, but he's got that body armor on, how bad can it be?"

During his TV interview last night, A.J. showed the back of his right arm where he got hit. It was a disgusting black and blue from his elbow up to just below his shoulder. How he didn't go out and clobber Padilla, I'll never know. Let's just say he showed great restraint. He also explained that he knew he couldn't afford a suspension, so he kept his temper in check.

Hmm, is this the ravings of a punk? The guy all other ball players hate? Sounds like an extremely reasonable guy to me.

by tailgater on Jun 19, 2006 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

speaking of AJ
Again on the score today, they were talking how AJ should be AL MVP.  I like AJ, but he isn't
a) Best Catcher in the AL
b) Best Player on the team
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by shaftr on Jun 19, 2006 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
Calls a good game, but not much of an arm. Good bat so far this year.

Want an MVP? A clutch guy? Jermaine Dye is your guy. He doesn't get the pub because he just goes about his business, staying out of the spotlight.

by tailgater on Jun 19, 2006 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and get's the job done....
when you need it the most !   Very timely hitter with the game on the line.

by DickdaStick on Jun 19, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw it too
I didn't expect such a bruise with all that padding...
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by The Wizard on Jun 19, 2006 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I am 99% sure
"something" will happen when the Rangers next visit our house.

by tailgater on Jun 19, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pods FPct slipping downward
Monday, June 19, 2006 print this page

  Scott Podsednik OF    
 Go to Player Bio >>  
 CAREER STATS | SPLITS | GAME BY GAME LOG | HITTING CHART | POSTSEASON & ALL-STAR  

  Fielding Stats:  

 SEASON  TEAM  POS  G  GS  INN  TC  PO  A  E  DP  PB  SB  CS  RF  FPCT
2001     Seattle Mariners OF 5 1 18.0 3 3 0 0 0 --- --- --- 1.50 1.000
2002     Seattle Mariners OF 11 3 51.0 16 15 0 1 0 --- --- --- 2.65 .938
2003     Milwaukee Brewers OF 139 130 1191.0 353 345 5 3 1 --- --- --- 2.64 .992
2004     Milwaukee Brewers OF 153 152 1361.0 401 392 5 4 2 --- --- --- 2.63 .990
2005     Chicago White Sox OF 127 124 1116.2 280 274 3 3 1 --- --- --- 2.23 .989
2006     Chicago White Sox OF 61 57 501.0 115 108 1 6 0 --- --- --- 1.96 .948

Career Totals 496 467 4238.2 1168 1137 14 17 4 --- --- --- 2.44 .985

This doesn't tell everything  -  but it's hard to believe he was a cf at one time.   He looks tentative out there and afraid of the wall. No Rowand here.

by DickdaStick on Jun 19, 2006 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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