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White Sox vs. Rangers -- Garland vs. Loe

Jon Garland (4-2, 6.25) vs. Kameron Loe (3-5, 4.48)

This is easily the biggest start of Jon Garland's season -- as long as his ERA stays elevated, they're all going to be big starts -- but this one carries some extra weight because Texas is a team against whom Garland has never fared well and can hit some homeruns. Current Rangers have a combined OPS of 1.000 against Garland, and Kevin Mench (only .125/.222/.500) always takes long at-bats and seems inches away from a HR.

I'd love to see the best defense possible on the field behind a guy who relies on his defense more than any other Sox starter, but I fear we'll see Mackowiak in center against the righty and maybe Widger behind the plate for an ailing Pierzynski. Widger has caught only three starts this season in which the White Sox starting pitcher has allowed 3 or fewer runs. Those starts were against the Royals (twice) and the Cubs, who just so happen to be the two lowest scoring teams in baseball.

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Prove us wrong Garland...
Definitely don't have a good feeling about this one.

by hiphopnerd on Jun 2, 2006 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

What I would give to be winning games 3-1
again.  Game prediction:

Texas - 7
White Sox - 5

by chrome on Jun 2, 2006 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Lineup
Pods, LF
Iguchi, 2B
Thome, DH
Kong, 1B
Dye, RF
AJ, C
Crede, 3B
Uribe, SS
Anderson, CF

GO SOX!

HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Hooray!
For Anderson and Pierzynski! I'm starting to feel better about this game.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more Hoorays
Thome is day-to-day with a tweaked groin.

Gload at 1B, Konerko at DH.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

detailed (no thome?)
Jon Garland (4-2, 6.25, 33, 14, 1.53) vs. Kameron Loe (3-5, 4.48, 28, 18, 1.49)  [Throws, W-L, ERA, K, BB, WHIP]

Time 7:35 p.m., TV: CSN+ (CLTV), Radio: WSCR-AM 670

Good Guys:

    Name    AVG    HR    RBI    SB

  1. S Podsednik, LF    .271    1    14    20
  2. T Iguchi, 2B    .290    6    23    4
  3. A Pierzynski, C    .325    2    13    0
  4. P Konerko, DH    .291    15    41    0
  5. J Dye, RF    .301    16    41    3
  6. J Crede, 3B    .296    8    33    0
  7. R Gload, 1B    .148    0    2    1
  8. J Uribe, SS    .208    4    17    0
  9. B Anderson, CF    .164    4    11    2
Bad Guys:

    Name    AVG    HR    RBI    SB

  1. G Matthews Jr., CF    .308    5    24    2
  2. M Young, SS    .313    3    33    3
  3. M Teixeira, 1B    .284    6    25    0
  4. H Blalock, 3B    .310    8    38    1
  5. K Mench, RF    .305    10    30    0
  6. B Wilkerson, LF    .257    10    24    2
  7. R Barajas, C    .234    4    16    0
  8. J Botts, DH    .385    1    3    0
  9. I Kinsler, 2B    .390    3    6    0
GO SOX!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tell ya
what deal can KW make to get us some decent help that does not involve either-
BMAC
JD
JU
TI
JC
MB
FG?
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jun 2, 2006 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Fields and Heager are putting up some numbers
Keep rooting for that...

One of the AA pitching trio is expendable too. I'd like to hold onto guys who are just starting to come into their own, Harrell and Cunningham for example.

I'd say our trading stock is Fields, Haeger, Tracey, Broadway/Liotta/Lumsden. Fields is our biggest chip, I'd expect a serious haul with him. 3-way deal with SD and someone else perhaps.

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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Rogo?
Does Rogowski have any trade value?  Or is his lack of power at 1B killing his big league chances?

by Ryno on Jun 2, 2006 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tons of teams have guys like him
I suppose he's got the same value as Tracey, which is to say, not that much. The main thing they've got going for them is they're close to the majors.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fields and Adam Dunn
I thought it would be interesting to compare how the two of them performed in AAA. I'm not saying Fields is going to be anywhere near as good...just that it's an interesting comparison, even in a very small sample size.

Adam Dunn AAA (age 21)
AB  210
OBP .434
AVG .329
SLG .676 (!)
SO  51 (24% rate)

Josh Fields AAA (age 23)
AB  172
OBP .426
AVG .331
SLG .593
SO  53 (30% rate)

Dunn was called up to the bigs after posting the above numbers and rang up a .950 OPS in CIN.

Fields' doesn't have Dunn-like power (and Fields plays in CHA, so his SLG is probably inflated), and the strike out rate is pretty worrisome. On the other hand, Dunn wasn't a 3B. If Fields can keep this going for another 100 ABs, I'll be pretty impressed. And I would expect a quality return for him in a trade.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 2, 2006 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

K/BB ratio
That's all I'd be watching at this point. Even in the minors, Dunn approached 1:1. If Fields is going to K as much as Dunn (and currently he's K'ing more often), he's going to hit for around the same average for Dunn in the Majors. In order for that to be useful, he needs to add the discipline, along with the power.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheat
Don't know if you saw this list.  According to Baseball America, White Sox only signed the two guys out of Broward CC

CHICAGO (AL)
Christian Marrero, of, Broward (Fla.) CC, 22nd round
Daniel Jordan, c, Broward (Fla.) CC, 27th round

by the wimperoo on Jun 2, 2006 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

That sucks ass
Signing those three names I brought up should have been a top priority. Signing them ahead of the impending draft is like getting 3 extra top 4th-10th round picks. That's a great draft loophole, not exploiting it is one of those small things that hurts a franchise long term....

All 3 of those players are eligible to be drafted again this year, and the Sox have a history of picking guys they had already selected. So expect them to draft one or two of them trying to get them to sign before they enroll in classes. I know Flores had committed to ASU, and Garcia to Miami.

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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
I'm just hoping somehow that isn't the full list.

by the wimperoo on Jun 2, 2006 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh My God...
...The "A" Team!

Let's go boys! How about a Sox 14, Texas 9 slugfest!

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2006 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Thome
Late scratch with a groin injury.  Gload to the 7 hole at 1B.  Paulie at DH.  Poop.

by Bull Pain on Jun 2, 2006 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sit back, relax, and strap it down
white sox baseball coming your way!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

runners on the corners!
bring them in jermaine!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

damn leadoff walk...
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Garland
Batters are slugging over .580 against him this year.  He's brutal.

by Bull Pain on Jun 2, 2006 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it possible...
To vote for B.Anderson for all 3 outfield positions for the All-Star game?

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd really like to know what the thinking was
having AJ bat third. He's terrible with RISP. Was Ozzie making sure we'd get shutout tonight?
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

sacks packed with sox!
slam it ross!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

my man, ross!
since when did the sox become the slowest team in the bigs?
Free Ross Gload

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 2, 2006 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

tied!
your turn BA!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

3-2!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow
3 runs on some ugly hitting
Free Ross Gload

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 2, 2006 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

too young for winning ugly?
i'll take runs where we can get them right now.

by larry on Jun 2, 2006 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I rememeber that year well even though I was 11
I remember Julio scoring on a sacfly from Baines to win the division in '83, when my fav player was the Dyber, and Ron from Gary won the Rook of the Year
Hoyt, Dot, Koosman, Bannie, and Trout (who pitched an even better 1-0 loss than Garcia and Santana) were awesome and the Bull had the Roofshots...Rudy stole the bases, and Leyland was the 3rd base coach
I remember it well...and of course, the man, the myth, the legend, the original "pudge" was behind the plate with Spanky as his back up  
Free Ross Gload

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 2, 2006 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was Britt Burns with the 1-0 loss
Trout left the Sox the year before to go to the Cubs I think
my bad
Free Ross Gload

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 2, 2006 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

will AJ strand another runner?
you betcha!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

JD!
come through joe!
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

YOOOOOUUUK!!!
We heart the Greek God of Walks tonight!

by CWSKeith on Jun 2, 2006 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

btw
bos 3, det 2, final
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

also
laa 10, cle 3, final

but we lost 3...

HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

nelson in
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

this bullpen sucks
a lot...
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Nelson
is beyond washed up.  He needs to go.

by Bull Pain on Jun 2, 2006 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Sean Tracey?
Javier Lopez?  Tyler Lumsden?  Lance Broadway?  Buehler?  Buehler?

by CWSKeith on Jun 2, 2006 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

you forgot boone
:p
HEY THIS IS JI
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2006 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

has anyone seen?...
...someone come in from the pen and NOT let in a run in the last two weeks?

by solbro on Jun 2, 2006 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Sunday in the 11-0 win
Thornton  came in with runners on 1st and 2nd with 0 outs, and got out of it, and then pitched a scoreless next inning.

But i know what you mean, i dont think you were serious.

by MrBananaHammock7 on Jun 2, 2006 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

late innings
good to see we'll have our premier defensive cf on the bench for an infielder.
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by shaftr on Jun 2, 2006 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It's the right move
There's no such thing as a productive out with 2 outs.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree
I think having your best defensive CFer in a tie game in the late innings is more important than upgrading from a bad bad to average bat for one at bat in the 8th with 2 outs and a runner on.
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by shaftr on Jun 2, 2006 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're a double away from icing the game
you're best CFer hasn't hit one of those since the first week of the season. Ozzie used BA properly tonight. He played him for as long as he could until the situation forced his hand.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand by my statement
We need better pitch selection. First pitch fastballs to Jacque Jones and Gary Matthews Jr. is not a good idea. These are players who went to he Pedro Cerrano school of hitting.
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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats fine
I stand by mine.
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by shaftr on Jun 2, 2006 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've walked 4 guys
3 have scored within 5 pitches.

by Bull Pain on Jun 2, 2006 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

How many...
games have we lost because BA wasn't in center?

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Didn't see the play...
Would BA have gotten to the ball Matthews Jr. hit?

by hitlesswonder on Jun 2, 2006 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a tough play...
but I think BA would have gotten it.

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

...yeah, and lost the game...
with yet another K at the plate

by solbro on Jun 2, 2006 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mack
lost the game.  He didn't get a hit OR make the catch.  We would still be playing with BA in the game.

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mack
sucks in Center.  S-U-C-K-S.  Give BA a chance to succeed at the plate.

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

ball
I'm not saying BA gets it, but I'm saying that when it is in the air I think he has a shot at it.  With Mack, I knew it was a run scored.
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by shaftr on Jun 2, 2006 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many...
...have we lost with him whiffing at the plate?  Or failing to advance a man?  He can't even get the ball out of the infield.

by solbro on Jun 2, 2006 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't think of any
You're welcome to correct me though.

Mackowiaks cost us about 7 runs defensively in the last 2 weeks though. Can you say that he's provided that many runs?

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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

we will never see eye-to-eye on this...
you love BA's glove.  I think he's an automatic out.  I'd trade for Corey Patterson in a heartbeat.

by solbro on Jun 2, 2006 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's hilarious
because you would have hated Patterson for the last 5 years. He posted a .254 OBP last season, that's less than Anderson's right now. I actually brought Patterson's name up this off-season, before we acquired Mackowiak. I thought he was underrated in that too many people were focused on what he couldn't do, not all the good things he brought to the table. I thought that he would provide a nice platoon partner for Anderson and maybe be a fall back should Anderson falter.

The fact is, whenever Brian has come up with the game on the line, he's come through. He has a small bit of clutch. Yes, he's not hitting, but he's not making outs at nearly the rate you're making it out to be.

The "offensive upgrade" to mackowiak is about one extra out every third game. That's not much. When you need a hit, like we did tonight, Mackowiak's your guy. But Anderson doesn't make nearly as many outs as you claim.

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2006 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe it's subjective...
...but in '05, even with Everett, I felt everyone in the line-up had a shot at getting on base or driving in a run or advancing a man.  BA is the void at the bottom of the order.  Tell me you don't think he's an  'out' every time he comes up?  That's infectious.  His teammates must feel it, too.  You condition yourself to think around him.  Thant's not the way it should be.  Even Uribe at .208 has a chance.

You'd love this year's Patterson in CF.  Numbers don't lie.

by solbro on Jun 3, 2006 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

patterson
isn't coming back to chicago. ever. he's not an idiot.

by larry on Jun 3, 2006 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's on a losing team...
...with a one-year deal.  Playing for a potential playoff team w/a W.S. championship can go along way to stem ill feelings.

by solbro on Jun 3, 2006 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody else feeling this way?
Need to take a week or two off from the team?

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Konerko
Does he take lessons from Cintron?

What a bunch of fucking bullshit choking motherfuckers.

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by The Cheat on Jun 2, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
reminds me of the White Sox pre 2005.

by DeeDubs24 on Jun 2, 2006 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Deserved Loss
We just aren't very good right now.  The AL is very tough this year.  We're going to struggle to make the playoffs again.

by Bull Pain on Jun 2, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Bullpen
continues to be bad.  Nelson is washed up.  It was worth a shot, but he's on empty.

by the wimperoo on Jun 2, 2006 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

This team...
...is a sack of shit.

by solbro on Jun 2, 2006 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

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