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Off-day Game Thread: Twins @ Indians

Because writing a diary sure beats digging through other people's old code....

Bonser (R, 5-5, 4.50) vs. Lee (L, 12-10, 4.53) [Throws, W-L, ERA]

Lineups below the fold.

Star-divide

"Bad" Guys:
Order, LName, Posn    AVG

  1. Castillo, 2B        .291
  2. Punto, 3B        .296
  3. Mauer, C        .348
  4. Cuddyer, RF        .277
  5. Morneau, 1B        .325
  6. Hunter, CF        .272
  7. White, LF        .225
  8. Nevin, DH        .245
  9. Bartlett, SS        .327
"Good" Guys:
Order, LName, Posn    AVG
  1. Sizemore, CF        .292
  2. Michaels, DH        .274
  3. Martinez, C        .309
  4. Garko, 1B        .316
  5. Choo, LF        .287
  6. Blake, RF        .290
  7. Peralta, SS        .257
  8. Inglett, 2B        .269
  9. Marte, 3B        .227
GO CRACKERS!

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Nope
According to ESPN.com, Phillies and Braves on ESPN2
GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's go Tribe!
Martinez single, 1-0!
GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 6:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Cliff Lee is the new Houdini
although pitch count at 59 pitches through 2 innings.
GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 6:48 PM CDT   0 recs

That's bad news.
Minny's bullpen is light years better than Cleveland's.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 14, 2006 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And it just got worse
Cliff Lee up to 81 pitches through 3 innings
GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 7:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee's PC - 102 through 4
has only given up 1 run though

I wish these Sabathians would get something going against the one called "Boof".

GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 7:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Cheat called it
The Tribe's bullpen is for shit.

by Ryno on Sep 14, 2006 8:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Four/Four
Indians just put three up in the bottom of the sixth.

by defensive indifference on Sep 14, 2006 8:48 PM CDT   0 recs

An the bullpen promptly gives it right back
now 8-4

Rondell White having the game of his life

GO SOX!

by rhythm on Sep 14, 2006 9:14 PM CDT   0 recs

The score
doesn't even begin to describe the pasting that's taking place here...

Cleveland has used 8 pitchers, and I'm sure Wedgie will need at least one more in the 9th.

Meahwhile, Minnesota has left 15 men on base in 8 innings, almost 2 per inning.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 14, 2006 9:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Volatility
Yes, a bad bullpen can really hurt.  But do you remember how Cleveland's bullpen was such a strong suit last year?  This year, its a mess.

2005  2.80 ERA  1.13 WHIP  446 IP
2006  4.81 ERA  1.46 WHIP  379 IP

In '05, they got great innings from Wickman, Cabrera, Miller, Rhodes, Howry, Betancourt and Riske.  In '06 Wickman and Betancourt reverted to their norms, Cabrera stinks, Miller has hardly pitched and Rhodes, Howry and Riske are all gone.  You can see that kind of volatility in our pen also.  Last year our best relievers (by ERA) were Cotts, Hermanson and Politte.  We all know how that turned out this year.  Bullpens are fragile creatures.  An organization needs perception, guts and luck to be good in relief for a sustained run of years.  

I have this vague theory that the place where managers and coaches can have the biggest impact is in the care and feeding of the pen.  I don't think it was an accident that the Braves had great pens all those years, even though they hardly ever had a Proven Closer (tm).  I don't think its an accident when bad managers like Larry Bowa or Kevin Kennedy end up with crappy pens.  I think Williams has worked very hard this year to give the Sox a solid pen, but I think it is still an open question whether Guillen, Cooper and Williams are good enough to allow the Sox to be consistently excellent at this difficult task.

by Landfill on Sep 15, 2006 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder how much the starters effect
the bullpen stats.  The better your starters, the better your pen looks?
Just.Win.

by hawksview on Sep 15, 2006 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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