Additions to the 40 (and one subtraction)

by Jim in Maine on Nov 20, 2007 4:08 PM CST

The Chicago White Sox have designated outfielder Scott Podsednik for assignment and have purchased the contracts of catcher Cole Armstrong and right-handed pitchers Jack Egbert, Lucas Harrell and Adam Russell. ... With the moves, the White Sox 40-man roster is at 40.

It is defintely time to bid a fond farewell to Pods ... appreciate his efforts on the 2005 team but his value to the team is now null. He brings little that Jerry Owens doesn't offer: low OBP, no power, speed to burn - and Owens is cheaper.

Egbert and Russell were to be expected. Both should see time in the major leagues in 2008 with Egbert starting and Russell in the pen.

Harrell and Armstrong surprise me and I'm not sure they will survive the roster turnover that should continue with more trades. I really thought they would add Fernando Hernandez instead of Harrell and they may now lose Hernandez via the rule V draft.

The subtraction was good and necessary. The additions of Egbert and Russell were also. I am puzzled and a bit dismayed by the addition of Harrell or Armstrong over Fernando Hernandez.

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So ...

if we're letting Pods go for nothing now, why didn't Kenny get anything from the Cubs for him last year?

by Ryno on Nov 20, 2007 4:19 PM CST reply actions

Did the Cubs want him?

I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell

by chisox on Nov 20, 2007 4:23 PM CST up reply actions

they claimed him

we could have at least gotten the waiver fee. and saved his salary.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, there were a few of us

honked off we had to eat the salary. Nice. What was it, $800K?

Fer Chrissakes. As our own former Sen. Everett Dirksen said, "A billion $ here, a billion $ there, pretty soon you're talking real money."

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 20, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions

I know it makes sense...

from a numbers perspective to give him up, but there are 2 other ways to look at it.

Fans. Obviously there are still fans who see him as the "cutie" who hit a walk-off in the home-run and have no clue what OPS even is. Those fans, already upset by a horribly disappointing season, need to be placated to some degree, even if in small increments. Or in this case, not pissed off further.
Potential Free Agents. From what I have seen and read, Kenny and Ozzie have created an environment that makes players happy. If the Sox were to unceremoniously dump Pods while taking nothing in return, effectively embarassing him publicly, it could be a move that makes current Sox players a little ticked, but more importantly, it could hurt their status among potential free agents. While nobody is going to 2-3 mil less a year just because they think Sox management are nice guys, I think the Sox treatment of players has put them in good position to land someone given similar offers.

Are these 2 factors worth 800k in payroll? Who knows? But it is something to consider before damning the move.

All that being said, I think it was a mistake to keep him last year and I am glad the Sox aren't wasting money on Pods any longer.

by CatBrains on Nov 21, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

That was the hot rumor last August

It was discussed here back then. The general sentiment seemed to be, "If the Cubs offer a two pennies and a ball of lint, pounce!"

by Ryno on Nov 20, 2007 4:27 PM CST up reply actions

i stand corrected

hot fact, not rumor. thanks larry.

by Ryno on Nov 20, 2007 4:28 PM CST up reply actions

are they blind?

why was fernando hernandez left unprotected? didn't they watch his AFL games?

why?

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 4:32 PM CST reply actions

Who?

The forty ninth round pick. He has some decent numbers but is his stuff ant good?

I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell

by chisox on Nov 20, 2007 4:36 PM CST up reply actions

who cares about where he was drafted?

wasn't Buehrle a 38th round pick?

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Just saying

I never heard of anybody on this blog touting him as anything special. Anyway Rule 5 isn't what it use to be. For the most part teams see it as a waist of time. I don't thing we'll loose him, unless he throws in the mid 90's. I'm sure he'll be protected in the AAA phase of the draft

I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell

by chisox on Nov 20, 2007 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

Ummm, no...

Johan Santana, Scott Podsednik, Derrick Turnbow, Willy Taveras, Dan Uggla, Shane Victorino, Josh Hamilton -- all Rule 5 draft picks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 5:41 PM CST up reply actions

re

here and here

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions

and then we complain about our bullpen...

84/23 K/BB in 85 IP in Birmingham...

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 4:38 PM CST up reply actions

40-man roster

carlos vasquez, donny lucy, alex cintron, andy gonzalez

why are these clowns there and not FH?

dammit...

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 4:55 PM CST up reply actions

you're certainly getting worked up over this

aren't you.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

yes

I demand answers!

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions

here it is

to remove a player from the 40, they need to be DFAed. all those players you mentioned would be claimed on waivers. we can argue about whether that's a bad thing but losing one of those players is a far surer thing than some team claiming a player like hernandez and putting them on their active roster for the whole year.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions

seriously?

you'd take carlos vasquez over fernando hernandez?

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

who is taking anyone?

i couldn't care less between them. i just know i'm not releasing vasquez. if you want to complain, complain about armstrong - i realize there's a dearth of catchers out there but i highly doubt anyone would pick him. don't complain about the guys already on the 40.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 5:33 PM CST up reply actions

ok

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 5:38 PM CST up reply actions

aren't you afraid though

that if someone takes them and leaves them on their roster for the entire season, this will harm their development?

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 5:43 PM CST up reply actions

frankly

i don't much care about what happens to players not on our team.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

come'on larry

that's a silly response

he's 22, he posted a 4/1 k/bb in AA, and we may be giving them away

the guy is on our team now

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 7:21 PM CST up reply actions

huh?

again, if he's on someone else's team, i don't care. that's what your question asked. i'm not seeing how it's silly to not care about the development of someone else's players.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 7:49 PM CST up reply actions

re

if he's on someone else's team, i don't care

he is not on someone else's team

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 7:53 PM CST up reply actions

then ask a question that relates to that

i'm a lawyer. i don't generally answer questions that aren't asked. for example, don't ask me if i have the time if you want to know what time it is. or, don't ask me whether i care about the development of a player after they've left our team if you want to know whether i care about their development when they are on our team.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 8:28 PM CST up reply actions

I did

here's the question I asked: aren't you afraid though that if someone takes them and leaves them on their roster for the entire season, this will harm their development?

when I wrote "if someone takes them," the "them" is white sox players

the thread is about fernando hernandez, if I wanted to talk about players in other teams I'd have qualify it

the guy is on our team at this moment, if someone picks him up, puts him on his mlb roster, and screws his development, then this is a lost opportunity for our team

he can become a valuable piece of our bullpen but not if we allow someone to pick him and destroy his development

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 8:54 PM CST up reply actions

i'm not going to parse your words again

what you think you asked and what you did ask are two different things.

i'm having a real hard time figuring out the ruckus over what amounts to who should be the 37th or 38th man on the 40 man roster (assuming we all agree that gonzalez and cintron will be gone soon) of a rather thin team. tempest in a teapot.

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions

parse? what's there to parse?

we were discussing a white sox player and you go 'I don't care about players on other teams'

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

ROFL

"I'm a lawyer" what kind of law do you practice?

If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 20, 2007 9:43 PM CST up reply actions

American probably...

Though Ty Law is always an option.

by Hazymania on Nov 20, 2007 11:26 PM CST up reply actions

Vance here.

What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 20, 2007 11:27 PM CST up reply actions

Rudy!

by Ryno on Nov 20, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions

Or Murphy's...

The law not the oil.

by Hazymania on Nov 20, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions

The long arm of the

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 5:37 AM CST up reply actions

Martial

I can see Larry practicing martial law.

Though "see" is a relative term...

by Hazymania on Nov 21, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

What?

Andy Gonzalez should be released.

Andy Gonzalez in 2007 had an OPS+ of 39 in 215 Plate Appearances based on a BA of .185, an OBP of .280 and a SLG % of .249.

The White Sox have many players they are not protecting that could do that in 2008.

Why is he being protected?

by Jim in Maine on Nov 20, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

who says they're protecting him?

i see 40 men on the 40 man roster. and i see a GM intent on signing at least one free agent before the draft is going to be held. fine, we dump gonzalez today and add hernandez. who are we dropping when we sign, say, torii hunter next monday? fine, cintron. then who do we drop if we sign another free agent? i personally like roster flexibility while also keeping as many players as possible.

at some point, you have to make a decision. again, if you want to complain, complain about the obvious player who did not need to be added: armstrong.

by larry on Nov 20, 2007 7:49 PM CST up reply actions

Are you sure

he's eligble for the Rule V draft? As I recall the new collective bargaining agreement increased the years you can keep a player before exposing him to rule v. As I recall, it was increased from 5 yrs. to six. But don't quote me on that.

by bhoov on Nov 20, 2007 9:05 PM CST up reply actions

I hear

The Indians just signed that competitive hot dog eater Kobayashi. He will have some competition being around CC now.

If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 20, 2007 4:59 PM CST reply actions

Why would KW want to help the Cubs?

Let them burn!

by striker on Nov 20, 2007 5:17 PM CST reply actions

I would let...

podsednik "help" the cubs as much as he'd like.

by boyonthedock on Nov 20, 2007 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

Hunter to decide his future after holiday...

"Seven-time Gold Glove winner impressed by Cabrera trade"

But speaking to MLB.com on Tuesday afternoon, Hunter said his free agent thought process will pick up steam on the day following the holiday. But if Hunter and the White Sox were close to reaching a multi-year deal by the end of this week, as reported by the Sun-Times on Monday, then Hunter certainly wasn't tipping his hand to such an outcome.

"Not by the end of this week. I know that for a fact," said Hunter on Tuesday, when asked for a timetable of when he may sign a new lucrative deal. "It could be the end of next week, and it's not necessarily with the White Sox.

"I'm actually trying to weigh my options and think about a couple of other things," Hunter added.

Hunter didn't want to go into specifics of the deals being offered or the teams making offers, but he did admit that five teams had made contact. Ever the diplomat, Hunter said all five teams were in the running.

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 6:08 PM CST reply actions

re

Along with joining a team which is looking for a chance for immediate success, Hunter lists the need to find a good fit for his family as an overriding factor. Hunter can break down the teams all he wants, from top to bottom, and wants to find a place where he's comfortable.

If his family loves the city, Hunter admitted, then that's where he probably would end up going.

"My family has to like the city. My little boy has to like the city," Hunter said. "It's all family for me.

hopefully this give the rangers (since his home is in texas) an advantage

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 6:18 PM CST up reply actions

More...

Yet, Hunter seemed truly impressed by the addition of shortstop Orlando Cabrera made by the White Sox on Monday. According to the seven-time Gold Glove winner, he will start breaking down the options by Tuesday and think about what he wants to do.

"After the holiday, I'm going full speed ahead, 100 miles per hour," Hunter said.

As for the problems endured in Chicago by Jacque Jones and LaTroy Hawkins, Hunter's friends and one-time teammates in Minnesota, those past issues won't remotely factor into his final decision.

"Two reasons: I'm a different person than those guys, and my game is different than those guys," Hunter said. "And I'm not with the Cubs. It's the White Sox. That's totally different."

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 6:55 PM CST up reply actions

Our long national nightmare is over.

So ends the Podsednik Adventure.

by asinwreck on Nov 20, 2007 6:09 PM CST reply actions

Some more trades...

Mets acquired catcher Johnny Estrada from the Brewers for RHP Guillermo Mota.

Phillies acquired outfielder Chris Snelling from the Devil Rays in exchange for cash considerations.

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 6:53 PM CST reply actions

Harrell

is a bit of a hidden prospect. We were big fans back in June of '06. At the end of June last year, he had a hit rate not unlike DLS this season. He had an ERA under two and an incredible GB/FB ratio. I think he was hurt then, because his final few starts in W-S were not dominating like his first 3 months, and he was all over the place in his few AA starts.

I was disappointed not to see him pitch at any level this year. He said he was scheduled to go to one of the rookie leagues, but he never left complex ball.

I suppose him being put on the 40-man is a good sign about his recovery. Still, I wouldn't expect any team to put a claim on a guy who hasn't pitched well in 18 months.

Even though I really like(d) Harrell as a prospect, I almost would have rather him been left unprotected instead of Fernando, about whom I know nothing. I've seen one pitch -- a pitching motion really -- from Hernandez. It was riding low-90's fastball, not unlike the lone pitch I've seen from the Japanese reliever to whom the Sox have been connected.

Harrell would seem to be more likely to slip through the cracks by avoiding any real baseball action, whereas Hernandez was sent to the scout laden AFL.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 20, 2007 7:10 PM CST reply actions

How about two acquisitions?

Hunter and yet another Cabrera (not named Miguel)?

The Sun-Times' Gordon Wittenmyer wrote:

At least five teams have made offers to Hunter. According to baseball sources, all are for five years, with the exception of the Rangers' six-year offer, and the teams include the Los Angeles Dodgers, who are expected to go after Hunter very aggressively if their trade talks with Florida for third baseman Miguel Cabrera break down.

And the New York Yankees, who are shopping center fielder Melky Cabrera for pitching, could become a formidable sixth suitor if they can trade him by early next week.

I would give up some of our young pitching for Melky but I'm sure the Yankees would ask for Gio. It's too bad because he would look nice in LF and leading off for us. Adding Torii and Melky would definitely finalize our lineup. Trade Crede and Uribe for relievers and as a salary dump and we are left with...

LF Melky Cabrera
SS Orlando Cabrera
DH Jim Thome
1B Paul Konerko
RF Jermaine Dye
CF Torii Hunter
3B Josh Fields
C A.J. Pierzynski
2B Danny Richar

I should probably put my Xbox controller down. ; )

Anyways, it seems like the White Sox are only offering a 5-year contract. I don't see why Hunter would turn down a 6-year deal from the Rangers to come to the White Sox.

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 7:25 PM CST reply actions

yank$ inquire about jenks

sia:

According to a Yankees official, who asked not to be identified because he is not directly involved in the decision, the Yankees have inquired about Chicago White Sox closer Bobby Jenks to set up Rivera.

Jenks had a strong season (2.77 ERA, 40 saves in 46 chances and a record-tying streak of 41 consecutive batters retired), but a deal is considered a long shot. The Yankees' best hope is that the White Sox fail to sign free-agent centerfielder Torii Hunter and thus ask the Yankees for Melky Cabrera or Johnny Damon in a trade.

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply actions

What a joke

Maybe if we were talking Hughes or Joba. But Jenks for old man Damon. Nice speculating.

by southsideirish71 on Nov 20, 2007 8:34 PM CST up reply actions

Obviously,

straight up for Damon or Melky is a joke. However, we absolutely should be listening to offers for him.

by dantesox on Nov 20, 2007 8:43 PM CST up reply actions

Are you f'n kidding me?

I don't care who they offer we do NOT give up Jenks ever! Do you see how hard it is to get anyone in the bull pen that is worth a damn? Plus if we are in a win in 2008 mindset, why would you even let that thought creep into your mind?

If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 20, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions

i

agree, the name that i would consider listening to is Austin Jackson; this kid is going to blow up next year and would look great going forward after '08. But even that isn't enough, Jenks still has 3 years till hes a FA.

by beautox on Nov 20, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions

finding a closer vs. finding an above

average CF. which is really easier?

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 21, 2007 4:10 PM CST up reply actions

An above average CF'er...

To be a closer, you have to be a reliever who can get 3 outs with no one on base. "Stormy" Weathers and Joe Borowski are both closers.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 4:19 PM CST up reply actions

Yesterday this post was on SoxTalk.com:

"Not that it matters, but (Bruce) Levine said he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt."

One post, virtually no followup discussion.

I respect Bruce Levine.

Any other references to this?

by ballyb on Nov 20, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply actions

Trading the capt.????

Only if it clears up money to do a trade and sign with the Twins for Santana. I should have bought a Jenks jersey ;(

If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 20, 2007 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah,

the Twins are just begging to trade Santana within the division.

What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 20, 2007 11:03 PM CST up reply actions

I saw that, ballyb

It's in my mind that it could happen, although I'm still a litle hazy on where. The Yankees might make sense, but they'd have to give the Sox more than just Johnny Damon -- I'd say Johnny Damon and Ian Kennedy, but that ain't happening as if Kennedy wouldn't be dealt in a package for Miggy Cabrera, he certainly isn't going for Paul Konerko. I can't come up with another 'win now' piece that the yankees could send us.

Maybe the Dodgers? That only makes sense if Colletti folds to the pressure of certain players and media members, wanting to go with more veteran goodness over Loney.

by CWSKeith on Nov 20, 2007 9:55 PM CST up reply actions

steve stone on O-Cab

play, mp3

by The Wizard on Nov 20, 2007 9:42 PM CST reply actions

I usually love Steve Stone

But that is some of the stupidest analysis I have heard, maybe Murph is ruining his brain. Jim Thome's back problems stem from his time in Philadelphia? Jon Garland is a Boras client? Jon Garland is a #1 in a rotation? Garland's going to command $20 million a year for 5 or 6 years in a contract?

What?

Caulk the wagon.

by rebstock on Nov 20, 2007 11:00 PM CST up reply actions

Steve Stone...

great game caller, awful player analysis.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 8:17 AM CST up reply actions

i have no problem with steve stone

after he called out the cubs and their laughable collapse in 2004 before they kicked him out...

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 21, 2007 8:45 AM CST up reply actions

I agree with that pretty much

He gushed about Masset last season. Which I found confusing, because so many people think he 'd be a great GM. Assuming he wasn't just fluffing the Sox, he was dead wrong about that. And Garland being a #1 pitcher? I think Garland is undervalued, but sheesh.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 21, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

yep, that was pretty nutty

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions

Did Bruce Levine.....

really say he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt? Interesting....

by stanchar on Nov 20, 2007 9:58 PM CST reply actions

Not gonna happen...

Bruce LeVineLine is wrong quite a bit.

by SSH2005 on Nov 20, 2007 10:18 PM CST up reply actions

id still like to know

why he said that and if he heard something

by Jbasic89 on Nov 20, 2007 10:48 PM CST up reply actions

I heard him on MJH

and he spoke about it as though it were a matter of fact, as if it were common knowledge by now. The only team he mentioned were the Angels though.

Wait and see I suppose.

by Hazymania on Nov 20, 2007 11:30 PM CST up reply actions

I found this quote at SoxTalk...

ESPN 1000 was saying this morning that Texas offer is six year about 85m and the White Sox offer is 5 at about 70. I think those were the numbers, they may be off roughly.

I don't see why Hunter would sign with us for 5-years, $70 million when he could get 6-years, $85 million from the Rangers.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 8:55 AM CST reply actions

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHH

Don't say things like that! Kenny might notice it and adjust accordingly!

by Hazymania on Nov 21, 2007 9:28 AM CST up reply actions

Texas is tax-free, too

I think

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 21, 2007 9:39 AM CST up reply actions

It is

My previous prognostication has been mitigated by the fact that he already lives there, a fact that had escaped me.

Oops. Bigger contract offer and he gets to stay home? Now how much does he want to whore himself out? (I mean, the proud tradition of the Rangers? Vs. the Pale Hose/Go-Go/SS Hit-Men/ Winning Ugly/Don't Stop Believin'Sox? Please.)

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions

the benefit of Chicago vs Texas

Hunter clearly has aspirations as a member of the media after baseball. Chicago would give him more of an inroad into that than Texas. That being said, I'd take the $15M more at Texas, tax free, and take my chances.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Nov 21, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions

I wonder what Boras and Andruw Jones...

are looking for.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 9:53 AM CST reply actions

i don't know

but after the public emasculation he just had to endure with the boss' kids and he-of-purple-lip-gloss, i'm thinking he wants to make an example of some team, to show he still has mojo left.

don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry.

by thatshortkid on Nov 21, 2007 10:14 AM CST up reply actions

Came accross this little nugget from Olney today:

After managing in the Red Sox farm system for a year, outfielder Gabe Kapler will resume his playing career in 2008. He will probably work out for teams sometime in early to mid-December, to demonstrate his readiness, and already about six teams have indicated interest, in an offseason in which the market on corner outfielders is very thin.

He's an interesting name. This might be a huge stretch, but he does fit the Kenny Williams "scraping the bottom of the barrel" mold.

by BoKnows on Nov 21, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions

We don't need any ex-roiders...

There's a reason he is always injured. He hasn't been very good since 2000 and 2001 with the Rangers.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 11:24 AM CST up reply actions

Here's Kenny's cheap option for LF...

"Despite letdown in '07, Finley not ready to retire"

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

If we add Finley,

then at least we would be the league leader in something. Average age.

by BoKnows on Nov 21, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions

Maybe we could also coax

Lenny Dykstra and Brett Butler out of retirement to compete with Finley.

He not busy being born is busy dying.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 21, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

You lack ambition.

We need a corner outfielder, so why not go with the one head and shoulders above all others AND who is already a member of the organization?

It's time for Minnie Minoso.

by asinwreck on Nov 21, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

Swear to Christ

I was going to post that this AM.

Instead, "Jungle" Jim Landis or Ken Berry would fit.

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 6:50 PM CST up reply actions

Is anyone else concerned with

the quality of player wives/girlfriends that we're losing with Pods and Garland leaving town? Seriously, I hope nobody forgets what Pods did for this team in 2005. My 11 year old son has hanging on his bedroom wall an autographed picture of Pods hitting his WS home. That was a hell of a moment!

by palehose67 on Nov 21, 2007 12:46 PM CST reply actions

Wardrobe Falfunction

Um, since when did Garland have a hot girlfriend? If he got one, I must have missed it.

With regard to Pods, this may be the only appropriate time to ever invoke Janet Jackson lyrics, to the effect of "what have you done for me lately? ooh ooh ooh yeah."

He not busy being born is busy dying.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 21, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

lovieanne jung

is/was jon's girlfriend. as for whether she's hot, i guess that's personal preference.

http://www.loviejung.com/

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

One word -- fugly.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

Tough crowd.

I like that her bio briefly mentions her boyfriend "Jon." No last names, please.

by palehose67 on Nov 21, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions

If I'm Jon Garland and making millions...

I would have a hotter woman than that. Take a look at Jeff Garcia and Adam Archuleta's wives...

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

i'm fairly certain they're no longer together

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions

She's a cutie..

what are you guys talking about? If you can look cute in a softball uniform, you've got to clean up pretty good. I mean. yeah she's no playmate, but check out this pic:

http://www.usoc.org/26_19532.htm

by bhoov on Nov 21, 2007 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

keep in mind

that she's a softball player. i'm not going to use the word "butch" to describe such women (whoops) but we're not talking about women who necessarily appeal to the majority of men. this is a 5 foot 6, 145 pound woman who is quite muscular and so on. for guys who like their women a little more petite, i'm thinking she's not quite right.

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Wake up.

She's perfect, unless you're silly enough to prefer, the anorexic, scrawny runway model type.

by dantesox on Nov 21, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

Perfect?

Maybe if you plan on bagging and tagging her.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

dante likes the big girls

dante likes the big girls. more cushion for the pushin', eh? like your foreplay to include getting thrown around a bit?

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah,

real big...145 pounds? I like them athletic, certainly.

by dantesox on Nov 21, 2007 3:13 PM CST up reply actions

Personally...

I prefer women who don't look like men.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

give her a few years

you'll affectionately call her plumpers.

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

I can't say for sure,

but I bet larry likes the Eastern European, Praguian ectomorph "boyish" look in his chick. Kinda unisex. Think Natalie Portman - beautiful until naked, then - "Ack - where are your hips/breasts/ass cheeks?"

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 6:53 PM CST up reply actions

She still looks fugly to me...

I'm not even talking about her body, Larry. Her face is unattractive to me.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

and i didn't even get into

how some men simply aren't fans of asians. like me. variety is the spice of life. there's something out there for everyone. and i guarantee california jon is way too cool and unflappable to give a shit what anyone thinks about his women.

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

I am personally not big on Asians...

but there are some hot Asians out there. In my opinion, she is not one of them.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

Well

to each his own. But definitely count me in on athletic 5'6" 145 pounders with flat stomachs as opposed to 5'9" 110 skinny runway types.

by bhoov on Nov 21, 2007 4:00 PM CST up reply actions

I for one always liked the

Katarina Witt type, meself. Now, I am married to larry's type - 5'5", 105 lbs. But I'd take Katie.

Jenny Finch is OK for a softball player,too.

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 6:55 PM CST up reply actions

no

jenny finch is a heck lot more than OK!

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions

I had no idea she was

a softball player. I just remember seeing her in the stands during the 2005 playoffs and thinking that she was attractive.

by palehose67 on Nov 21, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

She also has a nice personality.

by ballyb on Nov 21, 2007 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

You guys are being too harsh on Jon.

He dated a girl my best friend went to prom with in high school at Maine West. She's pretty good looking. Check out the pics:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2623907030065395971eHUugm?vhost=good-times
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2838294000065395971jNujkA?vhost=good-times

by Raf on Nov 21, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions

Comments are Way off base

You guys have gotten way off base with your comments. All this talk about Garland's girlfriend when you could be talking about Pods' wife. And for that matter, all his groin injuries.

by Andy the Clown on Nov 21, 2007 5:02 PM CST up reply actions

in news that slipped through the cracks

free agent jason bourgeois - who seems to be a cause celebre on this site recently - signed a minor league contract with the sox. i'm not quite as high as some on him but he certainly could provide at least what andy gonzalez did and, in my opinion, should make alex cintron totally expendable, if he wasn't already.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071120sox,1,120364.story

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 12:47 PM CST reply actions

Great move by Kenny...

Utility player Jason Bourgeois, who batted .311 in 84 games at Triple-A Charlotte and stole 38 bases with the Knights and Double-A Birmingham, signed a minor-league contract.

Dump.Cintron.now.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

yesterday

that makes fernando hernandez being left off the roster even worse...

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

wiz

you're acting like these roster moves are being made in a vacuum where the only consideration is protecting players for the rule 5 draft. there's more going on in the world of white sox baseball than that over the next few weeks. free agents? trades? hell, maybe the sox will want to claim someone in the draft, too. even if cintron was dumped, adding another player in his place would probably be a pretty dumb move because it limits kenny's ability to get deals done. we need - at the very least - two readily available spots on the 40 man (i'd say gonzalez and cintron fit this bill but others may disagree) for signing a CF and for making another roster move, whether it be by trade or signing. heck, i think the sox are actually hurting themselves by not having even more spots available right now (i'm looking at you, cole armstrong).

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 1:17 PM CST up reply actions

ok, this sounds logical

does someone like hernandez have to be protected from this point on constantly?

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

well, sort of

not sure i'm getting your question but if a player is removed from the 40, he has to go through waivers. and if you think this is a guy that other teams would want in rule 5, then there would be no question that other teams would put in a waiver claim for him.

by larry on Nov 21, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

ok, thanks

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

Rotoworld's comments on Jason Bourgeois...

White Sox re-signed second baseman-outfielder Jason Bourgeois to a minor league contract.
Bourgeois, who turns 26 in January, looked like one of the better minor league free agents out there after hitting .306/.365/.440 between Double- and Triple-A last season. Whether he gets a chance to make the White Sox next spring could depend on what happens with Pablo Ozuna.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions

And Happy Thanksgiving ...

You bet I do ... with the way he produced last regular season (and, mind you, our bull pen did not) as well as in the fall he should definitely be on 40 man roster.

by Jim in Maine on Nov 21, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

Jasyon Stark: Reds shopping Freel & Hamilton

Link:

The Reds are so convinced that minor league player of the year Jay Bruce could be ready for the big leagues by June, they're actively marketing outfielders to clear space. Don't figure on Junior Griffey or Adam Dunn changing zip codes. But the Reds are aggressively dropping Ryan Freel's name. And maybe most surprisingly, they've told other teams Josh Hamilton is also available in the right deal. "It really makes you wonder about his health," said an official of one team that spoke with them, "and whether all that time he missed took more of a toll than we thought."

If they are shopping Josh Hamilton, Kenny should be all over it. The Reds would want pitching for him. Hell, even Ryan Freel would look nice in LF over our current option Jerry Owens.

by SSH2005 on Nov 21, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions

June?!?

Bruce had better be ready before June to hit Bill James' projection of 143 games and 535 at-bats, let alone 41 doubles and 36 bombs.

He not busy being born is busy dying.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 21, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions

Please take your Ritalin

How many signature changes are you going to make? Dead? Pulp Fiction? Kill Bill? Dylan?

"I still haven't found what I'm looking for", eh?

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 21, 2007 6:58 PM CST up reply actions

more yank$-jenks

[NJ Star-Ledger]:

But after shaky Kyle Farnsworth, bullpen experience is limited; Edwar Ramirez, Ross Ohlendorf, Chris Britton and Brian Bruney are candidates, and Eiland mentioned Matt DeSalvo, Jeff Karstens and Steven White as minor-league starters who could push for a relief spot. The Yankees will make a run at Chicago White Sox closer Bobby Jenks, have interest in re-signing Luis Vizcaino and have been tied to free agents Ron Mahay and Scott Linebrink. "There's some holes to fill," Eiland said.

will make a run? as offer Johnny Damon? pass...

by The Wizard on Nov 21, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions

What would make

the NJ Star-Ledger believe Jenks is available? I can't see the Sox downgrading an already shaky pen and opening a gaping hole with the loss of our closer, especially if we're competing in 2008. No substance to 'run' at Jenks.

by HulkSmash on Nov 21, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

Worthless rumors...

On the Yankee boards include stuff like Damon and Horne for Jenks or Melky Cabrera straight-up for Jenks.

My guess -- the writer just picked a team that won't contend in 2008 with a good closer and mentioned Jenks as a trade target (because 90 loss teams don't need closers). He doesn't realize that KW is living in a different world in which the Sox are contenders. And rainbows are everywhere.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 21, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions