White Sox to lose Fernando Hernandez in Rule 5 Draft
That headline will come as a surprise to no one around here, but it seems Hernandez is 'building momentum' with scouts as the draft approaches.
"This is a guy someone's going to bite on," said one National League scouting director. "He's all guts and showed the ability to shut people down with games on the line. He profiles as more of a middle reliever, but any manager you talk to who's had him will tell you they're not afraid to put him in there in the ninth inning.
"His fastball can be fringy, but he's got a pretty good curveball with a lot of depth to it, and his changeup is probably his second-best pitch."
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Marshall
Castro is a different story, as there were a bunch (Reynoso, among others) of guys who should've been bumped for Fabio. It's certainly frustrating, however, when there are clear cuts that are kept in favor of guys like Castro and Hernandez.
At the very least, we can be happy that Kenny hasn't beat out Omar Minaya for leaving Jesus Flores unprotected.
I wasn't even too upset about Castro
Marshall, I wasn't upset with at all. We all thought it was more important to protect Oneli, who would have been the next man off...
With Hernandez, however, I think it just highlights the organizations inability to recognize what it takes to develop viable bullpen arms.
Wasserman, who we were begging for along with Egbert in May, didn't get the call because of pedestrian stuff until we gave Prinz and Buckvich a chance. And if he didn't succeed as quickly as he did in the last two months, I imagine the Sox would have lost him for nothing.
dude.
but has anything new come to light to explain why Kenny would allow this to happen?
Doesn't make much of any sense...
Do we get any compensation if he is signed?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
that's all? wtf.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Eh. It doesn't matter.
I think it's pretty stupid
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
In a big way?
So it's a stupid, but a very limited one.
It's a stupid move when you realize...
And teams that had an absolutely horrible bullpen the previous season should not be dumping any relievers with possible upside.
What if something happens to Linebrink...
I agree with SSH here. For a team that had an awful bullpen last year and trying to win a championship next year... they need to repair all the holes they can.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt this guy even pans out...
It speaks to the organizations
Being able to develop and identify those cheap arms which can fill into the back/middle of a bullpen is a large part of the reason the Twins are as competitive as they've been year-in-year-out since 2001.
There's no reason to give multi-million dollar multiple-year deals to middle reliever free agents when other options exist, with proper scouting and development, which should provide the same run prevention at 1/10th the cost.
Good point...
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, granted. The Linebrink signing
Predict the next moves to come...
What else would we need then? Another starter?
something big
i dont see how rowand could possibly help our team. we would lose $15mm and another draft pick for one of the more overrated players in baseball. everyone here knows damn well that rowand is not a gold glove center fielder.
Sure, but Rowand's bat was filthy last season...
I would much rather sign Andruw Jones but the Boras factor makes that unlikely. And now that Kenny made a great trade for a dirt-cheap starting LF'er and saved a bunch of money, we may as well throw some money at a top free agent CF'er. If we trade Crede and manage to dump Uribe's contract, that would free up around $9.5 million dollars. And if we aren't going to get Jones and lose Fukudome to the Padres or Cubs, I would much rather have Rowand than Cameron or Crisp.
I know Rowand could easily be a bust in 2008 and beyond but he could also be pretty good. I realize that he isn't a stud but the Rowand-hate seems pretty crazy around here. Just remember that a couple offseasons ago, many people thought that Brian Anderson would more than replace Aaron Rowand. Well, that sure didn't work out.
i think the big question is
do we keep him and start him in left field?
or do we use him in a trade?
the big problem is that we still do not have a sure leadoff hitter and now with quentin it leaves one less position to fill that role.
It's been said before, but I'll say it again...
Here's what Kenny can say
As far as who hits number two... against lefties there's multiple options, starting with Quentin or Fields. Against righties... if they're really not willing to move everyone up a spot (or say Dye to the two hole), you can go with Richar. In the end it's not going to make a huge difference. If Kenny gets it across to Ozzie that the "leadoff hitter" is only the leadoff hitter once a game, we'll all be better off and won't have to acquire a CFer with 'leadoff skillz.'
Rowand-hate?
While I don't want the Sox to shell out a 5 year deal or pay Rowand $13M a year, he would be an upgrade in CF over Owens(?). I think a lot of people underestimate just how pathetic the offensive production in CF/SS/LF was last season. Improving those positions to close to league average would be a big deal I think.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm
Used to be December 20th
Kenny feels the same way as us...
"I will pick his [rear end] up at the airport and drive him to what I hope is a National League team," said Williams, with a wry smile, concerning one of the White Sox chief tormentors.
BoSox official: Yankees close to Santana deal...
Mets and Bedard
Fernando Martinez would have to headline the package, right? Something like Martinez, Guerra and one (or two) of Gomez/Pelfrey/Humber?
Fun with hyperbole
Maybe if you think about it in football terms...
Chris Burke
I would take him...
exactly
From MLB TradeRumors.com.
Royals get Guillen (not Ozzie)
Damn....HGH DOES pay.
6 Billion dollars
3/36 for Guillen?! JD already looks like a bargain. If he's getting 3/36, Rowand's gonna get 5/75. Silva? 4/44 if not 4/48. Buckle up fellas it's gonna be a wild ride.
End this ridiculousness with Boras.
Also, I have a feeling Crede will dump Boras. He belongs on the South Side.
No, he doesn't...
agreed
Ask the pitching staff
To each his own.
cmon
You could argue that Fields is a poor...
Ask the pitching staff
Crede is a way bigger
i'm going with
Assuming Crede is healthy,
If he's not healthy, totally different story.
and you want to gamble on that?
Setting my previous snarky post aside
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2007 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
fine
IMO, Konerko to be traded.
not bad
So, ambulance chaser,
no, i don't like the payroll result
totally agree here
Which outfielder?
And that doesn't solve the Crede-Fields situation.
I honestly don't know what Ken Williams will do here. I'd just dump Crede, but I fear that Williams will deal Fields.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the organization
I think KW must realize he can get similar production with Fields and save lots of money.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Possibly...
The fact that Crede's still on the roster makes me wonder what Ken Williams is going to do.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
you can stop wondering
we all know the facts surrounding this one
"In terms of sitting back and looking at it from a logical, where are we know, where are we headed kind of perspective," explained Williams, who also mentioned Crede was recently brought into Chicago to have the White Sox doctors lay eyes on him and that he was definitely progressing. "From a personal standpoint, it's a little more difficult, but they all are.
"I get very close to our players and no matter which direction you turn, you're affecting someone's livelihood, you're affecting their careers and life, and that's never sat well with me. That's why we have a lot of conversations before we do things. We don't have to rush into anything. We'll take our time."
i can't imagine a more clear "come and get him - he gone" quote.
Hmm...
Maybe Williams will shock me and get someone of value for Crede, but I doubt it.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'm gonna still wonder,
cheers!
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed -
The Chris Burke to the Sox rumor is back online...
The Astros are considering shipping Chris Burke to the White Sox for an unnamed reliever.
CORKY!
Steve Phillips of ESPN reports that the White Sox are close to acquiring Chris Burke from the Astros for an unknown relief pitcher.
Burke became expendable when Houston signed Kaz Matsui and would be competing with Juan Uribe and Danny Richard to start at second base in Chicago. David Aardsma and Nick Masset are both out of options, making them possibilities in such a deal.
Source: ESPN.com
Related: White Sox
NOW I get the "Corky" comment
Good one, shaftr.
I know that Steve Phillips is an idiot...
Chris Burke would be a decent utility guy but I don't want to see him as our starting CF'er. But he would also be a nice fall-back option in case Richar busts.
wait...
So, yes, he's a younger version
More tinkering. Ner okeeps playing the fiddle. We need a STATEMENT move, not this fringy stuff.
FUKO! Pay the man!
What's wrong with Mack?
I think...
Burke was bad in '05, decent in '06, and bad again in '07. The Astros have jerked him around, so he's worth a flier if you don't have to give up anything of value, but he's not someone to get excited about.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
He's just the sort of player
Like Mackowiack only faster, RH, younger with
I'd like to see the Sox lose Ozuna and build a bench with some real versatility. It's especially critical when you need 7 guys in your pen to do the job of 6.
by White Sox Randy on Dec 4, 2007 9:08 AM CST reply actions
nice
Keith Law on Yesterday's Trade:
His value was low at the moment for a pair of reasons -- the Eric Byrnes extension locked him out of a job in Arizona, and Quentin just had surgery on his left shoulder. If healthy, he'll provide a solid boost of OBP to a lineup that's light on patient hitters. The White Sox's team OBP was just .318 last year, and just one hitter was over .360. The move also allows them to fill an outfield hole without spending a significant amount of money.
The Diamondbacks acquire a high-risk, high-upside power-hitting prospect in Chris Carter. Carter was a 15th-round pick in 2005 out of a Las Vegas high school. He had plus raw power then but was otherwise lacking in baseball skills. Since signing, however, he's shown better plate discipline and better ability to make contact than expected. There's still a question about whether his defense is good enough to keep him at first base -- and there aren't a lot of other options if that position doesn't work out -- but he has the power potential to hit 30-plus homers in the majors.
"played against type"
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Could Aston Villa's home pitch
Cubs trade Will Ohman & Omar Infante...
So basically...
trades
BS!
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
thank goodness
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
good
funny
Vacation
by Silver on Dec 4, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Tigers near deal for Rockies' Denny Bautista...
Why?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Awful news for us...
The Marlins and Tigers are engaged in preliminary talks about a blockbuster that would send Cabrera and left-hander Dontrelle Willis to Detroit for a package of young players, according to major-league sources.
Outfielder Cameron Maybin and left-hander Andrew Miller likely are among the Marlins' targets. The Tigers already feature two veteran left-handed starters, Kenny Rogers and Nate Robertson, possibly making Miller available in a deal for Willis.
Cabrera would play third base for the Tigers. It is uncertain what would happen to the Tigers' incumbent third baseman, Brandon Inge, if a deal were completed; he possibly could be sent to another team.
The Marlins are at an impasse in their talks about Cabrera with the Angels. The teams are in agreement on three players the Marlins would receive, sources say -- second baseman Howie Kendrick, catcher Jeff Mathis and minor-league pitcher Nick Adenhart. The Angels are balking at including right-hander Ervin Santana; the substitution of outfielder Reggie Willits possibly could lead to a deal.
The White Sox remain heavily interested in Cabrera, whom they would use in left field. Sox manager Ozzie Guillen is close with Cabrera and said Monday that the player already has lost 15 pounds this off-season while re-dedicating himself to baseball.
Miguel Cabrera AND Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers? Great...
Posturing?
those major league sources
My sentiment exactly
Allegedly, according to Cabrera's 'close friend,' he wants to reunite with Ozzie. Too bad said friend isn't the Marlins GM.
Sorry - the winner is
or
"I am not a crook."
Equal time, you know.
Or, better yet, every Sox fan after 2005:
"It doesn't matter if we ever win another World Series - I'm happy with this one."
i'll take my licks
Well, I wouldn't worry about Willis
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2007 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
He had some great years no doubt
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
that sucks
but
Well yeah
After RTFA
Does it really matter how much.....
Would topping the Angels offer make any sense for the Sox ?
by White Sox Randy on Dec 4, 2007 11:28 AM CST reply actions
I don't think...
I don't think the White Sox have the pieces to make a Cabrera deal happen, period.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, I should have said
Or whoever's in LF...
not sure i'd want him
then again,
by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
you'll find out at your "fantasy" camp
Can't say I've been in a major league
Count me in!
Of course, the legal rep from
yawn.
by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, but the balls on the hands witticism
Get thee back to the Midwest, G-man. Before it is too late.
The tenor of these posts
Whatever happened to chicks? Huh?
Fer Chrissakes. ;)
I'm going to miss
Farewell to thee, Scotty Pods.
What will you miss more,
are two groins better than one?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Dan Haren to the Diamondbacks?
The deal could take away a non-Johan Santana option for both the Yankees and Red Sox.
Conor Jackson plays 1B...
Bruce LeVineLine of ESPN 1000...
teahen
Teahen
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't it supposed to be released a month ago?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
new one I found
jason bay...
ugly,
by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
That was a smile
What happened to him? In rehab?
there must be a war goin' on.
by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

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