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White Sox [NOT] close to landing Miguel Cabrera, interested in Andruw

Thecheatsmoking_tiny by The Cheat on in Rumors

I've got the ESPN Winter Meetings special on in the background, not paying too much attention to it. I've kept it on because they promised some Ozzie Guillen goodness at the top of the program. Minutes from it's close, I've yet to see our favorite Venezuelan.

Meanwhile, Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post is reporting that the White Sox appear tantalizingly close to a Miguel Cabrera deal.

The Chicago White Sox are making a strong push to acquire Marlins third baseman Miguel Cabrera, industry sources said late this afternoon.

The hallways at the winter meetings were buzzing that the White Sox are close to making "a major announcement," and team sources confirmed it has to do with Cabrera.

He speculates that the package would include Fields, Gio, and one of Danks/Floyd.

Update [2007-12-4 18:17:50 by The Cheat]: According to Peter Gammons (and some MLBlog), the Tigers will make a deal for Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis by the end of the night.

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According to Ozzie, who 'doesn't get involved,' the White Sox do indeed have interest in Andruw Jones.

"He's in the mix, I guess," said Guillen, who raved about Jones when he played with him in Atlanta in 1998-99. "It's all about cash, years, something I don't get involved."

"A lot to people say Scott Boras is the best agent, and he is," Guillen said. "No (kidding). When you have all those kind of players, you'd be a good agent, too."

"I think Andruw Jones is going to bounce back and have a good year, no matter whoever he plays for," Guillen said. "With all my respect to Torii Hunter, I don't see anyone better than that kid when I was playing with him."

Mr. Hahn, there's a Mr. Boras on the line for you.
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How about... no?
Looks like he's headed to the Tigers, along with Dontrelle Willis...

http://wintermeetings.mlblogs.com/nashvilleconfidential/2007/12/tigers_set_to_a.html

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 5:08 PM CST   0 recs

I do like the second rumor though...
about the Sox going after Andruw Jones.

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 5:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Report: Tigers to acquire Cabrera, Willis...
Via Rotoworld.com:
MLB.com is reporting that the Tigers are set to acquire Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and four more prospects.
Rick Porcello is going to be awfully lonely as the only member of Detroit's farm system next year. If true, this puts the Tigers right back among the elite in the AL and further swings the balance of power between the leagues. Detroit will have to hope to find a taker for Brandon Inge, who is owed $18 million over the next three years.
Source:  MLB.com

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 5:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Dude...
That would suck. If the Tigers get that trade I would roll over and die. We may never beat the Tigers again for another 3 years.

Okay.

  1. Granderson-CF
  2. Renteria-SS
  3. Cabrera-3B
  4. Guillen-1B
  5. Magglio-RF
  6. Sheffield-DH
  7. Pudge-C
  8. J.Jones-LF
  9. Polanco-2B
That lineup could score 1200 runs.

Their staff:

Verlander, Rogers, Bonderman, Robertson, Miner?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Someone hurry on over to Vegas
and put some money down on the Tigers going all the way. Put down a couple thousand. I will pay you back in a month.

Larry? Hear me buddy? You've got the funds. :)

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so....
... how long will the Tigers give the ball to Willis before they realize he's not good enough to start for them?

by ruffster on Dec 4, 2007 5:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing
I'd rather have Miller.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 4, 2007 5:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So would I
but Willis is probably better than any other 5th starter they are left with. Miner?

hmm...

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So?
They could have the worst ERA in the league and still go to the WS.

Verlander and Bonderman are legitimate Cy Young candidates.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

you forgot willis

the grinder rating on that team is insane.  AND they have real talent.  a real 1-2 punch.

by hugh on Dec 4, 2007 5:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The only grinder in there
is Polanco. We'll kick their fucking asses.

by ballyb on Dec 4, 2007 5:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Honestly I like
the Jones  MUCH BETTER than the Miguel Cabrera scenario.

by ballyb on Dec 4, 2007 5:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So do I...
he wouldn't cost us anything but money.

But since the Sox don't negotiate with Boras, maybe both rumors are bunk.

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 5:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And this Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post
should work on his sources and timing. Really work on them.

by ballyb on Dec 4, 2007 5:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Okay, I will quote it then...
Link:
White Sox eyeing Andruw Jones

The Chicago White Sox are interested in free-agent center fielder Andruw Jones.

The addition of Jones, a 10-time Gold Glove Award winner, would further strengthen the White Sox -- who recently added 2007 American League Gold Glove shortstop Orlando Cabrera -- defensively and give the team five players -- Jones, Cabrera, Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye and Paul Konerko -- who averaged 89 RBIs and 250 total bases apiece in 2007.

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 5:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't believe it
but adding Jones through free agency is a better move than spending what little youth the Sox have on Miguel Cabrera.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 4, 2007 5:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh PLEASE!
Make it be true!

Hail Mary's and Our Father's are being said!

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2007 5:09 PM CST   0 recs

If Cabrera...
...had even one more arb year, I'd like this deal.  But he doesn't, and I think that package is just too much for two years of his services.

But like the others, I do like the Jones rumors.

by BridgeportJoe on Dec 4, 2007 5:15 PM CST   0 recs

PLEASE KENNY
this could save the season keeping cabrera out of motown

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:15 PM CST   0 recs

You mean THE Palm Beach Post, right?
This guy's Pulitzer is sitting up there on the shelf, right next to Cheat & Wiz's.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that trade, but I'd give Florida anything they're asking for if they're crazy enough to accept the likes of Fields and Danks or whatever other "prospects" we have in our system.  Our guys suck!  A 24yr old Hall of Famer whose nearest comp at every age is Hank Aaron doesn't come around very often. Kenny, get that Marlin GM drunk tonight!

"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 4, 2007 5:18 PM CST   0 recs

no kidding (sorta)
I mean, within reason on the 'anything' bit.

I'm chalking up the Tigers news to East Coast Bias, and waiting for the White Sox major announcement.

Dubee and Danks and pray for Taco Bell

by hscs on Dec 4, 2007 5:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

sigh of relief
peter gammons has been right, what 0 times ever?

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:22 PM CST   0 recs

From Gammons
The Tigers have won the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes. Detroit acquired Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for six players -- Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three minor league prospects

by Big Daddy Kool on Dec 4, 2007 5:29 PM CST   0 recs

FOCCCCCCCCKK
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:31 PM CST   0 recs

*Phew*
I did NOT want to see the White Sox throw away everything they have in pursuit of Cabrera.

If this is true, it's a nice get for the Tigers, but they're definitely in "win-now" mode, while the White Sox decidedly are not.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 5:33 PM CST   0 recs

How the AL Central was won
That's the beauty of a great farm system, gutting it for Cabrera,Willis and Renteria. Not to mention Sheffield last year.

by Big Daddy Kool on Dec 4, 2007 5:34 PM CST   0 recs

Gah lee...
Kenny should trade all his vets now for prospects.

Build for 2010 and beyond.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ugh.
We all know the Sox amateur draft scouting has been somewhat less than stellar, but the Tigers' farm system only had the ability to make this deal because they blew for a good deal of time, something the Sox hadn't done for a long time prior to '07. Hence the #6 pick in the '06 draft (Miller), #10 in '05 (Maybin), and #2 in '04 (Verlander).

In fact, until this season, the Tigers drafted in the top 14 every year since '94. The White Sox, on the other hand, have had one pick in the top 14 since '90. The Tigers were bound to get it right a few times.

Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 6:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cash helps
When you get to grab Porcello mid to late first because you're willing to shell out a 7 million signing bonus.  Didn't they grab Miller the same way?

And while they were terrible for a long time and had high picks, they were still being run by a moron.  Dombroski came in '02, fired Randy Smith and started drafting like crazy.  Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Dombrowski) says he took over the GM role after the '02 season.  So that gave him '03, '04 and '05 drafts where the prior team was awful.  

So, yeah, the losing 'helped' for 3 drafts, but before that, the high picks were wasted, see:  Randy Smith is bad at GMing.

by coffeepac on Dec 4, 2007 6:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

No diggity.
The cash helps and so does scouting, but it's still got to help to be able to take chances on very high ceiling guys. For all the Sox efforts (and middle to late first round picks), we got three playoff appearances including two first round exits.

As an aside, check out the last time the Sox had a run of top 10 picks...McDowell, Ventura, Thomas, and Alex Fernandez.

Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 4, 2007 6:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think the landscape of the draft has changed
since the Sox drafted McDowell, Ventura, Thomas, and Fernandez. Given the opportunity to draft that high again, I don't see the Sox, with the scouting department as it is, doing all that much with those opportunities.

In addition, they need to put more resources into international scouting and player development, as has been suggested many times on this blog, to supplement the amateur draft.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 5, 2007 12:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i agree.
my reference was merely nostalgic.
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 12:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Can it be that it was all
so simple then....?  Or has time re-written every line?

Man, my wife better get home soon - quoting Streisand...

2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Congrats WU, you've sunk to a new low!
Streisand, sheeesh!
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 6, 2007 1:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

A new low!
I'm so ashamed!
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 6, 2007 5:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

is there any way we can win this division now?
man i just feel like we have no chance anymore.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:36 PM CST   0 recs

Before this... maybe...
There is no way in hell we can withstand a Verlander-Bonderman 1-2 punch while Buehrle and Vasquez go up and down the AL All-Star team.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't matter...
from the perspective of the White Sox.  The team that should be concerned, as far as 2008 goes, is Cleveland.  That'll be an interesting race.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 5:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So it doesn't matter for the rest of the AL
Central? I suppose we, the Royals, and the Twins, can try to win the AL West.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I suppose...
the White Sox, Royals, and Twins can try, but none of them were winning the division anyway.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 5:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

nice
this gives us a chance to show jon garland we dont need his sorry ass no more

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Add Brandon Inge to the available 3rd baseman
The market for Joe Crede/Scott Rolen just dropped some.

by Big Daddy Kool on Dec 4, 2007 5:38 PM CST   0 recs

hard to say
but if we were able to grab haren and a solid power arm like bartolo, we would be tough in a 7 game series, Verlander doesn't scare me or the sox and either does Dontrelle

by tubesox on Dec 4, 2007 5:41 PM CST   0 recs

Inge
will end up in Milwaukee, Kenny needs to figure this Crede / Fields situation out in the next 5 hours

by tubesox on Dec 4, 2007 5:43 PM CST   0 recs

Detroit
Venezuela north

by tubesox on Dec 4, 2007 5:43 PM CST   0 recs

I'm sure Tiger fans
will love the Venezualan flag if it gets them to the Ws.

by Big Daddy Kool on Dec 4, 2007 5:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

season is already over
sorry guys but we will no be contending for the next four years.  Kenny is better off trying to trade everybody and rebuild.

by rspata on Dec 4, 2007 5:47 PM CST   0 recs

Man I was dumb enough
to think we could land Cabrera, but to see him go to the tigers is brutal.  This ruined our whole off season.

by rspata on Dec 4, 2007 5:48 PM CST   0 recs

i guess our only realistic chance now
is the wild card? man this is a tough one to swallow

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:49 PM CST   0 recs

I don't know...
how realistic the Wild Card is, either.  

There are five really good AL teams entering the 2008 season right now - New York, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, and Los Angeles of Anaheim.  Everyone else is going to be hoping for a miracle.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 4, 2007 5:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

NY isn't that good
But I think that LA, Boston, Cleveland, and Detroit are the favorites to make the playoffs at this point.

The Yankee$ need more starting pitching and have too many DHs.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 4, 2007 5:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I love that you think that
the wild card is a realistic chance.

by BustedFlush on Dec 4, 2007 5:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

well
i still do not think the angels have the hitting to stay strong the entire season although theres not much competition coming out of the al west.

the red sox have the al east pretty much locked up with the yankees being maybe a few wins worse than '07.

as for our division well id have to go 1. tigers, 2. indians, 3 white sox, 4 royals, 5 twins.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 6:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know if
I'd put the Twins that low. They still have Johan, but assuming he gets traded, they will receive a ton of major league ready talent.

by BustedFlush on Dec 4, 2007 6:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wake me when...
the White Sox trade the rights to the Charlotte Knights, Birmingham Barons, and the A-ball clubs for Santana, Bedard, Utley, and Russell Martin... and sign Andruw Jones.

Till then I'll be waiting for the train wreck that will be the 2008 season.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 5:50 PM CST   0 recs

I hate the Tigers
Fck them I hope that miller and maybin end up being studs.  Willis sucks and will get even worse going from the minors to the majors, but that lineup is absolutley filthy with Cabrera. I think it is the best of all time.  EVER
GRANDERSON
RENTERIA
CABRERA
ORDONEZ
SHEFIELD
GULLIEN
RODRIGEZ
POLANCO
JONES
They are going to tee off and jond danks and sucky Gavin FLoyd.  Kennny has to be ready to quit right now.

by rspata on Dec 4, 2007 5:55 PM CST   0 recs

i guess our only hope
is that the old players they have start to decline. but i guess the same could be said of our team. i wonder whats going through kenny williams' head right now?

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 5:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

larry i dont even know
if YOU could help the sox become a contender next year...

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 6:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

nope
there wasn't ever any realistic way to do it.

by larry on Dec 4, 2007 6:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Larry...
I thought you said that the Cabrera & Willis to the Tigers rumor was bullshit earlier today?  Guess not.

by SSH2005 on Dec 4, 2007 6:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i thought
it was bullshit because the trade is such a clear win for the tigers. i'm surprised the marlins got so little in return, especially when one looks at what is on the table for santana. and packaging the two of them together is generally not the best way to get full value. oh well. GMs still have the capacity to surprise.

by larry on Dec 4, 2007 10:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

it certainly is pretty sick
i said up above that it would make more sense for KW to trade all of his vets for blue chippers and try to build up the farm system for 2010 and beyond.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2007 6:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ugh
I hate my life right now.  I will always hate the Indians more, but this is brutal.  It's cool though, Fields will be better than Cabrera anyways.  Ugh.

by Raf on Dec 4, 2007 6:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Jocks
is definitely a weak link, but they have Thames to back him up.

To have only one chink in the armor ain't that bad. I think I'd rather have Thames than Jocks.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no ma