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No Fuku?

so says newsday's ken davidoff:

Another high-profile Japanese free agent, centerfielder Kosuke Fukudome, has narrowed his choices to the Royals (who have signed free-agent outfielder Jose Guillen to a three-year, $36-million contract) and Cubs.
Though other sources still indicate the Sox are strong contenders:
"The teams involved on Kosuke Fukudome are all cursing the Royals today. Jose Guillen's signing his three-year, $36 million deal raised the price for Fukudome, and left several teams looking for a Plan B. Both Chicago teams are in on the bidding, including a strong move from the White Sox, who don't want to miss out on yet another off-season target."
*****

Kenny isn't discouraged though:

White Sox general manager Kenny Williams says he's still trying to land a "big fish" this off-season. So far, free-agent center fielder Torii Hunter spit out the hook at the last minute. And on Tuesday, third baseman Miguel Cabrera also slipped through the Sox' fingers. While he's discouraged, Williams is not despondent. "We're still very much on pace to accomplish what we want to accomplish," he said. The Sox were longshots to nab Cabrera, who along with starting pitcher Dontrelle Willis, was traded from the Florida Marlins to the Detroit Tigers on Tuesday. But operating with a budget that Williams said is "flexible," the White Sox apparently still have the money to fill their biggest need -- center field.

...When asked about Japanese star Kosuke Fukudome, Williams grinned and said: "No comment."

I just opened SSS in my browser and saw a thread with more than 200 comments. So, I used 2 quick quotes that probably have already been covered to start a new thread.

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In other news,
  • Ozzie isn't worried about Toby's shoulder but Toby's weight, says Jose doesn't want to be embarrassed, and has a sure-fire plan for 2008: Things can't get worse. BTW, Ozzie thinks the Tigers got better after acquiring Miggy.
  • Jim looks at the Cabrera & Willis to Detroit trade. Kevin Goldstein looks at the 6 players the Marlins got. Nate Silver looks at how the Cabrera trade impacts the AL Central.
  • BTB on the Quentin-Carter trade.
  • Phil Rogers ranks the Sox last in the AL Central.
  • FJM on yesterday's Sox reverse. And some David Eckstein.
  • The Brewers signed David Riske to a 3/13 deal (20 with incentives). And they were close to getting Joe Crede last night.
  • More Hot Stove: The Rockies are interested in Iguchi and Julian Tavares. The Phillies are "more unlikely than likely" to sign Iguchi. The Brewers are also interested in Iguchi. -- No Scott Rolen to the Brewers? Maybe to the Angels that say they're not desperate for a 3rd baseman? -- The Dodgers asked about Bill Hall. -- Fukudome bidding to reach $40 million? Similar to Torii's deal? Boston is interested too? BTW, BP says "Fukudome is a solid OF who can play all 3 positions, is a plus defender even if his arm is affected by the elbow surgery, and is somewhere between Ichiro Suzuki and Hideki Matsui on the hitting side of things." -- Astros want C Nick Hundley from the Padres for Luke Scott. -- Rangers discussed Corey Patterson with Boras. Speaking of Boras, he wants a J.D.Drew-like deal for Andruw Jones from the Dodgers, who want to sign either Andruw Jones or Aaron Rowand.

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Is there a next move for Kenny?
or do we hold tight for now and see what happens come spring training?

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Landing a Big Fish
Is Kenny going after David Wells? I believe he qualifies as a whale.
"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Dec 5, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

crikey! look at the size of that pitcher!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

or by big fish
does he mean bringing tim salmon out of retirement?

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

could be steve trout
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ol' trout lives near my parents.
i don't think he's in any shape to pitch, or drive for that matter.
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2.5 months until pitchers and catchers report
he is available for speaking engagements...

www.stevetrout.com

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i live life to the fullest
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That one is old, bally
I remember it from earlier this year,  larry's Steve Trout info is like my "deck chairs on the Titanic" references - stale.
2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

really?
damn writer's strike. unconsciously slipping now.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

catfish hunter?
i remember charlie the tuna was a prized prospect out of the pacific coast league. not sure who eventually reeled him in.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

damn writer's strike
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I caught was this old
Oil Can Boyd.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Dec 5, 2007 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Kenny's reel
looks like a bird's nest right about now.

Cut it and start over, Kenny!

2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is like "last call"
Wait till we see what we wake up with

by Brush Back on Dec 5, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is any thought being given to
bringing back Tadahito? Is he available? I thought his numbers were better-than-average during is starting stint with the Phillies.
"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Dec 5, 2007 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I asked the same question earlier -
zero comments.  Probably too expensive for the valet that Fuku will need, but it's a thought.
2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haven't we beat this one to death?
the gist is what position will he play? center? maybe he's middle relief help. we certainly don't need any infielders.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Crede and Uribe are gone
eventually, why the hell not?  It's like Noah's Ark - we need 2 of everyone.  2 Asians, 2 African Americans, etc.  Someone has to translate Fuku, dammit.
2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

first thing is first
crede and uribe need to be gone.  whatever happened to that uribe to the nats rumor that was circulating??  odds are they didnt want to pay the full 4.5 mil

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was only sourced
by a dubiously disreputable (unreputable isn't a word apparently) site.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 5, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because it's a waste of money
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who says
Gooch can speak English?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Dec 5, 2007 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We need depth. We embrace depth.
We're two deep at 3B and SS, why not 2B?  Sign him!  Gooooooooooooooch!
"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 5, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for asking
I'm not on the blog 24/7, so I'm not always sure what's been asked before.

I'll keep my questions and comments strictly to how Kenny is doing a lousy job so far, how I'm miserably depressed, and how the Sox are going to suck for the forseeable future.

"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Dec 5, 2007 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now you're cookin'
don't forget jerry owens! 3838 and counting...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thats great
hahahahahah.  this site has provided me with tons of entertainment today.

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting site, larry
but is your comment in the highlighted region referring to JO or a tag line for yourself?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 5, 2007 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i report
you decide.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry is a website
mongrel, I mean mogol. He owns the website.

by ballyb on Dec 5, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(Buries head in his own lap,
like Will Ferrell on SNL.)
2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From MLB TradeRumors.com
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 1:17pm:

Jon Heyman suggests the Red Sox could get involved on Fukudome.  Where to put him?

It's a fucking conspiracy!!!!

by ballyb on Dec 5, 2007 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome is a smokescreen
Fuk Yu Fukudome, we don't need you!

Plan 1A is really Corey Patterson.  "We've had our eye on him for years, he grinds hard every day.  We need him.  We will embrace him."

"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 5, 2007 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

hahahahah
i had to stop myself from laughing too loud at work.

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

let's see you how much you laugh
after we sign him tomorrow.
"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 5, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

First spring telecast
I tell ya DJ, I really like what Kenny has done this winter.  He went out n' got us Corey Patterson to lead off for us, and this kid is just ready to explode.  He's got all the tools chuckle chuckle.  Man, he'll throw some leather at ya out there.

Oh, I gotta agree with ya 100% Hawk.

"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 5, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

50 Cent
might be enough to purchase Kenny Lofton.  

Kenny:
"Kenny is a legitimate Grinder, he is Chicago Tough and we can't get enough of that toughness that defines the Chicago people and Ozzie.  As I told you members of the media in September - you know me and I will not throw in the towel for 2008.  By signing veterans like Lofton, Linebrink and Cabrera we are trying to see if we can get this team any older.  We currently are looking at bringing Carl Everett back.  Do you guys have the number for Robbie Alomar?  I love that guy..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 5, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't laugh.
Our CF options are:

Corey Patterson

Willy Taveras

Rob Mackowiak

by ballyb on Dec 5, 2007 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and
a certain master of the leadoff position. how soon we forget.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(Continues to engulf himself)
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

plus
Coco Crisp or David Dejesus (after the Royals sign Jones/Fukudome) at the loss of Gio
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 5, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your crazy
The Sox don't have the minor league talent it would take to acquire Taveras.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your = you're
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sure we do
i heard from a reliable source the birmingham barons are on the block. all of them. the sox have decided to do away with some excesses in their minor league system, due to a lack of use and interest. KW was quoted as saying, "hey, we need to get the 50 cents from somewhere."
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that, Larry
that should be our AA motto:

if you can't compete, dont.

Trade 'em all, get KW 50 cents and a fountain pen to sign the transaction.

by HulkSmash on Dec 5, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fountain pen?
i think we'd need to throw in bristol for that.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I understand that Patterson
could be a reality. But if we snag him, laughter will replace my anger in the face of the Beckettian levels of absurdity.

by BustedFlush on Dec 5, 2007 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Egads, back to Plan B!
Patterson is a Boras client, oh no!

Does any other team in mlb have as many ironclad rules as the CWS?

1)No Boras clients, ever
2)Never pay more than fair market value for a FA (ie, FMV as defined by Jerry Reinsdorf)
3)No contract longer than 3yrs for pitchers (er, except for Scott Linebrink)
4)No no-trade clauses (er, except for Scott Linebrink)
5)Only pay slot for draft picks (see Rule #1)
6)Never offer arbitration to departing FA's
7)Only fast guys bat leadoff
8)Only guys who can bunt can bat 2nd
9)Always steal 2B with 2 outs

"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 5, 2007 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

10) No non-grinders
4)No no-trade clauses (er, except for Scott Linebrink)

and JD, and AJ

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain this
Can some tell me what this quote from KW means?

"You try to do things that make sense and you can afford," Williams said. "I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

LINK

by Brush Back on Dec 5, 2007 1:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We have nothing to offer anyone
who wants quality - nothing at all of value.
2010 - Slow Train Comin'

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm -
Guess Kenny just told us what to expect for '08 then

by Brush Back on Dec 5, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kenny only has 50 cents
please help. he just needs enough for a bus transfer so he can get home.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope but
per the story Rowand has an offer from KC

Link

The Cabrera trade could accelerate talks involving Sox attempts to deal third baseman Joe Crede and perhaps take another shot at free-agent center fielder Aaron Rowand. Williams, however, remained reluctant to give a five-year contract to Rowand, who is entertaining an offer from Kansas City.

by Brush Back on Dec 5, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

go ahead
and let KC have him.
in other news, jorge cantu is available!!!

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Non-topical (typical):
I am finally watching Ken Burns' Baseball and I've decided that Rube Waddell is my new favorite player of all time (I'm only on disc two).  Anyway, how do you guys feel about this documentary?  I feel that too much of the commentary is like "baseball is truly American because it is played on a diamond and the U.S.A. happens to be a diamond in the rough."
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Dec 5, 2007 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the subject matter
doesn't lend itself to the drama of the Civil War, which I thought was magnificent.  Seemed more like he was trying too hard to be profound and meaningful.

It's just baseball, Ken.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
it's still cool to see all the rare photos and clips that he found though.  And, BTW, I have been mentally adding in "and a hot plate!" to the end of everything George Plimpton says.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Dec 5, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked it a lot!
buck o'neill's satchel paige stories were awesome!

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re
here's one, I had posted it some time ago

[mlb.com]:

[Buck] O'Neil tells a story from 1942 about Paige and the Kansas City Monarchs. The team was playing the Homestead Grays in the Negro League World Series, and the championship was on the line.

With two outs, the Grays put the tying runs on base. Paige recalled a conversation he'd had a few years earlier with Grays star Josh Gibson, a teammate of Paige's at the time with the Pittsburgh Crawfords.

Paige called O'Neil to the mound.

"He said, 'You know what I'm fixin' to do?'" O'Neil recounted. "I said, 'Naw.' He said, 'I'm gonna walk Howard Easterling; I'm gonna walk Buck Leonard; I'm gonna pitch to Josh Gibson.'

"I said, 'Man, don't be facetious.' He said, 'That's what I'm gonna do.'"

Perhaps if this story had come from anybody else, it would be easily discounted as the tallest of tales, but how does anybody question O'Neil, a man who's watched more baseball games than any living person?

He was in the middle of this Paige moment to remember: Paige vs. Gibson, the "black Babe Ruth."

As Gibson came to the plate, Paige reminded him of that earlier conversation. Paige had told Gibson that he was the "best hitter in the world." Paige also said he was the "best pitcher in the world."

So the two best were now face to face. They had a championship at stake. Gibson was ready, and Paige had a point to prove.

"'Come on, Satchel, throw the ball,'" O'Neil, whose nickname was "Nancy," recalled Gibson saying.

And Paige's reply, O'Neil said, "'I'm gonna throw you some fastballs.'"

Paige did. He threw three of them at Gibson. Each harder than the one before it; each one a strike. Ballgame over.

Walking off the mound, Paige, who stood 6-foot-4, looked in O'Neil's eyes as if he were seven-feet tall.

"He said, 'You know what, Nancy, nobody hits Satchel's fastball,'" O'Neil recalled. "I said, 'I guess you're right.'"

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so is the white sox obsession
with "grinder" types comparable to the bulls obsession with "energy" type players ala noce, joakim and tyrus??

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 2:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
And it all comes down from coaches that were that type of player themselves and for some stupid reason think they are the exact model of a perfect player in their respective sport.  UGH.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Dec 5, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of tyrus
sam smith says trade tyrus and nocioni for gasol

realistic guys? will it help solving the bulls post scoring problems?

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i thought the bulls got shipped to the nbdl.
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say it again, since the door is open:
Orlando Ma-gic, Orlando Ma-gic!  Dwight Howard is an animal for God!
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuku news
will carroll says fukudome will decide today - someone, he thinks cubs, made a big offer.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BP chat
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We are now officially in no-win
territory re: Scrubs.  We don't get him, we're rubes (again).  We get him, we've overpaid and can't spend $ elsewhere where needed.

Painted into a corner.  Rats.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Kenny
Dig deep and show those Scrubs who the real player in town is! Get "Chicago tough."
"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Dec 5, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to get a player
who doesn't follow some White Sox unwritten prerequisite of finding enjoyment in chewing glass.

by HulkSmash on Dec 5, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone overpays
When a free agent signs with someone else the White Sox always believe someone overpays.  Everyone who comes in second thinks they judged the market right but some fool just spent too much.   The Sox are the master of not getting fooled and overpaying.  They forget the price goes up every year so the 'overpaid' deal looks great next year.  OVERPAY for FUKU!!!  It's one of the few moves that doesn't rape what little farm system we have.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Dec 5, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuku
will carroll says fukudome will decide today

the sun-times' flubs guy says it will be later

[gw]:

Enough teams -- including the Cubs -- have made preliminary offers to Fukudome that a deal isn't expected until well after the winter meetings conclude Thursday.

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

considering
the last deal will said was "almost done" is now not going to be completed until after the meetings (if at all), i think i know who i'll go with.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In completely fake news...
The Fake 1986 White Sox are a season-high 4 games over .500, half a game out of first.

Just don't look at their run differential. It will conjure up images of the beginning of the '07 season. (I'm trying to figure out how to optimize my bullpen usage. It's hard when you don't have any in-game control.)

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 5, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What happeded to the first
3 wins in a row?  You were in 1st, dammit.  I expect results.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries and terrible pitching
my pitching staff walks the world. And the team, which is healthy now, had a rash of minor injuries...

Tolleson had a walk-off walk in his first game back a couple days ago. I was about to put him on the DL too.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 5, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed...
that Carlton Fisk has caught about every inning of all 24 games so far.  Impressive!

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 5, 2007 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Freel?
Without having to give anyone major up, why not trade for Freel?  This guy had a really down year last year because of injuries, but has good historic OBP - .358, tons of speed and could bat in the leadoff position.

Total GRINDER too.

Or put together a package of Konerko and a couple of bullpen arms (Aardsma, McDougal, Sisco, Masset - or whomever) to get Freel and some prospects.  Reds have some good ones.

Reds don't have a 1B.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 5, 2007 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

joey votto
reds have him, he looks like he could be very good.

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bill james
projects votto to have a .900+ OPS in 460 AB this year.
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bill james
on your office shelf right in between your FRCP and california state court litigation for dummies, right?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

naw,
with fangraphs listing the projections, i can leave the handbook at home. and who needs state litigation handbooks when all you work on is federal appeals?
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i love fangraphs
splits, gb/ld/fb rates, iso and bill james projections all in one graph-oriented baseball stats site.  good times.
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 5, 2007 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If I didn't know better
From the name, I would think they were grown up picture pages.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 5, 2007 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

scott hatteberg?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hatteberg
Is 39 years old.  I think they wouldn't mind upgrading.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 5, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as mentioned
votto. they have two. one upgrade, one insurance in case the upgrade ain't ready.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty Baker is Manager
He doesn't play prospects.

Neifi has already been penciled in at SS.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 5, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty = Ozzie =
Bud Grant = Vince Lombardi.  Old school, baby.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so then hatteberg plays
whatever.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

quiet
been very quiet on the white sox rumor mill.  is KW depressed or still dumb-founded?

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 2:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's trying to kiss and make up with
Brian Anderson. He needs a CFer.

by ballyb on Dec 5, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bender in Nashville
After the Cabrera fiasco last night - Kenny went out on a Bender in Nashville and was last seen leaving an Oak Ridge Boys concert and heading off to Dollywood.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 5, 2007 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching his bobber
Waiting to land "the big fish."
"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Dec 5, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Post o' the day, gater.
If by "bobber", you mean his navel.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

does fukudome
mean "that fish which is larger than other fish" in japanese?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

im not so sure
kenny knows how to bait the hook...seems like all the big fish take a nibble and run away with the bait.
"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Way too much levity in this thread.
I still have my black and purple bunting out. I'm moving over to the whining only thread.

by ballyb on Dec 5, 2007 2:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's a wake not a funeral
Even bad baseball should be enjoyable...to a degree. I, for one, am interested in how bad the Sox will look in the next week:
  1. Fukudome to the Cubs
  2. Jones to KC
  3. DLS & Gio to BOS for Crisp
How low can they go?

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I, for one, am exhausted
Anyone got a light?
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 2:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Only if it's for barbeque
and cigarettes, damnit.
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 5, 2007 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
His work's meant a lot to me. I used be pretty pessimistic about things...

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"used to be"
If positive thinking could improve my typing skills, I might give it a shot

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

crede not to the brewers
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2007/12/05/iguchi-s-agent-expecting-offer-from-brewers.asp x

looks like they might settle on signnig iguchi to play 3B.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Iguchi already
turn down the Phils at the beginning of the off season because they wanted him at 3rd? Maybe something has changed that I missed )quite possible) or maybe the market is better for him at 3rd than it is at 2nd.

by HulkSmash on Dec 5, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Milwaukee
I think I read that he wants to keep his family in Chicago.  In that regard, playing in Milw is much more attractive than Philly.  He must not agree/care about the supposed lack of Asian community there (the reason Yi wanted to spurn the city).
Bears eat beets.

by Nordhagen on Dec 5, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BP says
they have a framework in place for a deal for rolen.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

weeks gonna be dealt?
maybe the brewers will trade weeks for houston street then?
"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 5, 2007 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

melvin says no mas
[js]:
The agent for free agent infielder Tadahito Iguchi made it sound earlier today as if the Brewers were so interested in his client that an offer would be forthcoming.

But Brewers general manager Doug Melvin just said he isn't planning at this point to make an offer to Iguchi, a second baseman who would make the move to third base if he got the right offer. Iguchi has played only second base in his three years in the majors with the Chicago White Sox and Philadelphia Phillies.

"I didn't want to make an offer until we were serious about pursuing him," said Melvin, who is looking at third base options that might allow him to move Ryan Braun to left field.

"We prefer to find a true third baseman, if we could. If we don't, we may go back his way. I think we've got to exhaust our other efforts first.

"We'd have to feel we were shut out on every other opportunity for third base, and just have to feel comfortable with making the move with Ryan to the outfield."

In other words, Melvin is intrigued by Iguchi but not enough to jump after him right now. He apparently wants to see if an established third baseman can be had before going after a player who would convert to the position.

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Crede
Trade Konerko
Sign Fuku
I'll be happy

by Raf on Dec 5, 2007 3:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Chicago Tough"
At this rate - that's what we are going to have to be to watch this team

by Brush Back on Dec 5, 2007 3:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kenny WILL get his big fish...
After all, he's the master baiter...
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2007 3:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's official...
Link:

Tigers get:
3B Miguel Cabrera
LHP Dontrelle Willis

Marlin get:
OF Cameron Maybin
LHP Andrew Miller
RHP Dallas Trahern
RHP Eulogio De La Cruz
C Mike Rabelo

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 3:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good luck competing with this, Kenny...
CF  Curtis Granderson
2B  Placido Polanco
DH  Gary Sheffield
3B  Miguel Cabrera
RF  Magglio Ordonez
1B  Carlos Guillen
SS  Edgar Renteria
C  Ivan Rodriguez
LF  Jacque Jones / Marcus Thames

And assuming they don't acquire another fifth starter...

#1  Justin Verlander
#2  Kenny Rogers
#3  Dontrelle Willis
#4  Jeremy Bonderman
#5  Chad Durbin

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot robertson
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DOH, it's even worse than I thought...
#1  Justin Verlander
#2  Kenny Rogers
#3  Dontrelle Willis
#4  Nate Robertson
#5  Jeremy Bonderman

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

worse? i suppose
that pitching is league average, at best. and backed by a poor bullpen. they better shore that up or they're going to need to score that 950+ runs everyone is talking about to make they playoffs.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you think that will be a problem?
Plus, the pitching (IMO) should be better this year, since Verlander/Robertson had lousy years compared to '06.  I agree that their window is closing (the Gambler is at least 50 now, right?) but they still look pretty darned impressive.

(PS  I think we can get larry to whinney/flinch like the horses in "Young Frankenstein" when Frau Blucher's name is mentioned by typing:

"Miggy and Willis".)

;)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i suppose that depends
upon what you view their 2006 year as - average or peak (verlander was better in 2007, anyway); same sort of thing with bonderman and willis (aka steve avery) and grampa is a whole nother story. at any rate, i'd be more concerned with the likely decline in offense from the guys who were already there. miggy and renteria (and i guess jones) will help offset that but i don't know if the people who are talking 950-1000 runs from this offense are standing on solid ground. i still think the tigers need to make some moves on the pitching front.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cabrera trade
[cdl]:
Sources say senior Sox officials -- including chairman Jerry Reinsdorf -- had been debating the merits of making a major push for Miguel Cabrera. Such a deal would've cost the Sox at least four of their top young prospects, plus the financial weight of adding Cabrera to the payroll. The team's decision was to go for ''the big fish.''

But the deal hit a snag, sources say, when the Marlins insisted on including Willis in the package. The Marlins also wanted a catcher in return, something the Sox couldn't offer. While the Sox were waiting for a counteroffer, the Tigers reached a quick deal that's expected to become final today. Cabrera and Willis will go to the Tigers, and the Marlins will get prized left-hander Andrew Miller, center fielder Cameron Maybin, catcher Mike Rabelo and right-handers Burke Badenhop, Eulogio de la Cruz and Dallas Trahern.

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't get
why the marlins wanted to package willis with cabrera. one normally separates players of that caliber in order to maximize value in return.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe interest in him cooled
as a stand-alone.  DUI problem this year, decline in performance.  Who knows?  I'm sure they tried.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a very weird deal.
Maybin and Miller are good prospects, but the other guys don't seem to be anything special. The LAA package for Cabrera seemed better to me, honestly. And adding Willis, as you say, is just strange.

If there are Marlins fans out there, I feel sorry for them. I was thinking Pohlad mightthe worst MLB owner, but Loria is worse. he took screwing up franchises to an international level.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd really like this deal explained to me
i'm just not getting it. i don't have inside info on those other three prospects - maybe the marlins do - but it seems like the tigers should be charged with larceny. i'm certainly interested to see how this one pans out for the marlins; they don't usually get taken in trades so i feel like there has to be a catch i'm missing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Miller is very highly regarded.  I've heard some people saying that he might be better than Willis already.

Willis doesn't seem to have much trade value at this point.  Isn't he a free agent after 2008, or am I wrong about that?

The Marlins save an estimated $20 million with this deal just for 2008, and that's a major concern for them.

Not that any of that makes this a good deal for the Marlins from a baseball perspective, but I was just throwing things out there.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 5, 2007 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

after 2009 for willis
i don't think the numbers bear out that miller is better than willis already - though i don't doubt that he will be soon.

i understand the money. they both were gonna get moved. but it's december. and everyone is looking for pitching (what else is new, right?) and willis is a pretty cheap #3 or so. i just can't believe that this is all they could get for both.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

any chance
willis is going to be freddy garcia circa '07 and mike sirotka circa '01?
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't surprise
hence the steve avery reference above.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends...
what you think if Willis.  Clearly, the Marlins didn't think much of him, if taking him was a pre-condition for getting Cabrera.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 5, 2007 4:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that is what we don't know
that he's damaged goods. it would certainly make the trade much more even if that ends up being the case.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Willis is Jose Contreras.
He posted a 5.17 ERA in a DH less league in one of the best pitcher's parks in basbeball. ERA+ of 83. For comparisons sake Jose Contreras had an ERA+ of 85. Interesting comparison. He had worse control, a higher HR and a higher WHIP than Jose despite playing in a much better pitching environment. In short he was worse than Contreras this past year. And he's going to be almost as expensive as Jose (probably 7 mill). He was actually a negative in this deal.

by bhoov on Dec 5, 2007 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

only saw five starts or so
but, while interesting, i don't think the comparison is apt. willis seemed to be having mechanical issues. now, obviously, that can certainly be an indication of physical problems. but it didn't seem to be a consistent "mistake" that would otherwise indicate a favoring of a particular area. and it also didn't look like his stuff had declined. further, i think we need to keep in mind that the defense behind him was putrid. like on a hilarious level. or, i guess, a sad level if you're one of the twelve marlins fans.

does it excuse the numbers? no. but, unlike contreras, i don't think he's as bad going forward as he was last year.

and if you think a salary that is over 40% higher is "almost as expensive," please, please be setting my compensation next year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Fish get the benefit
of the doubt here.  They have a wondrous talent for trading away established ML'ers for excellent young talent.  Who the eff (other than you die-hards) knew who Dan Uggla was before we became a star (OK, Ramirez everyone could see)?

I'd trust their scouts/talent evaluators before assuming they'd just been pantsed (like larry - sorry, this is just TOO much fun).

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sure
but it doesn't seem like they tried to shop him. they just threw him in.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 5, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he had
bad defense behind him, but a closer look at the numbers indicates that he was worse than Contreras last year. He actually had a higher LD% than Jose and a lower BABIP. A higher LD%, a higher HR rate in a bigger ballpark, facing a pitcher every 10th batter or so. He was basically getting raked. Now he has a longer better track record than Jose and he's younger so yes he projects a little better than Jose going forward. But that still doesn't make him valuable.

The fact that we can even engage in a serious discussion comparing Jose to Dontrelle should tell you all you need to know about his value. Actually the fact that he was a throw in tells you everything you need to know about his value.

The salary is not all that relevant. Would you trade anything of value for Jose plus 3 million? Now taking a flier on one of them at 7 million? Actually I wouldn't even do that but I could understand if you did.

by bhoov on Dec 5, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no committment to willis
$7 million is probably cheaper than what you'd be able to sign any pitcher of any repute this offseason and probably less years. if he stinks, don't offer arbitration and say bye.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 6, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I said taking a flier on him is fine
Free agents of Willis' present value do not require giving up any talent for. Only money. So yes as a flier where the only thing you're risking is money he's fine.

Trading talent for someone like that is a different story.

by bhoov on Dec 6, 2007 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pray tell
which talent is it that the tigers gave up? back-up catcher? a couple C prospects? you're pretty low on willis, obviously, but i'm failing to see what the tigers gave up here that is so precious.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 6, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what are you
talking about Larry? This is exactly what I'm saying. Willis is not valuable that's why the tigers gave up very little talent for him.

I think the tigers gave up exactly what he's worth (not much). I'm not criticizing the Tigers, simply addressing your question as to why they got so little for him.

In reference to his K rate I agree it's the same, but for some pitchers loss of command can be indicative of decline or injury as well. And if you look at his BB rate you'll see that's been increasing on a yearly basis.

by bhoov on Dec 6, 2007 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

look at his delivery since 2005
i found a carlos gomez article on it at hardball times - don't know how i missed it when it was published. markedly different. i don't think injury explains the changes because it's over too long a period. it seems like it was a concerted effort (corroborated by what the marlins were saying) to change it - and the results have sucked. there's a reason just looking at stats isn't a very precise way to evaluate a pitcher at this level.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 7, 2007 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Call it what you want.
The bottom line is that at this point he's a project. You have to hope that your pitching coach can fix his mechanics. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. He's a project who posted a 1.60 WHIP last year, and projects that make 7 mill just aren't worth very much in trade. That's why he has very little trade value at this point.

by bhoov on Dec 7, 2007 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i also took a look into willis' numbers last year
his K/9 is right in line with his career averages: '04 through '07 has been 6.35, 6.47, 6.45, 6.40. this suggests a loss of command, not a loss of stuff - which is the primary reason i think comparing him to jose, who has seen a precipitous decline in K/9, is not a good comp.

also, i read an article about how the marlins decided to change his delivery this year to one that (supposedly) was to put less stress on his arm. which would explain how he looked messed up everytime i saw him. he's a project for a pitching coach because fixing a delivery or reverting back is not all that easy. i don't have much of an opinion about chuck hernandez but we'll see how he does.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 6, 2007 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Marlins have a new GM, right?
Beinfast moved elsewhere in the organization IIRC. That might have something to do with it. It really looks like a salary dump of Willis -- but I still don't see why they wouldn't do that in another deal as you said. Maybe Loria just ordered his GM to make the trade...

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No catcher? No catcher?
Donny Lucy?  Man, if I'm Donny, I am nailing that article to my bulletin board and burning a hole in it with my eyes whilst doing my squats every night.  Talk about a motivator!
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

motivation will get
lucy about as far as arguing with larry gets ssh and jre.
Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 5, 2007 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Competing with JO for master of lead off position?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 5, 2007 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kosuke Fukudome...
If Bruce Levine's report of a 4-year, $55 million dollar offer being made by the White Sox to Aaron Rowand is true, wouldn't the White Sox also be willing to give 3-years, $42 million to Fukudome?  Afterall, it all evens out by yearly salary in the end and Fukudome has stated that he only wants to sign a three year contract.

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 5:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so...
The White Sox are a very risk-averse organization. As Cheat noted, they put money into players that have played well for them -- players that they know very well. They took Iguchi because he carried almost no financial risk. I don't see them putting a lot of money on a single player that they are unfamiliar with.

And anyway, the Cubs reportedly are willing to go over 3/42.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gah...I misread it
I thought the Sun-Times article said the Cubs would be willing pay 5/$90M -- it just says that's what it may take to sign him.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Avoidance of risk can be riskier
than taking on your definition of "risk".

Man, I am going to do a bong hit over that one.

Meaning one cannot completely avoid risk, especially in a situation that requires contact/engagement with others.  Define what type of risk the Sox theoretically are avoiding, and I'll give you the opposite side of the equation - the risk they are assuming by avoiding the risk you define.

So, frankly, they have done a horseshit job of risk avoidance and now are in the riskiest position - few options and flexibility.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Little flexibility"
Miggy and Willis!

(Whinney.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 5, 2007 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

luis gonzales
[MLBTR]:
Luis Gonzalez  has seemingly gotten lost in the free agent shuffle, but he did post a .359 OBP last year.  Gonzo's agent has actually talked to many teams (per Jerry Crasnick):  the Rangers, Twins, Giants, Rays, and White Sox.

by The Wizard on Dec 5, 2007 6:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Original source...
Link:
Clifton and partner Terry Bross said they've talked to Texas, Minnesota, San Francisco, Tampa Bay and the Chicago White Sox about Luis Gonzalez.

No doubt, Kenny's interest in old man Gonzalez ended when he acquired Carlos Quentin.  We need a CF'er, not a LF'er.  He is probably talking to the agents of Fukudome and Rowand right now.

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs interested in trading for 2B Brian Roberts?
"O's, Cubs talk Roberts deal"
Several baseball sources today said the Chicago Cubs, a frequent trade partner of the Orioles and a team that needs a left-handed hitter, are aggressively pursuing Roberts, the Orioles' lone 2007 All-Star.

One baseball source said that there is a three-player deal on the table that would include a starting pitcher coming back to the Orioles. Although no specifics have been revealed, the Orioles in the past have been high on lefty Rich Hill and right-hander Sean Gallagher.


The Orioles would then try to sign Iguchi to replace Roberts at 2B.

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 6:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cubs would give up upper-level prospects...
Link:
Rich Hill, originally thought to be part of a deal, is currently not in the discussions. Instead, Chicago likely would send upper-level prospects to Baltimore. Among the names being considered are Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher, Felix Pie and Donnie Veal."

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's their back-up plan
if Fuku doesn't sign.  Seems to me good news to hear specific plans in the works.  If the only news out of Cub camp was about Fuku, that'd mean they thought they were about to sign him.  Right?
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 5, 2007 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it as a backup plan
I think they're going for both.  Fukodome will only cost money.

And if they get both, they'll have the best offense in the NL.  Unfortunately if they gave up Marshall and Gallagher, their back two in the rotation would be Dempster and Marquis.

by CWSKeith on Dec 5, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly...
or they could start Brian Roberts at 2B and start Mark DeRosa in RF.

by SSH2005 on Dec 6, 2007 12:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Update...
The Baltimore Sun believes the Cubs could be offering Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton in return for Brian Roberts.
That's not nearly as attractive as the packages ESPN was kicking around. We like Murton, but he's not a difference maker, and Gallagher lacks top-of-the-rotation upside. The Orioles have no reason to move Roberts unless it gets them a top talent, and neither Gallagher nor Murton qualifies. Felix Pie does, but he's not on the table right now, says the Sun.
Source:  Baltimore Sun

by SSH2005 on Dec 6, 2007 12:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nationals extend Wily Mo Pena for two years...
Link:
The Nationals and outfielder Wily Mo Pena have reached a preliminary agreement for a two-year, $7 million contract extension, according to sources. Pena, 25, will get $2 million in 2008 and $5 million in 2009. He had the option of arbitration this year and could have become a free agent after the '08 season.

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

La Russa goes off on Scott Rolen...
Rolen is definitely going to be traded...
Cardinals manager Tony La Russa lit into Scott Rolen on Wednesday, saying "he needs to give back more."
La Russa appears eager to have a Rolen-free clubhouse. "The whole idea isn't to please Scott. It's to take care of the St. Louis Cardinals. I don't understand why he can be down on the Cardinals. I don't understand why he can be down on me, to be honest," La Russa said. "The idea is to accommodate the St. Louis Cardinals, our team, our responsibility to our players and to the competition. So, no, I don't want to accomodate Scott." Speaking about the rift that's developed, La Russa added, "I can't remember ever being the combination of mystified and concerned as I am about this situation." The Brewers, Giants, Dodgers and maybe the Angels have displayed interest in trading for Rolen.
Source:  Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

by SSH2005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Laynce Nix
DFA'd by the Brewers today.

I'd put a claim in on him today as a low cost centerfield option. I've always liked him. He's just never panned out.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/N/Laynce-Nix.shtml

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071205&content_id=2318316&vkey=hotstove2007&fe xt=.jsp

by krushcuts on Dec 5, 2007 10:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nix isn't gone... yet
The Brewers have already worked out a contract with Laynce Nix and will invite him to spring training if he clears waivers.
Nix was designated for assignment earlier Wednesday.
Source:  Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

by SSH2005 on Dec 6, 2007 12:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awsome
Sweet, we can have TWO Brian Anderson's!!! (sp?)  

by Raf on Dec 5, 2007 11:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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