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White Sox own AL's lowest scoring offense

The White Sox have scored 39 runs this season. 39 runs in 12 games. Currently, that ranks 13th in the AL in R/G, ahead of only the Angels, who've still scored more runs than the Sox.

I'm not one of the horde -- you know who you are -- that routinely calls for the head of Greg Walker every time the Sox have a dismal day at the plate, but watching the game against Cleveland on Saturday I couldn't help but notice the stark difference between the two clubs approach at the plate. The Cleveland right-handers were just waiting for John Danks to leave a pitch up and out over the outer half of the plate, driving the ball into right field. They might have had more opposite field hits in that game than the Sox have had in the last week. I don't think the Sox had a single opposite field hit in the game. Checked. Podsednik had a bloop double down the left field line.

I still think the role of the pitching coach is overstated by many -- It's ultimately the players who go to the plate with bat in-hand -- but when so many players have such a poor approach at the plate for such an extended period of time, it's time to start thinking about a change. The thought was in the back of my mind this weekend, which led to the posting of numbers you won't find on Greg Walker's resume, and now it's moved up the ladder of concerns about this team. I'll give Walk until May before I join the screaming horde wielding pitchforks and torches, but I've got one foot on the bandwagon.

Maybe surgery would have been the right call

Perhaps the most punchless member of the Sox offense, even moreso than Grinderstad, is Joe Crede, who has yet to have a single extra-base hit this season. Crede has hit .167/.240/.202 since September 3rd  of last year which just happened to be 4 days before he took a 4-game break to rest his ailing back. The pop-gun hitting Jason Tyner, a career .272/.308/.316 hitter, had as many extra-base hits on Tuesday night as Crede has had since the beginning of September.

Despite all the pop-ups early this season, I wasn't worried about Crede until the last few games. Crede's biggest strength as a hitter, outside of his power, is his ability to put the bat on the ball, and lately he hasn't even been able to do that. He's struck out 8 times in his last 23 at-bats while walking exactly ZERO times. To put that in perspective, he didn't reach his 8th strikeout last season until May 13th (33 starts and 122 at-bats into the season). Not coincidently, he was batting .320/.363/.566 at the time.

Adducted

The Cubs take a lot of flack for putting up with the constant injuries to Kerry Wood and Mark Prior. But I can almost understand keeping around players who, in the rare instance of good health, have the ability to put up dazzling numbers.

What I fail to understand is why a this organization doesn't take a similar amount of heat for bringing back a below average left fielder that has now had similar but reportedly unrelated groin injuries for 4 straight seasons. There's really no reason to own a Ferrari, as Herm Schneider has called him, if it spends part of every summer in the shop and needs to be kept below 40MPH.

The only thing I have to say about the game tonight

Whose farking idea was it to call for an 0-2 fastball to Sammy Sosa? Anyone who has seen Sammy since 2003 knows he'd be toast against MacDougal's slider. Sosa saw two sliders, and predictably looked terrible.

Anyone who has listened to Sammy Sosa speak, ever, knows there's not much going on upstairs. You can't try to out-think a guy who has just one thought; "Samme hit the ball far, Samme do it all for da fans." In poker, you can't bluff an idiot. In baseball, you can't try to fool one by grooving an 0-2 fastball. Lesson learned?

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MLB Radio on Sosa
During one of their shows today commented on how only an idiot would throw a fastball to Sosa when he's been doing nothing but waving at any type of breaking pitch... enough said, obviously someone else wasn't watching their pre-game videos today.

by Brush Back on Apr 17, 2007 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Also about the game tonight
Why on Earth would you use four pitchers in game that was so far beyond winning--and in which your starter finished out the inning?

by Dongfang Hong on Apr 17, 2007 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I could see
breaking in Boone in a low stress situation, get used to that extra deck he seems to hate. I miss hitting :(

by Hangwoofem on Apr 17, 2007 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playing lefty-righty with Thornton and MacDougal
Burned a reliever that didn't need to get used tonight. Using Thornton as a lefty specialist for 2 batters with the game already effectively out of reach was silly.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 18, 2007 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eye think Joe may have lost sight of his problem
Anyone but me noticing that Crede seems to squint when he's batting? Maybe the guy needs contacts. Is anyone seeing anything indicating a back issue? I think the team as a whole, for the most part, is swinging at, and hitting like crap. Are these guys not catching on that, when they are down in the count, the catcher is setting up high to sucker them into swinging at a high heater?

As for Pods, well I guess only KW and Ozzie didn't see that coming. Anyone want to take a guess at how many more games he plays this year?

And grooving a fastball to Mr. Cork, well that's what I'd call dumbassed.

I'm going to the game Wednesday to freeze my ass off. Let's hope they don't disappoint...again.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Apr 17, 2007 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

crede has always squinted
probably a habit he picked up many years ago. doubt it has anything to do with his eyesight anymore.

by larry on Apr 18, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

How did Crede do in Spring Training?
I would think that if it was a lingering injury that his number would have been bad there as well. I agree that Joe is the most worrisome hitter. He looks like toast at the plate. The same way Tim Salmon and, to a lesser extent, Garret Anderson looked when they started their precipitous declines.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 18, 2007 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey
That's two thoughts, and he had 3 (Baseball been berry, berry good to me) before those wacky fair play advocates started testing for steroids.

by Paxson Jackson @ South Side Sox on Apr 18, 2007 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I caught that
before I hit publish. I figured I didn't have readers sharp enough to call me on it.

Time for you to leave Pax. You're too slick for us.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 18, 2007 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just got home from the game...
I lost count of the fvcking pop flies by our hitters.  I was seriously dry heaving from some of our pathetic hitter's homerun/uppercut swings.  They are all doing it.  Crede is in total CredePopsItUp mode and I'm not so sure Josh Fields will be much of a downgrade at 3B now.

Thome's homer was a freaking bomb.  They said it was 440 feet but it hit the batter's eye on a hard linedrive fly.  That sucker was 450+ feet.

by SSH2005 on Apr 18, 2007 12:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie the Magnificent
"As long as Texeira hits in front of Sammy, he will be walked a lot by Ozzie Guillen," Guillen said.

I don't think I've heard a Sox PLAYER refer to himself in the third person, but this guy can't help himself.  What an ego, jeesh.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 18, 2007 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

snarky
"In poker, you can't bluff an idiot. In baseball, you can't try to fool one by grooving an 0-2 fastball. Lesson learned?"

i literally loled at that; nice work cheat.

by beautox on Apr 18, 2007 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

might have been worth it
I went to the gym after it was 2-1 to play some basketball so I missed the rest of the game.  Thats the good news, the bad news is I sprained my ankle.  Still, I'm thinking it might have been worth it.
Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Apr 18, 2007 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie Guillen managing a winning ballclub
is barely tolerable.  Guillen managing a losing team is infuriating.

I am really interested to see how low Erstad's average needs to go for Guillen to realize he doesn't belong on the field, let alone at the top of the damn order.

It really wasn't until the Santana game that I wanted Walker gone.  Santana was not a 1-hit pitcher that game.  He didn't have control, his stuff wasn't anywhere near the dominating stuff he's capable of.  And yet our hitters looked completely lost, resigned to the fact that "eh, it's Santana, what can you do?"

by chrome on Apr 18, 2007 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Something we're going to hear a lot
''Mentally, I didn't stay on,'' Garland said of the two homers. ''I gave up, and it showed.''

And who blames the guy? With an offense batting .222 and scoring 3.5 runs a game (bolstered by the runs they scored the first 2 games of the year, games they lost), these pitchers are going to lose their mental edge. This offense has got to be demoralizing for this Sox pitching staff--they finally put it together after last year's dismal efforts, and the offense gives them squat.  

by southsider80 on Apr 18, 2007 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Moving back the Gooch to #2 is a start
Pods injured...check

Erstads eventual reassignment to the bench...hopefully

I feel like I'm letting Crede and AJ off too easy.  

There are too many weak spots to list in this line-up, but I think a higher priority is to find someone someone with high OBP (not necessarily a speed guy) that could possibly lead off via trade or hit #2; I wouldn't mind Gooch being in the #1 slot.  Do you think KW would inquire about Theriot?  He's only played a few games in the OF, but can this guy play better than Pods in LF?  He's white with speed, so he's got grind-appeal that Ozzie craves.  And he won't receive much playing time once Ramirez returns.  The Cubs are probably boosting his trade value by playing him more regularly with Ramirez out.  If he's not considered to play outfield, I understand there is no point trading for him when we have Cintron.  

What are the options we have via trade?  We can give up some pitching...

by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 18, 2007 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm still confused about the roster...
I thought Rob Mack was signed last year to back up Crede and Iguchi, Pablo having proven in '05 to be inadequate (especially at 3B).  Cintron was supposed to back up Uribe and Iguchi, especially Uribe.  Pablo?  I didn't understand his role last year at all, and this year confuses me more.  

The logical thing to do is move Erstud to LF and start BA in CF (while moving the Grinder down to the 9 hole).  Yet because we're stuck with all these "spare parts", illogical placements result.

This is already a long season.  No, not on a ledge but I admit I went to bed after the Rangers went up 2-1.  

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Apr 18, 2007 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Spare parts...
I agree with moving Erstad in LF and BA in CF.  Can we get rid of some these spare parts and trade for a legit 'baseball player'? :)

by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 18, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Such a dearth
of position players in our system.

by ballyb on Apr 18, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poor roster construction
It's probably worthy of a diary. The Sox have a problem in that they have bench players they love (one of which starts in CF), but those guys don't fit well together. And, Pods hot start notwithstanding, you just can't have 2 sub .700 OPS OFs starting. You really shouldn't have any.

I'm not suggesting panic, but I think if Williams wants to compete this season he needs to shake things up and change the LF and CF situations. Could the Sox bring in someone like Willits for CF or Mench for LF? Anything like that is a longshot, and the Sox would have to pay dearly for a player another team is actively using. The one move I would absolutely make is to send Anderson down to AAA and bring up Terrero. Hopefully Brian could knock the snot out of the ball there and the Sox can package him in deal later this season.

The truth is that this year is probably not going to be a competitive one. Which is sad with a $100M payroll. But, it will be interesting to see what Buehrle, Crede, Iguchi, Dye, and Garland will fetch on the trade market. Hopefully those guys perofrm well enough to have some value.

 

by hitlesswonder on Apr 18, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fun with baseball-reference
Team batting line -- .215/.305/.338

Team batting line without Jim Thome -- .205/.(?)/.309

Somebody want to figure out the team OBP without ice-cream-cone?  I'd have to figure that it dips below .300...  

Suffice to say, I can't believe there's people actually bitching about Thome's production.

by CWSKeith on Apr 18, 2007 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

completely off the subject.....
OLD FRIENDS: Former White Sox right-hander Brandon McCarthy still has his good friend Brian Anderson on his mind, enough so that he admitted to trading Anderson to his new Rangers team in his Xbox 360 version of MLB '07.

Reunited once again, what did Anderson do in his first virtual at-bat?

''He struck out, and I even bumped up all his skills,'' McCarthy said.

by smarchitect on Apr 18, 2007 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Rangers would be a good fit...
The have room for a CF prospect. I don't think that the Sox would get anything for him, but it would be a great deal for Brian. The Rangers hitting coach is excellent -- could really help him out.

Pull the trigger Kenny!

by hitlesswonder on Apr 18, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im a big BA fan
but still I wouldn't mind him getting traded and becoming a great player and rubbing it in Ozzies face.
GO SOX!!!!

by marco054 on Apr 18, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about
we trade ozzie and let BA become a great player here.

by larry on Apr 18, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What could the Sox get for Ozzie?

Sadly, probably not much. But maybe some team will want a backup manager for the stretch run, or Mike Scioscia will blow out his vocal cords and go on the DL.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 18, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

even mike scioscia
realized the worthlessness of darrin erstad (or maybe stoneman) eventually.  ozzie is in a league of his own.

by longdrive on Apr 18, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

eventually?
hard to give someone credit for figuring it out after six years.

by larry on Apr 18, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now THAT sounds like a good idea!
I wonder what Kenny could reel in by trading Ozzie...a bag of balls??
GO SOX!

by rhythm on Apr 18, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds good
let the razor shines era begin!

by The Wizard on Apr 18, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little early to throw in
the towel (really) but I think we'd better get attached to the parapernalia we all bought in 2005, shine it up, and put it on the pedestal it deserves. Because it's a memory in no danger of being reincarnated in the near future.  Perfection doesn't come often, and it came in 2005.  We don't hold a candle to that team, and won't this year.

Ergo, watch what happens in July - White Flag, the Sequel!

Fook.  This is going to be a tough year.  Too many old and very young guys, not enough (good, healthy) vets sprinkled in.  We're going to be the 2006 Injuns - explosive one night, death the next.

Hope I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.

by winningugly on Apr 18, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sure you're wrong
only when does the explosive part come in?

I feel your pain. Unless something significant changes between now and June, we're in trouble.

And what's Ozzie talking about, this season long race? The only race we look to be in is against the Royals for 4th place. At least that's one I'm confident we can win.

by southsider80 on Apr 18, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mistake
I meant to say I'm NOT sure you're wrong.

by southsider80 on Apr 18, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by tailgater on Apr 18, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It looks nasty but...
...shitty offense will do that.  Chin up, pitching looks solid - hide those razors!

by ChicagoPete on Apr 18, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Pitching tends to look solid
when scoring around the league is down as drastically as it is right now.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 18, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure
but we're still middle of the pack in the league - i'd call that solid.

by larry on Apr 18, 2007 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think CLE and NY
are kicking ass right now - isn't that our main competition this year?

Cold weather doesn't seem to be affecting everyone the same...

Slap me, but if 2005 was "perfect" and we caught all of the breaks it would not surprise me to "regress to the mean" and have injuries/performance not just be average but more onerous this year.

Yeah, my head's up the proverbial ass rightr now.  Not feeling the positive waves.

by winningugly on Apr 18, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

12 games.....
We've had numerous stretches of 5-7 records over 12 games in the last few years. In fact, of course we've had much much worse stretches over 12 games.
Yes, it's frustrating, but eventually these guys will hit (well escept maybe Erstad). Probably not like last year, but better than '05.

I'll be at the game tonight.

Go Sox!

by bhoov on Apr 18, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Anybody going tonight?
I'm in either 316 or 318, thank God I'll be able to scoot indoors when necessary.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Apr 18, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll be there...
...freezing my ass off right behind the bullpen.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 18, 2007 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a regenerate,
as opposed to Erstad, who is a DEgenerate.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 18, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pssh. Erstad grinded his ass off every day.
He just hustles a new one back on the next morning.

by Dongfang Hong on Apr 18, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

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