Danks vs. McCarthy Pt.1
Through the first 20% of the season
W/L IP K BB WHIP ERA BAA
Danks 1-4 35.1 28 11 1.30 4.33 .254
McCarthy 3-4 31.1 16 16 1.76 6.89 .300
So far so good for KW.
Buuuuut:
AB AVG HR RBI STATUS
Brian Anderson 17 .118 0 0 demoted
Chris Young 120 .250 6 17 starting CF D'Backs
It's true. The Sox offense does suck. But would anyone prefer B-Mac to Javier Vazquez?
W/L IP K BB WHIP ERA BAA
Vazquez 3-2 38.1 33 11 1.07 3.52 .216
McCarthy 3-4 31.1 16 16 1.76 6.89 .300
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From a BP chat w/ Bryan Smith today
Bryan Smith: I've watched almost all of Danks starts this season, and I've been really impressed. His W-L record is not at all indicative of how he's pitched -- Danks pounds the zone with his stuff, has good control, and can strike hitters out consistently. He's better than Brandon McCarthy and a big haul for Kenny Williams.
I'm with Phil Rogers
by Paxson Jackson @ South Side Sox on May 12, 2007 9:00 AM CDT reply actions
spengler
Vazquez actually replaced El Duque in the rotation, and Danks replaced BMac who replaced Garcia.
The Young/Anderson debate is fine straight up, but there was a lot more to all those moves. Also, right now it would be Erstad vs Young. Who would you take?
If you include BMac at all, you have to include Danks AND Masset.
Also, the stats still don't tell the whole story. Danks could get hammered the 2nd time thru the league and BMac could start throwing shutouts.
If you look back at the Young trade, at the time, he was expendable for an arm like Vazquez. Now the Sox have Vazquez locked up for several years at a very reasonable price.
The Danks/BMac trade is still too early to assess. It does look like the Sox have the clear edge, but that can change pretty quick based on their performances.
the problem
thanks for picking up on the crux of my post
1.The Sox have 2 guys in the minor league system who can take over in CF: Chris Young and BA.
2. The Sox bet that BA can do the job.
These organizational assessments fuel the Rowand trade, the Vazquez trade and then, consequentially, the B-Mac trade. I see it all as flowing from the one decision to entrust BA with CF, a decision that Ozzie seems to have sabotaged. Thoughts?
i agree about the young and rowand deals
you are correct
From there, it was perceived that the Sox could deal from a position of strength to a league starving for starting pitching. As tdogg correctly pointed out, it seems that KW felt "more comfortable" dealing McCarthy at that point. I would add that it ultimately became more of a requirement than a comfort, considering the need to unload Freddy, who was in the last year of his contract and appeared to be fading.
As such, Chris Young was the crown jewel of the "El Duque for Vazquez" trade (remember the howls from prescient posters like Landfill on this very site?) and led directly to the situation that resulted in, nay, required, the acquisition of Danks.
Ozzie sabotaged BA?!
If Ba is set, then the sox can sign Ichiro for RF. That way, the sox can work two young guys in Sweeney and BA into the OF.
by cfisk72 on May 13, 2007 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
tellin yall its sabotage
he caught fire in July, hit well through august and looked like he turned it around, then fizzled back down to his 1st half performance in september.
i do think he deserved more than 17 at bats this season, since the guy prevents a run just about every game.
by Gus on May 13, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Power Outage
I believe
One thing though Young is on the way up numbers wise. I believe he will have great rookie numbers at the end of this year.
However I am more than happy with Danks.
Vazquez + Anderson...
This breakdown seems simplistic, though.
You're kidding, right?
Yes it is. Young has struggled so far this year, and he's still slugging .475 with an OPS around .775. His OPS+ is pretty much league average at 96. Anderson isn't close to the player Young is.
There's a reason they call them prospects...
I will give him four months. I'll give him four years. But it's far from a sure thing he'll make it. Heck, look at Connor Jackson or Carlos Quentin on his own team...
Sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. Anderson might, Young might.
We'll see.
by Stealfirstbase on May 12, 2007 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Young
BA will never be better than league average at the plate, Jaby Basquez will never be much better than a league average pitcher, and for a fly ball pitcher like B-Mac Arlington certainly will not help him for the next 5 years.
There was no way to predict the future when KW traded C.B. Young, and Vazquez definitely helped the '05 Sox win the World Series. However, trading C.B. Young will haunt Sox fans and KW for his entire career.
I have no idea how this poll is as one-sided as it is right now. If you just look as those four players right now, and factor out all of the other moves and trades, B-Mac and Chris Young are the better combination. Anybody who argues otherwise is drinking the KW Kool-Aid.
No, I don't...
And yes, prospects are prospects, but you're making it seem like there's no difference between Young and Anderson. You'd have to be mentally inept to take Young over Anderson at this point.
Whew!
by Stealfirstbase on May 13, 2007 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
You sure seemed to imply it
Maybe you're not going so far as to say you'd rather have Anderson, but the difference between Young and Anderson is huge.
The difference b/t their potentials, sure.
Yes, Young is more valuable. But they're both crapshoots.
by Stealfirstbase on May 13, 2007 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
by Paxson Jackson @ South Side Sox on May 13, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
funny story
why couldnt we have...
by Gus on May 13, 2007 10:47 AM CDT reply actions
Young trade cost us 2006 season
Who are...
by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions

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