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2008 Free Agent Outfielder Survivor

With the Sox's black hole in left field, there's been a lot of talk around here about the tantalizing outfield options that will be hitting free agency after the season.  So I decided to take a look at who's available and try to break down who fits best with the Sox.  First, here's the list of '08 free agent OFs:

Left fielders
Eric Byrnes (32)
Adam Dunn (28) - $13MM club option for '08
Geoff Jenkins (33) - $9MM club option for '08
Luis Gonzalez (40)
Barry Bonds (43)
Brad Wilkerson (31)

Center fielders
Ichiro Suzuki (34)
Andruw Jones (31)
Torii Hunter (32)
Eric Byrnes (32)
Corey Patterson (28)
Milton Bradley (30)
Aaron Rowand (30)
Mike Cameron (35)
Kenny Lofton (41)

Right fielders
Jermaine Dye (34)
Bobby Abreu (34) - $16MM club option for '08
Ichiro Suzuki (34)
Milton Bradley (30)
Geoff Jenkins (33) - $9MM club option for '08
Trot Nixon (34)
Jose Guillen (32) - $9MM club option for '08
Shawn Green (35) - $10MM club option for '08
Eric Hinske (30)

Now that we have the list, let's play some Survivor and start voting these guys off White Sox island.  20 will enter, only one will remain.

20
Let's get rid of Barry Bonds first.  Not just because everyone hates him, but because paying $16 million for one year of a 43-year-old outfielder who should really be a DH doesn't make sense for the Sox.

19
Then I think we can reasonably eliminate Luis Gonzalez and Kenny Lofton for being too old.  The Sox don't want to become the Midwest Giants.

17
And next we'll vote off Shawn Green and Mike Cameron for being pretty old and not that good anymore.

15
That brings us to guys like Wilkerson, Patterson, Bradley, Nixon, Guillen, and Hinske, who are either declining, injury prone, crazy, and/or career underachievers/just not that good.  Although some team will probably hit the jackpot and get a productive year out of one of these guys at a reasonable cost, the Sox's outfield situation doesn't really call for a gamble on a question mark like one of these guys.

9
Then there's Adam Dunn, Geoff Jenkins, and Bobby Abreu, all of whom are intriguing options but are almost guaranteed to have their club options picked up for 2008.  It's possible if Abreu continues to struggle this year that the Yankees decide to bail on him and let Melky play, but for the purposes of this analysis, let's assume he re-signs and drop all three of these guys from our consideration.

6
That leaves us with Ichiro, Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, Jermaine Dye, Eric Byrnes, and legendary White Sox pie-bringer Aaron Rowand.

To make the first cut, it seems obvious to compare Byrnes and Rowand, who seem like similar players:

Byrnes will be 32 at the beginning of the 2008 season, has a career OPS+ of 100 and RC27 of 5.12, and can adequately play all three outfield positions.

Rowand will be 30 to start the '08 season, has a career OPS+ of 103 and RC27 of 5.16, plays excellent centerfield defense, and is legendary among Sox fans for his grit, hustle, leadership, team spirit, and clubhouse bonhomie.

Basically, they're the same player, and likely to cost the same, but Rowand is younger and his return would be a hit with many Sox fans.  So Byrnes can surf off the island.

5
But Rowand is still low man on the totem pole, so now he has to survive a comparison with Torii Hunter.  Hunter will be 32 to start '08, has a career OPS+ of 104 and RC27 of 5.18, and plays Gold Glove centerfield defense.  Surprisingly, Hunter has not been that much more productive than Rowand.  Rowand even has 5 more Win Shares since 2004 (58-53).  So, considering that Hunter is likely to cost far more than Rowand for similar production, Rowand wins again, and his legend grows.

4
But now he has to face a fellow 2005 White Sox hero in Jermaine Dye.  Jermaine will be 34 next season, has a career OPS+ of 110 and RC27 of 5.82, and appears to be a rapidly declining defensive outfielder headed for DH duty in the near future.  So, Dye is obviously the superior offensive player to Rowand, but his declining skills in the outfield, age, and likely cost (a least double what Rowand would cost per year) all weigh against him.  In this case, the Sox avoid being saddled with a large contract for an ageing player and choose Rowand once again.

3
Note: I'm not one of these crazy Rowand fans.  I'm as surprised as anybody that he's made it this far.  So let's end this nonsense and compare Rowand to Andruw Jones:

Jones will also be 30 next season, has a career OPS+ of 117 and RC27 of 5.92, and plays what is now overrated but still good centerfield defense.  Jones has 74 Win Shares since '04 compared to Rowand's 58.  Also, Rowand's most similar players are guys like Carl Everett, Shea Hillenbrand, and Mike Lamb, whereas Jones's are Frank Robinson, Eddie Mathews, and Johnny Bench.  In terms of past and likely future production, there's no comparision.  But what about the money?

A realistic contract for a player of Rowand's caliber would probably be something like 4 years/$24 million, whereas Jones will be looking for Carlos Lee/Soriano-type money, along the lines of say 7 years/$120 million.  Considering Jones's questionable conditioning habits over the years, I don't have much doubt that this contract would be an albatross by 2011, by which time Jones will have been shifted to a corner outfield spot, diminishing the value of his production.  I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Rowand is the better value in terms of future roster construction and financial flexibility.

2
Finally, there's Ichiro.  34 in 2008, career OPS+ of 120 and RC27 of 6.35, and excellent defense in both right and centerfield.  84 win shares since 2004.  The only true leadoff hitter on this list and, to me, unquestionably the best all around player.  So let's talk money.  Like Jones, Ichiro will also demand Lee/Soriano-type dollars.  One thing that might be more flexible are the years of the deal, because of his age.  Even still, you're probably looking at a 6 year contract worth about $100 million for a player who will be 40 years old when it ends.  Unlike Jones, though, Ichiro's conditioning is impeccable, as is his batting eye, and, even as age begins to slow him down, he should be able to adjust his hitting approach somewhat to add a little power, which we've all seen him flash.

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So here the incredible journey of Aaron Rowand ends.  Ichiro earns the title of Sole Survivor and joins the crew of the Pale Hose 8.

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Hard for me to believe....
the Mariners would let Ichiro go, but I'd be interested to learn whether he and Iguchi are buddies....that could mean something.

by stanchar on May 27, 2007 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they're not
and i don't think it has anything to do with "letting." ichiro has said if the mariners don't show signs of actually becoming competitive, he's gone. they've got a nice bullpen and they've got king felix but other than that it's not all that hopeful for a quick revival.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 27, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone see the Reds as a potential trade partner?
Kenny has flirted with Griffey Jr in the past, and Dunn also could be a target.....

We seem to have a lot they'd be interested in...

by stanchar on May 27, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the question is...
Would the Sox be willing to part with what the Reds are interested in

by jeeves on May 27, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Ichiro
I think he'll age well because of the incredible shape he keeps himself in.  IIRC, he's also been rated a very strong defender in CF in his time out there.  Having Ichiro will satisfy Ozzie's need for a true leadoff man, and then we can focus on getting a real left-fielder with good power while putting Sweeney in RF.  

As far as Anderson -- hopefully he tears up AAA the rest of the year and the Marlins like him enough to give us a decent prospect for him.

by CWSKeith on May 27, 2007 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
A leadoff hitter with a good glove in CF would be great. And I would hope the Sox sign or trade for a LF with power to offset the loss of Dye.

by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My "off the cuff" plan...
would be to trade for a good outfielder while sticking Fields at third next year.

by CWSKeith on May 28, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Anderson tears up AAA
or does reasonably well, you're looking at him in CF, Sweeney in LF and Ichiro in RF.

Another option would be putting Fields in LF, Ichiro in Cf, and Sweeney in RF. Fields will be ready for the bigs in 2008, either at 3b or LF.

With an Ichiro signing, the sox could afford working some rooks into the lineup while still competing for the playoffs.

by cfisk72 on May 28, 2007 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there's anyone who could age like Ricky...
Henderson, it's Ichiro.  I don't like giving up that much money to anyone, but I think Ichiro could make it almost worth it.  The problem is that still leaves us an outfielder short, because we'll let JD go in all likelihood.  The other problem is that it leaves us fairly punchless in the OF if we assume that Sweeney's ETA is '08.  Between the 2 of them, that's probably 25 total HR.  They'd make a good defensive duo, but someone needs to mash.  It seems to me we still need another OF.  Konerko and Thome are going to age quickly and Crede might be gone.  AJ too.  We are going to have to draft really really well this year and next.

by colintj on May 27, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'LL BET ROWAND'S BACK WITH THE SOX IN 2008
Rowand will be back. He's affordable and it's mutual.

The Sox will not pay for Ichiro - nor should they. He's getting long in the tooth. And, most likely Iguchi will be gone so there's no more Japanese connection.

I think that the Sox should sign Rowand and add atleast one more GOOD young outfielder thru the trades of Dye, Buehrle, Pods, Anderson, Uribe, Contreras, Crede etc.

by White Sox Randy on May 30, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ichiro or Hunter, hands down
How can you bypass Hunter in favor of Rowand?  Sox will have a bit of $ to spend next year, and Torii is younger, a righty (to combat the plethora of lefties we can't hit), African-American (to replace JD), and a better fielder (yes, I said it) with better power numbers.

Give me Hunter, you Twins haters (I don't like 'em either) or Ichiro - please leave the rest (and do NOT even consider A. Jones).

by winningugly on May 30, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rowand over Hunter
I was using Rowand more as a league average foil to the big names because it's fun to add to his legend.  But in the Hunter comparison, Rowand is 2 years younger and has provided remarkably similar offensive production to Torii (which surprised me, too, but you can look it up).  He'll also likely make half as much money and demand fewer years.  

So the choice isn't so much Rowand or Hunter (in a vacuum I'd take Hunter, too), it's Rowand + $6-7 million a year to spend elsewhere vs. Hunter.  In that scenario you could sign Rowand, trade Crede, and have enough money for Buehrle.

by Ryno on May 30, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aaron
is the only guy on that list who I think can realistically come to the sox and actually help in the long term. And he's a fan favorite, which can't hurt when you're about to take a hit in the standings for a few years.

ichiro-- will cost way too much $$$, if the yankees or other big $$$ teams want him they're going to buy him. And with the yankees getting handed their heads this season, they'll be spending like nobody's business this offseason. (talk about another team ready to dump older, injury-prone talent.)

teams can't really build around free agents though, you have to pick these guys up to fill in the gaps of a good nucleus or you're just wasting your money. look how the tigers picked up rogers and mags, or how we picked up AJ and JD for '05.

the sox nucleus is the problem. it might be better to look for what free agents are available for 2009 and look to build a strong, young nucleus starting now. save the free agent $$$ for 2009. there are teams who need some help now and are willing to give up good prospects who will be ready in 1-3 years to get that help.

But I don't see any trades getting done until about the end of June, when GM's around the league know who's contending for this year and who's shopping for the future.

great thread BTW.

by ruffster on Jun 1, 2007 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

an important question for 2008 and beyond...
... is who is going to manage this team? can ozzie sit tight for a couple of lean years and be part of building a new contender?

if ozzie can't be the guy, who do you get? i don't see any current sox coaches in the running.

do you get some retread manager from elsewhere? not a real exciting possibility.

or a new guy, hopefully with a sox connection of some sort?

are there any ex-sox players currently managing/coaching in the minors someplace that are realistic possibilities? or any up-and-coming guys that could be a good fit if ozzie isn't a part of the future?

by ruffster on Jun 1, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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