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If I was an Angels fan, I'd probably hate AJ too

Holy crap, it's time for my once a year game recap. I wouldn't care so much, as I only saw the last half, but apparently Keith, Cheat and oz are slacking, so I'll throw my thoughts in here.

The Sox seem to actually be showing signs of life in the lineup. Six of the nine starters had hits, and one of the three without was Gustavo Molina. Granted, when I began watching the game, the Sox had two hits, and Bartolo Colon looked about as comfortable as if he was at IHOP on free pancake day.

Ryan Sweeney really impressed me with some of his heads-up play. I'm glad he's in the corner, and as he plays more, he'll get more comfortable with the pace of the major leagues while in the field. His arm is strong, and he's above average in the corners. He also has a nice swing that reminds me of Rob Mackowiak's in its look, but much more effective. His first hit was a bloop in the left side (boy, apparently anything up in the air was an adventure during this series), while his second, more real double was a nice cut to the right side.

Enter Anthony John Pierzynski.

His first hit, the home run to tie the game, was a trademark Pierzynski pull into right field. His second hit was one of those bloops that we need him to get to be effective. Apparently the man will never get a full day off, so it's good he can take advantage when we do need to get him in the game.

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Lost beneath AJ's heroics were the performances of the pitching staff. While not great, Buehrle was semi-effective, and theroretically did enough to win a game with a  non-inept offense. David Aardsma appears to be coming back to earth, but when he gets ahead early, he is much more effective. As long as he throws strikes, he's golden. MacDougal got into a little bit of trouble with a leadoff walk, but Thornton pitched like it was 2006, getting two double play style grounders to get the final two outs. Jenks made us sweat for his tenth save of the year, but I suppose we'll take it.

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Brian Anderson had another two hits with Charlotte tonight, including a two-run home run.

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I'll try and gussy this up, as I haven't posed anything in months, but I thought an actual win needed a recap. Plus, Cheat won't have to type anything.

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Hopefully
BA sees enough at bats before Grindy gets injured and both Sweeney and him form a dynamic duo in their two thirds of the outfield.

by omnipotent grab on May 6, 2007 11:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I not sure
Brian can bat high enough to be recalled.
< 1.000 is not good enough. Love to be wrong.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was...
batting 1.000 at the beginning of the season and even that didn't cut it.  ;)

by joeforthree on May 7, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finals week for me
The only sports I saw today consisted of Larry Hughes missing jumpshots, Roger Clemens acting as Moses in Yankee Stadium, and Prince Fielder excitedly yelling at a man that he could eat as an appetizer.

And I saw the first couple innings of Lincecum vs Hamels, too.

Other than that, it's been the study of integrals, partials and a bunch of other math stuff that I can't see myself ever using in the real world.

by CWSKeith on May 6, 2007 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

mine was last week
and pretty much i watched no baseball either but we were suckin ass and averaging one run a game so it gave me plenty of time to study. sorry to hear about the math, my worst enemy
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on May 7, 2007 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finals
Nine page papers on the existence of God and agnosticism...

If there was ever a reason to be happy about bad baseball, that was it.

by Hazymania on May 7, 2007 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Busy weekend, too...
Glad to see I'm not the only one who has better things to do on the weekend than sit in front of the tube...

I did catch the Sox updates on my blackberry, however.  Wish I could have seen AJ's heroics.

by thekever on May 7, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

John Rooney
Another quick note...

When I can't watch the games, I try to listen on the radio.  Anyone besides me miss listening to John Rooney?  

Farmio and Singleton are really lame (but nowhere as lame as Santo).

by thekever on May 7, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Partials, integrals, etc.
You'd be surprised how often a basic understanding of calculus comes in handy...although I will admit that I haven't integrated the volume of an annular ring since taking calculus.

Mmmm....donuts.

GO SOX!

by rhythm on May 7, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

All you need to know
is the integral of secant squared.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
I saw about 10 pitches in the game. Sweeney's pop-up RBI through AJ's HR. Then the very last pitch of the game.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 7, 2007 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Efficient
like an NBA fan - the last 2 minutes.

by winningugly on May 7, 2007 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Twins...
without Mauer. Leveling the playing field.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2007 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Ah...
Nice to come in to work on a Monday morning on a positive note. The middle of the order still looks thinner than Kate Moss, but we scored some runs nonetheless--we even scored without homeruns, we EVEN hit a few doubles. Wowee-wow-wow! And yeah, I too am beginning to get Sweeney fever. Don't want to see him get rushed, but he looks like he's got all the tools and the confidence to be a real major leaguer. He's got poise, something I didn't see in Anderson, well, ever (though I like BA, he did frustrate me last season with his "I'm just happy to be here" attidute--he doesn't have to grind, just needs some focus).

So go Sox! Let's take it to the Twinkies.

by southsider80 on May 7, 2007 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Deep Breath, Sox fans...
it's officially "back off the ledge" time...

Show some support at the Cell when they return after the Twinkie series.  Doesn't look like they'll face the Rocket in a week, however...

by thekever on May 7, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

It will be interesting
if Sweeney continues to play well.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie's comments on Pods
"I had a feeling at the beginning of the year that this would happen."

If he felt this way at the beginning of the year, he certainly felt this way during spring training. If that's true, why was he re-signed?

I hope Sweeney plays lights out and ends the debate. It looks like Erstad is going to prove us all wrong and be grinderiffic this year. With Sweeney, Erstud and Dye patroling the outfield, they'll at least be strong defensively...if they can get the offense rolling, it will be a bonus.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bartolo
needs to make fewer trips to the buffet line. However, Hawk was just ga ga over his "Gordo Amigo."

Hawk: "That Bartolo...he's a great athlete...he can really field his position."

Great pitcher? Maybe. Great athlete? A little to David Wellsian for that. Great hair? Yes...if you're a fan of Chico Marx.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Freddy injured by equipment cart
can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

link

by larry on May 7, 2007 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I was about to post this
I love Gillick's response in SI. He sounds awfully dumbfounded.

These deals keep on looking better.

by southsider80 on May 7, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?
I don't get it. Was he shagging flies?

At 1-2 with a 6+ ERA, would he be missed?

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by tailgater on May 7, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get...
why the Chicago sports media was so fascinated with Garcia and so critical when he was traded away.  Did they watch him pitch last year?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the Chicago sports media. Of course not.
But they know he's a big-game pitcher.  He's clutch.  Obviously a gamer.

by Dongfang Hong on May 7, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the Phillies...
Anyone notice who's currently hitting .363?
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by tailgater on May 7, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good for him.
I only wish good things for Mr. Rowand.

He's hitting with authority, too - 8 doubles and five homers, as many extra-base hits as Crede and Konerko combined.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He remains, and always will be
a grinder.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

As much as...
he's overrated by a certain segment of Sox fans, I think Rowand is underrated by another segment.  Rowand is a pretty great defensive CF.  Not that I want him back on the Sox, but he was one of my favorite players when he was around.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would.....
I would take Rowand back immediately if we had the chance.  It only seems the folks who think he is truly over-rated are only looking at his fantasy league value.  They hate to hear this because it is an intangible, but the guy is a gamer.  If he keeps improving his hitting, one can't even make the hitting stats argument stick.  
teejay

by teejay on May 7, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we hate to hear about intangibles,
because they're statistically-disprovable garbage.  If something has no tangible effect over the tens of thousands of games played, then it is a lie.

by Dongfang Hong on May 7, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK......
Bold statement regarding lies. I guess you have never worked in a team environment where somebody was...Oh forget it with you, it is wasted.  We had great hitting and pitching teams many times for 80+ years that statistically could have or should have won championships, but they did not, while the '05 team did for some reason.  I take it that you were just joking about Garcia being a gamer then in an earlier post to try to show how clever you are.  I am beginning to wonder if this board is populated by a bunch of 15 year olds half the time.  
teejay

by teejay on May 8, 2007 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The average age here is 30...
15 half the time (as you said), and 45 the other half.
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on May 8, 2007 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to take a side for or against
either TJ of Fang (Hang? I forget...) but, intangibles are part of the game. It seems that alot of baseballphiles have become much, much too obsessed with the paper aspect of the game. As in, they've read Moneyball and some James and now pay tribute to the Holy Congregation of the Statisitic. Baseball isn't played on paper, as any ballplayer will tell you, and scoff at (as Konerko did when, what was it, Baseball Prospectus I believe had the Sox finishing with 80 or so wins).

Stats are important, but intangibles are a part of baseball as well, whether you can prove them on paper or not. To discount one or the other is to cheapen the holistic reality of the game.

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find it ironic that
you belittle sabermetrics--that is, a refusal to believe in anything but that which can be statistically demonstrated--by comparing it to religion.

One side believes in using the scientific method to compare millions of data points, in order to determine what is and what is not important.

The other believes in nigh-magical, mystical "intangibles" (which quite literally means not-observables) which are apparent only to those who believe in them, and which bestow upon players the ability to play at superhuman levels "in the clutch" and "get the big hit."

One of those is like a religion.  One is not.

by Dongfang Hong on May 8, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if you continued to read my post...
it wasn't a belittling of anything as I take both into account and make note of both the importance of stats and intangibles, so you're making something of nothing. If anything, I belittle those who have a one-sided view of the game of baseball and follow only stats, or only intangibles. But even belittling is a strong term.

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

what are we talking about here?
comparing stats to intangibles like they're on equal footing is ridiculous. even the most devoted intagibilista isn't going to claim that it counts for very much of the game. i'd say i'm generous in saying maybe 3% of performance could be attributed to it. that's such small amount that ignoring it seems appropriate - especially when no one, by definition, can actually quantify it.

intangibles make for fantastic copy. sports writers and managers and players get so much mileage out of it that you'd think it's a decisive factor. it's not.

Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 8, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone's making
an equal footing claim, or at least I'm not--can't speak for others. But it would be remiss to out and out discount all the intangibles that make a winning team, and I can say for certain that anyone who has actually played the game (emphasis on played) would agree. Clutch hitting, extra effort, heads up plays, funny bounces that cause errors, etc... Yes, stats are stats and they will much more often than not be the determing factor. If someone can make a compelling argument against that, I'd love to hear it. But you speak of baseball intelligentsia with dogma; there are also many out there who are baseball purists who do believe in an intangible quality to baseball--a unquantifible, almost mythic quality that doesn't exist in other sports. I'm more of a stats person myself, but I would never discount a fan's take on the game.

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry:
My bad--you said intanigblista, or something like that. I thought you said intelligentsia. Hence the above copy.

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure I have.
I also know quite a bit about confirmation bias and other glitches in human reasoning.  Graduate-level studies in cogsci do not a fifteen-year-old make, sir, and neither does a firm grounding in statistics.

by Dongfang Hong on May 8, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, if your proposal is that
intangibles somehow allow us to beat our pythag, well, that's just nonsense.  There's no player or group of players that consistantly beats their pythag.  As for postseason, again, no reason to believe that anything other than pitching, defense, and luck plays any role, looking at hundreds of postseason games played.

I understand the desire to make complex systems make sense.  Often random events seem to follow patterns, and it's the nature of the human mind to ascribe some sort of causitive force.  It's what we do best.  However, that doesn't make such beliefs correct.  

by Dongfang Hong on May 8, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who are you responding to?
Are there two Hongs?

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah...it's TJ you're replying to
looked like a dialogue was going on with yourself there at quick glance...

by southsider80 on May 8, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favorite Rowand Play
2005 season.  Sox vs. Tribe at the Jake.  June or July game...

Sox nursing lead.  Late innings.  Travis Hafner hits moon shot pop up to Scotty Pods in left.  

Pods does his best Al Jolson after losing the ball in the air.  

ROWAND, on dead run from CF catches the ball 10 feet behind Pods.  He was sprinting from CF the second the ball was hit.

One of my all time favorite Sox plays...

by thekever on May 7, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rowand...
has always been extremely heads-up in the outfield, and always took command.  You rarely (if ever) saw routine pop-ups drop in the outfield when he was around, and Rowand would constantly be checking in with the other guys on the field to ensure that everyone knew their jobs.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought of that one Friday night...
when the ball came down 20 ft. behind Erstad.  I was wondering why the hell JD didn't come flying outta nowhere to catch that one!

by defensive indifference on May 7, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because JD couldn't fly
if you strapped a couple of Pratt and Whitney's to his ass.  He's not Konerko, but he's no Ricky Henderson out there either.

by Happy Felsch on May 7, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ
Did you note his "tip of the helmet" to the Angels fans after the dinger? Fantastic.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

He talked about that with Mike North....
this morning.  Yes, I had Mike North on this morning, and no, I don't have any explanation.  Anyway, he acted like he had no idea what Mr. North was talking about when asked about it.  He did say, however, that he certainly wouldn't be in the wrong to be pumped about hitting a pinch-hit HR to tie the game, off a pitcher he's never come close to hitting before.  Haw!

by defensive indifference on May 7, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really...
there are two people that Angels fans should be booing.
  • Josh Paul, for not going ahead and applying the tag like they teach every catcher to do on a borderline drop, and
  • Doug Eddings, for seemingly calling Pierzynski out and confusing the hell out of the Angels infield.
Pierzynski did nothing wrong.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arguably
one of the most heads-up plays in the history of baseball.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And
selling it to the umps.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI - hard to believe!!!!!!!!!!!
Relative Power Index (taking strength of schedule into account). From ESPN.com       

2007 MLB RPI Rankings       

RNK     TEAM     RPI
1    Los Angeles Dodgers     0.547
2    Milwaukee Brewers     0.541
3    Atlanta Braves             0.535
4    Cleveland Indians     0.533
5    Boston Red Sox             0.532
6    New York Mets             0.523
7    Chicago White Sox     0.517
8    San Diego Padres     0.515
9    San Francisco Giants     0.513
10    Los Angeles Angels     0.509
11    Detroit Tigers             0.508
12    New York Yankees     0.507
13    Arizona Diamondbacks     0.505
14    Colorado Rockies     0.503
15    Baltimore Orioles     0.501
16    Chicago Cubs             0.499
17    Seattle Mariners     0.497
18    Minnesota Twins     0.497
19    Oakland Athletics     0.496
20    Florida Marlins     0.495
21    Tampa Bay Devil Rays     0.487
22    Pittsburgh Pirates     0.483
23    St. Louis Cardinals     0.481
24    Toronto Blue Jays     0.481
25    Texas Rangers             0.48
26    Philadelphia Phillies     0.477
27    Cincinnati Reds     0.47
28    Houston Astros             0.462
29    Kansas City Royals     0.46
30    Washington Nationals     0.451

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I like this one better:
RNK     TEAM             SOS    
1     Los Angeles Dodgers     .536    
2     Colorado Rockies     .530    
3     Chicago White Sox     .523    
4     Baltimore Orioles     .518
5     New York Yankees     .515    
6     Kansas City Royals     .509    
7     San Francisco Giants     .506    
8     Florida Marlins     .505    
9     Washington Nationals     .505
10     St. Louis Cardinals     .504    
11     San Diego Padres     .503    
12     Atlanta Braves         .503         
13     Arizona Diamondbacks     .502    
14     Toronto Blue Jays     .501    
15     Los Angeles Angels     .501    
16     Texas Rangers         .500    
17     Pittsburgh Pirates     .499    
18     Tampa Bay Devil Rays     .499    
19     Cleveland Indians     .497    
20     Seattle Mariners     .496    
21     Milwaukee Brewers     .496    
22     Oakland Athletics     .495    
23     Chicago Cubs         .492    
24     Minnesota Twins     .490    
25     Boston Red Sox         .487    
26     New York Mets         .487    
27     Philadelphia Phillies     .486    
28     Cincinnati Reds     .476    
29     Houston Astros         .472    
30     Detroit Tigers         .467

SOS
White Sox - 1st in AL
Indians - 9th in AL
Twins - 12th in AL
Tigers - Last in MLB

by RME JICO on May 7, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you can make it
look anyway you want. Where's yours from?

Get those math majors from earlier posts to straighten it out.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch the Cubs plummet
after upcoming dates with NYM, Sox, SD and LAD.

Hah!

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 7, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not hard to believe
People have said consistently they had a tough 1st month schedule and have pitched and defended well after the first 2 games. Hitting is just one part of their equation and Sox even gets a few points for the dingers (HRs can be misleading though).

The Sox are not out it in any shape or form right now which is why we need to chill out. (I know covered a length.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Pods out of leadoff spot
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/373561,CST-SPT-ssep07.article
''When he comes back, I've already decided that [Darin] Erstad is going to stay my leadoff hitter,'' Guillen said Sunday. ''I'm not going to switch Erstad back into the No. 2 hole. That way we'll have speed at the bottom of the lineup.

''I don't want to use Podsednik at the top of the lineup because all of a sudden, there's all this pressure to get on base, steal bases. This way, we'll use his legs a little bit less because he'll get less at-bats.

''I've talked to a couple of the coaches already, and when [Podsednik] gets back, he'll be batting seventh or eighth. The way Erstad is going about it right now, I don't think it's fair. I can use Pods somewhere else. Erstad can handle the bat better. We can hit-and-run, he can bunt.''

by Dongfang Hong on May 7, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Erstad is fairing better
batting leadoff rather than in the 2 hole. And Pods wouldn't be much in the 2 slot, so it makes sense.

So, sure. Whatever. I'm more concerned with 2-3-4-5-6 than the leadoff spot. Erstad's been the only consistent bat lately.

by southsider80 on May 7, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

As mentioned elsewhere...
if Podsednik isn't expected to get on base and steal, what the hell is he going to be expected to do?  It's not like Podsednik has a large skillset.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez...
did I really take that long to type my post?  Yours wasn't here when I hit reply... I wish I was doing something today so I could blame it on work, but that was just some good ol' fashioned slow posting.

by CatBrains on May 7, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know this has been harped on many times...
and though his .300 average before getting injured makes the argument a little more difficult right now... I have to ask:

What value does a non-"lead-off" Pods bring to our team?  Average to below average defense (in only LF).  Strike-outs.  Historically poor OBP.  No power.

Yes, these things have all been mentioned on this site time and time again.  The counter argument (which I think most of us found to be weak at best) was that he had speed which allowed for occassional infield hits and stolen bases.  Now management is basically admitting he won't even have this.  How can they possibly sell us a slow Pods over the alternatives (even if those alternatives are mostly unproven)?

by CatBrains on May 7, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie loves him,
although he did have a feeling "this (injury) would happen way back in spring training." Quite a seer.

I'm no doctor, but with the regular recurrence of these similar injuries, Podsednik is F-ed. The Ferrari will never be what he was at his best.

But it would surprise me if he's not trotted out there game after game, hoping against hope.

by ballyb on May 7, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The devil went down to California,
...he was looking for a game to steal:
In the "City of Angels," the devil was once again alive, well and breaking more hearts.

Hearts of Anaheim Angels.

:p

by The Wizard on May 7, 2007 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Halos Heaven's Quote of the Year
 
They will always boo me [here]. That's good. It means they have good fans, people who remember, people who care. It's good for the game."

--A.J. Pierzynski, quoted in the L.A. Times about Angel fans.

 


"Just because he took the Crash Davis course on baseball platitudes, that doesn't make him any less of a cheating little weasel."Stoopnocracy is peachy

by rspencer on Mon May 07, 2007 at 02:26:16 PM EDT

They also want to see AJ against Eckstein on TNA Wrestling! I love Angels fans!

by Son of a Milkman on May 7, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Angels fans suck
The game was tied in the 10th inning on a beautiful Sunday afternoon and half the park was empty.

Hawk and DJ pointed out how those poor Californians have to deal with traffic during the week (like the Stevenson is a picnic?), so they don't want to deal with traffic on Sunday as well.

The next camera shot was of the highway next to the park with free-flowing traffic as far as the eye could see.

Angel fan wussies!

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 8, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw Charlie in 1975
at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago with Lynard Skynard.  Charlie stole the show.

by Tim from Texas on May 8, 2007 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Free Bird!
I couldn't resist.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 8, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

more AJ
Asked afterward if it hurt his feelings to get booed, Pierzynski paused and in his best dose of sarcasm responded with just one word: "Tremendously."

and ozzie:

"Every place we go, A.J.'s not well-liked. We'll have to play on his mom's patio for people to start rooting for him."

by The Wizard on May 8, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

hahaha!
from the comments:

"Face it, in MN when it comes to baseball, most of us are idiots."

by The Wizard on May 8, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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