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Another shutout shifts focus to next year(s)

The White Sox have now been shut out the most times in the American League. They rank last in batting average, hits, runs, RBI, and extra base hits. They've had almost 100 fewer at-bats with RISP than any other team in the AL, and rank last in OPS with RISP. There is no mystery to the reason this is a bad team.

I didn't realize it until I found myself doing fist-pumps in my car and living room yesterday, but I haven't even cared if the Sox won or lost lately. The only difference yesterday was that I wanted Mark Buehrle to get his 100th win.

It's not that I'm no longer a White Sox fan, far from it. It's that I've already written them off for this season, and I know that due to the lack of young impact players within the organization the fastest way back to the top of the division will come through the strategic removal (through trades) of the impending free agents.

Sooner, then later
Kenny Williams has to move Jermaine Dye as soon as possible. Any more nationally televised games including him turning singles into doubles, doubles into triples, or showcasing his inability to get around anything thrown harder than 89MPH, and he runs the risk of more GMs realizing they're bidding on the Oakland version of JD, not the MVP candidate who resided on the south side the last two seasons.

Although as Phillies GM Pat Gillick proved in the Freddy Garcia deal, sometimes a GM will ignore all signs of a player being toast. (Garcia's MRI today revealed rotator cuff and labrum damage, which I'm fairly certain would have been discovered in December had the Phillies elected to conduct a physical.) Kenny shouldn't give Stoneman or Colletti or anyone else any more opportunities to have second thoughts about trading for a rapidly aging outfielder with a bad knee and a history of leg injuries. It would be pushing his luck to think he'd be able to pull a fast one on a GM twice in the span of just over 6 months.

Mark Buehrle, the other player who will draw significant interest as the deadline approaches, is a completely different entity, however. He should be kept around for as long as possible, if for nothing else than he's a fan favorite, and I would like to see him pitch (in person) in a White Sox uniform at least one more time. I suspect there are many others who feel the same way.

I can't imagine Buehrle repeating his post June collapse of last season. And with the exception of Atlanta and maybe the Yankees, I can't see a(n in contention) rotation in desperate need of starting pitching. But it's only a matter of time before more teams lose a starter to attrition and are looking for one of the most durable arms in baseball to plug the hole.

Complicating the impending rebuilding process is the Joe Crede situation. It was just announced that he will undergo back surgery tomorrow, presumably ending his season. As I'm sure all of you know, Crede is not a free agent this year. He has one more year of arbitration left, leaving the Sox with three options; trade him, non-tender him, or offer him arbitration and play him at 3rd next year with Fields in the OF or Charlotte.

I'm sure that entering the season the plan was for Crede to repeat his '06 then be shipped off to a team in need of 3B (Anaheim, perhaps) in the offseason, with Fields taking over the hot corner in '08. Crede's terrible start while battling his ailing back and impending surgery have probably removed the possibility of a large haul in any trade. It even removed the possibility of receiving two compensation picks since Crede will not be able to attain Type A status even with a great '08.

Crede will be the third likely-departing player (Frank after '05, and Maggs after '04) to have an injury derail the Sox opportunity to fully utilize the collective bargaining agreement's compensation for lost free agents. Recently, the scouting department has taken a (deserved) beating for their inability to produce major league talent, but the system would look a whole lot better if the Sox were able to gamble by offering Frank and Maggs arbitration. They would have had 4 extra picks in the '05 and '06 drafts between 15 and 50. To put that in perspective, the White Sox top three prospects Josh Fields (18th overall in '04), Gio Gonzalez (38th in '04), and Ryan Sweeney (52nd in '03) were all taken between 18th and 52nd. If the farm system had 4 more players of that caliber, the Sox future would look far brighter than the current situation.

I imagine most of the conversation around here for the remainder of the season will no longer be about win and losses, roster decisions, or managerial moves, shifting instead to rumors, prospects, and focusing on how this team can get better in the medium to long term.

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On Garcia
Here's what we wrote on April 4th of last year
I'm not ready to write Garcia off completely, and neither is Ozzie, who says he's fine. But Garcia's got a short leash with me in his next outing, and if he isn't picking up some MPH then he needs to go in for an MRI.
Refusing to give Freddy the proper medical care that he deserved -- though tough guy Freddy bears a large part of the blame -- actually helped in this case.

It's a requirement to submit all of the players latest medical tests/results to a team during a trade. That Freddy didn't have an MRI in his file showing half of his shoulder missing made him tradeable to the right (read: dumb) team. Kenny was able to claim that to the best of his knowledge Freddy was 100% healthy. I mean he just threw 200+ innings for a 90 win team. How couldn't he be healthy?

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2007 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Channeling Dwight Schrute...
Question:  I know you weren't a huge fan of the Garcia deal -- actually, your exact words were, "It's not a terrible deal, but since I can't see how it immediately improves the '07 team, I'm not exactly excited." -- but has your opinion of the Garcia deal changed at all?  I know it's not really fair to judge a trade in hindsight, but I'm still interested in your thoughts.

by CWSKeith on Jun 12, 2007 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
I hate Gavin Floyd, and I wanted Garcia traded before last July 31st. The Mets were the perfect partner, and I'd rather have Milledge and Pelfrey (we were asking for Hielman too) right now than Gio and Floyd.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 12, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really think...
the Mets would have given up Milledge and Pelfrey for Freddy Garcia?  Somehow I'm skeptical.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 12, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball Prospectus
I'm wondering if BP will crow about their 72 win projection being right. I think it will be a good test of their intellectual integrity, in that I believe their projection was based on the pitching being essentially league-worst and the hitting mediocre. Reality of course is something like the reverse with league worst hitting being the main problem. So, unless I'm misremembering the numbers, I still will not award BP any merit for their projection. Sad when all I have to cling to is a defiant proclamation that although the Sox suck, they suck for a completely different reason than the baseball intelligentsia thought they would.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 11, 2007 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
people hate statistics. PECOTA wasn't kind to the pitching or hitting, and it's doubtful Nate Silver is going to do any chest puffing over it. There's plenty of horseshit baseball to be played too.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 12, 2007 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate stats...
And I don't even particularly dislike BP. But it's clear that BP prefers to think of themselves as a bastion of light in a land of baseball darkness and they like to let everyone know that. It appears that 2 of the last 3 years PECOTA will have significantly underrated the Sox starters (except Vazquez which it routinely overrates). I was just wondering if they would acknowledge that. Plus I'll also admit I don't like it when non-Sox fans criticize the Sox...that should be left up experts who have long experience doing so.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 12, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make a good point
about a computer program not being a Sox fan. PECOTA has been wrong about the Ozzie-era White Sox before, but any prediction system is grain of salt worthy. Buehrle and Garland are often underrated because (simple and short answer) they don't K many batters, and that's worthy of some looking in to.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 12, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must
pump my chest one more time....it was I, way back in early winter, that warned we would be complaining about the OFFENSE come July....that it would be our biggest weakness...HOWEVER, I did not think we would be seeing a HISTORICALLY BAD offense...one whose overall numbers HAVE to be some of the worst in the last 20-30 years of American League baseball.

by dantesox on Jun 12, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat...
I agree totally with your last paragraph:

"I imagine most of the conversation around here for the remainder of the season will no longer be about win and losses, roster decisions, or managerial moves, shifting instead to rumors, prospects, and focusing on how this team can get better in the medium to long term."

This team is sinking further, and further, into obscurity in a highly competitive AL Central.

Pods and Erstad can't save this team.

With Cintron, Mack, Terrero (and he's the best of 'em all) and now Fields in the lineup... this team isn't going anywhere this year.

Cintron is worse than useless... he is hurting the team. His VORP must be negative by now.

Mack has been serviceable but just can't play everyday or things really go downhill.

Terrero has shown some promise, and is the only callup I can say belongs here (Other than Sweeney, of course).

Fields is stinkin' up the joint. Never had much faith in him either.

Owens/Ozuna... puh-lease. Pffffffft.

...

And that's just the offense. That says nothing about our bullpen.

....

So what will interest me the most the rest of this year is not the W/L, but how well the kids play (Danks, Fields, Terrero) and how the transactions go. It saddes me deeply because Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, are used to being on winning teams, and I feel bad for them not getting any run support. It's got to be frustrating for them, and I like them all. They will always have a special place in my heart...

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 12, 2007 6:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Owens/Ozuna.....?
I don't think pablo has been playing too badly lately...... since he ummmm how should i put this..... isn't playing....

For the first time in a long time i couldn't watch the White Sox game all the way through.... i was flipping between wrestling.... This team is so uninspired that a fake sport actually held my attention more than america's past time!

Here is a Fun ? for the crowd.... What will the sox Payroll be next year..?

my guess..... 75 mil

by ElDiablo on Jun 12, 2007 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What really irks me...
Is the team on the other side of town is able to bring players up and they have impact, they fill in, can appear to hit the ball. They're not MVPs but at least they contribute.
What is going on with this teams farm system? It can't be completely selection. They just don't seem prepared for ML hitting and playing. We can't even get a guy up that can hit .250. (Of course it would be nice to have a few players up here hitting .250)

by Brush Back on Jun 12, 2007 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

common...
Fields is stinkin' up the joint.

show some patience, it isn't like we're going anywhere...

by The Wizard on Jun 12, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The scariest part
is that with all the callups this year, we've already seen the best of what our minor league system has to offer.

You start trading the vets and put our suckbomb minor leaguers out there every day, you're looking at a disaster of epic proportions.  The franchise would crush most of the goodwill they created in 05, attendance plummets, TV ratings go in the toilet, tc.

What a total f*cking mess, I still don't know how we got in this position.  It's a nightmare.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 12, 2007 7:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

White Sox interested in J.C. Romero?
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=1006057
A trade involving J.C. Romero apparently isn't as close as it seemed when the Sox designated the pitcher for assignment after Friday's game in Phoenix to accommodate the activation of Mike Timlin [stats] from the DL.

Francona said at the time he thought trade talks with at least one team were well advanced but that Epstein needed more time to complete the deal.

As of yesterday, it didn't appear that a deal was imminent, although several teams are believed to have interest. American League Central teams, including Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago, have a need for Romero, but Epstein probably would prefer to trade him to the National League. The Sox must trade or release him by next Monday.

by SSH2005 on Jun 12, 2007 8:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As Cheat says:
"It's not that I'm no longer a White Sox fan, far from it. It's that I've already written them off for this season, and I know that due to the lack of young impact players within the organization the fastest way back to the top of the division will come through the strategic removal (through trades) of the impending free agents."

It's worse than last year for me.  Then, I'd watch every pitch of every game that BA started.  To see his defense, watch his ab's, measure his progress or lack of progress.  When Mack was in CF (what, like 50-60 games?) I'd only keep one eye on the game.  Not that I'm not a fan, just that without the "hook" of watching the "prospect" there was no point in spending that many hours or that much emotion.
I guess we have Fields this year, but what would really keep my interest would be an outfield of Sweeney, BA, and Torrero.  ChicagoPete says we'll see the goodwill and tv ratings evaporate with the "veterans" gone, but judging by the boobirds at Saturday's game I suspect there isn't much more to lose.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jun 12, 2007 8:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your right - nothing to lose
Most of the tickets were sold prior to the season - might as well see if the kids can play... though that is not looking very promising at the moment. (Regardless - I'll be there the rest of the season)

Then again - maybe this is a plan to increase beer sales...hmmm

by Brush Back on Jun 12, 2007 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let the kids play
and the vets heal.  Let Paulie, AJ, and Thomer bear the brunt, since they are making the big bucks.  Try and shore up middle relief so we can actually hang on to a (rare) lead and jet to Jenks.

It has been done - 1950's Sox, 60's Dodgers couldn't hit a lick and did quite well with pitching and defense.  And our SP is still excellent.

I actually would root more for the Underdog Sox than the Ancient Retread Sox.

by winningugly on Jun 12, 2007 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"root more for the Underdog Sox "
I like that!
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jun 12, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The World Baseball Classic
... not only was a farce but it completely screwed up the conditioning of a lot of players. I think Garcia had a short winter with the Sox winning the WS, then going to the WBC early in spring training messed him up.

The guy has been a horse his whole career. It seems like most guys who get rotator cuff damage get it earlier in their careers.

by ruffster on Jun 12, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Buster Onley
Was on the Waddle/Silvy show and just said that if KW puts Dye and Buerhle on the market soon he will make a killing.  But if he waits until later, the market will get saturated and we wont get the same return.

Cincy looks to be starting their fire sale.  

Jr is looking like he is going to the Braves.
Dunn might be on his way to the Dodgers.  See you later Billingsley.  

KW needs to not fuck up the fire sale.  The season is over, move on.  And holding the team together for the cubs series is insulting.  So lets keep the team together, so we can play a 3 game series against a non-divisional opponent over the future of the franchise is dumb.

by southsideirish71 on Jun 12, 2007 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there a "good" team
the Sox plan to field against the Schlubs?

I've got tix for the 23rd, and I am actually looking at it with dread. Only the cold MGD might save me.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'll avoid the pain
and a make a profit to boot!
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by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that too
I definitely hope that Dye gets sent packing within the next two weeks. Mark on the other hand should stay as long as possible.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 12, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you going to lock him up
For 6 or 7 years.  Do you really think in all your years of being a whitesox fan that JR will sign Buhrle for more than 3 or 4 years.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 12, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a difference
Between dreaming, and drunken delusions.  

I love Buerhle also, but with the 3rd worst team in the AL, with the worst hitting and worst bullpen.  We have too many pieces to fix.  We are not going to sign him so lets package him up and get a bunch of teams to bid and get something that can help us compete next year.  

If we really really really want him, he will be a FA and we can compete with everyone else.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 12, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of keeping him or sending him
if we want him, we'll have to compete with everyone else. It will come down to money, so lets get something ahead of his FA status. Hopefully the team is honest with him and keeps everything on good terms, so they have a chance to get him back.

by Brush Back on Jun 12, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're assuming
that any team that trades for him won't ask for the ability to negotiate with MB a long-term contract before sealing the deal. any team trading for him - unless they are really looking for just a rental - would be stupid not to do so. if we're talking the cardinals, you know they will. and they'd have a very good chance of being successful.

by larry on Jun 12, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I sick?
With the game out of reach in the 8th inning last night (Sox down by 3 - yes, out of reach), I was actually hoping Aaron Rowand (drink!) would blast one and not go 0-4.

I believe this is what is referred to as "Stockholm Syndrome."

As for JD's value, hell, I'm sure there are plenty of GMs who will want him. KW got suckered into Erstud, right?

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stockholm syndrome
is a great song, anyway.

by colintj on Jun 12, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Freddy
Gavin Floyd (24 - AAA)
3.60 ERA / 65.1 IP / 55 K / 1.36 WHIP

Gio Gonzalez (21 - AA)
2.87 ERA / 69 IP / 88 K / 1.12 WHIP

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Jun 12, 2007 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gio needs to be promoted.
He has been dominant all year down at Birmingham I think he needs to move up to Charlotte.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 12, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like him in AA
There are better prospects in AA, more top end guys.  In AAA you have a tad more polish, but a lot more AAAA guys who fill up the ranks of the IL.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 12, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod and Ichiro
I keep hearing their names floated out there.

Are they REALLY available for next year and what are the odds the Sox will make a play for either/both?

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would guess that
2 of our current 5 starting pitchers are not with the team next year. We need serious help position player wise and those 2 are our only chits.

I love Mark Buehrle - he personifies the Sox. But they can't risk getting little or nothing for him. Have to get the best deal SOON. We need to deal another starter for 1 or more solid players or prospects.  

Start next season with Gio and Floyd + 3. + a reasonable free agent signing or 2. + players we acquire.

Competitive? Not sure.
Watchable? Probably.

Pitching and defense.
Pitching and defense.
Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Jun 12, 2007 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only way...
I'd like to see the Sox keep Buehrle past the trading deadline is if they plan on making a serious attempt to bring him back next year.  Otherwise, he needs to be dealt - this team is in desperate need of young talent, and Buehrle is the only commodity the team has.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 12, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was king for a day
I would say to Buerhle.  Mark we love you here with the whitesox, what would it take to keep you here.  If he says, well lets see what I can get on the market.  You say, well the team needs to reload a bit and infuse some talent.  If we traded you to get a high bounty, would you penalize us.  Mark would probably say no.  

You ship him, Gooch and Dye on the next boat out of town for a combo of prospects and fixable players.

You put all your effort to signing Ichiro and making him our leadoff hitter.

You drop Crede, Pods, Erstad, Cintron and Mack next year.  

I would bring up Floyd and give him first shot at the starting role this year.  You might as well see if his talent and his tin head can be fixed before he is out of options.  

If he fails then Gio.

You bring up Egbert and see if he can help our pen out.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 12, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better have a plan for second base
I don't believe we have a candidate available - hopefully your combo pans out for that position

by Brush Back on Jun 12, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think KW is considering
Robby Alomar.
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by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about
Wilson Betemit
Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Jun 12, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer
if we could get Tony Abreu if we're talking Dodgers, but yeah, that wouldn't be such a bad idea.  I wish he were hitting better right now, though.  Also, I haven't seen his defensive numbers.  Can we project him as league average at 2B?

by colintj on Jun 12, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where can you go to find upcoming Free Agent lists
by position?

I'd like to see who will be available at OF, 2B, SS, etc.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 12, 2007 11:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks larry
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 12, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a lot different than '97
You really would have to be crazy to think that this team could make the playoffs.  So I don't think you'd take the same PR hit for unloading pricy vets.  A blind man can see that this team is uninspired and underachieving.  

As a matter of fact, if they want to restructure this team, now is the perfect time to do it - as bad as they're playing right now, no one would complain if you did something radical.  If they get on a hot streak then everyone starts bitching if you make a trade.

Starting pitching's our strength, and it's a lot easier to build an offense around that than vice versa.  Let's bring up Floyd and see if he's ever going to be able to pitch in the majors.  If he can pitch, then we can get something for MB.  I'd be amenable to trading Thome too.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 12, 2007 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with this picture?
In 1997, Ron Karkovice was getting paid $1.5 million and Maggs a bargain basement $150,000.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See? Isn't this fun?
We don't have to bother watching any crappy games for the rest of the year - just burning up the fiberoptic cables with GM-like suggestions and postulations.

Rather than watching the mess on the field, we need to look forward.

by winningugly on Jun 12, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

reminds me of the late 1980s
after Hawk Harrelson's reign of terror, the most exciting time of year for me was the trade deadline.  Ah, 1989, when Harold Baines and Fred Manrique brought back Wilson Alvarez, Sammy Sosa, and Scott Fletcher.

by asinwreck on Jun 12, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What trading partners look likely?
If we were to deal pitching, I'd hope for a deal with Tampa or Arizona.  Both could use starters and are loaded with young offensive (not just in the Dukes sense) talent.  Tampa seems pretty conservative with its talent, though, much like the Angels, and I don't know if they'd give up much.  If for some reason they would be willing to trade Evan Longoria for...hell, any of our pitchers, we should do it and slot him into second base immediately.

The Dodgers look interesting because they have a lot of prospects and a GM who seems willing to trade them.  If they want Jermaine Dye, maybe they'd be willing to give back Matt Kemp.

by asinwreck on Jun 12, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

neither of those look likely
tampa isn't in the hunt for anything so isn't likely to make a move for anything major league level; they're much more likely sellers than buyers. the d-backs have a very solid rotation as of now (of course, one injury or slip in performance and that could all change). and they need offense much more.

if we're talking sox pitchers, the discussion probably begins and ends with MB; we're unlikely to trade anyone else until we trade MB, if even then. the yankees are obviously a destination anytime mid-season deals come up. the cardinals also would love to have MB. the phillies need pitching but may not want to deal with the sox again. there are other teams who may be interested but we should probably wait until 7/15 to really start handicapping the options. unless someone drops a dump truck of talent off at the cell, no deal would be done until then.

by larry on Jun 12, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Food for thought.
The Tigers have played 2 more games than the Sox.

They have scored 142 more runs than the Sox.

That, my friends, is a lot of runs!

by ballyb on Jun 12, 2007 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
and to think that the Sox are only 8 GB from Detroit with a 142 Run differential.  

by RME JICO on Jun 12, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah
well CLEARLY that's only because in those two extra games the Tigers had a freakish output of 71 runs each game

by jeeves on Jun 12, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait to play those 2 games
so we won't have to put up with stats like those!

by The Wizard on Jun 12, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

70 runs
is like 20 games worth of output by the Sox offense

by jeeves on Jun 12, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More food for thought.
We play the Indians 12 times and the Tigers 15 times.

If we play well, just think how much ground we can gain on the division leaders ; )

by ballyb on Jun 12, 2007 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For any ground to be made up
the Sox would have to win at least 8 of 12 from Cleveland and 10 of 15 from Detroit.  That would be huge.

by RME JICO on Jun 12, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuts.
We have to wait til July 16 for the Indians.

And July 23 for the Tigers.

by ballyb on Jun 12, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be
a miracle.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup
NTC for NL and AL west teams.

by larry on Jun 12, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a long line of teams
looking for a pitcher that finds it difficult to get past the 6th inning?
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 12, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you realize
you're talking about a guy who has pitched - without me looking up the specific statistics - among the top 5 most innings in the major leagues this century, the past five years, and so on, all while posting a better than average ERA. i don't think he's having quite as much trouble as the rest of the majors is in getting past the 6th inning. ya think there might be a market for him? i guess you think most teams are satisfied with the darrell rasners, jeremy sowers, and woody williams of the world.

by larry on Jun 12, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He don' like steenking
PST or MT - he's Midwest/East Coast all the way.  He also doesn't like hitting, I guess - fits right in.

by winningugly on Jun 12, 2007 2:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Beginning Wednesday, street light banners commemorating a series of special events in Chicago are going on the auction block for charity.

Some of the banners were shown off Tuesday, including those featuring Pres. Barack Obama both before and after his election.

A White Sox World Series Championship banner, signed by pitcher Mark Buehrle, is also being sold, as is a Blackhawks playoff banner signed by Denis Savard and Stan Mikita.

The bidding starts at 12 p.m. Wednesday at Daley Center. Money raised goes to help the Chicago Anti-hunger Federation and the Greater Chicago Food Depository.
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