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Game 54: White Sox (26-27) vs. Yankees (24-31) -- Buehrle vs. Clippard

Acmilan_tiny by The Wizard on in Game Threads

Mark Buehrle (L, 2-2, 3.66, 10, 10, 64.0, 46, 14, 1.02) vs. Tyler Clippard (R, 2-1, 4.20, 3, 3, 15.0, 10, 8, 1.40)  [Throws, W-L, ERA, G, GS, IP, K, BB, WHIP]

Time: 7:11 p.m., TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (Live Boxscore; 2006 MLB Gameday; 2007 MLB Gameday)

GO SOX!

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Lineups
Good Guys: 
        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. J Owens, CF          .176    0       0       2
2. T Iguchi, 2B         .242    2       14      5
3. J Thome, DH          .277    8       21      0
4. J Dye, RF            .228    10      29      2
5. A Pierzynski, C      .251    8       20      0
6. P Konerko, 1B        .229    8       27      0
7. R Mackowiak, LF      .238    3       13      3
8. J Uribe, SS          .215    5       21      1
9. A Cintron, 3B        .226    0       4       0
Bad Guys: 
        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. J Damon, DH          .250    3       18      9
2. D Jeter, SS          .326    4       29      5
3. B Abreu, RF          .246    2       23      8
4. A Rodriguez, 3B      .292    20      47      6
5. J Posada, C          .360    7       37      1
6. H Matsui, LF         .289    5       25      1
7. R Cano, 2B           .272    3       26      1
8. M Cabrera, CF        .243    3       18      3
9. M Cairo, 1B          .125    0       0       0
GO SOX!

by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

xm
any chance of getting the xm station with the rest of the broadcast info? i'm terribly lazy. :)

by thatshortkid on Jun 5, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

because this may get buried on the other thread
josh fields not in lineup at charlotte. expect your third baseman of the future to make his season debut tomorrow.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

We're
both on it larry....I just posted that in the previous thread....I see you beat me to it there as well....hell, maybe he'll be in time for tonight's game.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe
it's possible he's already on his way or even here. i doubt they'd have him play tonight even if he did arrive, though. it's not like we have an emergency situation.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cintron... sexy.
Not to be outdone, the Yanks are DHing Damon.

Too bad, I wanted to see him play first base!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Also... is that right? .251?!
.251 is our highest avg?

Ugh.

I forgot... Erstad was our best contact hitter and now he is gone

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah, ok.
Didn't see Thome.

Thank God for that...

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's too bad
the jerry owens experience is coming down to earth, and fast.

by thatshortkid on Jun 5, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps,
but I see no reason not to keep him right where he is, though. Does anyone else notice how deep he plays in center? Christ.  
   And, just another random thought...isn't it depressing not to see any glimmer of hope from Sweeney or Anderson down in AAA? They don't have horrible numbers, but not really anything at all stands out to make one even remotely excited about either of them.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think BAs shoulder is
really hampering him right now, hes still playing DH right now and he hasnt been producing like he was a couple weeks ago.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 5, 2007 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

16 runs in the last 5 innings?!
That's unreal.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

What happened to the "call-up" poll?
I voted for Fields.  And will be shown to be the wisest MF in the bunch - he will be a star.  Yes, I said it - S.T.A.R.  Me and the other members of the "Ten percenters" are on record.

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Why have Hawk and DJ
been talking about Torre and Mattingley's career's for the past 5 minutes?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Cheat, just in case
this game sucks, ESPN2 has ladies softball.

:0

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

On a positive note
at least Tadahito looks like he's getting healthy again.  And great mustache Gooch, you look like Charles Bronson.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

hahaha - good observation
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone else less than intimidated
by the Spanks' starters?  Waite Hoyt, Whitey Ford, Roger Clemens...

Tyler Clippard?  Who the eff are these guys?

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Ugly
you coming in for mullet night?  Free tix!

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about time he got something for that 'do
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You
keep looking for any tangible evidence to say this offense will be average to above from here on out....and there just isn't any. This is one of the most pathetic stretches I have ever witnessed.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uribe walked!
He now has as many walks as he did all of last year
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

And he's still....
a pathetic excuse for an everyday SS!

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read something interesting today...
in Baseball Prospectus 2007.

I'd never thought of this before, but as far as wins above replacement goes, the good bat/average glove player is always more valuable than the poor bat/great glove player.

Meaning, even though Uribe is great defensively, he only get's a few balls hit to him every game, and a good portion of those are routine plays that any competent fielder makes. However, he comes up to bat 4-5 times a game. His impact at the plate is much greater than his impact in the field.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.
And that's why it's becoming more and more apparent Uribe will not have his option picked up....when our offense was above average, we could carry him...now, well, you know the story....it's not so much him as the whole of the team.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've written several times on this board.....
something to the effect that Juan is one of our biggest holes.  Love the glove, but in a lineup with several boppers (in theory) you need an OBP guy, not Juan.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...
shortstops with good OBPs are worth their weight in gold.  There are only a small handful out there.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Juanny's OBP is awful
Last year it was .290. That's lower than a lot of SS's batting averages. It's .281 now.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but...
what's out there that's better, that the Sox can acquire cheaply?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cairo bunted?!
wtf was that?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate WGN
for showing the Scrubs/Brewers tonight.  Though seeing Ted Lilly (livered) giving up back-to-back jacks is always entertaining.

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

You gotta start wondering....
about Owens.  Where do we go from here?

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Owens is the only guy
to get fair wood on the ball in the inning and you're ready to cut him?

Damn, man, a little patience.  Mmmm, mmmm, patience.

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

about ten games from now supposedly
owens isn't anyone to be concerned about. he's up here now for us to take a look at. as noted many times here and elsewhere, he's nothing more than a bench player.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next year he is replaced
with MVP Terrero, Sweeney, Anderson, Cunningham, etc.

At best, Owens is a 4th outfielder. Not useless, by any means, and he deserves a roster spot, but doesn't deserve to start every day. Not IMO.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aflac - Bobby Bonds
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey! The White Sox aren't the only...
teams that can hit into DP's!
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Very impressed with Buehrle
and if you have the Cheat stating you are the Sox' best SP this year, that's something.

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeter looks like he needs a week off
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

3 for his last 29
Even Uribe's doing better than that!

by winningugly on Jun 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice baserunning by Dye....
but it should be 1st and 2nd--AJ chased on that long foul.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

His
lack of discipline is absolutely repulsive.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah....
it's easy to get fooled and credit him with long tough ABs, but the truth of the matter is that most of those 3-2 long ABs are extended by his "swinging at everything" approach.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD hustling?!
What is going on?!
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

oh man...
that was just nasty. poor paulie
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Way to go captain!
Hit a meaningless HR last night and fall on your face in an important AB against a rookie.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Points!
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Under the radar a bit.....
Mackowiak has played very well of late.  Hitting well, always runs well, and actually less embarassing in the field.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Man...
Jeter's range is absolutely terrible.  He looks even worse than usual out there.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude from ESPN last nite
hit it right on the head. He is gimpy. Even before that slide by Crede he has been hobbling a bit. The other night in the BoSox game, he got hit in the ankle on a foul tip. That may have something also to do with it. They were wrapping it up in the dugout afterwards.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

JRE
I was thinking the same thing -- Uribe would have made both of those plays that inning (the hits).

And Uribe ranges to his left to make a nice play.  

by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

We drink at mention of middling run support?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Rangers!
Six off of Robertson in the opening frame.  In fact, Nate gets pulled before ever recording an out.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Victor Diaz - Grand Slam
Dude has been strokin' this year. Got 2 multi-homerun games already this year.

He's only 25-26 too. White Sox could use him.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJ - I feel your pain
Gotta hate it when those balls aren't rubbed up very well.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Good stuff from Charlotte tonight.....
  1. Josh Fields (as previously noted by others) not in the lineup and hopefully heading to Chicago.
  2. Gavin Floyd with 8 great innings.
  3. Aardsma with a perfect inning (2Ks)

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh man
Cintron looks B R U T A L at the plate.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Is the Jerry Owens area nearing an end?
he's done nothing since the first game or so

by randy77 on Jun 5, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

No other way to put it.....
other than Jerry Owens is failing miserably in his audition to be the Sox leadoff man.

by stanchar on Jun 5, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude has no pop...
like I said, he is the second coming of Willy Taveras, Joey Gathright, et al... minus some speed.

If he's not walking, he's probably not getting on base.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Joe Mays approach
87 mph straight fastball located low and away.  Change in the dirt.  This is poison to long and looping lift and pull offenses.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 5, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

This
offense is unbearable....and NY will get to Buehrle this inning....game over....yep...here we go.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone going to the Charlotte game Saturday?
I have tix and will be there. Section 104.

Shouldn't be much different from watching this White Sox team.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Tonight in Charlotte -
Craig Wilson went 0-for-3 with three Ks and a walk.

Gavin Floyd worked eight shutout innings.

David Aardsma retired the first five batters he faced, then gave up a single, then a walk, before striking out Pedro Lopez to end the game.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry...
Floyd gave up a run in eight innings.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh oh...
here comes bad news
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Tough luck he's throwing beach balls
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The
White sox won't score enough runs to make up for what they give up in this inning not only tonight, but the rest of this series.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This
offense is bad. Not good. The Yankees are going to take off now. Just a feeling.

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it,
just for a second, be a nice feeling to know you have a CHANCE to come back....like how the Tigers feel and are currently doing vs. Texas?

by dantesox on Jun 5, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd settle...
for feeling like the team had a chance to keep it within 5 runs.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silence?
Ryan Bukvich is up and warming!  Our saviour!

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cheat can be happy...
Jack Egbert pitched pretty well tonight.

7.1 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 BB, 3 K.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

those runs earned?
and even if they aren't, you have low standards.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say...
three runs in 7 1/3 innings is "pretty good".  Not great, but The Cheat was worried that he'd be blown out.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, I recall now
What Cheat was talking about.

I was looking at the BB/K ratios, and the Hits.

No, 3 runs in 7 1/2 isn't bad, but to move up to the next level he needs to be dominant.

I was just hoping you'd say he went 7 1/2 2 hits, 1 BB, 6 K's, and 0 ER's.

Then I could say, "Get Charlotte on the phone"

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 runs allowed in 7 innings is pretty good
If your offense has the ability to score at least four....
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a slide. Mercy.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

How many former Royals closer candidates
will KW blow through this year...and Hawk and DJ hyperventilating about Jeter's bunt is priceless

by chukar on Jun 5, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game blows
We've got Buehrle going against some rookie, then we have the rookie on the ropes a bunch of times and do absolute jack shit.  

KW is doing a lot of talking, but IMO he's completely handcuffed by this crap team.  He can't make a trade because he's got no bullets, and they can't release or bench anyone because the minor league replacements suck.  

The only thing he and Ozzie can do is the same thing we do - bitch and moan.  And it has just the same impact as us bitching - nada.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.
I think it'll get a lot worse before it gets better.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who can you trade?
You can't move a starting pitcher cause then the season goes completely in the toilet.

Iguchi? - FA, won't bring anything
JD? - same
Konerko? - expensive, showing his age, won't bring anything in return
AJ - nope, no other catcher
Crede - nope, crippled
Podstad - crippled and they suck
Uribe? - you might get Neifi Perez for him

Thome - expensive and old, might be the only trading chip of value.  But if you move him this pathetic offense can only get worse, as if that's possible.

What a mess.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd go ahead...
and move Buehrle and take the consequences of that, but I doubt that Ken Williams will.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't trade MB
Apathy is bad enough as it is.  Look at this blog - a Monday night KC game in April had 350 comments, and yesterday a Yankee game in June barely had 100.

You move Buehrle, and the pitchforks and torches will come out.  

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...
the pitchforks and torches are going to come out anyway, when the team finishes with a losing season.

Williams needs to suck it up and realise that 2007 is over.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think
Hawk and DJ subscribe to the school of thought that if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all. As Chukar notes above, they were stroking themselves about Jeter's bunt, Matsui, etc.  It's almost like they're incapable of saying anything bad about anyone - the courtesy extends beyond Sox players.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

This offense is offensive to the senses
This is just pathetic.

How can you go from top 5 to bottom 5 in one season?! With 6 of the same 9 batters?!?!?!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

This has been a long time coming
The scouts have finally caught up to Greg's offense, and he hasnt made a change.  Remember it used to be a bad pitcher using low and away, throwing a slider in the dirt that would 3 hit us.  Then a few other pitchers took that approach.  Now watch, every single pitcher goes low and away on us.  Greg hasnt figure out that up the middle and the other way is how you make them re-establish the inside pitch you can drive.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 5, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I keep flipping their cards, its a Perfect Storm
They keep on saying flip their cards.  Well I did that.  And its cold, well not really.  And they are professionals.  

Well its June, when exactly is this team going to fucking hit.  September?  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 5, 2007 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

This team is going to end up with a
bunch of low .200-.250 hitters when it's all said and done. So sick of waiting.

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Soxfest is going to be interesting
I am getting the weekend package just so I can see the Q&A sessions.  

by southsideirish71 on Jun 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Colorado's lineup
They have 5 hitters hitting over .300. And WELL over .300 too. That is just sick.

I wish we could have that.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone, you say?
Maybe Fields... maybe Uribe... maybe... gasp... Owens.

Now THAT I'd like to see. I might get a plane ticket, fly to Chicago, buy a ticket, just to see Owens bat cleanup.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Effin' Juan
How many pitches up and out of the zone can you swing at?  Surprise surprise, a pitch up near the brim of your helmet you popped up behind the plate.  
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

And let him
weakly end the inning instead.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dees keed,
he also bad.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
Our 2-8 hitters are 9-23. That's the good.

Our 1 and 9 hitters are 0-7. That's the bad.

The ugly? Uribe's foul tip to end a potential rally.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Tampa Bay scored 11 runs tonight
and lost.  

What I wouldn't give for 11 runs....

"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

KW has an eye for talent
These callups are spectacular - all the way now

by Brush Back on Jun 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant wait to see the draft
When they try to tell us that some broadway safe clone is a top end pick.

by southsideirish71 on Jun 5, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh
you can certainly criticize the lack of position players in our system. and you can criticize the starters in our system if you want. but it's getting pretty ridiculous when you criticise the relievers. i don't know many teams who stockpile 9 or 10 deep in friggin' relievers. they're failed starters. i'm glad we don't have more of them in our system.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitch by Dewon Day
Hit a looong way.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Jer-ry O-wens, Jer-ry O-wens...
He can't hit for shit, they should force him to bunt every time up there.  But then, no one listens to these coaches anyway, why should he.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh jeez
I forgot that Cintron is batting 9th instead of Juan Urrrrrrrrribe.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's okay
We would all like to forget about cintron.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Willie Mayes Hayes
aka Jerry Owens.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
JD exhibiting psuedo-grinder qualities in right.  Game out of reach, still willing to crash the wall (sort of) to make the play.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

He best -
the end of the year and a new contract elsewhere probably can't come fast enough for him

by Brush Back on Jun 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has...
he exhibited stellar base-running earlier, almost gunned down Abreu, and now this.

Maybe he heard all the trade talks, and wants to improve his stock?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade?
this is a contract year. he needs to get paid!
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade?
Trade? You're talking Trade?  (imagine if Jim Mora were our GM)
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about playoffs?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Hawk
If you hadnt been drinking yourself blind every night you might have caught on sooner than five years.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

If you covered Sox games, wouldn't you?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Using the Rowand word
Hawk and DJ using the Rowand word

by Brush Back on Jun 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

now DJ has to drink
half vodka, half orange juice. yeah, DJ wants aaron back.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

mmmm
sounds delish.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

mariano rivera
spanish for bobby jenks. let's see if he gets into this game.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

He did
and could give up a grannie and still hold the lead.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sounds about par for the course
for each of our respective bullpens.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold a lead?
Can't be talking about our bullpen....
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe...
is there a chance....
the spirit of Rowand has made this happen.

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Cintron is the only O-fer tonight
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh man.
I wish there was a way Yahoo! would let me remove my reliever (Rivera) from a game before he pitches.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

That's true.
I forget these baserunners aren't his, and it's the bottom 9th, not much can go wrong for him.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If AJ gets a hit or walks, then PK
could potentially end the game with a moon shot.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

tie
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit.
You're right, though, only tie. All these Rowand references have made me drunk.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was a tough night
on the SSS drinking game.
Free Bobby Thigpen!

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I start thinking of '05 whenever Rowand is
mentioned, but I know he is not the answer.

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rowand's favorite band is Linkin Park
I find that amusing
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha....what a manchild
wait, I like them too.

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie says its everyone
Doesn't know what's up with baseball, even Yankees had to bring in closer with 7-2 lead

by Brush Back on Jun 5, 2007 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Sad commentary
when you can't have one bad inning pitching..............EVER.

by ballyb on Jun 5, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie is still the man for this job,
I don't why people are hating on him. What else can he do when the players can't hit or the bullpen sucks humungous ass! You want him to "fire up his team" like Lou? We won a god damn championship with Ozzie!!

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Not tonight, but every other game
he is criticized for every move.

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then that should tell you something.
He is criticized when he does stupid things.  When he manages intelligently, he is not criticized.

If it were just mindless hatred or something, the criticism would go on every night.

by Dongfang Hong on Jun 5, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is considered
to be "stupid things?
Have you ever played or managed in the major leagues?

by ckimcircles on Jun 5, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we leave the
arguments like "have you ever played or managed in the major leagues" for the third grade message boards where logical fallacies are are rewarded with thumbs up smilies and blinking avatars?
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to keep the site higher brow than most
That means we don't accept arguments that the freshmen debate team could carpool through in a '86 Chrysler Voyager.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, right.
The ol' "you can't criticize because you're not a major leaguer" argument.  How I love that one.  Hundreds of games watched?  Reams of analysis read?  Exacting statistical models studied?  All totally worthless.

If you want to have an opinion regarding relief-pitcher usage, buddy, you better have been one of the 0.1% of humanity who was born with the reflexes, coordination, and muscle to make a 25-man roster.  

And discussing lineup cards?  Trades?  Defensive arrangements?  Look, I understand that it looks like Joe Crede isn't hitting particularly well.  And you might be able to point to hoity-toity "statistics" that might suggest you're on the mark.  But listen, buddy.  If you yourself can't hit an 88-mph slider down and away, then how could you possibly tell whether or not Joe Crede can?  

In fact, I think this entire forum is off the mark.  Here we're all sitting around, discussing baseball, happy as you please, and yet we aren't professional baseball players!  The nerve of it.

by Dongfang Hong on Jun 6, 2007 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.
You posted something utterly ridiculous and I had a bit of fun trashing it.

by Dongfang Hong on Jun 6, 2007 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry and Kenny
Aren't going to fire themselves.  The manager (or coaches) is (are) usually the fall guy(s) when a team is dramatically underperforming.  Particularly when the team has performed well in the past.  It's true of any organization - managers are evaluated based on the performance of their team.  Why should baseball be any different?  Oh, wait....
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, it should be different
the question is whether the players are still "responding" to ozzie. if this is a shitty team, fine. the bullpen you can't blame ozzie - or really even coop - for. seems like they just got stuck with bad/inexperienced/overwhelmed players. and the starters obviously are doing just fine. it's that offense. it's really, really awful. we can point to this, that, and the other thing but when you've got basically a whole team slumping? there's something systematic occurring.

by larry on Jun 5, 2007 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone said it well in another thread
on the home page earlier today - I'm too lazy to look it up - but they pointed out that Ozzie seems like he's run out of excuses/resigned to the sorry state of affairs now.  That's pretty indicative of a systemic problem that's affecting all levels of the team.
"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 5, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, once again, 3 runs.
We are stuck in 1st gear.

Cleveland is having a Sox '05 year - we are having a Cleveland '06 year.

We utterly suck in all phases of the game except (less sucky) our starters and closer.  Hard to know where to begin to fix things.  How does one eat an elephant?  What's the priority?  Bats?  Middle relief?  Defense?  Health?

Sigh.  I need to give this up for a couple months - I need to be studying for a board exam and instead feel like Al Pacino in "Godfather III".  Someone shoot me and put me out of my '07 season misery.

by winningugly on Jun 6, 2007 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

6 walks, too. 9 innings, 16 baserunners, 3 runs.
Ah, I yearn for the days when we had 4 runs, 4 hits, 4 solo shots.

by ballyb on Jun 6, 2007 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

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