Will Mark Buehrle finish his career with 99 victories?

by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 12:22 AM CDT in White Sox Game Recaps

At least the Sox didn't pick up their 10th 5+ run loss of the season. Hooray, late inning runs!

What will you remember most about the Jerry Owens Era?
Jerry Owens now has four hits since his call-up. Surprisingly, two of them were for extra-bases; one was a shot just inside the left field line with the other just inside the right field line. The two singles didn't leave the infield, and would have been routine plays if not for Owens' speed or Derek Jeter's limited range. I don't know if I've even seen him make contact on a breaking pitch yet. He wouldn't get 5 consecutive starts on any other team in baseball, yet on a team which includes Alex Cintron as a key backup plus Joe Crede and Juan Uribe as regulars he doesn't stick out as obviously over-matched. He fits right in.

That's the pitcher I wanted
Back when Mark Buehrle's name was connected with the Yankees, Tyler Clippard was the pitching prospect who I coveted (because I knew Hughes was untouchable) along with Melky Cabrera. He's not a stuff guy in that he doesn't throw hard, but he's got good secondary pitches. He's a lot like Andy Sonnanstine, who got his first start today. They're guys who don't necessarily project to be top-of-the-rotation starters, but can give you quality innings cheaply. I suppose that's the type of pitcher what the Sox hoped Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch would become. Unfortunately for the Sox, neither McCulloch or Broadway can match Sonnanstine or Clippard's minor league production.

I'd expect a major league team to mount a respectable offensive against a pitcher like Clippard, but it's tough to argue that the Sox put a major league lineup on the field. Mackowiak is a bench player, Cintron will be out of the majors next year, Owens looks like a 26th man, and Uribe, despite the renewed patience, is pulling off everything and still swinging at some terrible pitches. Oh, and the entirety of the rest of the lineup is hitting below their career averages.

Just DL him already!
Coming into the season, the only injury more predictable than Podsednik's groin or Erstad's ankle was Joe Crede's back. What's really troubling is that Crede's back is acting up at the very beginning of the season when it usually waits until August or September to shut him down for a week or two, and I think he's been downplaying how much it's been bothering him. He was out of the lineup again tonight, and was 1-for-his-last-18 and 3-for-his-last-26.

Completely unrelated, or not, Josh Fields has a .394 OBP in Charlotte a year after posting a .379 mark. Crede's OBP in his two years at Charlotte was .349 and .359.

All the pieces are in place
Not that I blame them -- Percival was clearly breaking down in the years before his retirement -- but with all the bullpen troubles of the Sox, you'd expect them to be represented at Troy Percival's workout.

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crede trade after season

i wouldn't mind sending him to Boston for Coco Crisp and a young arm. Lowell's contract is up, and Crisp would be an upgarde in every facet, despite his week stats since his injury i watched him the past few games and when he gets on base he causes havoc to the other team. I'm sure Boston wouldn't mind losing Crisp and bidding on one of the many free agents in CF next year.

by moe berg on Jun 6, 2007 12:50 AM CDT reply actions

Oh, that trade would be great for the Sox.

The problem would be convincing Boston that:

They want Joe Crede,
They want to give us a decent CF for him,

and
3. They also want to give us a young pitcher for him.

Crede has marginal trade value. He's hitting a godawful .216/.258/.316, he has a recurring back injury, and it looks like he's not quite as good with his glove as the last few years.

Maybe we can get Papi for him!

by Dongfang Hong on Jun 6, 2007 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions

.332 11hr 45 rbi .390 obp

Those are the numbers for Boston's current third sacker. I think his contract is up at the end of the year, and he's a little old (33 yo) but if I was running Boston I'd rather re-sign Lowell than trade for an oft-injured Crede.

by Hazymania on Jun 6, 2007 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Crede trade

Someone make a list of all the stupid teams that love "veteran presence" and start dialing.

by colintj on Jun 6, 2007 1:40 AM CDT reply actions

and are blind to injuries

seeing the success the Sox had dealing damaged goods to the Jays and Phillies, maybe they should start there.

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 6, 2007 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions

Damaged goods

"Freddie Garcia has pitched more than six innings just once in 10 starts this season. He is 1-4 with a 5.11 ERA"

5.11 in the NL, yech.

But - they got us back, they stuck us with Floyd.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 6, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions

gosh

how horrible. and we got gio and they got...?

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions

Drink!

Now all we need to do is send Thome back for Rowand and we complete the circle. This would be perfect, it'll free up the DH spot for Erstad.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 6, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Gio Gonzalez

The years we will get out of Gonzalez are going to be way better than the years we will get out of Garcia into his 30's.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions

everyone knows this except the phillies

apparently. another KW pillage.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions

The Phillies are somewhat in

win now mode, I think.

They are going to get their best years out of Utley and Howard last year, this year and probably next. It kinda makes sense for the short-term, but not at all for the long-term.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions

i think everyone except the phillies

knew that garcia was kaput. we all watched him last year. we all knew he was done. which is why is was kind of amusing see those same people complaining about "how little" we got in return for garcia.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions

How durable is Gio

He's a small guy (a generous 5'11"), and if you look at his starts in AA this year you see a pattern. Look at his ten game splits, he goes out there and throws his arm off striking everyone out to make an impression, then his next few starts are pffllt:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Gio%2520Gonzalez&pos=P&sid=milb&am p;t=p_pbp&pid=461829

For him to generate enough force on that body to put up those kind of K numbers, I wouldn't count on his arm staying attached long enough to get up to the majors.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't see...

what you're talking about here. He's only really had one bad start (that May 4 start).

You might be right about health concerns, but that's true of most young pitchers.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions

neither do i

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

Williams on Crede:

Cowley:

Crede was getting treatment Tuesday and was not available for comment. But Williams acknowledged that he and Crede have spoken again about his situation and the surgery option.

''That's all I'm going to say,'' Williams said. ''Stay tuned.''

Crede, 29, is not eligible for free agency until after the 2008 season. He signed a one-year, $4.94 million contract in January after having his best offensive season in 2006 (.283, 30 home runs, 94 RBI).

Fields, 24, was the Sox' first-round draft pick in 2004. He's hitting .283 with 10 homers and 37 RBI at Class AAA Charlotte, and he homered in his first major-league at-bat last September, when he was called up for 11 games.

''Whenever he comes up, he'll make an impact,'' Williams said. ''He's going to be a special player.''

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/415454,CST-SPT-ssep06.article

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jun 6, 2007 8:21 AM CDT reply actions

If he has surgery,

how long is recovery?

by ballyb on Jun 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions

3 months

is what i recall reading this past offseason.

by beautox on Jun 6, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Who will be the Sox future outfield?

We've now seen all three highly touted (by the org) outfielders from the minors. These are suppose to be the future of the team - probably sooner then later depending on what the Sox are going to do in the free agency market. We've now seen speed, with acceptable defense, average defense, with a decent arm, and strong defense (at least last year) with average speed. However, in all 3 cases, we have not seen the ability to hit major league hitting. (Though Sweeney seeming to have the strongest upside).

Granted it takes time to develop these guys, and the Sox seem to have very limited success with players from their system - but it makes for a bleak outlook going forward in regards to this team and what it can produce internally. I guess Fields will be a telling point of what is going on in the minors and how seriously we can take what they say about their prospects.

by Brush Back on Jun 6, 2007 9:10 AM CDT reply actions

Stop worring about the OF

News flash in the aftermath of Erstad's big birthday party. Hawk reports that he's making a miraculous recovery, "I've never seen a guy step on a land mine like that n' come back this quick."

by ChicagoPete on Jun 6, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions

I'll tell you what, Feisty

Darin Erstad makes a soldier who fought in the Battle of the Bulge look like Richard Simmons.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jun 6, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Oh I agree Hawk, this guy is TOUGH

He stepped on that land mine and refused to get on a stretcher.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Hawk can go sit on a land mind for all I care

But I still believe this Erstad injury is hurting us, and will continue to bring us down.

Erstad >>>> Owens

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Hawk called in all his chits with his God.

His prayers were answered.

THERE'S a baseball player.

by ballyb on Jun 6, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Everyone keeps saying it takes time...

to "develop" these players.

Bah!

Sweeney and Cunningham are the only players who hasn't spent considerable time at AAA/Bigs, and I think they are our only real prospects.

I'm really thinking Anderson is going to be a flop. I mean someone with his size and experience should be KILLING the ball. He is becoming an underachiever. Owens: Pffft. <fart> Terrero: He's 27. He's no longer a prospect. He's shown he can play at AAA (He played well in Balt's system) but he has never shown he can play in the Bigs. He looks like a perpetual AAAA or fourth outfielder.

So really we have only Sweeney and Cunningham in our system.

Sweeney needs to spend the rest of this year in AAA, Cunningham needs to be in AAA by the end of the year (IMO), and needs to spend most of next year in AAA before making an appearance in late 2008 at the Bigs (if all goes well).

For 2008 the only player I can say with any certainty that I'd expect/like to see out there is Sweeney.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions

In addition to this...

I'd like to see the Sox draft some 18 year old outfielders in this year's draft.

At LEAST give us some sort of hope for the future. None of this college conference player of the year crap. 3 years in Minor ball >>>>> 3 years in College... Plus when all is said and done, you have a ready to go player at the age of 21, instead of a player ready to go at 24-25, because let's face it, college kids still gotta go through the minors.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Some younger prospects would be good -

College baseball does not prepare them in the same manner as college basketball/football. If so, they'd get rid of aluminum bats so you could see how they actually hit. (I don't care about the studies by the aluminum bat manufacturers - there is a difference). There probably is also a lean towards the college players because its an easier scouting situation. The 18 yr olds at the high level are more spread out and I'd think get fewer eyes by MLB scouts then the college players.

by Brush Back on Jun 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree 100%

College does not prepare players the way the minors do. Look at the Coastal Plain League (Florence Red Wolves, Columbia Blowfish, etc). They are a collegiate summer league sanctioned by the NCAA, and college players can play there without losing eligibility. The CPL is a showcase of NCAA talent, with wooden bats! Kevin Youkilis, Ty Wiggington, and Ryan Speier all came up through this system. Anyway, that was a tangent, but players from the minors will see more of what they will see in the majors than they ever will in college.

Wooden bat leagues prepare hitters for the majors better than college will. Aluminum bats absolutely SCORCH the ball. Plus, the instruction at the college level does not equate to the instruction at the minor league level. Finally, the years that players waste in college hurt their overall development, as they will be behind the curve in their best years.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Absolutely

Not bashing college - almost all of these guys should be there getting an education because they are not going to be MLB players. The fact is, even though they play its not a full time focus like the minors. They have classes, other activities, and lets not forget drinking! (Ok, the drinking part is in minors too, but not quite to the same level of expertise). They lose time, and I wonder if the even backtrack a little in their growth too.

by Brush Back on Jun 6, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions

There's a definite upside...

to drafting college players, however. High school players are very raw, in many cases not even finished physically maturing, and a guy that dominates when he's seventeen might struggle once he's twenty.

College is another, higher level of competition, and it works to separate out some more chaff from the wheat. There's a much higher possibility that the guy who dominates in college will be a productive major-leaguer than that the guy who dominates in high school will be.

If you're 100% confident that the guy you're drafting is going to be something special, then yeah, it's better to get him younger. Gio Gonzalez is probably a good example of a smart high school pickup. But if you're not really excited about anyone that's available, it's better to take someone out of college.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Adam Mills

"Pitching is not about being 6'5" and throwing 98. It's about getting outs."

Love that quote, wish someone wouldve said that to Kenny last off-season.
Sox should give this kid a go in the 2nd or 3rd.

http://baseballanalysts.com/

by Gus on Jun 6, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions

18 year old OFs

It looks like the best bats coming out of HS are almost exclusively 3Bs: Josh Vitters, Mike Moustakas, Kevin Ahrens, Matt Dominguez. Of course none of these guys are going to be around when the Sox pick late in the 1st round.
The Sox might be able to get a college OF like Corey Brown from Oklahoma State or Julio Borbon from Tennessee.
Personally I want them to take Michael Main, even though hes not as highly touted as he was a junior.

by Gus on Jun 6, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions

studies have shown

that drafted players who played at least some college reach the majors at a higher rate than those who came straight from high school. the players are older, more developed, and so on. you can point to laziness or whatever else you want but the facts show it's a better bet to go with college players.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

by the way

i realize that, nowadays, the difference is much less; of course, the number of players drafted from high school are also much less and, it follows logically, much better players. i'd like to see us pick up a high schooler with great skills, too; the problem is the can't miss sorts are gone by the time we pick and the ones who are more borderline you'd have to either overpay to get them to sign because, of course, they know that a good showing in college would rocket them up the draft and give them a much higher bonus or you're picking someone much riskier than the other available options.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly.

Gio Gonzalez only fell to the Sox because of reported attitude problems as a high schooler (he had some sort of falling out with his coach, IIRC). Most of the time the top high schoolers are gone before the Sox get to pick.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Gio's attitude problem

was related to his mother, who tried to leverage Gio's place as the best pitcher on a state championship team to get his younger brother more playing time. He was kicked off the team essentially because he had a stage mom.

His dad sounds like a really good guy though. And he hasn't had even the slightest bit of issues as a pro. The only make-up issue he has is that he's got a little Zambrano in him. He gets a little too excited/worked up at times.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

and it's good the sox saw through that

red herring. i don't want to say for sure other teams were put off by this but it's a good job by our organization to actually get down into the details of a situation instead of just hearing from their area scouts "this guy was kicked off his team" and not caring about anything else.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Kind of sounds like

Jarrod Parkers dad.. He played 2 years at Wayne High School and his dad was a coach but didn't always get his way so he quit and they moved 20 minutes to Ossian, Indiana so he could play at Norwell High School.

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 6, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions

55%

I think that was the percentage of college players over highschoolers that contributed on the major league level.

by Gus on Jun 6, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions

You mean...

that 55% of all players drafted that contributed were college players?

Or 55% more college players contribute than high school players?

I still stand by my theory. Sure, college players are safer bets, but they are older and they still have to go through the minors.

Pitching is an exception to this rule. College pitchers can step right up. Hitters, on the other hand, have more trouble. Why? Because of the aluminum bats. All their stats are inflated, and what used to be a linedrive to the wall is now a can of corn.

That's why I'd rather take my chances on a high schooler, put him through 2-3 years of the minors, and have him MLB ready at 20-22 than draft a college player that's 21-22, send him through the minors for 2-3 years, and eventually get him at 23-25.

Just makes more sense to me.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

What about...

Josh Fields? He's pretty clearly as ready as he's going to be to perform at the big-league level.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions

Though he can play Corner Outfield

The White Sox want him to play 3B. Who knows where he will go? His defense is better in the outfield than it is at 3B, so it makes sense, but I made that comment with his 3B eligibility in mind.

If Crede goes, as it is likely to happen, who will play 3B? Fields.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Ah.

You were talking about outfielders only. Never mind.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions

i'm sorry

but i grow increasingly weary of baseball blog communities in general writing off people if they haven't show promise at the major league level by age 24.

1B Carlos Pena down in TB is finally putting it together at age 29(.321/.390/.649 12HR) all though lefties are still murder on him.

SS Brendan Harris age 26 is seemingly put it together too (.301/.352/.416 4HR) after both the cubs and nats had given up on him.

SP Rich hill has just recently started tasting success at age 26 for the northsiders.

RP Scott Proctor didn't put it together till he was 29 last season with the yankees.

Our own Matt Thornton finally put it together at age 29 last year.

to write BA off after just 416 sporadic ML ABs is just foolish, I think he needs a change of scenery and i still think he has the potential to hit 30 HRs.

Owens this year at AAA is doing something he has never done in his career, and that is draw the walk, he could very well go down the career path of Scott Podsednik and have a few above average years at the ML level.

And finally you forgot about Chris Carter.

by beautox on Jun 6, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

maybe

but the primary difference between a major leaguer and a career minor leaguer is the ability to hit the breaking stuff. he's seen a whole lot of it at the major league level and hasn't done it. maybe you're right to hold off judgment. but 400+ ABs is not a small sample size.

by larry on Jun 6, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

dont forget

willie harris

by Gus on Jun 6, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions

It's a bit early...

to be shouting "breakthrough" on Willie Harris. Pablo Ozuna had better numbers through 100 PAs last year than Harris does this year.

I'd also be leery of saying that Carlos Pena is for real.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 6, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Well said.

by dantesox on Jun 6, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions

But when bloggers are writing guys off at 24

They're not doing it out of hand. They're merely stating what scouts, coaches and general managers with decades of experience evaluating talent have demonstrated based on their moves: That at some point, a player will have either figured out how to succeed at the big league level, or he never will.

24 may be an arbitrary age, but I would guess that for 99 percent of the guys in the minors, coaches and GMs figure if they haven't cracked the bigs after six years of "seasoning" at the minor league level, the odds of them doing so becomes less and less. It's the law of diminishing returns - every day a team runs some guy out on the field and he doesn't perform is one less day the team has to find someone who can do it right.

While those are fine examples you cite, they're more exceptions to the rule. Teams like the Cubs and Rays have the luxury of giving guys time to develop because, well, they're expected to suck. No-one will mind if Rich Hill is a AAA pitcher at best, because the Cubs themselves are closer to a AAA team than they are a MLB team.

"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Jun 6, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

My rebuttal:

Carlos Pena: had 27 HR's with a .241/.338/.472 line three years ago in Det. It's wrong to say he's finally tasting his first bit of success.

The Brendan Harris situation was just dumb. He had only 100 MLB Plate Appearances before this year. That's not a fair shake. He also had torn it up in the minors inbetween all of those MLB stints. Not keeping him around was just dumb. He had already had success in the minors, and had hardly had a chance to perform at the major league level. Mind you, when he did, he played fairly decent.

Rich Hill absolutely DOMINATED AAA! Hill has dominate everywhere he's been except for his short, really really short stint in Chicago in 2005 where he threw 23 innings. Hill has shown prior success, and also posted a 4.17 ERA with almost a K/IP last year for the Cubs in his ROOKIE season. He performed prior to this year.

Scott Proctor: I'll give you that, but it was only one good season. Let's see how the rest of this year goes. It could have been a fluke.

Matt Thornton: MAybe you can chalk this one up to Cooper's instruction, but he succeeded in his first go-round with the Sox. But who's to say it's going to last, we've only seen one year and two months of this kid? He's ALWAYS had great stuff, and struck out lots of batters (over 1K per inning) so it's not fair to say he's sucked ass his whole career.

So of those guys you listed, only two never tasted much success before last year, and they are back of the bullpen guys. Pitchers often can get lucky and have some good years mixed in with bad.

So I think it's fair to say that if you haven't put together some decency of success at the major league by 26 or minor league level by 24, you're not likely to, ever.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2007 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions

It's a bit early..

It's a bit early to jump on Jerry Owens. It takes some adjusting to get up to speed in the bigs. Look at Robin Ventura and a lot of other guys who started out their major league careers with a big 0-for. Speed doesn't slump, and the kid will be a pretty good leadoff hitter at some point in the not too distant future.

I like Andy Sonnanstine and picked him up in my fantasy league, but he got hit hard yesterday. You should be blasting him just like you are Owens, but for some reason you don't. Bottom line is, it's too early to tell anything on either one of them.

I agree it's time to put Crede on the DL and give Fields a try. As for Percival, ARE YOU KIDDING?? If Percival is the answer we're already FUBAR.

Ozzieball.com - My White Sox Blog

by Ozzieball on Jun 6, 2007 10:21 AM CDT reply actions

"Speed doesn't slump"

tell that to Scott Podsednik.

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Jun 6, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions

Love ya Joe

but not having your back fixed in the off season was a selfish move on your part and now we'll be watching Josh Fields and/or Alex Cintron, possibly for the rest of the season...good times.

Love ya Kenny, but YOU KNEW Erstud was injury prone, yet you made him our LEADOFF MAN and STARTING CENTER FIELDER. Oh, wait, he was in the leadoff spot because Pods, the other injury-prone guy you decided to keep has been injured.

Now we'll be treated to a mix of sub-par rookies and bench players in starting roles for the rest of the season, as Pods, Erstud, Joe and probably Thome hop on and off the DL.

I won't even begin to try and comment on your "vision" for the bullpen...what a train wreck.

Not good, buddy...not good.

On a brighter note, although he's not hitting very well, how great is it to watch Owens friggin' fly around the bases? He got an infield hit last night...an infield hit! How f-ing refreshing.

And...they had "almost rallies" in the 8th and 9th innings. Of course they fizzled...but there's hope!

If anyone cares, I'll be there tonight, starting with cocktails in Lot G at about 5:30.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jun 6, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions

Herb Washington v2.0

As the Trib's Mark Gonzalez wrote yesterday:

"The jury is split on Jerry Owens, but it's good that he's getting a look until Podsednik and Erstad return. He almost beat out a bad bunt for a single and can run. But I want to see him perform this way over an extended period."

Apparently, over an extended period of time, he would like him to continue almost getting on base because he runs fast. If he wants to see people running around the bases without getting a hit or a walk, he should just go to Sunday games at the Cell and stick around to watch the kids.

by Sacki on Jun 6, 2007 11:09 AM CDT reply actions

Gonzalez...not my favorite

This is the guy that thinks OBP isn't the most important part of being a leadoff hitter. There have been other atrocities as well...not my favorite beat writer.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 6, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions