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Hu's on short?

It was another bad loss by a bad White Sox team that I don't feel like writing about, so I'll just make a couple of observations I looked up during the course of play.

  • Jermaine Dye's 9-2 Sac-Fly DP was only the second time since the start of the 2005 season that the White Sox have turned a outfield-to-out-at-home DP.
  • That was the White Sox 17th blown save this season in 92 games. While Bobby Jenks was on the receiving end of just 5 of them, he's been responsible for the last 4 of the Sox blown saves. In those 17 contests, the Sox have won just 3 times. I'm not really sure how poor that is. I was just poking through BB-ref's PI and thought it was interesting. Here's a breakdown of the Sox record in blown saves since 2000 for some context.
    Blown Saves Record 2000 26 10-16 2001 20 9-11 2002 12 2-10 2003 17 6-11 2004 13 4-9 2005 20 9-11 2006 17 4-13 2007 17 3-14
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Rather than recap the game, I thought I would take a look at possible candidates for the White Sox shortstop of the future -- because even as a (former) fan of Juan Uribe, I can acknowledge that he's one of the largest dead weights on a club that sunk long ago. So let's take a look at the top theoretically available shortstops around baseball.

Leaving out guys drafted last year because they're still too far from the majors for my liking, the list slims down very quickly. Many of the best hitters drafted as shortstops have moved position, including Justin Upton, who might be the best prospect in all of baseball now, Adam Jones, who Seattle won't give up even though they've now got Ichiro locked up, and former #1 overall pick Matt Bush, who was never a good hitter and has moved to the mound in a last-ditch effort to provide value from what looked like a wasted #1 pick from the start. Remove Tampa Bay's Reid Brignac, because they're not trading him nor are they in a position to acquire what the Sox would be offering, and Cleveland's Asdrubal Cabrera because the White Sox and Indians arent' going to make a trade, and I'm left with just 3 candidates; the Dodgers' Chin-Lung Hu, plus Yunel Escobar and Brent Lillibridge from Atlanta.

Yunel Escobar -- DOB: 11/02/82 Year Lvl AB 2B 3B HR BB K AvG OBP SLG 2005 A 198 13 3 4 14 30 .313 .358 .470 2006 AA 428 21 4 2 59 77 .264 .361 .346 2007 AAA 180 10 3 2 14 27 .333 .379 .456 Maj 116 8 0 1 6 14 .319 .355 .414
Escobar is the oldest and most advanced of the group, which should come as no surprise given his background as a Cuban defecor. He has only 30 major league innings at SS this season, which has more than to do with Edgar Renteria and Chipper Jones than his defensive abilities. I've only seen one game with him at short from which I'm not willing to draw any conclusions.

His bat doesn't have a much power, but I think you can partially discount his .264 average in AA last year because of a fractured heel, which he played through in the second half. He hit .407/.463/.558 in 86 Arizona Fall League at-bats to prove he was healthy (And we all know how much Kenny loves AFL stats). It seems like he was being showcased this past weekend with 3 consecutive starts over Kelly Johnson, during which he compiled a 6-for-13 mark. I could envision him being a .300/.340/.425 player at his peak, which shouldn't be too far in the future.

Brent Lillibridge -- DOB: 09/18/83 Year Lvl AB 2B 3B HR BB K AvG OBP SLG 2005 A- 169 12 4 4 14 35 .243 .305 .432 2006 A 274 18 5 11 51 61 .299 .414 .522 A+ 201 10 3 2 36 43 .313 .426 .423 2007 AA 204 8 3 3 20 60 .275 .355 .387 AAA 146 3 0 3 9 30 .253 .301 .336
Lillibridge was off my radar until he was traded from the Pirates organization last off-season. His '06 line made him a PECOTA hero, but he hasn't even managed to put up his ML projections in AA and AAA this season. From the two at-bats that I got to see from him in the Futures Game, he appears to have a Brian Anderson or Josh Fields type hole in his swing. The breaking balls at the upper levels have begun to catch up with him, and I'm not sure that he'll be able to stick in the majors in the future. I'd pass.
Chin-Lung Hu -- DOB: 02/02/84 Year Lvl AB 2B 3B HR BB K AvG OBP SLG 2004 A 332 15 4 6 20 50 .298 .342 .422 A+ 75 4 1 0 5 6 .307 .350 .387 2005 A+ 470 29 1 8 19 40 .313 .347 .430 2006 AA 488 20 2 5 49 63 .254 .326 .334 2007 AA 325 30 5 6 26 33 .329 .380 .508 AAA 23 1 0 3 0 1 .478 .478 .913
Chin-Lung Hu has a reputation of being a dazzling glove man, but many questioned his bat entering this season. He's been described as a slap hitter, but he's definitely found some opposite field gap power this season with 45 extra-base hits. He was the deserving MVP of last week's Futures game, and I was very impressed by his approach at the plate. He's everything the White Sox hitters are not. He took what was given him, which in that game was two opposite field hits and two stolen bases (though he was [wrongly] called out on one), and just looks like an incredibly fundamentally sound player. His inside out approach reminded me a bit of Michael Young, and I suppose that wouldn't be a terrible comp; Michael Young with less power but more defense.

I wouldn't be upset if we acquired either Escobar or Hu. Though they both could surprise, I can't see either being middle of the order hitters -- and I wouldn't count on them being top of the order hitters -- but having a shortstop that doesn't have to hit last thanks to a sub-.300 OBP would be a nice luxury.

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The inhouse candidates
Danny Richar -- DOB: 06/09/83 Year Lvl AB 2B 3B HR BB K AvG OBP SLG 2003 A+ 405 19 9 1 14 70 .304 .331 .402 2004 A+ 383 13 4 6 16 78 .282 .312 .384 AA 82 3 0 0 7 17 .207 .286 .244 2005 A+ 454 32 8 20 32 64 .300 .347 .537 2006 AA 480 25 5 8 52 77 .292 .360 .415 2007 AAA 366 23 8 12 34 65 .303 .364 .508
Richar's got a lot working against him. His A+ and AAA numbers all come in extreme hitter's parks. He has a wild throwing arm which helped precipitate a move to second base, though he's played about half his games at short since arriving in Charlotte. And I really didn't like his batting style that he displayed in the lone clip of him that I've seen. He doesn't have a lot of size (the listed 6'0" 170 seems generous. I'm 6'0" 170, I should know.) and his bottom half too active for my liking. I'm not optimistic about his prospects, but he has really put up some numbers the last few seasons, so maybe he's figured something out. Anywho, I bet he ends up as a utility player.
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by The Cheat on Jul 18, 2007 12:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Andy Gonzalez
His defense was the worst of the Valido-Lopez-Gonzalez infield prospect trio of a few years ago, and I'd describe it as below average at short. We haven't gotten to see him much on the IF, but I feel comfortable in saying that he could easily replace Alex Cintron next season. He's not going to be a starter on a good team, but he could be a valuable utility guy in the future.
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by The Cheat on Jul 18, 2007 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ends up a utility player...
...but starts at 2B for the Sox in 2008? I have a feeling that Richar will be starting in the MI for the Sox next season. He's an Podsball type of player  and that is apparently attractive to the Sox. I originally unhappy that he was the likely 2B next season, but given the extended look he's getting at short I suppose I should be happy if the Sox settle on 2B instead of SS. The Sox could have a pretty dismal defensive infield next season (more reason to trade Garland now).

by hitlesswonder on Jul 18, 2007 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

6'0, 170 seemed about right
At least as far as a height-weight ratio is concerned.  He also seemed to have kind of a lanky gait when fielding.

Then again, I'm 6'1", 205, so perhaps I'm not qualified to judge.  Or maybe overqualified.

by Sox Machine on Jul 18, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hu
Great writeup, but to be complete I think it needs some completely subjective speculation as to the cost of getting him. Would Garland do it? Would Graland be too much? What about trading Jenks for Hu+more? Supposedly LAD has expressed interest in Dotel, so Jenks might be an option....

by hitlesswonder on Jul 18, 2007 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Escobar
I don't think Atlanta's Yunel Escobar is being showcased for a trade. Odd as it may sound, Kelly Johnson is now being platooned at second with Escobar despite having a far superior bat. (.855 OPS! .390 OBP! WTF!?!?!?)
Stretch!

by stevegoz on Jul 18, 2007 1:27 AM CDT reply actions  

D-Rays
i could see the d-rays moving Brignac or Harris. Harris is finally living up to the hype after bouncing around a bit & Reid has finally started to heat up again down at AA Montgomery. Also Zobrist seems like he could be had pretty easily. All Three can't occupy SS, and with Longoria at 3B; Iwamura looks to be moving to 2B in the very near future.

by beautox on Jul 18, 2007 2:36 AM CDT reply actions  

More on Harris
"I think this guy plays with a fiery passion," Foley said. "He gets mad when he makes an out, he gets mad when he makes an error. It hurts when he loses. I think it bothers him, as it should everybody else, and I'm sure it does everybody else, but it shows on him, you can see that. He's a gamer, he plays hard and you know how they talk about those dirt players? This guy is just a hard-nosed player."

Link

I think Brignac or Harris along with someone like OF Desmond Jennings  could be had for Garland.

thoughts?

by beautox on Jul 18, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'ver been watching the Rays more often
these days (nothing else to watch most days here) and Harris looks interesting.  Seems to handle himself well in the field and his stick is really coming around.  

I'd think he's better than any of the folks on our roster at this point.  I think the Rays are delusional, however, in what they want for any of their talent - OF, SP, IF, whatever.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Response
Concerning Brignac, I personally think he's an interesting guy but he's got some significant flaws. He's streaky, he's a fastball hitter who has issues with breaking stuff, and he's probably not going to be a particularly good SS defensively. You're looking at a guy whose favorable comp looks an awful lot like a bigger version of Jose Valentin at this point.

He'd still be a solid pickup in exchange for Garland, but I doubt Kenny's going to move a Vazquez or a Garland without getting a promising young arm in return. AA RHP Chris Mason would be a possibility there. Jennings is a long way from the majors and the Rays can afford to take it slow on his development . . .don't see him being moved.

by mrkupe on Jul 18, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Escobar
I like escobar a lot, but hu is intriguing.  I still think Richar will be an everyday middle infielder (probably 2nd).
Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Jul 18, 2007 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Hu
another day and his AAA line looks even more ridiculous.... .538/.556/1.000
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by The Cheat on Jul 18, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hu's next?
This could be just as good as the "Wang" jokes.

I love Asian names.  Good material.

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by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how some people are just now...
realizing how much a liability Uribe has been the past 3 years
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 18, 2007 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

well... 2 1/2 years. His 2004 was very good
But we haven't even seen a glimpse of both the contact and power he displayed that year.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 18, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knucklehead (and I say it with a great
deal of affection, SC):

Look at the replay of the final out of the 2005 WS and remember what almost immediately preceded it.  Juan is above reproach for 2005.  He has been a liability this year and perhaps part of last.  

2005 is in the glass case and ought not be disturbed, as it is a masterpiece beyond criticism.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let us not forget
when Juan threw himself into the first couple of rows of fans to catch a foul pop. I get goosebumps just thinking about it (or it might be the air conditioning in my office...I'm not sure).

I think Juan can be very good when he wants to try, but I fear he is playing "lazy" since he knows this season is shot in the ass.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jul 18, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree w/ the part this season is shot in the ass
Might be a good place to discuss:

Isn't Ozzie's responsibility to motivate these guys, to help get them out of ruts? If it was a hohum mediocre season, no problem. But we have seen TWO collapses of epic proportions, (Larry's description of hitting woes about 1 month ago) -  1. debacle-like hitting for 2+ months AND 2. the bullpen blowups. Plus, bullshit like Uribe being lazy.

Collapses like these 2 you don't see everyday. Isn't it VERY ODD we've seen BOTH within months of each other on the same team?

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

My theory is
when your weekly paycheck can buy a house, you should ALWAYS be "up" for a game. Aside from the "grind" of a long season (boo hoo for you and your Lexus fellas), it is a blessing to play a sport for a living. You are paid to entertain your fans, so you should be doing it every game...making a play up the middle, running out grounders, etc.

However, humans aren't built that way. I've played on championship softball teams where guys were just insane and couldn't wait to pummel opponents. And I've played on some shit teams where the guys can't wait to get to the bar.

Unfortunately, some of the Sox players can't wait to get to the bar. Other than becoming a hard ass and benching slackers, I don't think there's much Ozzie can do about it at this point.

Even when the offense puts up runs, the pitching figures out a way to blow it. When a game is tight they can't hold on...so it's getting frustrating and, to a degree, futile.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jul 18, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously...
Uribe didn't win us the 2005 WS. Our starting pitching did. Uribe was a disaster last year when he posted a NEGATIVE VORP and he's been a disaster this year. His 2005 was just barely passable. You put an average SS in his place and he makes most of those plays he made that year, with probably a better stick.

Don't let your 2005 WS feelings block your ability to reason.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 18, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said the last 2 1/2 years, which is what
I am challenging.  It's been less than 2 full seasons, more like 1 1/2.  Remember, he came out like a house on fire this year, too, the only one who was hitting the first few weeks.

It's not personal - it's strictly business, Sonny.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ultimately, Uribe has had...
exactly one good season with us in 2004 when he finished the season with a really nice .833 OPS.  But 2004 is a long time ago.  We can do better now that Uribe is fat and his defense has regressed.

The knock on Uribe was always his laziness and inability to stay in shape.  Now it looks like he is going to eat himself out of the league, if he doesn't strike his way out first.

Good riddance.

by SSH2005 on Jul 18, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it's not personal, but he sucks.
So he had a -good- (and I use that term loosely)couple weeks at the beginning of the season. I  hardly agree he was on fire for that time period, but I guess in comparison to the rest of our team, he was.

He finished April with a .737 OPS.

Yeah.... FIRRRRRRRRRE! EN FUEGO, BABY!

Pfffft.

You paint Uribe as some hidden hero for the Sox... some behind closed doors savior... someone who is the glue that binds the team together... the lube that greases the wheels and gears... I dunno, I'm running out of comparisons. But seriously, he isn't any of these. He's Adam Everett, only without the speed.

I believe Richar could provide us with better offense than Uribe right now. Defense, well, maybe not, because Richar is reportedly brutal at SS. Find me a league-average SS, sign him for min. salary, and he provides us more than Mr. Profundo.

 

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...
Uribe was a bit better than "barely passable" in 2005, mainly because he was one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball.  That alone made him a tremendous asset, in particular because he didn't take up a large chunk of the payroll.

Even last year, he was well above-average defensively.

He seems to have lost a step or two this year, however.  If he's truly regressed to even an average defensive shortstop, he's not worth keeping around.

Like Guillen said, I'd be willing to give him until the end of the season to see if he can turn things around.  If not, I'd look for other alternatives.  Hopefully the Sox can get someone young and good in trade, because the free agent options this winter look pretty bad.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 18, 2007 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uribe's OPS and salary with the White Sox...
2004:  .833 OPS @ $350,000 dollars
2005:  .712 OPS @ $2,150,000 dollars
2006:  .698 OPS @ $3,150,000 dollars
2007:  .608 OPS @ $4,150,000 dollars
2008:  .??? OPS @ $5,000,000 dollars

If that isn't an obvious trend of decline, I don't know what is.  Hawk and D.J. can wait as long as they want for Juanito to get hot, but guess what?  It ain't happening.  Uribe is definitely not worth $5 million dollars at this point.  Good shortstops that can play defense AND also hit are hard to find but Uribe is doing absolutely nothing for us these days.  Give Juanito his $300,000 dollar buyout and let him take his !PROFUNDO! somewhere else.

by SSH2005 on Jul 18, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
And as I've said a gazillion times before, defense is overrated.

Everyone wants to hop on the "Uribe sucks" bandwagon now because he's booted a few balls, or has lost a step in the field. The fact is with the exception of 2004 and part of 2005, he has been a liability to this team, both financially and offensively.

Missing one play in the field every now and then isn't nearly as bad as going 0-4 with 2K's and 2 popouts every game.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ergo Dal Maxville, Mark Belanger,
Gene "The Stick" Michael, even Ozzie Smith, early in his career (before he learned to hit) all had longevity because they were the "glue", or QB, of the infield even though they had no stick.  Shoeless, in now way am I suggesting he's the secret sauce of this team.  He did rise to the top in a few instances in 2005 and again at the beginning of this year.  You just appear to be trashing the whole of his career since 2004, and I take issue with that.

Also, in a previous post last week I mentioned that I have become less enamoured of him over the past 2 months after being solidly behimd him in April/May.  See, some of us can filter somewhat dispassionately new information and alter our previous assessment based upon that new information.  And I have.

So look forward.  Dude.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 19, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love it...
if someone like Adam Everett or Jack Wilson or Tony Pena Jr. were playing for the Sox.  Someone that is like Uribe used to be - a defensive whiz with limited offensive abilities.

There aren't many shortstops who can both hit and play defense.  In fact, as far as the Sox are concerned, there are none.  The few that are around aren't going anywhere - they're among the most valuable players in baseball.

There aren't even many shortstops who can hit but can't field.  Felipe Lopez was one last year, but his stock has dropped dramatically.

The old saying was, "shake a tree, and a couple of good gloves will fall out".  I don't know if that's true any more - there simply aren't very many quality defensive shortstops around.  Sure, the Sox could bring in a Royce Clayton type for a year, but ew.  What's the point of that?

If the Sox can somehow pry away a good shortstop prospect from someone, that would be terrific.  But I'm not optimistic that that will happen.  As much as Uribe isn't a good option, I don't see much else out there that would be better.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 19, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who would you rather have at SS...
Juan Uribe... or Troy Glaus?

Juan Uribe... or Miguel Tejada?

Juan Uribe... or Nomar Garciaparra before injuries?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather...
have Tejada or pre-always-hurt Garciaparra (as would any sane individual), but not Glaus out there.  He can fill in in an emergency, but he's not much more an everyday shortstop than Jermaine Dye is.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 19, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

the point is...
they are all worse fielders than Uribe even on a bad day but are so much better offensively that it's still not a choice for me.

I'd rather have any of them over Uribe.

Glaus played SS in college, and is a MUCH better defensive SS than Jermaine Dye ever prays to be. He's fairly underrated defensively at SS. I'd take Glaus and his .250 average and 30 HR's any day over Uribe's garbage.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree about Glaus...
if he could handle the position, he'd be playing there.

In any case, these are all pipe dreams.  There aren't even any fair-fielding shortstops who can hit like Miguel Tejada even close to available.  I don't think many here wouldn't like to see an upgrade on Uribe, but that's easier said than done.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 19, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, let us not forget he tried to
catch a ball that was catchable for most SS with any semblance of "grit" and "determination". Notice the sarcasm.

I mean, if the point of playing the field is to catch the ball and make an out, and prevent the team from getting on base, then Uribe was simply doing his damn job. He needs to do his damn job at the plate.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2007 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sox v. Indians/Sep 2005
Everyone remembers Joe Crede winning it in the 10th in a must win game.  But Jenks had just blown the lead in the 9th to tie the game, and the Indians still had first and third with two out.  Hard grounder in the hole, Uribe came up with a great backhand pickup on the OF grass.  Was at that game, good seats behind first base - Uribe was all contorted and hunched over with his back to first base, but somehow a laser came out of blackness of the night and exploded into Paulie's glove to just beat the runner at first and keep the game tied.  Unfuckingbelievable.

It's difficult for me to get too down on these guys after '05.  

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was at M, T, W &Th games,
last one against Minn. Absolutely the most stress I've ever experienced. Seemingly going down in flames. I couldn't deal with it, so I didn't watch or listen to the Fri Twins game, a decent win.

The rest is history.

Although these '07 performances are taxing my "It's difficult for me to get too down on these guys after '05" mindset.

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stress, lots of stress
I went to about 20 games that year with a regular crew of my buddies, good times.  

This Crede game, one friend of mine was particularly agitated, just living and dying on every pitch from the get go.  He told us the night before at this local bar, one bigmouth asshole Cub fan (is there any other kind?) was really riding him, saying the Sox were going to blow the huge lead, they're gaggers, blahblahblah.  Whatever, relax homes, it's a baseball game - have another beer.

So the game is just a complete stomach churner the whole night.  Bottom of the 10th, three of us are up on the concourse chain smoking, the agitated one is still in our seats.  Crede goes deep, every goes crazy, time to go home.  But he's still down in his seat, won't move an inch.  Finally go down to get him, and he's just staring into space.  WTF, game's over - let's go!  "Dude, I bet that asshole $5,000 on this game."  

Whoa, as if that game wasn't intense enough.  I would've shit myself five times that night if I had money riding on it.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very good.
That Uribe play was one for the ages.

This was when no one knew Jenks. Ozzie kept trotting him out and Jenks looked like he was going to have  a fucking coronary!

An unbelievable regular season pre ASB, unbelievable post ASB and certainly an unbelievable post season.

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely, Jenks was a total widowmaker
Hermanson was down, Shingo was long gone, and we had everything riding on Bobby.  He sure was't automatic by any means.

The big guy turned it up to 11 in the playoffs, he was untouchable.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except for...
Game 2 of the World Series (he blew a two-run lead, leading to Podsednik's homer).

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 18, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the WS
I've still got the unused tickets for home games 3 & 4 that never got played.  I'm not a memorabilia guy, do the unplayed games have any collector value?  ebay has some stuff for sale, but it's for WS Game 2.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's it? figures
No respect for the Sox.  If it were the Cubs you know that kind of stuff would be going for $500.

I've got my WS Game 2 stub pinned on the bulletin board in my office.  Not even the cleaning people bother stealing it.

At least give us a winning team for our troubles.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game 1, 2,3 & 4 (the games played)
are probably worth $75 to $100 each in vg condition.

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

vg condition?
Do crinkles, thumbtack holes and jizz stains matter?

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jizz stains?
I cried when they won.

Appaently my reaction wasn't quite so intense as yours.

President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on Jul 18, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Pod go very dip,
my hramm make romance explosion in ah, pants.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 18, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHA
Re: unused tickets, wait until some of the team croak and watch the value skyrocket.

Also, wait until we don't win shit for another 50 years and (if you are still alive) watch the values explode then.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

1st 2 are definitely a negative.
Some collectors might value the 3rd, depending on the depositor.

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"We'll open this auction..."
"...with a pair of panties confiscated from a prostitute."
"50 bucks."
"She had nine STD's."
"45 bucks."
"And when we caught her, she wet herself."
"50 bucks."

by Sox Machine on Jul 18, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I was watching it ad nauseum
last night, in addition to the last out of the WS.  Uribe was great down the stretch (my recollection, anyway) defensively.  How can such a young guy lose it so fast?  

Even Tank Cabrera in FL can still play a decent 3rd (though SS is a tougher position to do well when you're fat).  So WTF?  Is it the legal crap?  Or $ killing motivation?

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cheat, where do you find stats like
outfield-to-out-at-home DP #'s? I've often marveled at how often we get thrown out at home vs. throwing them out at home. I'd like to look more deeply at the #'s including thrown out after a hit.

BTW thanks, great stat!

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Find stats... heck, where do find time
Do you sleep?
White Sox baseball, let the kids learn to play

by Brush Back on Jul 18, 2007 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better yet, hjow do you find time
to watch riveting TV like the Gilmour Girls?

;)

PS I watched that 2005 last out another 30 times before I shut down last night.  Never will it get old.

I'll be dead before all of you

by winningugly on Jul 18, 2007 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you not have the DVD's?
I got the A&E box set...

it's a shame, however, that the only included the clinchers from the ALCS and ALDS. The game with the infamous passed ball and AJ incident isn't on there. Crede's blast against K-Rod isn't there either. It's a shame, I really, really want those series in entirety.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 18, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOBODY sleeps!
I marvel at the # of posts during the 1 to 3 in the morning timeframe.

I need my 8 hours.

by ballyb on Jul 18, 2007 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball reference Play index
I'm sure if somebody knew how to manually hack the URL right, you could get all 9-2 (or 8-2, or 7-2) putouts the Sox made. I was only able to get the SF DP variety because it was rarer, and had a neat little check box.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 18, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Richar
What about Danny Richar down in Charlotte.

by Joeynach on Jul 18, 2007 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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