Don't stop believin'

by The Cheat on Aug 29, 2007 11:56 PM CDT in News Comment 94 comments

"I would give Ozzie an 'A.' This team never packed it in, and I give Ozzie credit. -- Jerry Reinsdorf

"I finally have to admit it -- we're horse shit. I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horse shit." -- Ozzie Guillen

It's hard to argue that Ozzie hasn't quit when he refuses to get Jermaine Dye off the bench or find a way to get any right-handed pitcher into the game against Sammy Sosa in an extra inning game. Either he doesn't care, or he's incompetent. Take your pick. * * * * *

My router has been crapping out with increasing regularity, which partially explains my lack of presence here lately. I'll try to add a post in this space tonight (no guarantees). I promise i'll get it fixed this weekend, so that the lack of posts will be entirely a reflection of my apathy towards this sorry excuse for a baseball team.

Use this thread for your morning venting.

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Just 18.5 out of first

This team has too much talent to not finish in the top two this year. There's still time...

by CWSKeith on Aug 30, 2007 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You can't count out any team

That has Jerry Owens speed and Erstad's heady play.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2007 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tell you what feisty

those two are baseball players. Excuse me while I go take a dump.

The leadoff position is the hardest to fill.

by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2007 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hawk's old man poo's. Haha.

by SSH2005 on Aug 30, 2007 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course

Don't stop believin'

implies that I had been believin' at some point this season.

by BustedFlush on Aug 30, 2007 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the website banner...

"Waiting for Pedro Alvarez"

I guess you just gave up on the hope of getting Walker fired.

by quartz77277 on Aug 30, 2007 3:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All I can say is - 5 fucking hits.

ZERO after the 5th inning. That's NADA off of
Wright 4.15, Rheinecker 5.95, Francisco 4.61,
Wilson 2.40 and Littleton 3.44.

Haven't looked yet, but I hope Tampa Bay lost. I'm afraid nothing short of DEAD LAST will be enough for real change.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 6:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, hey. Only 4 games up.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

X-rated rant follows loss to Rangers

Is the perfect or what? I get to take a break today, Ozzie is doing the ranting for us:

"Well, they're killing me," Guillen said. "They're killing my family. They're killing my coaching staff, killing the White Sox fans. They kill the owner. They kill everyone. I hope they feel the same way we feel."

It gets better:

"A $100 million payroll and those guys don't show how much they make in the field. Well, Kenny [Williams], I don't say what he has to do, but we play like this and spend all that money on the club like that, I will shut the payroll and go with Double-A kids if we have to, because it's not easy. I know those guys go out there and they care about it."

Seems like Ozzie also wants to take a chain saw to this team, alright!!!!!! I also like the allusion to the negative VORPS (Double-A kids) - Ozzie is becoming a stathead, outstanding! I'm starting to like him more and more, you da man Ozzie!

Full article Guillen rips into Sox

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 7:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I read that too.

Very nice. I respect Ozzie a little more after this. At least he's not giving excuses.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 30, 2007 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I respect Ozzie a little more after this?

It's the 2nd to last day in August. They've been playing like this all fucking year.

Give me a break. He should have called them out earlier. I'm not talking about slumps. I'm talking about FUNDAMENTALS and HUSTLING, bunting and charging balls in the outfield to compensate for a weak arm.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He still manages like a fool

But I like the fact that at least someone in the organization broke the "it's just a blip, everything will be okey-dokey next year" conspiracy and spoke up about how seriously flawed this team is.

Time to flush the horseshit out of the stables.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bunting and charging balls

Just examples.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

After the way he managed last night

He should keep his yap shut. Plus, he's playing 4 guys who started the year in AAA. I guess he wants to move on to AA players since he's seen all AAA has to offer. Then the Sox can call up WS, Kannapolis, Great Falls after each set of players disappoints Oz...I'm thinking Ozzie isn't the guy to rebuild with.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow - the morning we have a rant area

Ozzie takes all the pent up frustration and says it for us. Nice to see everyone accountable, not just the rookies this time.

Georgia has a pretty good group of kids we could field.

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Coop on the WSCR shortly

Be interesting to hear him after Ozzie's rant from yesterday

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Nice to see everyone accountable"???

Except Oswaldo Guillen, Sr. and his precious coaching staff!!!!!

Here's some more of his rant.

"You keep failing like that, well, Greg Walker doesn't hit. Ozzie Guillen doesn't hit. Don Cooper isn't pitching. Then have fun."

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ozzie may be crazy but he ain't stupid

He's not going to be the one to fall on the grenade.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was referring to the players

You're right - though he keeps asking to be fired. (Can't quit, if he did he'd lose the last year of his salary). I was actually referring to the manner in which vets seem to be held to a different standard then the new players - which is fine except when their performance on the field doesn't warrant it.
The reality is it is just a complete organizational failure from the top down. There were signs of this (though not this bad), and the organization ignored them. And were they didn't ignore them they took routes that just did not work.

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Ozzie Guillen doesn't hit."

Twas always true, that statement.

by asinwreck on Aug 30, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coop doesn't pitch

Yep, true too

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is what I remember from my childhood

of following the Sox, Hawks and Bears.

Lots of anguish.

I became a fair weather fan (except pro football which I learned to dislike and the Hawks where I used to STAND at 30+ games a year and now, well enough said).

But the '04 and '05 Sox drew me back. Ugly, just ugly.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Same - though different

My son drew me back in with little league - up until that the strike had finished me for a few years.

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A possible replacement for Podsednik?

"Catalanotto was replaced in left field in the top of the second because of a sore right groin."

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Penthouse wife / girlfriend?

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's Adam Archuletta of the Bears

His girlfriend is ex-Playboy Centerfold Jennifer Walcott. Google her. You'll be glad you did.

by lofistew on Aug 30, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pods Wife = Lisa Dergan

Another ex-Playboy centerfold. Google her. You'll be glad you did

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Aug 31, 2007 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does "Google" mean what I think it does?

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 31, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Time for some straightforward talk

The cat's out of the bag now.

I'm not going to berate the Sox for what they've done in the past. They put what they honestly thought would be a competitive team on the field this year, and it just didn't work out they way they envisioned it.

But I think it's time that JR or KW came out and said, "Despite our best efforts, it's become obvious to everyone that the team as currently constructed can't compete. Major changes are needed, and we won't shy away from making tough decisions this winter - even if it means moving popular players. We won't be shy about spending money, but we need to be smarter on how we spend it. We appreciate the support we've gotten from our great fans in the past, and we ask that you continue to support us as we restructure this team. We're going to work hard to bring you another World Series championship."

It's not a total disaster, Sox can build around the pitching. But this entire offense needs to be revamped. How are they going to do that? Huh, good luck.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ticket sales

CHOO!! CHOO!!

by colintj on Aug 30, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know, but the cat's out of the bag anyway

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

God forbid if the Cubs

go anywhere in the post season.

I promise you - PEOPLE WILL NOT SIT IN THAT PIECE OF CRAP UPPER DECK TO WATCH BAD BASEBALL. The US Cellular will turn into to a morgue.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i saw sell-out after sell-out

for years when the bulls sucked really, really badly. i'm not sure all those people who ponied up for season tickets are going to give them up so quickly. i'm sure there will be an attendance drop but i doubt it's going to be as precipitous (at least initially) as some on here are predicting.

Jerry Owens: he's a g*ddamn lead off hitter

by larry on Aug 30, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

65% of the upper deck absolutely sucks.

People will sit there when they win. Not for this crap.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Were you watching the Bulls

away games? I remember being at post-Jordan games. Let me say this: me and the wife went to one particular game and a t-shirt got shot up to the seats, right down the row from us. Casually, she walked down the row, grapped the entwined shirt, and returned to her seat. M-T.

by southsider80 on Aug 30, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sell-out

does not mean turnstile. it means tickets sold. they were selling out every game until 2000 and after that were still one of the top 5 draws or better (around 20,000) in the NBA. 90%+ capacity for an awful team.

Jerry Owens: he's a g*ddamn lead off hitter

by larry on Aug 30, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This game actually

was in Jan of 2000. Regardless, even people not going is indicative of bad tidings and eventually, those paid for but not used seats eventually become unsold (if the team doesn't turn things around).

by southsider80 on Aug 30, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also,

if people aren't there, that means a giant hit in merchandise, concessions, and parking. Ticket sales aren't everything.

by southsider80 on Aug 30, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

I think they won't take a huge hit on ticket sales. Since they made all the changes at the Cell you don't have the constant barrage in the newspapers about what a horrible park it is anymore. It's actually a good place to watch a game, and they've gotten so many new fans to come out there the past couple years that they'll get the repeat business.

Plus you'll get the corporate buyers who got burned not having good seats for the last WS, and had to pay through the nose for scalper prices. They realize it's cheaper just to buy the season tickets so they're guaranteed good playoff tickets.

Watch the games at the Cell this year, the fans are still using their tickets and their still supportive. I'm really surprised that there hasn't been the massive booing like you've had at Wrigley the last few years.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

It won't be a large as some think - there seems to be a different gen of fans there now. But they also could be there reaping the benfefits of free tickets from holders too. I'll be renewing again, though reducing what I have (the group is weakening). There is also the aspect of a lot of holders hoping to upgrade - though they'll be locked in before they can find out if they can move.
On the otherside - if tickets are available at below cost - see ebay - why renew? (Corps are a different client)

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The big hit will be advance ticket sales

for individual games. Unless it's Cubs or Yankees/Boston there's not much urgency to make sure you have a ticket in your hand next year.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely agree there

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Actually there are only two bright spots out of all of this: A good draft pick and hopefully being able to upgrade my season tics.

by bhoov on Aug 30, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I participate in this blog.

How refreshing that would be. Not only refreshing, but it would clear the air and they wouldn't have to hide behind the curtains any more. It would take a weight of my shoulders, I know that.

What are the stages? 1. Denial.... Admission.......

Thanks, Pete. Still one of the best lines of the year was your lotion and Kleenix for a Danks start.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stages of acceptance:

Denial (We're great!)
Anger (We suck! I'm never going to a game again!)
Bargaining (We're only a SS/LF/CF/3B/2B/reliever away)
Depression (I can't go on - barkeep, pour another one.)
Acceptance (It's only a game, and I love the Sox no matter how inept.)

Ozzie: Anger
KW: Bargaining (constantly)
JR: Acceptance (rubbing his WS ring and counting his gate receipts that are bolstered by 2005's memory)
SSS posters: Anywhere from 2-4. Mostly 2-3. Brush back is 4.

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Very good

What's interesting is that the fans here moved through all these stages back in April/May, and it's just now starting to kick in for Sox management. They're getting PAID to view this team in an objective, businesslike manner.

That JD extension is what really makes me nervous, that was really a bad, bad move IMO. I don't think KW makes that decision if he waited till September 1.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I moved on to 5

Otherwise I'd never have made it through Boston - the rant pushed me on.

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does everyone remember Ozzie tends

to go nuclear at the end of the year? In '05 he was ready to quit, hang it up, etc. as we were imploding/staggering to the finish. e ranted last year, too. I'd prefer he get pissed situationally and not vomit all over everyone. (Point taken to the poster who mentioned Oz isn't managing too well, either, so it might be a good start if he looks into the mirror.)

By the way, can we pass the effin' hat for Cheat? if rats aren't chewing through his cables his router is bent as badly as Pods' groin. Any Website we can contribute funds to our Main Man?

I mean, for Chrissakes.

PS It is a total disaster. Florida was a laughinstock after they cut payroll after their WS win. Our efforts are worse - we have tried to remain competitive and are STILL horseshit. Tampa Bay horseshit!

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

In '05 he berated the team

as our lead was approaching ZERO. Same time but VERY DIFFERENT situation.

We've stunk for a long, long time. Well over a year.
Last year it was "if we don't make the payoffs, ho hum, I'll go sit on my boat."

This year it was "we got the talent, we got the talent. They want to win. They want to win." All the while ignoring the BAD BASEBALL. Not losing, but THE BAD BASEBALL that his team was playing.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is that Ozzie

generalizes his use of the rant. You made my point - when he's frustrated, no matter what the situation (first or last place) his coping/motivational strategy includes the "burn it down" speech.

Not that we're looking for shades of grey, but he might want to change up on occasion, or it gets old even with championships (see Pat Riley).

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's look at the Ozzie Hit List

The handling of BA.
The famous Hinske shift.
The Terrero experiment.
Righty lefty matchups, in the lineup and the pen.

Anyone can add as they wish, I'm sure there's more. The point is that you can't put all the blame on the shitty players Oz has to deal with; he's also sabatoged his own roster, and has made a number mind-boggling in-game decisions (leaving Pods in the game against Oakland with BA on the bench, only to have the winning drive bounce off his head).

by southsider80 on Aug 30, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That ball hit the wall...

before hitting Podsednik. Nobody short of Superman could have caught that fly ball.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 30, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forget it, JRE

That's taken on a "Al Gore invented the Internet" life of its own.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was at that ballgame.

and it was clear to me that it hit the wall. I didn't even know that it hit Podsednik until later.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 30, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BA would have caught it anyway

his magic locks would have teleported him to the ball.

"Bad is bad, and we're bad." -Don Cooper

by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want to play!

I also love the intentional walk to Gerald La(i)rd last night.

Half of my life, spent doing time for some other fucker's crime. The other half found me stumbling around, drunk on burgundy wine.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Pods in the noggin game was an instant classic

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sheer genius

hahaha

"Bad is bad, and we're bad." -Don Cooper

by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was Cheat's artwork,

this was the funniest thing I saw here all year.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We need to get him some router money

I miss heem

"Bad is bad, and we're bad." -Don Cooper

by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2nd suggestion for passing a hat for Cheat

(Ahem. I suggested the philanthropic act earlier today.)So....how do we do it?

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is...

cheaper than the therapy we'd need

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cheat, does SSS have a physical address?

Really.

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding?

I NEED therapy because of my participation on this site!

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easiest way is paypal

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Time for some straightforward talk

Ozzie said today in Mark Gonzalez' column "it is going to be tough to get at-bats for Pods". This is one of the problems Ozzie cannot discipline his players, [unless they don't hit a batter upon command from Ozzie] why on God's green earth is Ozzie concerned about getting Pods any at-bats? Ozzie fell in love with Pods for his speed two years ago but Pods has been a poor player since 2005 and Ozzie cannot face that fact. Ozzie rants in interviews after games but doesn't communicate directly to each player, from what I can see. Each player should be told what is expected of him at the beginning of each season and then let the player know when he falls short, not simply rant at all players when Ozzie finally explodes.
If the player doesn't perform work with them for a while, trade them, send them to the minors, or dump them and rebuild.
Good luck on next season with Ozzie.

by Florida Jim on Aug 30, 2007 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Excellent point .

Erstad was referenced also. Add Cintron.

They all have some injuries. DL them and bring up a scrub. Anyone, I'm tired of these guts.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

To Florida Jim's post.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really...

the problem isn't that the players aren't trying hard - they're doing the best job they can. The problem is that the players the team has aren't good.

OPS -

Darin Erstad - .664
Andy Gonzalez - .643
Juan Uribe - .630
Danny Richar - .622
Jerry Owens - .585

These are all unacceptable numbers. Absolutely terrible, and there's no way the team can hide these guys. But it's not like they're doing worse than you'd expect them to. When Guillen sees guys popping up and hitting weak grounders, that's the best these guys can do.

I understand Guillen's frustration - nobody likes to lose. But don't blame the players. Blame Ken Williams, who saddled the team with a bunch of garbage and then wondered why they don't win.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 30, 2007 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

but Ozzie's an ass for putting someone like Owens at the top of the lineup every day.

by BustedFlush on Aug 30, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree and disagree.

Very mediocre players, agreed.

I don't think it is or has been "the best these guys can do."

FUNDAMENTALS and HUSTLE are lacking.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They're hustling...

they're just bad. I'm not seeing a whole lot of mental mistakes or blown plays out there - they're just not good ballplayers.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 30, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As Larry said the other day,

To each his own (opinion).

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with jre

This team has a lot of bad, bad players. Some are just plain bad (Cintron) while others are now in their decline years (Contrears) and some others we are still unsure of (Richar).

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Aug 30, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't agree more

That's what makes this year so depressing to me. It's not like a bunch of guys are just having terrible years (although Konerko and Dye did get off to lousy starts, but their season totals will likely be respectable.) The problem is that we have a bunch of bad players and no amount of hustle or grit or grinding can mask that fact.

The Sox have about 3 and a half major league hitters (Dye, Thome, Konerko and maybe Pierzynski). The rest are the very definition of "replacement level." (I'm not sold on Fields -- he's got power, but he's also got a lot of holes in his swing. I bet the league will adjust to him eventually.) You can't win when half your everyday lineup consists of the players JRE listed above.

And the cupboard looks pretty bare in the minors as well. I'm afraid the Sox could be bad for the foreseeable future.

by lofistew on Aug 30, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4 years of bad

That's what I hear Baseball Prospectus is projecting

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coop on WSCR

No ranting or raving - just good talk

Link

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That was a good interview

thank God Mike didnt try to get Coop riled.

"Bad is bad, and we're bad." ~Coop

The leadoff position is the hardest to fill.

by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Greg Walker's Words of Wisdom

cowley:

All I can say is that Juan plays the game the way Juan plays the game.

by The Wizard on Aug 30, 2007 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just Juan being Juan

Now if Juan was being AJ, or if Walk was being Coop, or if Thome was being Erstad, we'd have a "News at 11" 5-alarm fire!

I believe only John Rambo has a vocabulary more limited than Greg "Cigar Store Indian" Walker.

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Walk has the lexicon

prowess of BB Thorton in Sling Blade. But less eloquent.

by southsider80 on Aug 30, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The quicker Juan gets back

to the DR, the better.

He's likely to get involved in some legal mishap again, so perhaps we'll never see him again.

Profundo no mas!

"I give Ozzie an 'A'... This team has never packed it in and I give Ozzie the credit." - Jerry Reinsdorf

by tailgater on Aug 30, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone else checked out

early before the last long summer weekend? My boss/secretary/clients have already left for the day and are probably splashing in their 90 degree, temperature-of-urine pools.

It is tough being responsible. Ask our players!

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I just arrived in Michigan,

aka The Holy Land.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 30, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia has season-ending shoulder surgery

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2997866

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

OK, KW kicked ass on that one

I mean, that's about as one sided as it gets.

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Aug 30, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least the Phils got

some innings out of Freddy.

In the Wells trade, Sirotka never even pitched!

by BustedFlush on Aug 30, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He made up for it with Iguchi

Last place - help me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Aug 30, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Red Sox Nation

ought to send a case of Champagne (la Tori Hunter) to

Each of the 25 Sox players

* Ozzie
* his coaches
* Herm
* the bullpen catcher
* Kenny Williams
* Rick Hahn
* Jerry Reinsdorf

for not laying down in the 4 game series last weekend.

You reap what you sow.

by ballyb on Aug 30, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously...

You guys CANNOT blame OZzie for the play of this team...

I mean a guy can only do so much... with the crap he has been given... Joe Torre couldn't make this team a winner, nor Francona, nor Billy Martin... Bobby Cox... etc. This team SUX. Ozzie isn't to blame. The GM who put together this team is to blame.

Managing a ball club is the MOST OVERRATED job in the world. ANYONE can manage a ball club. Seriously... How many wins did Ozzie cost us this year? How many wins did Ozzie brings us this year? I am willing to bet that Ozzie was average. Ozzie isn't our problem... we have a PERSONNEL problem.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 31, 2007 3:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you can't be serious!

You guys CANNOT blame OZzie for the play of this team...

we can't blame ozzie for everything but we can blame him for a lot of things

examples? they're all over SSS...

by The Wizard on Aug 31, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure he's made some bogus moves

and some idiotic ones as well... but so does every manager. My point is that with another manager in there the Sox -maybe- win like 3-4 more games. If that. Ozzie can't make the players hit the ball or pitch well.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unless you're actively looking to fuck things up

a manager isn't going to affect many games. 3-4 is the high end. ozzie makes some good moves that other managers wouldn't and that (unfortunately) balances out some of the odd ones.

Jerry Owens: he's a g*ddamn lead off hitter

by larry on Aug 31, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs