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Notes from Fantasy Camp

I'll have time to add to this later, but thought I'd leave a teaser or two.  Since I posed these questions directly to the guys in question, it's straight from the horse's mouth(s):

  1.  Who does JR say is our starting CF?
  2.  What is Joe Crede's future with the organization?  (JR answers, again.)
  3.  Where is Fields playing on opening day?  (JR again.)
  4.  What are the plans for Uribe?  (JR.)
  5.  Will Cabrera be signed to a long-term deal? (JR.)
  6.  What does the AA pitching coach of Egbert/Broadway/Gio/Russell think of each of their prospects?  And how about DLS", too?   (Rich Dotson.)
  7.  Chiburb, what does Fregosi think of KW's abilities at 3B?  (Hysterical.)
  8.  Do Sox players think Mariotti's gay?
  9.  What % of players, according to Eddie Einhorn, are on performance-enhancing drugs?
  10.  Who are the two most powerful men in baseball?  (Fregosi.)
All to follow.  This camp is an effin' blast!

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looking forward to it
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Back from the best week of my life,
save my honeymoon in Spain in 2000 when the stock market was at an all-time high, and the euro was at an all-time low vs. the dollar.  The guys are fantastic and funny as hell without pretense.  Many, many stories I'll bleed out over the next week, but here is the most salient information:

1.  JR and Eddie Einhorn took questions from the crowd (102 campers, average age around 55, all lifelong Sox fans)at a banquet Thursday night.  

JR:

-"The Josh Fields LF experiment is OVER.  Joe Crede will be traded or Josh will go back to AAA."
-"Nick Swisher will be our starting CF if Jerry Owens doesn't do the job."  
-"Juan Uribe will be playing 3 IF postions this year - we're comfortable with him in any of those positions."
-"Our goal is to sign Cabrera to a long-term deal."
-"Spring training will be different this year - we plan to simulate real game conditions."

Eddie:

-"We don't feel the actions of the 5% of the players who use steriods should overshadow the 95% of the players who don't."  

A couple guys in the crowd were very impressed with JR, who sounded to them "like a GM, very in touch with his players' strengths and weaknesses".

More tomorrow.  Chiburb, the KW 1988 3B "experiment" story is one of the best.  

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2008 7:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, one other fairly important object of
speculation - Konerko's not going anywhere, and will probably end up his career as a Sox (White), according to JR.  Mentioned many reasons, though he joked about his being a 5/10 guy in May.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2008 7:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ok, WU...
you've had 12 hours to sleep it off.  I want the Fregosi/Kenny story, and I want it now!
Glad you had a great time and didn't hurt yourself.
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 21, 2008 6:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Since you seem to be the only one who
cares, Chi, here goes:

First, when I asked him if it cost him his managerial job in '88, he got a bemused look on his face and went ahead.  (He ended up being my team's coach, along with Kravec, for the week, so we shared many drinks and stories.  Great guy.)  Seems Larry Himes, the former GM, decided that decent CF Kenny (who hit over .300) would make a GREAT 3B Kenny. Everyone in the organization knew Kenny was NOT a 3B, but Himes was the boss, so KW played 3B in ST.  Coaches worked daily with him, lots of time and effort.  ST ends - no improvement.  Fregosi says (as he bangs a metal water pitcher at the breakfast table) "Everybody KNEW Williams had hands like THIS (bang, bang against the steel) but we went North with him at third.  Larry Himes was the biggest a-hole in the majors - nobody could get along wth him."  JR suggested he try and get along with Himes.  Fregosi says "Nobody can get along with that a-hole."

As you pointed out, Chi, 32 games into the Himes experiment it is an unmitigated disaster.  After the season ended Jimmy was fired.  Fast forward to the following year - the manager who succeeded Fregosi leaves and JR calls Fregosi.  Says to Jimmy "You were right - nobody can get along with him."

I thought Fregosi was going to knock over the pitcher of water as hard as he was banging it.  Wonder why "Clank" wasn't Kenny's nickname?

Great story.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!!!
Great story indeed.

I always credited Fregosi with Kenny's successful rookie year, always getting on him to "stay small", not try to hit homers, etc.  That's why I just didn't get the 3B experiment.  "Himes" explains it all.

Thanks again, WU!

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 21, 2008 8:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll share how our new 3rd base coach
did in his debut, too, and how Razor is handling his Clearwater (Phillies "A" team) assignment tomorrow.

And what TV startlet Bill Melton nailed in his prime.  And Marriotti's (alleged) sexual preference.  And such.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

good stuff
keep 'em comin!
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 21, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed...
Winning, what you provides is like the US Weekly of White Sox culture. Really good stuff, of course.

by HulkSmash on Jan 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for that.
The two things that make me concerned are the idea of a Cabrera extension and Konerko retiring a White Sox.  Both would be pretty terrible mistakes.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just so I'm not being negative...
I am glad that Josh Fields won't be in the outfield any more.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PK
I know this is likely to incite the wrath of the bottom-liners that frequent this site, but I really don't know what would be so wrong with Konerko finishing his career in Sox stripes.  

Yeah you guys are going to throw numbers on top of numbers at me about his declining this and his inability to that, but I for one, and I don't think I'm alone and this, appreciate a guy like him playing the best years of his big league career in this town and in turn I think the Sox should reward him by giving him the stability of staying in a town he seems to love.

I know I'm being sentimental about this, but after the way Big Frank was unceremoniously kicked to the curb, I'd like to see this organization at least take care of one of my favorite players.

Okay you may fire when ready...

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Jan 21, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...
I'm sentimental about Frank Thomas too (I'm still pissed about the way Ken Williams handled that), but Thomas is a future Hall-of-Famer.  Not only that, unlike Konerko, Thomas was drafted and developed by the White Sox, and had never been in another organization.  He was part of the White Sox through-and-through.

Konerko's not in the same category at all.  Even over the past two seasons, Thomas has been as or more valuable at 38-39 than Konerko has been at 30-31.

Looking at the "best 1B in the league" diary below, I realised that Konerko is, at best, an average first baseman.  There are easily a dozen first basemen in the league that I'd rather have, and really, Konerko's not much better than most of the rest of those guys.  He'd be pretty damn easy to replace.

The time to deal him is now, before the 5-and-10 clause kicks in and before the rest of the league realises that he's really not that good.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sentimentality
Hey JRE you can throw the "White Sox through-and-through" out there all you want, but looking back at Konerko's career at bats, better than 95% of them come in a White Sox uniform.  Yeah he was raised on someone else's farm, but he's put the time in.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Jan 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
i'm fairly certain most sox fans couldn't tell you who PK was drafted by, how the sox acquired him, or if he's ever played for another team. it's all about perception. he's viewed by them as a sox player.

by larry on Jan 21, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PK
drafted by Dodgers as a catcher
traded from the Reds

do i win a cookie or perhaps a gumball?

by Gus on Feb 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would probably agree with you...
The average (stupid) Sox fan probably thinks that "Paulie" was always a White Sox.  I remember how we got Konerko because I was a big Cameron fan way back in the day -- we had traded a really good defensive CF'er with some pop for a player that I had never heard of.  I remember knowing that Cameron would be a good player but since I had never heard of Konerko, I thought it was a bad trade.

by SSH2005 on Feb 10, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think "stupid" is a bit harsh
Describing a fan who didn't know PK came out of NL obscurity as stupid seems a bit much, but that's neither here nor there.

Looking back at PK's baseball-reference page, his 1998 fielding stats show he played 18 games that season in left field.  

Can't you just see him out there now?

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 11, 2008 1:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking about the average White Sox fan...
who also thought that Scottie Pods was a great player.  I would call that "stupid".

by SSH2005 on Feb 11, 2008 8:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's just me...
but I always distinguish between "home-grown" players and players developed by another organization.  Konerko will never be a White Sox to me in the same way that someone like Thomas or Buehrle are.

But I'm weird that way.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes
that's pretty much just you.

by larry on Jan 21, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably.
But that's one of the reasons why I'm sentimental about Thomas and not Konerko.

A bigger reason, of course, is that Thomas is/was way, way better than Konerko.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't care if he finishes his career with sox
once again, i'll fall back on the "if used properly..." caveat. i just don't want to see him trotted out there as a full-time player if he can't handle it. i think he's the sort of player whose power will decline significantly as he ages; however, if it does not, he could be a useful batter off the bench. however, sticking a player who likely will be OPSing major league average at DH is folly if the team plans on contending. of course, if the team is in a rebuilding stage, feel free to keep old players around to "mentor" and "keep the fans happy."

and, as far as i'm concerned, they took care of paulie with the contract he's presently on. PK ain't going to be living on the streets or something. and i'm sure he will always have a job with the sox if he ever wants one.

by larry on Jan 21, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty much the assumption
re: a lifetime, Baines-like relationship, if he wants it (and I think he might).

By the by, Baines is my favorite. His kids are 23, 21, 19, 17.  Precision even in births.  And a great guy.  He kept getting crap for being quiet but he chatted me up at 1B when I slid over to play there when we played his team.  Though Kittle is like Paul Bunyan with AHDH and a sense of humor - fascinating to listen to.

The guys, to a person, were generous with time, stories/information, opinions, and trash talk.  Thiggy was probably the quietest (he got the bobble-head doll award - we all got Thome, Ozzie, and Thiggy bobble-head dolls - and was more than happy to sign it).  Fregosi introduced him at the banquet (since he managed Thiggy at Chicago and Philly) and he seemed genuinely touched.  (He then picked up dinner for his whole team Friday night.)

With Kittle, Baines, Dotson (just promoted to Charlotte), Thiggy, Melton, Carlos May, James Baldwin (I tapped back to him when it he was giving it his all, and struck out on a 2-strike curve against Dotson), et. al., their stable families, and their involvement with the camp (it's the only non-profit of all the fantasy camps), it looks like Sox players are kept around if they work hard, keep their mouths shut, and stay out of trouble.  (As opposed to O. Dotel, who was described as "crazy" by a couple of ex-Sox, Paulie and Thomer seem to fit the mold of lifers.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell...
dealing Konerko doesn't preclude a post-playing-career relationship with the White Sox - Baines got dealt away, too.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was agreeing with larry's
last point - he'll always have a job with the Sox.

That's the other cool thing - Rollie Hemond was addressing us Monday night (Hickey does a great Rollie imitation). He talked about cutting/trading half of the guys in the room who played for him.  Razor was just fired.  Yet all said they'd be back as long as the Sox asked.  JR seems to engender much loyalty to the club (or maybe Chicago is such an effin' great place to live).

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm impressed that Razor Shines was there.
Just fired, and has a job with another organization?    It's a shame he's gone -- didn't he have a reputation as a good minor league manager before he got promoted to Chicago?  He's a legend in Indianapolis.

by asinwreck on Jan 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

AAA manager of the year
He has a fantastic presence, and is generous in his praise.  Speculation (no one confirmed it for sure) was that he tried to help Ozzie with managing the players he'd coached in the minors by giving feedback when it wasn't wanted.

Exit Razor, enter Coxxie, Ozzie's guy.  Pure speculation.

No matter what, Razor's a class act.  If anyone deserved to have a bot of the RA, it'd have been Razor, and he exhibited absolutely none of that. The Phillies are lucky to have him.  I plan to drive to Clearwater to see a game and say hello.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he might be classy
but his 3rd base skills were Cora-esque.
good riddance.

by Gus on Feb 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about the Cora-esque compare
I don't think he ever had the opportunity to wave guys home like that last year. I found him more then adequate last year - in fact he may have been on the conservative side, which surprised me having what I heard about his past.
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 11, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so, did you get a hit?
glad to see you survived!

by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No dingers, but
legit triple, double, and singles.  Did well at 3rd, scored a lot of runs (nice couple of slides, opne where Fregosi dusted me off after my 3-bagger).  We took 2nd place (lost the championship game to Kittle!).  Grebeck pitched for us.

Great time.  It was like I was 12 years old, except I could swear and drink.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

any profundo! stories coming?
is a repeat trip next year in the cards?

by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Profundo was alluded to only once
as a backup at 3 IF positions - that was it.

Yep, I'm going back, possibly every year.  Some guys have been going most of the 21 years it's been open.  The wife's already down with it.

The coolest thing?  (Well, one of the coolest things.)  When I took the field on the actual Tucson Electric Park to play the players Saturday (campers vs. players) I took a slow trot around the whole outfield/infield by myself.  It had always been a dream of mine to run across the outfieled grass of old Comiskey, and I never did.  My face must've been lit up like Christmas, since one of my (older) teammates said, "Don't shit yourself."  What a blast.

Another story, re: Don Pall - we were both at Disco Demolition night as spectators - he was 18, I was 22. He said he's probably the only person to have watched that game in person and later played for the Sox.  (Pall can still pitch - nasty stuff for a couple of innings.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if the wife is down for it
then there's nothing to stop you!

and keep the stories coming!

by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Donn Pall was there?
Very neat -- I think he and my mother are distant cousins (third, IIRC), so doesn't that mean we technically share some blood (somewhere down the line?).

by CWSKeith on Jan 21, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, great guy
He's an investment advisor at Smith Barney, doing well.  His Dad, Gene, was lockering next to me but injured himself the first day and only was able to coach (the players call Gene "Bobby Rydell" because of his hair - Don, of course, is "The Pope").

Here's what a nice guy he is - a camper was bitching that Donny threw too hard during a game that ended the 1st-place hopes of the opposing team (on which the bitcher played).  The bitcher's teammate had taken Pall deep his first at-bat - Pall struck him out on 3 pitches the next time (hey, athletes are competitive).  Donny actually finally apologized to the guy, which I thought was above and beyond the call of duty.  I gave him every opportunity to slam the guy in private, and he did not.

So your distant cousin (though he works for the wrong firm!) is a great guy.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hah
I ate dinner a few years ago with his (Donn's) parents.  My grandparents are great friends with them.  

by CWSKeith on Jan 21, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to say thanks.
This is a great diary. I'd love to hear whatever other information/stories you have.

by Grig on Jan 21, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Today's short one (sorry, market has been
nuts) is about Jeff Cox.  Salt of the earth, great guy to have a beer with, talks a mile a minute (Carlos May was translating just like the Geico commercial - one of the funniest moments of the camp), carries affirmations in his back pocket.  Interesting looking guy - Wimpy called him Uncle Festus (there was a resemblance, though I thought becuase of his coloring he looked like the kid form the Powder movie), suggesting he "return to the crypt before the sun comes up".  Hickey then tried to ram a wooden plank through his chest (to stop the vampire, or course).  Great gags.

Interesting tidbit, hopefully not a portent of things to come:  He had 2 runners thrown out at home the first game of the week (we played his team, and I was the 3B, so I had a close look and actually threw one of the runners out) when he was coaching third.  He got all kinds of crap for it - "Bring back Joey Cora!".

Uh oh.....

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 22, 2008 6:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It was a crazy day in the market.
WU, out of curiosity, was your focus on the market just purely due to personal investments or do you work in the industry?  I couldn't believe the volatility pre-market today.  It was some of the craziest movement I have ever seen.
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 22, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

WU has an investment club at
AARP.  They buy and sell odd lots based on reading the tea leaves at his retirement home.

Snick.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 7:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

CFP, bro. Coming up on
19 years in the biz.  Other than the Sox and my daughter, it's my life.  I wasn't around in '87 but the recession in '90-91 was nothing like the emotion we're seeing today.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...
Equity trader myself.  I always love earnings season, but it's really interesting given the market movements of late.  Tuesday was another crazy one, too, and I sure hope this stuff continues for a while. I gotta think the MSFT earnings are gonna propel us toward a gapped up open, but where we'll go from there is anybody's guess.
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 24, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Meant Wednesday, Said Tuesday.
Sorry.
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 24, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What emotion is that,
soiling yourself?

The S&P basically doubled from its lows around 800 in 2003, that's a pretty nice run but nothing ridiculous like the NASDAQ did in the late 90's.  The intraday stuff might look crazy, but on an absolute % basis this is a fairly orderly retreat.  1987 was falling off a cliff compared to this.

Look at a long term chart of the S&P going back to 1980 to get a bigger perspective on this.  IMO we're still in a historic big ass bull market and I've got a lot of faith in the US economy, and that doesn't change unless the S&P comes puking under 800 again.  If Bush had a chance to get re-elected, then I'd be worried.  What that asshole has done to federal finances since he came into office is criminal.

If you want to look at something overheated keep on eye on gold.  This is a textbook run-up that's gonna collapse in a massive heap.  Wait till they start screaming about it in headlines in the Tribune business section and posting charts pointing out to the world that it's going straight north, that'll be the time to short this puppy (rubs hands gleefully like Shylock).  

"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 6:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not share your optimism, St. P.
And am buying gold as long as the $ keeps devaluing - which is for the foreseeable future, IMO.  Look at a Rydex chart - every 18 years or so we have periods of major bull markets followed by 18 years of crap.  We are in the current 18 years of crap since 2000, so only 10 years to go!

Agree w/ Bush disappointment/idiocy.  I'd love to move to Australia.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand...
A wise old NYSE specialist told me in '76 that "every ship at the bottom of the ocean has a chart".

I agree, however, that there is no good news out there.  This "stimulus package" is putting a bandaid on a hemhorrage.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 25, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The stimulus package is politics as usual
You want to stimulate this economy?  Get the hell out of Iraq and stop thowing a trillion a year down a rathole.
"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't tell me you're a gold bug?
I thought it was just the nouveau riche Indians and Chinese buying this stuff.
"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but I've been in it,and had clients in it,
for 3-4 years.  3-5% of most portfolios, tops.  However, I was stunned to find out how much $ is in the GLD ETF - LOTS of hedging/speculating.

But as Chuck Prince, as long as the music keeps playing, we dance until the music stops.

(Uh oh - look what happened to him...)

So (for the 2nd time, dammit), where are you relo'ing?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Indy baby
Indianapolis, aka Indian-noplace, little pink houses and shit.
"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's better now than when I lived
there in 1980 - they had just built Market Square Arena (Bob Seger was there) and had not much else.  Now at least they have a downtown.

But I don't envy you, bro.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hoosier daddy?
Believe it or not, ChicagoPete is psyched to be moving.  I've done a lot of business there, and it's a very underrated city - not nearly the hick town it used to be.  Very young and well educated demographics, lots of white collar business done there.  The city's done a real good job of getting out of the rust belt industries, it's in better shape economically than any place in the midwest other than Chicago.  

And the cost of living is a waaaay less than Chicago.  You can stuff a lot more money into the mattress living down there.  Christ, I just got back from Paris and people cry about the weak dollar but going out to eat in Paris is cheaper than in Chicago.  Our average dinner tab in good bistros for three courses with a bottle of wine was around 80euros total for two people(~$120).  In Chicago the equivalent meal sets you back $150-200.  Like plate, or shrimp, or plate-o'-shrimp.

"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anytime a conversation strikes up
about the market between you guys, I always think how much it's like being at a zoo exhibit labeled "Meet Humanity At Its Worst: Grizzled, Greed-addled Cynics!"  It's so easy to imagine you guys having a scotch on the rocks at a dingy bar spinning yarns composed entirely in jargon.
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 25, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tanqueray on the rocks
Thank you, but your comment is spot-on.  Not speaking for WI of course.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 25, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a little late
but i'm enjoying this thread and am glad you are having a good time at fantasy camp.

by shaftr on Jan 23, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

New story - Bill Melton
Always a fave of mine, even more so after meeting him and shooting the breeze.  I jacked with him about Harry Caray slurring (after a few Falstaffs) during a broadcast one day "Bill Melton is a good-looking man".  This was in the 70's, when men were less secure about complementing other men on their looks (metrosexual was not in the lexicon).  Melton proceeded to tell me what an a-hole Harry was, and gave an example.

The year Terry Forster and Goose Gossage came up they were both 19 years old.  The Sox were "horse%^$!" and Melton admits he, too, was "horse#$%^".  But Harry immediately began ragging on the kids and Melton came to their defense, confronting Caray.  From that point on, Harry ripped Melton in public.  Got so bad, says Bill, he asked to be traded (and was).  Melton obviously loves the Sox (or he sure as hell wouldn't be coming back to fantasy camp all these years) so it must've been tough to leave, but the animosity was strong enough where it didn't matter.

Last Melton story (for the AARP guys on this site):  At least 10 different guys told me, and one announced loudly at the pre-game clubhouse meeting one morning, that Melton nailed Barbara Eden (I Dream of Jeanie) in her prime when he was with the Angels.  He denied it, but everyone I spoke with said it was common knowledge.  (He WAS a good looking man, after all.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Master Melton"!!!
So that's where it came from.  

Melton loves the Sox, especially because he's paid to do the pre and post game show on Comcast (most of the games).  I like him too, always have.  He's not afraid to give an opinion that doesn't parrot the company line.

Don't know if this link will work, but his rookie card doesn't exactly show a pretty Eden-magnet type of guy.  But I'll take your word for it, WU.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-SOX-BILL-MELTON-1973-TOPPS-CARD-455_W0QQitemZ8749835058QQcmdZViewItem#ebay photohosting

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, Barbara Eden?
One of the bad things about being young is missing out on all the hot chicks of years gone by.  When I watched Manhattan for the first time, I was totally flabbergasted by Meryl Streep, who was apparently drop fuckin' dead back in the day.
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 23, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Babs Eden never did much for me....
at least not as much as the lead of "Bewitched", Elizabeth Montgomery.

As for being young, don't you get to have fantasies about all the Britneys and Courtneys and Heathers and such?  You know, the ones that all look alike to me?

Elizabeth Montgomery here:
http://tvnewsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/samantha.jpg

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, more on today's players
Rich Dotson, new AAA pitching coach for our Charlotte affiliate (and previous AA B'ham PC) had this to say when asked about DLS, Gio, Egbert, Broadway, and Russell, when questioned about our minor league pitching depth, or lack thereof, and the wisdom of trading our 2 top pitching prosepcts):
  1.  DLS: Quoted statistics and made sure to mention he pitched predominantly in "A" ball.
  2.  Gio:  Quoted stats and then mentioned "he's what, 5'7"-5'8"?"
  3.  Broadway/Egbert:  I was talking to Fregosi, so I missed it, but nothing of substance.
  4.  Russell:  No stats, just the "probably the most disappointing pitcher for us was Russell".
So, from the pitching coach, no gnashing of teeth over our delpetion of the top 2 prospects.

(OK, my stories of relevance are running out of steam.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

but you tell them so well
for a man of your years!

:P

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Jan 23, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's ok WU, better your stories
than more Heathrow Ledger (if you know what I mean).

Besides, when you run out of them we expect you to start repeating yourself!

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!
That's a piece of crap. We stopped selling that six months ago. Nice gesture, though. - Beanie

by rhythm on Jan 23, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta give you your due
Your fantasy camp stories are awesome!

Glad to hear that the guys have a sense of humor and enjoyed their time with the Sox enough to participate. Makes me feel like less of a hoser for being such an dedicated / interested fan.

That's a piece of crap. We stopped selling that six months ago. Nice gesture, though. - Beanie

by rhythm on Jan 23, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fregosi:
My favorite guy the whole week.  Obviously knows baseball up and down.  Looks gruff but is a real teddy bear.  LOVES talking about his pensions, family, and job (Atlanta Braves Special Assistant of Player Personnel - SAPP).  3 vignettes:
  1.  Someone brought up Selig's new contract.  Jimmy said that Selig and Reinsdorf are the 2 most powerful men in baseball.
  2.  We were talking about the Braves.  JF said Schuerholz is the nicest, most professional person he's ever met.
  3.  Proving he is self-deprecating, he told us he had the opportunity to buy real estate in FL in the late '60's before a mouse named Mickey darkened Cen't. FL's doorestep.  "Nah, didn't think anything of it."  Smiles.  Continues:  He was offered to be the owner of all car dealers in FL who sold cars made by....Toyota.  "Nope, didn't so it."  (He looks to be wealthier than most living humans, so it was more humorous than anything.)
Lives in Tarpon Springs, has a commerical fishing business and more irons in more fires, it sounds.  If you see him at Sox Fest, have a drink with him (even just a cup o' joe - he's the real deal).
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 24, 2008 9:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

good stuff Ugly
do any of these guys fess up to reading blogs?
"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Jan 24, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't ask - too busy playing ball,
eating, and drinking.  
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 24, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sox auction items at the closing
banquet:
  1.  Mark Buehrle signed baseball - $500 or so.
  2.  Jim Thome signed baseball - $375.
  3.  Iguchi signed jersey (?!) - $200 or so.
  4.  AJ signed bat - $200 or so.
(Best for last)
5.  Scott Podsednik signed bat (I shouted out "not a mark on it!") - $125.

2005 be damned.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 8:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This diary is the sh*t
This right here is why I come to this fine site.  Brilliant work, winningugly.  Almost make me wish I was old enough to attend.  ;-)

by Winning is Fung on Jan 25, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK, the best, and possibly most
interesting story of camp, was on regarding our new 3rd base coach, Jeff Cox (he of the 169 major league at bats).  Seems Coxxie was at the bar with a couple of teammates of mine one night last week.  After a few drinks the guys were engaged in baseball talk, talking about our game that day (Cox/Dotson beat us the first day), and it appears Cox warmed up to our guys:

Cox:  Yeah, we should keep in touch.  Here, what's your name, and I'll put it in my cell phone.  You'll have to help me, 'cause I don't really know how to do it.

Teammate 1: My name's John D.

Cox:  OK, I'll call you Big John. Here, put "Big John" in my phone.  (John does so.)

Cox (To Teammate 2):  OK, what's your name?

Teammate 2:  Tom D.

Cox:  Tom D.?  Nah, I won't remember that.  I'll call you "FN".

Teammate 2:  What's "FN"?

Cox:  "Fuck nut".  That's how I'll remember you.  "FN" is for "Fuck nut".  (Types "FN"'s number into the cell phone.)

Reminded me of Bluto Blutarsky - "Your Delta Tau Chi name is 'flounder'".

When John told me this the next morning I could not stop laughing for 15 minutes.  Best goddamn story of the week.

So Cox will be waving runners around third yelling "Come on, 'FN', score, goddamit!"  

Listen for it this spring.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bizzump
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by The Cheat on Feb 8, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK, one more
Ken Kravec was our "quiet" coach, though he got lots of shit for working for Hendry/Cubs and having "cubs" in his personal AOL e-mail adderess.  Tried pitching for a game and got a tired arm, though we needed him once more time (Grebeck was the alternative, and at the time was sitting 0-4 for the teams he'd pitched for).

Kravec gives it the old college try and gets through the first inning of his 2nd game of the camp.  He goes to coach first base at the bottom of the inning and is standing there flapping his gums with the opposing team's first baseman.  Our leadoff guy, a lefty, is up to hit.  (I had just been thinking that neither Fregosi, coaching 3rd, nor Kravec were wearing batting helmets, and I thought that was the new "law" after Coolbaugh's death).  Our guy hits a heat-seeking missile headed straight for Kravec.  This thing was a "leenya", as Hawk would say.  He tries to get out of the way, but the sunofabitch ball was arcing right into him (like backing into a ball thrown behind your head when you're batting) and it nails him right abouve the left elbow.  POW.  He goes to one knee as we all cry out "Medic!".

Next day he shows me his arm - BIG effin' bruise, and his left hand is about 1.5x the size of his right.  Needless to say, he didn't pitch for us after that.  (But baseball players are stubborn - no one donned a helmet while coaching the bases, either, the rest of the camp.)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 9, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

*address* (if I could effin' type)
Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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