Notes from Fantasy Camp
I'll have time to add to this later, but thought I'd leave a teaser or two. Since I posed these questions directly to the guys in question, it's straight from the horse's mouth(s):
- Who does JR say is our starting CF?
- What is Joe Crede's future with the organization? (JR answers, again.)
- Where is Fields playing on opening day? (JR again.)
- What are the plans for Uribe? (JR.)
- Will Cabrera be signed to a long-term deal? (JR.)
- What does the AA pitching coach of Egbert/Broadway/Gio/Russell think of each of their prospects? And how about DLS", too? (Rich Dotson.)
- Chiburb, what does Fregosi think of KW's abilities at 3B? (Hysterical.)
- Do Sox players think Mariotti's gay?
- What % of players, according to Eddie Einhorn, are on performance-enhancing drugs?
- Who are the two most powerful men in baseball? (Fregosi.)
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looking forward to it
by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Back from the best week of my life,
1. JR and Eddie Einhorn took questions from the crowd (102 campers, average age around 55, all lifelong Sox fans)at a banquet Thursday night.
JR:
-"The Josh Fields LF experiment is OVER. Joe Crede will be traded or Josh will go back to AAA."
-"Nick Swisher will be our starting CF if Jerry Owens doesn't do the job."
-"Juan Uribe will be playing 3 IF postions this year - we're comfortable with him in any of those positions."
-"Our goal is to sign Cabrera to a long-term deal."
-"Spring training will be different this year - we plan to simulate real game conditions."
Eddie:
-"We don't feel the actions of the 5% of the players who use steriods should overshadow the 95% of the players who don't."
A couple guys in the crowd were very impressed with JR, who sounded to them "like a GM, very in touch with his players' strengths and weaknesses".
More tomorrow. Chiburb, the KW 1988 3B "experiment" story is one of the best.
by winningugly on Jan 20, 2008 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, one other fairly important object of
by winningugly on Jan 20, 2008 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, WU...
Glad you had a great time and didn't hurt yourself.
by Chiburb on Jan 21, 2008 6:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you seem to be the only one who
First, when I asked him if it cost him his managerial job in '88, he got a bemused look on his face and went ahead. (He ended up being my team's coach, along with Kravec, for the week, so we shared many drinks and stories. Great guy.) Seems Larry Himes, the former GM, decided that decent CF Kenny (who hit over .300) would make a GREAT 3B Kenny. Everyone in the organization knew Kenny was NOT a 3B, but Himes was the boss, so KW played 3B in ST. Coaches worked daily with him, lots of time and effort. ST ends - no improvement. Fregosi says (as he bangs a metal water pitcher at the breakfast table) "Everybody KNEW Williams had hands like THIS (bang, bang against the steel) but we went North with him at third. Larry Himes was the biggest a-hole in the majors - nobody could get along wth him." JR suggested he try and get along with Himes. Fregosi says "Nobody can get along with that a-hole."
As you pointed out, Chi, 32 games into the Himes experiment it is an unmitigated disaster. After the season ended Jimmy was fired. Fast forward to the following year - the manager who succeeded Fregosi leaves and JR calls Fregosi. Says to Jimmy "You were right - nobody can get along with him."
I thought Fregosi was going to knock over the pitcher of water as hard as he was banging it. Wonder why "Clank" wasn't Kenny's nickname?
Great story.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!!!
I always credited Fregosi with Kenny's successful rookie year, always getting on him to "stay small", not try to hit homers, etc. That's why I just didn't get the 3B experiment. "Himes" explains it all.
Thanks again, WU!
by Chiburb on Jan 21, 2008 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll share how our new 3rd base coach
And what TV startlet Bill Melton nailed in his prime. And Marriotti's (alleged) sexual preference. And such.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
by The Deacon on Jan 21, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just so I'm not being negative...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PK
Yeah you guys are going to throw numbers on top of numbers at me about his declining this and his inability to that, but I for one, and I don't think I'm alone and this, appreciate a guy like him playing the best years of his big league career in this town and in turn I think the Sox should reward him by giving him the stability of staying in a town he seems to love.
I know I'm being sentimental about this, but after the way Big Frank was unceremoniously kicked to the curb, I'd like to see this organization at least take care of one of my favorite players.
Okay you may fire when ready...
by Hazymania on Jan 21, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
Konerko's not in the same category at all. Even over the past two seasons, Thomas has been as or more valuable at 38-39 than Konerko has been at 30-31.
Looking at the "best 1B in the league" diary below, I realised that Konerko is, at best, an average first baseman. There are easily a dozen first basemen in the league that I'd rather have, and really, Konerko's not much better than most of the rest of those guys. He'd be pretty damn easy to replace.
The time to deal him is now, before the 5-and-10 clause kicks in and before the rest of the league realises that he's really not that good.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sentimentality
by Hazymania on Jan 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by larry on Jan 21, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PK
traded from the Reds
do i win a cookie or perhaps a gumball?
by Gus on Feb 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably agree with you...
by SSH2005 on Feb 10, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think "stupid" is a bit harsh
Looking back at PK's baseball-reference page, his 1998 fielding stats show he played 18 games that season in left field.
Can't you just see him out there now?
by Hazymania on Feb 11, 2008 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about the average White Sox fan...
by SSH2005 on Feb 11, 2008 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me...
But I'm weird that way.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
A bigger reason, of course, is that Thomas is/was way, way better than Konerko.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care if he finishes his career with sox
and, as far as i'm concerned, they took care of paulie with the contract he's presently on. PK ain't going to be living on the streets or something. and i'm sure he will always have a job with the sox if he ever wants one.
by larry on Jan 21, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty much the assumption
By the by, Baines is my favorite. His kids are 23, 21, 19, 17. Precision even in births. And a great guy. He kept getting crap for being quiet but he chatted me up at 1B when I slid over to play there when we played his team. Though Kittle is like Paul Bunyan with AHDH and a sense of humor - fascinating to listen to.
The guys, to a person, were generous with time, stories/information, opinions, and trash talk. Thiggy was probably the quietest (he got the bobble-head doll award - we all got Thome, Ozzie, and Thiggy bobble-head dolls - and was more than happy to sign it). Fregosi introduced him at the banquet (since he managed Thiggy at Chicago and Philly) and he seemed genuinely touched. (He then picked up dinner for his whole team Friday night.)
With Kittle, Baines, Dotson (just promoted to Charlotte), Thiggy, Melton, Carlos May, James Baldwin (I tapped back to him when it he was giving it his all, and struck out on a 2-strike curve against Dotson), et. al., their stable families, and their involvement with the camp (it's the only non-profit of all the fantasy camps), it looks like Sox players are kept around if they work hard, keep their mouths shut, and stay out of trouble. (As opposed to O. Dotel, who was described as "crazy" by a couple of ex-Sox, Paulie and Thomer seem to fit the mold of lifers.)
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with larry's
That's the other cool thing - Rollie Hemond was addressing us Monday night (Hickey does a great Rollie imitation). He talked about cutting/trading half of the guys in the room who played for him. Razor was just fired. Yet all said they'd be back as long as the Sox asked. JR seems to engender much loyalty to the club (or maybe Chicago is such an effin' great place to live).
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm impressed that Razor Shines was there.
by asinwreck on Jan 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AAA manager of the year
Exit Razor, enter Coxxie, Ozzie's guy. Pure speculation.
No matter what, Razor's a class act. If anyone deserved to have a bot of the RA, it'd have been Razor, and he exhibited absolutely none of that. The Phillies are lucky to have him. I plan to drive to Clearwater to see a game and say hello.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he might be classy
good riddance.
by Gus on Feb 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about the Cora-esque compare
by Brush Back on Feb 11, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so, did you get a hit?
by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No dingers, but
Great time. It was like I was 12 years old, except I could swear and drink.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
any profundo! stories coming?
by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Profundo was alluded to only once
Yep, I'm going back, possibly every year. Some guys have been going most of the 21 years it's been open. The wife's already down with it.
The coolest thing? (Well, one of the coolest things.) When I took the field on the actual Tucson Electric Park to play the players Saturday (campers vs. players) I took a slow trot around the whole outfield/infield by myself. It had always been a dream of mine to run across the outfieled grass of old Comiskey, and I never did. My face must've been lit up like Christmas, since one of my (older) teammates said, "Don't shit yourself." What a blast.
Another story, re: Don Pall - we were both at Disco Demolition night as spectators - he was 18, I was 22. He said he's probably the only person to have watched that game in person and later played for the Sox. (Pall can still pitch - nasty stuff for a couple of innings.)
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if the wife is down for it
and keep the stories coming!
by The Wizard on Jan 21, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donn Pall was there?
by CWSKeith on Jan 21, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, great guy
Here's what a nice guy he is - a camper was bitching that Donny threw too hard during a game that ended the 1st-place hopes of the opposing team (on which the bitcher played). The bitcher's teammate had taken Pall deep his first at-bat - Pall struck him out on 3 pitches the next time (hey, athletes are competitive). Donny actually finally apologized to the guy, which I thought was above and beyond the call of duty. I gave him every opportunity to slam the guy in private, and he did not.
So your distant cousin (though he works for the wrong firm!) is a great guy.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to say thanks.
by Grig on Jan 21, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Today's short one (sorry, market has been
Interesting tidbit, hopefully not a portent of things to come: He had 2 runners thrown out at home the first game of the week (we played his team, and I was the 3B, so I had a close look and actually threw one of the runners out) when he was coaching third. He got all kinds of crap for it - "Bring back Joey Cora!".
Uh oh.....
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2008 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was a crazy day in the market.
by MarketMaker on Jan 22, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WU has an investment club at
Snick.
by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CFP, bro. Coming up on
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
by MarketMaker on Jan 24, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meant Wednesday, Said Tuesday.
by MarketMaker on Jan 24, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What emotion is that,
The S&P basically doubled from its lows around 800 in 2003, that's a pretty nice run but nothing ridiculous like the NASDAQ did in the late 90's. The intraday stuff might look crazy, but on an absolute % basis this is a fairly orderly retreat. 1987 was falling off a cliff compared to this.
Look at a long term chart of the S&P going back to 1980 to get a bigger perspective on this. IMO we're still in a historic big ass bull market and I've got a lot of faith in the US economy, and that doesn't change unless the S&P comes puking under 800 again. If Bush had a chance to get re-elected, then I'd be worried. What that asshole has done to federal finances since he came into office is criminal.
If you want to look at something overheated keep on eye on gold. This is a textbook run-up that's gonna collapse in a massive heap. Wait till they start screaming about it in headlines in the Tribune business section and posting charts pointing out to the world that it's going straight north, that'll be the time to short this puppy (rubs hands gleefully like Shylock).
by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 6:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not share your optimism, St. P.
Agree w/ Bush disappointment/idiocy. I'd love to move to Australia.
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
I agree, however, that there is no good news out there. This "stimulus package" is putting a bandaid on a hemhorrage.
by Chiburb on Jan 25, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The stimulus package is politics as usual
by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't tell me you're a gold bug?
by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I've been in it,and had clients in it,
But as Chuck Prince, as long as the music keeps playing, we dance until the music stops.
(Uh oh - look what happened to him...)
So (for the 2nd time, dammit), where are you relo'ing?
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indy baby
by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's better now than when I lived
But I don't envy you, bro.
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hoosier daddy?
And the cost of living is a waaaay less than Chicago. You can stuff a lot more money into the mattress living down there. Christ, I just got back from Paris and people cry about the weak dollar but going out to eat in Paris is cheaper than in Chicago. Our average dinner tab in good bistros for three courses with a bottle of wine was around 80euros total for two people(~$120). In Chicago the equivalent meal sets you back $150-200. Like plate, or shrimp, or plate-o'-shrimp.
by ChicagoPete on Jan 25, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime a conversation strikes up
by colintj on Jan 25, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tanqueray on the rocks
by Chiburb on Jan 25, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a little late
by shaftr on Jan 23, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
New story - Bill Melton
The year Terry Forster and Goose Gossage came up they were both 19 years old. The Sox were "horse%^$!" and Melton admits he, too, was "horse#$%^". But Harry immediately began ragging on the kids and Melton came to their defense, confronting Caray. From that point on, Harry ripped Melton in public. Got so bad, says Bill, he asked to be traded (and was). Melton obviously loves the Sox (or he sure as hell wouldn't be coming back to fantasy camp all these years) so it must've been tough to leave, but the animosity was strong enough where it didn't matter.
Last Melton story (for the AARP guys on this site): At least 10 different guys told me, and one announced loudly at the pre-game clubhouse meeting one morning, that Melton nailed Barbara Eden (I Dream of Jeanie) in her prime when he was with the Angels. He denied it, but everyone I spoke with said it was common knowledge. (He WAS a good looking man, after all.)
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Master Melton"!!!
Melton loves the Sox, especially because he's paid to do the pre and post game show on Comcast (most of the games). I like him too, always have. He's not afraid to give an opinion that doesn't parrot the company line.
Don't know if this link will work, but his rookie card doesn't exactly show a pretty Eden-magnet type of guy. But I'll take your word for it, WU.
by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Barbara Eden?
by colintj on Jan 23, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Babs Eden never did much for me....
As for being young, don't you get to have fantasies about all the Britneys and Courtneys and Heathers and such? You know, the ones that all look alike to me?
Elizabeth Montgomery here:
http://tvnewsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/samantha.jpg
by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, more on today's players
- DLS: Quoted statistics and made sure to mention he pitched predominantly in "A" ball.
- Gio: Quoted stats and then mentioned "he's what, 5'7"-5'8"?"
- Broadway/Egbert: I was talking to Fregosi, so I missed it, but nothing of substance.
- Russell: No stats, just the "probably the most disappointing pitcher for us was Russell".
(OK, my stories of relevance are running out of steam.)
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but you tell them so well
:P
by Hazymania on Jan 23, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's ok WU, better your stories
Besides, when you run out of them we expect you to start repeating yourself!
by Chiburb on Jan 23, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give you your due
Glad to hear that the guys have a sense of humor and enjoyed their time with the Sox enough to participate. Makes me feel like less of a hoser for being such an dedicated / interested fan.
by rhythm on Jan 23, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fregosi:
- Someone brought up Selig's new contract. Jimmy said that Selig and Reinsdorf are the 2 most powerful men in baseball.
- We were talking about the Braves. JF said Schuerholz is the nicest, most professional person he's ever met.
- Proving he is self-deprecating, he told us he had the opportunity to buy real estate in FL in the late '60's before a mouse named Mickey darkened Cen't. FL's doorestep. "Nah, didn't think anything of it." Smiles. Continues: He was offered to be the owner of all car dealers in FL who sold cars made by....Toyota. "Nope, didn't so it." (He looks to be wealthier than most living humans, so it was more humorous than anything.)
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2008 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good stuff Ugly
by ChicagoPete on Jan 24, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't ask - too busy playing ball,
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sox auction items at the closing
- Mark Buehrle signed baseball - $500 or so.
- Jim Thome signed baseball - $375.
- Iguchi signed jersey (?!) - $200 or so.
- AJ signed bat - $200 or so.
5. Scott Podsednik signed bat (I shouted out "not a mark on it!") - $125.
2005 be damned.
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This diary is the sh*t
by Winning is Fung on Jan 25, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OK, the best, and possibly most
Cox: Yeah, we should keep in touch. Here, what's your name, and I'll put it in my cell phone. You'll have to help me, 'cause I don't really know how to do it.
Teammate 1: My name's John D.
Cox: OK, I'll call you Big John. Here, put "Big John" in my phone. (John does so.)
Cox (To Teammate 2): OK, what's your name?
Teammate 2: Tom D.
Cox: Tom D.? Nah, I won't remember that. I'll call you "FN".
Teammate 2: What's "FN"?
Cox: "Fuck nut". That's how I'll remember you. "FN" is for "Fuck nut". (Types "FN"'s number into the cell phone.)
Reminded me of Bluto Blutarsky - "Your Delta Tau Chi name is 'flounder'".
When John told me this the next morning I could not stop laughing for 15 minutes. Best goddamn story of the week.
So Cox will be waving runners around third yelling "Come on, 'FN', score, goddamit!"
Listen for it this spring.
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OK, one more
Kravec gives it the old college try and gets through the first inning of his 2nd game of the camp. He goes to coach first base at the bottom of the inning and is standing there flapping his gums with the opposing team's first baseman. Our leadoff guy, a lefty, is up to hit. (I had just been thinking that neither Fregosi, coaching 3rd, nor Kravec were wearing batting helmets, and I thought that was the new "law" after Coolbaugh's death). Our guy hits a heat-seeking missile headed straight for Kravec. This thing was a "leenya", as Hawk would say. He tries to get out of the way, but the sunofabitch ball was arcing right into him (like backing into a ball thrown behind your head when you're batting) and it nails him right abouve the left elbow. POW. He goes to one knee as we all cry out "Medic!".
Next day he shows me his arm - BIG effin' bruise, and his left hand is about 1.5x the size of his right. Needless to say, he didn't pitch for us after that. (But baseball players are stubborn - no one donned a helmet while coaching the bases, either, the rest of the camp.)
by winningugly on Feb 9, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
*address* (if I could effin' type)
by winningugly on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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