Mark Davis 1:2

by The Cheat on Jan 28, 2008 7:08 PM CST in News Comment 60 comments

Roberto Hernandez (along with Danny Darwin and Wilson Alvarez) begat Keith Foulke, Bobby Howry, Lorenzo Barcelo, Mike Caruso, Ken Vining, and Brian Manning.

Bobby Howry begat Frank Francisco and Byeong Hak An.

Frank Francisco (along with Josh Rupe and Anthony Webster) begat Carl Everett.

Keith Foulke (along with Mark Johnson and Joe Valentine) begat Billy Koch and Neal Cotts.

Billy Koch begat Wilson Valdez.

Neal Cotts begat David Aardsma.

David Aardsma begat Willy Mota and Miguel Socolovich.

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The Bible according to the White Sox

is cool.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 28, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

am i seeing this right

Mota is a converted out fielder??? that bodes well. insert sarcasim here.

by spadog on Jan 28, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The anti-Ankiel

meaning (as well) instead of being good like Ankiel he'll suck

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jan 28, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or he'll be rafael soriano

you (and others) may be surprised how many converted outfielders (sometimes SS, too) there are out there.

by larry on Jan 28, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

trevor hoffman being one

by Jbasic89 on Jan 28, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Nathan...

Jason Dellaero...

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 28, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wanted

Warner Madrigal picked up as a 6-year minor league free agent.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 28, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that was dumb by the angels

and clever by the rangers.

by larry on Jan 28, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

impressive numbers

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 28, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa.

Didn't know there were that many successful converted outfielders.

That's just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned. I was ready to get nothing for Aardsma, now we might, might have something.

Also, the Genesis of Mota and Socolovich is quite entertaining.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 28, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Mark Johnson

reminds me of brook fordyce, and then acquiring charles johnson, only to have him go on a home run binge for the 2nd half of the season, and for us to get spanked by the M's.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 7:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Crede still has competition

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7731286/Inge-bitter,-mad-about-losing-3B-job

Inge not so happy. At least Joe doesn't cost $24MM. But Inge is healthy.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Crede still has more trade value...

even with his injury issues due to Inge's awful contract.

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i dont see

anyone taking on that full contract. i'd have to believe that detroit would pick up half of it in order to get inge moved.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Inge really struggled last year...

with the bat, and I don't imagine that the Tigers will dump him for fifty cents on the dollar.

I could see the Tigers at least trying to keep Inge around as a defensive replacement/super sub (Cabrera is not a good defensive player), too.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone know

when inge signed that contract and what his numbers were the year prior to him signing that deal?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

After 2006.

He batted .253/.313/.463, and had his best year in terms of homers.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ugh

not too pretty for those numbers, i guess they may have jumped the gun a little on him.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Inge has never been a great hitter...

I'm honestly not sure what the Tigers were thinking.

He is a fan favorite in Detroit (he's grindy!), so there might be some ancillary benefit to having him around.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love how Inge is mad...

that the Tigers traded for a player that is 100 times better than him. Makes sense.

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think he's more mad

that he isn't going to play regularly. seems sort of reasonable to me. maybe that's just me.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Have to respect a guy who

doesn't want to mail it in for $6MM/year.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Inge isn't dumb. He knows that the Cabrera trade relegates him to the bench. If the Tigers went ahead with this deal and never contacted Inge afterwards to explain where he fits in now, I can understand him being upset about that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like catching

Is what they'd like him to move to. I saw a story on it and it mentioned him possibly taking over the role in '09 - but now I can't find it. (Nor do I know the reason why I was reading it for that matter). Regardless, seems like a role they may have in mind as they are having him report with the catchers. (Plenty of stories on that)

by Brush Back on Jan 29, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's a pretty wise move

take an athlete with a nose for the game (and has experience at catcher, right?) who can't hit and move him to the end of the defense spectrum (DH-1B-LF-RF-3B-2B-CF-SS-C). They screwed up with this contract and know Pudge is done soon enough, so that's the best way to get value from him. And he really just can't hit, so I don't think even the Giants would want him as a starter.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 29, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also

he does have plus defense, but still, a lot of years for some ugly numbers. that contract wouldnt have been so bad, say if it were for 2 years.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think they thought

inge was a biggio clone

by ruffster on Jan 29, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that contract

is linebrink ugly!

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Even if we didn't have Fields...

I think I would still rather have Linebrink and his contract over Inge and his contract.

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dec. 2006

and decidedly average

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So who are we going to get from the Giants...

for Crede? Any ideas?

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

We'll see.

It really depends on how healthy he shows he is during spring training.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i can't say i'm worried about the health in ST

even without the surgery he was fine in ST. i'm more worried about teams thinking the same way as me and saying, yeah, this guy always was healthy in ST. show me more.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose...

that's a possibility, in which case Crede's trade value would be very low.

At some point, the Sox have to ship Crede out for whatever they can get, right? They're not going to send Fields off to Charlotte, are they?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

according to KW

yes. he said joe crede and josh fields will not be on the same team. so if crede isnt shipped off, fields will be in AAA.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 29, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you seem to like holding onto guys

for full value, or as close to it. i would think you'd be all for that idea.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think...

Crede's full value is very high, and it's not really going to go up by holding onto him into the regular season. Heck, I was all for non-tendering Crede.

The time to deal him for value was a year ago. That window is pretty much closed now.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and BA's full value is high?

dump and run, jerry. for them both.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still think...

that Anderson can provide something to the White Sox, if handled correctly.

But clearly Williams and Guillen disagree, so it's a quixotic wish on my part.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 29, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bridges burned long ago

i don't know what the backstory to this is but there certainly is one. i've got quite a few people who had to go from my workplace because it just didn't work out. it's not like they were all "bad" workers who didn't offer anything. it's just that we couldn't all get along. baseball isn't much different.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would think....

...that we aren't going to get a whole lot for Crede. Even if he tears up ST, he is still a huge injury risk, especially with only one-year left on his contract.

He doesn't have many suiters either, Milw. or SF?? Not sure if anyone else?

We might get another expiring contract or a B rated prospect or avg. major leaguer.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 29, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not the Brewers anymore...

They signed Mike Cameron to play CF, Ryan Braun will move to LF, and Bill Hall will move to 3B.

It will pretty much be the Giants.

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Matt Cain, silly

for Ben Wallace and Joe Crede. Done and done.

by CWSKeith on Jan 29, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i heard joe montana

would waive his no trade clause to come to the south side. might be worth exploring.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 29, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you mean Joe Montagna?

He was in Steppenwolf Theater - LOVES Chi-town.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no

he's on the warriors.

by larry on Jan 29, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Warriors!

Come out and plaaayyy...

(Clink, clink, clink.)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great movie!

Watch out for the Orphans though...

by HulkSmash on Jan 29, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice Warriors ref, WU!

That's a piece of crap. We stopped selling that six months ago. Nice gesture, though. - Beanie

by rhythm on Jan 29, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OS

Thank you. (Old School/Old Style)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

KW should ask

for Hanna Montana, who will fill the Cell all summer long. Her face, with make-up, is Chicago Tough.

by CurlyMoe on Jan 29, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL!

As the father of a 5 year old girl, I am well acquainted with HM - and she was here last night and also tonight at the O-rena, selling out within 3 (THREE) minutes. Damn!

And she got a teefus job that now makes her look like John Elway (why the long face?). Poor kid...

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take Hillary Duff over HM any day of the week

by SSH2005 on Jan 29, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No lie - AND she's legal

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We had Montanamania earlier this month

Required me to work OT because we covered the hell out of it.

One of the low points of my career was explaining to an editor what the tour managers meant when they said our photographer could shoot Miley Cyrus but not Hannah Montana. And I don't have kids.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 29, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Chicago Local Bridge and Iron Workers Union 144

Sox Machine, I saw your article in last month's Union Paper and it was tantalizing!

I wish you would have covered more about her Dad, Billy Ray and his boot skoot boogying...but still very good.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 29, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The things we do for love

and money....How does it feel to have a supervisor whose job should be yours?

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't say I know that feeling

If Hannah Montana knowledge were a major factor in pecking order, I'm sure it's a field I would want no business being near.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 29, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Current events, bro

and having a finger on the pulse of popular culture. What do readers want - that sort of thing. Even the WSJ had been screaming all fall re: the business of HM.

Boy, try and compliment a guy...

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Jan 29, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs