Super Duper Tuesday
For those of you in SSS-land that swing a little to the left and are in the 24 states coming up 2/5 (or any remaining thereafter, for that matter), here are your choices:


I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'....
My name is thatshortkid and I approve this message.
Update [2008-1-31 3:41:6 by The Cheat]: About the only rule on SSS -- besides don't be a complete jackass -- is no politics. It's not written down anywhere, and I don't think I've ever had to enforce it, but this thread has the possibility to get there. I'm leaving it open because I trust you guys to keep it civil. We're all Sox fans, remember. We're on the same team. Let's keep it that way.
Carry on.
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Lol
by Tdogg on Jan 30, 2008 5:36 PM CST 0 recs
i vote on hotness of wife
by larry on Jan 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST 0 recs
For that to work out...
by rhythm on
Jan 30, 2008 6:25 PM CST
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Kucinich's wife
by hitlesswonder on
Jan 30, 2008 11:18 PM CST
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that sounds hilarious
by colintj on
Jan 31, 2008 5:59 PM CST
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Didn't realize Uribe had put on THAT much weight!
by rhythm on Jan 30, 2008 6:25 PM CST 0 recs
Yeah.. I'm disappointed
Maybe he can latch onto Barack as the VP if he wins the nomination.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 30, 2008 6:51 PM CST 0 recs
and yes, Larry
by Shoeless In SC on
Jan 30, 2008 6:52 PM CST
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You'd have to write him in.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/OPINION02/801300314
by Hazymania on
Jan 30, 2008 7:07 PM CST
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umm...
by Toonderstrook on
Jan 30, 2008 7:11 PM CST
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to be fair, toonder
by thatshortkid on
Jan 30, 2008 8:35 PM CST
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huh?
by Toonderstrook on
Jan 30, 2008 8:50 PM CST
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bad joke, hastily written
by thatshortkid on
Jan 30, 2008 9:38 PM CST
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What of us who lean the opposite
Post a pic of Kucinich's better half - I am unfamiliar with the gnome's spouse.
SC, your Southern is showing.
by winningugly on Jan 30, 2008 7:12 PM CST 0 recs
i thought adults were independents...
by Toonderstrook on
Jan 30, 2008 7:21 PM CST
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Is"moderate" in your lexicon, T-man?
by winningugly on
Jan 30, 2008 7:26 PM CST
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moderation is my middle name.
by Toonderstrook on
Jan 30, 2008 7:33 PM CST
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'protest' vote?
also in the vastness i call "between here and vegas", but, well, yeah.
by thatshortkid on
Jan 30, 2008 9:49 PM CST
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McCain is a kook
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 30, 2008 10:08 PM CST
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Ah, Pete, getting personal already
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 7:34 AM CST
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His mind is broken
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 8:28 AM CST
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Well, he's good enough to sponsor
(I also love that he used the "F" bomb when pushed by his fellow Senator.)
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST
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mccain's the guy bush purported to be
by colintj on
Jan 31, 2008 5:57 PM CST
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Thanks Toonder!
FWIW, it seems to me that you say a lot more with your vote by voting for an independent, ie someone outside of the two party system. If you are not happy with the state of the political system, you are throwing your vote away by voting for the major parties instead of taking the opportunity to voice your displeasure with them by voting for someone else.
If you're happy with the status quo, then my argument doesn't hold much water.
I realize that's a bit of an idealistic notion, but it's something I think more people should consider since I hear a lot of complaining about the state of American Politics.
I also think that you vote with where you spend your money and that this form of voting has a much more immediate, and possibly larger, effect on what's going on around you.
by rhythm on
Feb 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST
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huh????
Seriously... you worry me old man. I have to doubt your judgements from here on out :)
But how is my Southern showing? The South is almost entirely 'Red'. I go against the beaten path and vote Democratic. Have so since I was able to vote in 2001. (I voted for Edwards in 2004, then again for Kerry/Edwards for the presidential)
Now, if Hillabeast wins the nomination... I'll still vote Democratic... but I will grimace when I hit that button. She's a better vote IMO than any Republican not name Giuliani but she is far from the best Democratic candidate in my book.
I hope Obama wins the nom. And Edwards gets on his ticket.
by Shoeless In SC on
Jan 31, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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Gore? Kerry?
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 11:29 AM CST
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why have him wait till 2012?
by The Wizard on
Jan 31, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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when you were in kindergarten,
by Toonderstrook on
Jan 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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hehe
by Shoeless In SC on
Jan 31, 2008 5:32 PM CST
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To add my two cents
In addition, Kerry's campaign wasn't managed very well and he did nothing to distinguish himself. IMO, if he would have gone after on any number of issues (especially the environment and education) he could have distinguished himself, although I think this is the kind of thing Political Science textbooks are written about - not my area of specialty.
Not that it's important, but I didn't vote for Bush either time.
by rhythm on
Feb 2, 2008 7:44 PM CST
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WU, given your location and conservative stance
I enjoyed what pieces of his environmental rhetoric I have heard. Seems like an interesting fellow, but I thought it may be wise to check with someone who has a front row seat.
by rhythm on
Feb 2, 2008 7:36 PM CST
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Crist is an interesting cat
Bottom line - folks still like him here, but the next hurricane that blows through FL, he's up a creek re: public opinion, and the budget for the state is going to get hammered with the real estate market in the tank, and folks will forget he's not in control of that.
by winningugly on
Feb 2, 2008 9:43 PM CST
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True dat
"That's not an endorsement. He's not my favorite person, but he's a fascinating character."
by ChicagoPete on Jan 30, 2008 9:38 PM CST 0 recs
I don't want our President
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 7:35 AM CST
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On top of that
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 8:25 AM CST
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Bastard, you are, St. Petersburg
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST
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Wire man, Sox fan
Thursday, October 27, 2005
Senate Floor Statement
I rise today as a U.S. Senator, as an Illinoisan, and as a proud resident of the Southside of Chicago, to congratulate the Chicago White Sox for winning the 2005 World Series. As my fellow Southsiders know, it has been a long time coming.
Founded in 1900 as the Chicago White Stockings, this year's team reached the World Series for the first time since 1959. Over a century of White Sox fans have cheered for superstars such as Luke Appling, Nellie Fox, Carlton Fisk, Luis Aparicio, Harold Baines, and of course Big Frank Thomas. But we haven't savored the sweet taste of a World Series championship since 1917 - until now.
Back then, Woodrow Wilson was President, and the Great War was raging in Europe. The White Sox were a bright spot in tough times.
The Sox won last night the way they have won all season--by playing aggressively, scrapping for every base and every run. When Juan Uribe threw to Paul Konerko for the final out, it was fitting that the ball beat the runner by only half a step. The four games against the Astros were decided by a total of six runs. Win by the skin of your teeth. Win or die trying, that's our motto this year.
Jermaine Dye is the World Series MVP, and I congratulate him for that, but I'm sure he'll be the first to say that everyone on this year's team deserves a part of that award. This is a team with so many great players, but no undisputed leader on the field. I don't claim to be a baseball expert - or particularly unbiased on this matter - but this is one of the most selfless, balanced teams I've ever seen. A team of unlikely heroes.
Scott Podsednik, who hadn't hit a home run all season, stepped up and hit two in the playoffs, including the walk-off winner in Game 2 on Sunday. Willie Harris, who barely played in the playoffs, got a pinch hit to get on base and bring home the only run last night. Geoff Blum, a former Astro, who got a pinch hit homer in the 14th inning to give us the margin of victory in Game 3. And the pitching--four complete games to close out the American League Championship Series. An 11 and 1 record in the playoffs. 15 scoreless innings to finish the World Series.
Before the season started, the Sox were a consensus .500 team. Even as we built and maintained the best record in the American League all season, there were many doubters. Towards the end of the season, we hit a rough patch, and the doubters got louder. They said Cleveland had more playoff experience. They said even if we held on to make the playoffs, we would get embarrassed in the first round. But during the stretch run, manager Ozzie Guillen and his "kids," as he calls them, were calm and relaxed. Even as Cleveland came on strong and our lead in the Central Division dwindled, Ozzie's kids continued to play pranks on each other in the clubhouse, and continued to run hard on the basepaths.
Once the playoffs started, there was no looking back. That difficult September was gone in an instant. We silenced the doubters by sweeping the World Champion Boston Red Sox. We silenced the Angels during the ALCS in five games. And we swept the Astros in four games.
I had the privilege of attending game one of the World Series on Saturday, and the fans in and around the park were a cross-section of the city. There were plenty of folks old enough to remember the '59 team. Almost everyone remembered the 2000 team that made the playoffs. A few were even alive in 1917. A staffer of mine, a Southside Irishman and a Sox fan all his life, mentioned a 92-year-old woman at Saturday's game. She was jumping and cheering so much with every hit and every run that my staffer worried for her health!
I would like to congratulate the entire White Sox organization, in particular Jerry Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams, and Ozzie Guillen. We will be celebrating this victory for a long time on the Southside, around the city of Chicago, and around the entire state of Illinois.
Later today, Senator Durbin and I will be introducing a resolution honoring the White Sox, and we will be asking for its immediate consideration and adoption. Thank you, and I yield the floor.
I don't think you'll see him running around with a Cubbies hat if they get to the WS this year.
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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Nothing against Obama...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jan 31, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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Uh, no
"If during the crosstown classic, if the Cubs beat the White Sox, I have to wear Cubs garb," Obama said, stiffling a laugh. "I have to parade around and say Dusty Baker is my Daddy."
"Fortunately," he added, "this will not happen."
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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lol
I hope he wins the nom.
by Shoeless In SC on
Jan 31, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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As do I
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 11:27 AM CST
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Definitely
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 5:55 PM CST
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Why only the "rich", "white",
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 7:22 PM CST
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It amazes me
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 8:30 PM CST
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Pete, I can say with the greatest
You ought to read Finacial Times' columns today and get the perspective of folks outside the US who sees our middle class for what it is - one of the true "middle classes" in the world. Most of the universe outside the US is represented only by the have's and the have not's. One Indian gentleman writes about it rather eloquently in today's paper.
No doubt Georgie is a buffoon personally and professionally. But to imply the tax cuts only benefitted a select few is inaccurate and irresponsible.
by winningugly on
Jan 31, 2008 8:40 PM CST
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I wish we could say the same about our country
get the perspective of folks outside the US who sees our middle class for what it is
I have conversations with people that have lived both in and out (Europe) the US on our middle class among other topics
the word that best describes their opinion is 'joke'
by The Wizard on
Jan 31, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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spare me please
If you want I can break out graphs and statistics showing where the great bulk of all these tax savings have accrued. Sure there's been some sops to the (rapidly shrinking) middle classes, but in the main they've gone to people who didn't need the money in the first place (myself included). To argue otherwise is myopic.
by ChicagoPete on
Jan 31, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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Pete, the last time I looked,
And wiz, tax cuts can be financed with debt or increased revenues. The cuts actually increased tax receipts far above any govt. projections. They worked. There are other forces at work (globalization, consumption, demographics, entitlements) that help squeeze the middle class, but lower taxes ain't one of 'em.
My last post on this, really. It'd be great to have a beer or two and discuss this but that's not what I come to the site for, so I'll let go and, as Hazy says, listen for your answer.
by winningugly on
Feb 1, 2008 6:31 AM CST
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Amazing how over the last 7 years
I'm with Buffet on this one: there's something wrong with a system that has his secretary paying a higher % of her wages in taxes than he does:
"Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: "The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you're in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent."
Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.
Lloyd Blankfein, the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, acknowledged in an interview yesterday that there were justified concerns about the huge profits generated by private equity firms and that he worried that income inequality was "poisoning democracy". He also said that he would be voting for the Democrat candidate at the next election. Mr Blankfein is the highest-paid executive on Wall Street, earning $54 million last year.
Mr Buffett, who runs the investment group Berkshire Hathaway and is widely regarded as the world's most successful investor, said that he was a Democrat because Republicans are more likely to think: "I'm making $80 million a year - God must have intended me to have a lower tax rate."
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
by Chiburb on
Feb 1, 2008 8:32 AM CST
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shield your eyes

There's plenty more graphic evidence like this for the other components of the tax cuts, the charts all skew like this. Did some middle class people benefit? - of course they did. Did the lions share of the benefit accrue to the extreme end of the income spectrum? - of course they did.
by ChicagoPete on
Feb 1, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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Wing-nut Welfare
by Chiburb on
Feb 1, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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Tax cuts and increased revenue
It's difficult to figure out the truth here, because lots of people's jobs are actually to produce reports and numbers justifying certain policies. You only have to head over to the Heritage Foundation website to learn that tax cuts do pay for themselves...at least according to their economists.
by hitlesswonder on
Feb 1, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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Do we have any economists here?
Anyway, here's hoping this isn't the post that gets this diary closed.
by hitlesswonder on
Jan 31, 2008 10:18 PM CST
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I think
This is weak sauce in comparison.
by Shoeless In SC on
Jan 31, 2008 10:26 PM CST
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Isn't Ron Paul an economist?
I tried reading a few political threads over at Soxtalk, and I see the discussion there isn't really a whole lot different (better) than the discussion that takes place on the baseball part of it. And for a person like myself who isn't very politically informed (I'm trying to get better, I really am! I'm taking a PolySci class and am trying to add The Daily Kos to my daily blog-glossover), it sucks not knowing who's got a respectable opinion and whatnot.
So seriously... Ron Paul -- just a kook, or a guy who's called a kook just because his ideas appear to be separate from everyone elses?
by CWSKeith on
Jan 31, 2008 11:42 PM CST
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ron paul...
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 1, 2008 6:51 AM CST
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yes, kook
by ChicagoPete on
Feb 1, 2008 9:22 AM CST
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Not an economist, but read something recently
Probably enough knowledge to make one dangerous, but thought it might be interesting to you. I would recommend the book as I thought it was a pretty good read despite the subject matter of personal finances.
by rhythm on
Feb 1, 2008 5:21 PM CST
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Just like us, bro
And Pete, you SOB (I say it with love) when 1% of the population pay 30+% of the tax, I think that's somewhat equitable. (Actually, not - I'd like the nice Forbesian flat 17% tax meself.)
Damn, I wish I were going to be there in March hearing your caterwauling about the financial inequities of he world.
by winningugly on
Feb 1, 2008 6:47 PM CST
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by March 15 the nominees
I suspect politics won't be discussed, though you will be for sure.
:-)
by Chiburb on
Feb 1, 2008 7:12 PM CST
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