Nick Swisher against some division pitchers

by stanchar on Jan 8, 2008 12:34 PM CST

Verlander: 4-15 2HRS
Bonderman: 1-6 HR
Robertson: 2-19
Rogers: 4-15
Sabathia: 5-13
Carmona: 3-7
Byrd: 7-21
Westbrook: 1-19 HR
Santana: 3-14
Meche: 3-14
O Perez: 1-5
Bannister: 2-6 HR

Probably forgot some guys, just looked at some of the bigger names for SP.

Totals: 36-154
.234 BA

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why not include walks?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 8, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions

Yeah... I should have.

by stanchar on Jan 8, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions

Here's his OPS against, with # of PAs

My apologies for not knowing how to make this look pretty.

Roberston, DET .269, 23 PA
Meche, KC .741, 22 PA
Byrd, CLE .714, 21 PA
Rogers, DET .742, 21 PA
Verlander, DET .963, 19 PA
Westbrook, CLE .264, 19 PA
Santana, MIN .466, 19 PA
Sabathia, CLE .962, 16 PA
Bonderman, DET .920, 11 PA
Carmona, CLE 1.270, 9 PA
Bonser, MIN .472, 9 PA
Bannister, KC 1.262, 7 PA
Perez, KC .629, 7 PA
de la Rosa, KC .750, 5 PA
Baker, MIN .700, 5 PA
Liriano, MIN 1.250, 4 PA

by Ryno on Jan 8, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

hmm...

Verlander, Sabathia, Bonderman, Carmona, Liriano... all these pitchers have plus fastballs, right? Swisher has rocked them.

Just thinking.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 8, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions

Well, that's it

Swisher can't hit AL Central pitching. The Sox are toast.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 8, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions

unless

paul byrd pitches every game for every team.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 8, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

for a guy with a lifetime BA of .251

being 17 points lower against some of the better pitchers shouldn't come as a shock. as pointed out already, BA is sort of irrelevant - especially in the case of swisher.

by larry on Jan 8, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

Unscientifically

I just added his results against non-White Sox ALCentral opponents...

   G    PA    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP    BA   OBP   SLG   OPS

+----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+

   29   123   107   31  12   0   3   16   13   2   20   3   0   0   0   2  .290  .382  .486  .868

   25   112    89   21   4   0   6   18   22   2   17   0   0   1   1   1  .236  .384  .483  .867

   22    93    76   16   2   0   3    8   15   1   25   1   0   1   1   1  .211  .344  .355  .699

   26   103    84   21   7   0   4   13   15   0   16   2   1   1   0   2  .250  .373  .476  .849

+----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+

  102   431   348   89  25   0  16   55   65   5   78   6   1   3   2   6  .256  .379  .465  .844

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by The Cheat on Jan 9, 2008 12:26 AM CST reply actions

so pretty much his career average

with a bit higher OBP. not much to take from that.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions

Sure there is -

he's consistent.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions

is that you joe?

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions

Que?

Who dat?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

PS

When are you going to tell me you went short banks/insurers/mortgage co's. last month?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

why would one have waited until december

to go short on those?

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

October, then

But in October/Nov. you were discussing your longs, not your shorts.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions

why would one have waited until october

to short those?

i'm being a bit facetious, of course, but the trouble was already rearing its head earlier this year - i never quite figured out why no one (well, there were some, of course, like goldman) was drawing the connections between subprime and mortgages and banks etc. long before the "crisis" hit. irrational exuberance, perhaps?

at any rate, i'm not a big-time trader. i've shorted oil (the commodity) but i'm still relatively long overall in energy. moved some money into russia of late. nothing really all that interesting to report considering i've just taken money off the table because i think a recession is coming - but i'm not sure whether it will necessarily make the stock market do much other than tread water, in general.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions

Not exuberance - inertia

Letting go of winners is touch for most folks.

I've been long gold/oil for 2-3 years in most portfolios and am looking to take profits, but the damn stock market keeps falling and commodities keep going up. I think hard assets are the place to be for the next 3-5 years vs. paper assets.

Get ready in 6-12 months to start accumulating real estate (REIT's, etc.).

Agree w/ direction of the market, recession or no. Sloppy.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

i'd put it

at 12-18 months for real estate, in general. this thing is going to take a while to shake out. it's going to be late 2009 before things start to get better. i suppose, then, it depends upon where/what price you want to make your entry.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

So we'll agree on the "12" part

I think a mid-sized-large bank/brokerage/insurer needs to fail, along with some homebuilders, before it shakes out.

If CRC goes out, that'll help.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

we can agree

subject to revision by both sides, of course. no plan or forecast should ever go un-re-examined. plenty of homebuilders (neumann, leavitt, so on) have failed. those others you mention are interesting - people generally don't like those to fail. ripe for consolidation or asset purchases, though...

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Yep, if I'm a soverign fund

I'm diggin' all this mess.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

anyone who has cash is digging this

warren buffet, hedge funds, vulture funds, rich people. bargains to be had.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions

Guys who can get Sox box seats

wherever/whenever they want/need? Without batting an eyelash?

;)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

i'm sure some distressed investors

were looking at sox season tickets last year...

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

12-18 months too early, at least

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions

i'd apply the same analysis to the sox

that i applied to real estate. late 2009 before things start to look better. and even then...

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions

didn't take long for that prediction

to come to fruition or close to it. should be interesting to see how this one plays out.

by larry on Jan 10, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions

It's played.

As the media knuckeheads said - averaging down from $18/share. B of A has it's own problems. I want to see how THAT turns out. (They're having interesting times just keeping their money funds afloat.)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 11, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions

well

i like to see how the actual deal pans out,too. bofa is buying a problem. i understand why they're doing it but i'm not sure anyone can predict how big the problems really are. and, as you say, they've got problems of their own already.

by larry on Jan 12, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions

Interesting

Stephen Roach thinks US asset prices need to fall. My reading of that article is that he believes that's what has to happen to "fix" the US economy, not necessarily what will happen. So it's hard to know what action to take based on what he wrote. Typical economist...

by hitlesswonder on Jan 9, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions