ZiPS: SSS Sanctioned off-season plan vs. reality
- Swisher vs. Burrell -- .272/.384/.515 in USCF vs. .249/.377/.479 in CBBP
- Quentin vs. Cameron -- .249/.342/.428 in USCF vs. .249/.334/.424 in Petco
- Cabrera vs. Furcal -- .276/.330/.372 in USCF vs. .276/.346/.387 in Dodger Stadium
- Linebrink vs. Wood -- 69 IP, 4.70 ERA, 49/23 K/BB ratio vs. 29 IP, 3.72 ERA, 33/14 K/BB ratio
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Kenny's plan
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln
I'm fine with Swisher though, almost bordering on genius when factoring in the contract. I only wish he wasn't penciled into CF.
But... Kenny GM isn't done yet. I still say Crede and something will go to Milwaukee for Hall.
haha
Sorry about wandering OT, but final season of "The Wire" is back on. Life is good bitches, this show is better than the Sopranos:
Proposition Joe: I heard your end would be covering my fee.
Stringer Bell: Your fee?
Proposition Joe: Yeah, I'm like a marriage counselor. Tell the man he oughta bring the bitch some flowers every once in a while. Tell the bitch she gotta suck some cock every once in a while. That sort of shit.
[Omar arrives]
Proposition Joe: Speaking of cocksuckers...
[to Omar]
Proposition Joe: I'm Proposition Joe. You fuck with me, I'll kill your whole family.
I miss Stringer
by hitlesswonder on Jan 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't the Cardinals site,
by winningugly on Jan 10, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Why would he stroke out?
by hitlesswonder on Jan 10, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
as State Senator Clay Davis would say,
by ChicagoPete on Jan 10, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
How were the Sox...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 9, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
and
That's a bit of problem
It's always hard to know
by hitlesswonder on Jan 9, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
The intention of the post was to show
Except...
The Sox have Swisher's and Quentin's peak years for relatively cheap (which wouldn't be the case for Burrell and Cameron). Furcal's contract is an albatross, whereas Cabrera is on a one year deal.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 9, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
If ifs and buts...
And are we really going to pine for Cameron? I can hear (or foresee, rather) the "Just what we need, another aging veteran" posts already.
Furcal is on a 1-year deal
If Cabrera wasn't added, I would be railing about the missed opportunity to add 4 top 50 2009 draft picks instead of 2.
I'm of the opinion that it's almost impossible to have a bad 1-year contract in MLB, especially when that player project to be a type-A free agent in a years time. There are no 1-year albatrosses.
I thought Furcal...
As for Burrell, that's my point. The Sox gave up more for Swisher, but Swisher is signed cheaplly through 2012. Plus, he's 4-5 years younger.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 10, 2008 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
So that is the offensive side of the discussion
O/T
Mallet
Bleh, I was going to respond to this
A freshman quarterback is almost always a bad thing. Even Henne was severely limited and lucked out thanks to having all everything best ever Braylon. I watched that whole season knowing that if Chad wasn't constantly passing that game, his rhythm and mechanics would suffer. Mallett was the same way, only worse.
So why was he so bad? Hard to say. There was a lot of speculation that he was something of a prima donna, but let's face it: we don't know. If Lloyd liked him (and I'm pretty sure he did) that's endorsement enough for me. Besides, it's Michigan. We just make quarterbacks here. He's the centerpiece of the offense.
So: if Scot Loeffler (the QB coach) had stayed on under Rich, I'm pretty confident he would have been acceptable at least and an all star by junior season. Ryan's right to stick with Scot, because he made Navarre into an NFL pick and you saw what Henne looked like in the bowl game. He's polished mechanically, looks off defenders and understands coverages. That's what Michigan quarterbacks have been since Grbac and Loeffler did much to uphold that legacy. I mean hell, even Matt Gutierrez got drafted by the Patriots. I really doubt he would have been touched as a D1-AA if he hadn't been thought good enough to go to Michigan in the first place.
As for the receivers: Mario was widely speculated before the season to be gone. Adrian had a huge game in the CapOne Bowl and was generally just fantastic the entire season. His hands are phenomenal, not to mention his obvious size advantage. I'm not certain about his speed, but a guy that works as hard as he did to stay on the team and has size and hands is going to have a good chance. He might end up being more Marquise Walker than Braylon though. We'll see. Lloyd met him every day over the summer to do stairs at the Big House after he got in trouble over...something? Forget what. Lloyd talked about it in the press conference and it was really touching.
So: all in all I'm kind of concerned. I mean I like change and everything, but the way Rich has gone about it has been without the grace that Lloyd brought to the program every day. It comes off as very Weis-ian honestly.
Phew. Enough words.
Also: why all the Michigan questions? You a grad, or just interested? Just curious.
of course not.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
it's all on evridge.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, gotcha.
The results have been ok,
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Big Ten gay, you guys are
here is what you really are...
Sam (also 19): "Sure did and she was one hot Milf"
Bob : "Well dude welcome to the Boilermaker Club"
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by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Where is Soulja Boy when I
'Course I happen to like milfs more than some of you...
MILF rules
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
so
hmmm...
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
i love it
I assume you're being somewhat
everybody is out drinking.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's just a different culture I guess
in the end, though,
by Toonderstrook on Jan 10, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
the SEC is the best football conference
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Pitch Data
Where's the Chicago Tough, Cheat?
by winningugly on Jan 10, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
None of them have the low K rates
no nose job for The Legend
It will be a lifelong reminder for Aaron Rowand, who has no desire to pretty up his face with a nose job.
"Hey," he said. "Chicks dig scars."
Wow.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
yeah man Im happy for him
by Eternalkonflict on Jan 9, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Happy for him too
by hitlesswonder on Jan 9, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
HA!
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 10, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder why OC's SLG is expected...
He's had a SLG % lower than .380 only twice in a full season, and had a .404 in 2006, and a .397 in 2007.
Just seems odd. I really don't care how high his SLG is, I just find it odd. I want his OBP go up though. If he gets it up to the .345 clip he was at last year, that'd be a real coup.
I think that means he's a
De Luca
is this guy smoking crack?? i understand he was awful in 2006, but as far as ERA, whip, and BAA, he was under or exactly on par with his career averages. sometimes i dont get what the hell these writers look at or base their judgements off of. im sure he looked at WINS, and only say a 10-9 recrod and probably thought that sucked.
Research? What these writers look at?
seriously
its not?!
Our staff isn't really that old
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Average age of Starting Rotations as of today
Sox - 28.2
Cleveland - 27.8
KC - 26.6
Minnesota - 25.4
I think...
Median age would probably be a better indicator of the youth of the rotation than mean.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 10, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
indeed
Just for you JRE...using median
Cleveland - 27
Minnesota - 26
KC - 26
Detroit - 25
Haha...I'd say Kenny Rodgers skews the results just a bit.
Like Larry said, none of those rotations are particularly old.
not to make you do more work
Sorry Larry...
I'd also be interested to see the relationship between average age of a starting rotation and performance.
I agree.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
he may be sort of right
we're obviously dealing with a smallish sample size but there are trends in them that are concerning. i would highly doubt MB is going to post a sub 4.00 again next year.
larry
expected ERA
Expected ERA (XERA)
Description: xERA represents the expected ERA of the pitcher based on a normal distribution of his statistics. It is not influenced by situation-dependent factors. xERA erases the inequity between starters' and relievers' ERAs, eliminating the effect that a pitcher's success or failure has on another pitcher's ERA. Similar to other gauges, the accuracy of this formula changes with the level of competition from one season to the next. The normalizing factor allows us to better approximate a pitcher's actual ERA. This value is usually somewhere around 2.77 and varies by league and year.
XERA = (.575 * H/9 ) + (.94 * HR/9 ) + (.28 * BB/9 ) - (.01 * K/9 ) - Normalizing Factor
http://danagonistes.blogspot.com/2004/09/more-accurate-era.html
now, xERA shouldn't be gospel; but such a large discrepancy shouldn't be ignored, either.
and since i didn't include it in the original post, MB had an actual ERA of 3.63 with an overall xERA of 4.39.
sure
well he is a soft thrower
that could be for the best
also: am i the only one who is annoyed by kevin goldstein? his writing and opinions seem to contain a lot of certainty despite the fact that he can't answer questions about the expected distribution of major leaguers in the minors at any given time.
I think
santana to the mets?
that would be pretty disgusting hall for the twins if they can get that from the mets. part of me wants santana gone into the NL, but then part of me doesnt want to have to deal with any of those prospects if they turn out in 3 or 4 years.
That's nothing
-Baily
-Cueto
-Votto
Three A prospects instead of one fringe A/B for Santana. Makes no sense
i find it hard to believe
Well...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 10, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Hey
by Soulja Boy on Jan 10, 2008 8:28 AM CST reply actions
Crede helps us win in 08?
That helps us win in 08. Not Crede at 3B, IMO.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
According
it just wont die
Figgins for sure,
CAN YOU REALLY SAY
by Soulja Boy on Jan 10, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I can definitely say...
He's a lot cheaper, and his defense, while worse, isn't historically bad.
Besides, your argument is based entirely on whether Crede is healthy, that's a big if, and also if he can renegotiate his contract. That's another big IF.
And no, you didn't throw out the idea of him playing LF for the Sox to compete in 08. You said the best way for the Sox to compete in 08 was for Crede to play 3B and Fields to go back to the minors. Also, do you not recall Kenny saying last year that the Fields/LF experiment was over?
And typing in all caps doesn't get your point across any better. It just makes you look dumber.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
by Soulja Boy on Jan 11, 2008 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
You really undervalue Fields
And there are no hills in SC within ~200 miles of where I live.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 11, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Imagine.....
Yes
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 10, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
BP's revised top 11 sox prospects
- Aaron Poreda, LHP
- John Shelby, Jr. CF
- Jose Martinez, OF
- Jack Egbert, RHP
- Lance Broadway, RHP
- Brian Omogrosso, RHP
- Kyle McCulloch, RHP
- Christian Marrero, 1B
- John Ely, RHP
- Salvador Sanchez, OF
- Charlie Haeger, RHP
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7033
I still think...
Probably not for the Sox, sadly.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 10, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I like Broadway
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 10, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I see Lance Broadway...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 10, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so...
In fairness, Broadway's breaking stuff is much better and he had unterrible control earlier in his career. Wright was continually plagued by control problems.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 10, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Frankly I'm surprised
However, it is a good sign that the guys we drafted last year are doing well and projecting well. It shows some hope that our scouts are doing something right.
My opinion? The sox draft all position players next draft. At least for the first 10 rounds. Fill out the rest with pitchers.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
i've mentioned this before
of course, it's one man's opinion that he's #1 (although sickels also considers him a B+ and the sox #1).
if he pitches well in '08
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 10, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
seriously, the stupidity blows my mind
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/01/os-roberts-is-i.html
From the same link:
Who is Nick Swisher, other than a .260 hitter with average (in this era) power? He's basically Jacque Jones with a personality.
Posted by: John | Jan 4, 2008 9:45:42 AM
I think he's more versatile, but I love that Jacque Jones with a personality line. Prize closet.
Mainstream sportwriting makes me wretch
by hitlesswonder on Jan 10, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
good find, grasshopper
JUST CURIOUS
by Soulja Boy on Jan 10, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions
One benefit of Kenny's Plan
I think it's unrealistic to think that any GM would be willing to punt the next 4-5 years (until the 2008/2009 draft picks are ready) on a rebuilding project. If we're talking about 2010, can anyone really say right now that Sweeney/Carter/DLS/Gio is going to be a better combination than Quentin/Swisher/2 pitchers-to-be-determined?
None of this excuses Linebrink.
by Bear89 on Jan 10, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions

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