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Why the White Sox Will Beat the Rays

The following piece was commissioned--well, commissioned would imply that money had changed hands, so that's not the right word--by The Hardball Times. They wanted the story crafted around the title "Why [insert team here] Will Beat [insert second team here]," but didn't seem to like my Why the Twins Will Beat the White Sox entry. So I threw a little something together to placate those slave drivers.

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While everything I've written in the following piece is true. I've left some of those pesky facts out; like the Sox lack of speed, or their record when they fail to hit a HR, or their road record, or their record in domes. You know, facts.

I know how dangerous, and out of character, it is for me to express optimism here. So, I'm issuing this preface. This is made-to-order optimism, which doesn't count nearly as much a real optimism. Similarly, it doesn't have the jinx-ability, to make up a word, of real optimism. So we're safe. The Twins will totally take care of these upstart Rays.

I had intended to write a separate preview-type post specifically for you guys, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. So read below, or head over to THT and check out the same thing under a different name.

Star-divide

The White Sox aren't supposed to be here. The AL Central was supposed to be a battle between the Tigers and Indians. But here we are; the Tigers offense didn't come close to approaching 1000 runs and the Indians received almost zero production from two of their top offensive threats before trading away their best pitcher, leaving the Twins and White Sox to battle it out for the division.

While the prevailing narrative seemed to be that nobody wanted to take control of the Central as both the Sox and Twins faltered in September, the reality is that the White Sox have been in control since May 15th. For it was on that date that two important events occurred. First, Juan Uribe, who opened the season as the team's starting second baseman, went down with a leg injury. All his replacement (Alexei Ramirez) has done is hit .304/.331/.502 since, including the go-ahead grand slam in game 162, inserting himself into the middle of the AL Rookie discussion. Second, that was the last day the White Sox were as much a one game behind in the division. True, they didn't hold on to first place for every remaining day on the schedule, and had to go all the way to game 163 to decide the division, but they never trailed by more than a half-game.

If the baseball season is a marathon, the White Sox were the team with the world class kick. Well, maybe not world class, but strong enough to outkick their competition. They set the pace all season, and saved just enough to outlast a scrappy Twins squad that nipped at their heels for the entire second half. And they've got enough left in the tank for a post-season sprint.

They've been there before

The Sox have seen some considerable roster churn since their 2005 World Series title, but their core remains. That squad was anchored by Paul Konerko and Jermaine Dye offensively, with AJ Pierzynski making the calls behind the plate and Bobby Jenks closing games out. Mark Buehrle is the only starting pitcher returning from that team, but...

They're tested

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John Danks and Gavin Floyd were question marks coming into the season, but they're playoff veterans now. Floyd has pitched two of his best games in the twilight of the season, with an impressive performance in Yankee Stadium and an amazing start on short rest in what amounted to an elimination game Monday. Floyd mixed his pitches well, and when Detroit started to sit on his fastball, he scrapped it altogether, using a variety of breaking balls to record his final 6 outs.

Danks, who is only 23, has been protected from a high workload by the White Sox. When the Jose Contreras injury left them without a true 5th starter and forced them into essentially a 4-man rotation, the Sox did everything in their power to make sure that Danks was not used on short rest. And when they were finally left with no other option in game 163, Danks turned in the best start of his young career in the most pressure-packed game you can have outside the playoffs.

They've weathered the storm

The Sox choked. There's no other way to explain their 5-game losing streak in the final week of the season. To revisit the running analogy, they stumbled, falling flat on their face in the final 200 meters of the marathon, before getting back to their feet and sprinting back to the lead in a photo finish. They've already stared elimination in the face.

The Sox were a team falling apart as late as the final Saturday of the regular season. Javier Vazquez got into a mound argument with Pierzynski after he gave up a 3-run double. Orlando Cabrera was calling out his teammates. Ozzie Guillen was calling out Vazquez and Cabrera. Nick Swisher, who has never met a microphone he didn't like, was suddenly not talking to the media following his late-September benching.

Then they won the final 3 games. Pierzynski hugged Vazquez, who will pitch game 1 based on availability more than merit. Cabrera gushed about the heart of his teammates. And Swisher was friends with the media again. Winning cures all. Winning after the season seemed lost gives the Sox a Nothing To Lose mentality heading into the playoffs.

They've got a pair of ringless HOF-bound players

Jim Thome and Ken Griffey Jr. have combined for 1152 home runs, including the game 163 game-winner, and have played a combined 4751 major league games (including playoffs), but neither have a World Series title on their resume. There has never been a 600 HR club hitter and a 500 HR club hitter in the same lineup prior to this White Sox team, and there may never be two players on the same club who've combined for such impressive individual records, yet lack the ultimate team crown, ever again.

Thome and Junior looked like little kids dancing on the field Tuesday night. While there is no way to quantify this, there's nobody in baseball that wants to get to that point again, this time celebrating a World Series win, more than these two. Give an edge to the Sox on intangibles.

They've turned up the heat in the pen

Bobby Jenks has transformed from a fireballing fastball-curveball strikeout artist in his first two seasons to a strike-throwing groundball machine with a complete arsenal of pitches in his last two. Jenks all but ditched his curveball this season, and when he did throw it, it wasn't the fall-off-the-table hammer that Jenks rode to dominance in the 2005 postseason. Jenks has always maintained that he could reach 100 again "if he needed it," which was widely used as a punchline by many a White Sox fan.

Jenks may have the last laugh though. He opened the season throwing in the low-to-mid 90's on the radar gun, and sat at about 94-95 MPH for much of the season. But in the last few weeks Jenks fastball has begun to show some signs of renewed life. He averaged about 95-96 in his last few outings before unleashing some serious heat in the play-in game against the Twins when his fastball averaged 98.1 MPH and topped out at 99.7 according to gameday.

Jenks isn't the only member of the Sox with some renewed life in his arm. Scott Linebrink's trip to the DL in late July sent the White Sox pen into a tailspin, and he didn't exactly help when he finally returned at the beginning of September. But in his final outing he averaged 93 MPH on the gun, up from 90-91 in his previous post-DL outings, and showcased a hard breaking curveball that hadn't been seen since June. It was only one outing, but it was the first glimpse the Sox have had of the Linebrink who allowed only 5 earned runs over his first 37 appearances.

Also bringing the heat in the pen are Matt Thornton, the hardest throwing lefthander in baseball, and Octavio Dotel, who is a walking definition of streaky. Thankfully for the White Sox, he closed the season on a hot streak, retiring the last 15 batters he's faced, 8 of which by strikeout.

The Sox bullpen was terrible in the second half, but these 4 guys might be putting it all back together at the right time to give the Sox a shot at a postseason run.

They've got power at every position

Postseason baseball is said to be about pitching and defense. You'll get no argument from me there. I've already touched on the Sox pitching. Defensively, the Sox are challenged, especially in the outfield and holding runners. But what the Sox lack in outfield defense, they make up for with the longball.

It seems that power is written off by many once the postseason rolls around. This strikes me as odd, because if the game is going to be low-scoring, decided by pitching, doesn't that amplify the impact of the home run? Well the Sox are the most powerful team in baseball. They live and die by the HR, and more often than not, they've lived this season. As they showed in the play-in game, dominant pitching plus one swing of the bat can be a winning formula in a playoff atmosphere.

They're the Rays' equal

Even thought the Rays compiled the best record in the AL, the last time they faced the White Sox, I noted how evenly matched the two clubs were. Looking back on that entry, I should have seen the injury comparison as a sign. Carlos Quentin, the Sox LF MVP candidate, would only last another week. The Sox haven't announced their playoff roster, but it's a pretty good bet that Quentin will not make the cut. He's begun to take swings, however, and could be back for the ALCS, but that's for another preview.

The Sox have actually outscored the Rays 37-35, despite losing 6 of their 10 meetings this season. The first three meetings of the year were blowouts, but the remaining 7 were some of the Sox hardest fought games of the year. 3 of the games ended in walk-offs, and 5 were decided by the bullpens. In fact, if not for a Sox bullpen that could be described as incredibly unlucky and an offense that completely shut down with 2 outs and runners in scoring position, the Sox might have come out on top in 7 or more of their contests with the Rays.

Prediction

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

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The SBNation MLB Postseason Website

Has Sunday’s game for 2 pm CT. Everywhere else has TBD. Anyone have an idea where 2 pm CT came from?

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/postseason

by PaulieK14 on Oct 2, 2008 12:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bravo, Cheat

Great Preview. GO SOX!

by Jbasic89 on Oct 2, 2008 12:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, Yeah... This wasn't supposed to be here

But I fucked up while trying to schedule the post, so, I guess I’ll just leave it.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Oct 2, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this series will come down to 2 things

Either our starters go deep or they don’t.
Either our lineup hits home runs or they don’t.

If our starters go deep and we hit home runs, I think we’ll win. If not, we’ll probably lose.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 12:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he doesn't own a monopoly on sharp analysis such as this

In fact, I should be on ESPN with analysis like that.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I do.

You will be hearing from my lawyers shortly.

by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 2, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lare?

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freaking Toby...

Nice goggles. How long has he had those? I saw a mid-’80’s racing picture of Paul Newman wearing the same ones…

"People call me the Danks man; I'm the stylish one of the group... I nick named my testes - my left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater. You Twinkies play your cards right you just might get to meet the whole gang."

by thekever on Oct 2, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In-depth post analysis:

Awesome. Thanks, Cheat. Better fan because of you.

by Cold Snowden on Oct 2, 2008 1:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great work, Cheat.

It’s unusual to see any piece on this site so positive. I actually appreciate the slant, as I feel I know every wart on the Sox’ behind yet bypass the good stuff.

Fair and balanced? Nah, it’s time for some HOMERISM! And that foot is me.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 7:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ditto

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis!

"People call me the Danks man; I'm the stylish one of the group... I nick named my testes - my left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater. You Twinkies play your cards right you just might get to meet the whole gang."

by thekever on Oct 2, 2008 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The surge is working

…keep rolling, Sox!

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Up early, Roy.

Old folks do that, don’t they?

;)

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

always been a morning writer...

…back in my news days in Chi I was on the street with a TV crew at 6, And yes, old folks do that!

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy, do you read Ken Levine's blog? I know he's a comedy writer/producer (not your thing)

but it’s still a “small” community, right?

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, i know ken. he's also got an NPR thing out here.

looks like the actors are going on strike soon. Our biz is shit since the writers strike and now it’ll be even worse. ‘New media’ is the looming issue. Given the ratings for new shows, the nets are dying.

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another arrow in Disney's behind, eh?

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing to me that TV is what was going to kill newspapers (along with radio)

and now the “tubes” are doing the same to tv (at least partially; greedy studios too?).

Btw, I read him daily. Very funny, also seems a good guy.
He also does the Dodger’s post-game show, right?

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the SAG is moaning about compensation for video game work

If they were smart (which they are not), they would work on unionizing the rest of the industry, because there are a lot of people who have much more impact on a video game’s success than the actors. Instead, they turn it into a situation where the artists/programmers/designers side with management. Dumb for SAG.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...indicative of the problem.

SAG just wants a foot in the door. All parties need to agree on a ‘formula. ’ The WGA always leads the way in these deals, then, like the directors, drop their drawers for a pittance. That’s what happened with ‘foreign’ in ‘86 and it’s happened again with new media. The appearance of movement is important to the ‘rabble’ who like to yell ‘strike’ at every opportunity. Problem is my vote counts as much as the unemployed guild member’s, (all the guilds) and they think the idea of a strike is ‘romantic.’ I always advocated that if you haven’t made X in the course of a year, why should u get a full vote?

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those without a job certainly have a different impetus to call a strike

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their beefs are not about 'not enough jobs'

Its about the fact they get no royalties/residuals/whatever on web content. On that front, I think they have a point.

The video game thing is just a side issue I was mentioning to demonstrate that SAG does not always have the best strategy going into these things.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the Writers certainly sucked ass

not surprised SAG isn’t any better.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find the Guild semi-worthless tho ...

they do a good job of policing my residuals, and the health and pension plan are the best in the biz. I’m also of the school that writers are craftsmen, therefore magazines that promote the writer-as-celeb are total bullshit. The Guild thinks otherwise. My motto: head down, do the job, move forward.

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, forgive my ig'nance on the topic...

but would this be a good time for a writer to get into the biz?
Or a really terrible time?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably terrible

but i don’t have any actual details. just fears.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good material is always the key

…no matter what the economy.

by RoyEgan on Oct 2, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Content, baby. Someone always will pay.

Site value continues to climb – gotta be $160K today with a win.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i'm screwed up and down then

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bally:

Are you watching the game on the floor or at a local watering hole? If the latter, I’ll meet you (and your wheelchair)…

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta be on the floor til 3:30 or so. but thanks.

Next weeks’ ALCS games, i’d love to.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Proof that all of Central Florida is a cow town:

Orlando Slantinel writer today was comparing Sox/Rays per position. Gotta love that they gave GS the edge over Upton in CF because he is a “Future Hall of Famer”, and gave Bartlett the edge over OC because he was “the primary reason” they won the division. Also, they call the bullpen “even”, since Percival has had such a great year.

Oh, and they picked Maddon over Ozzie’s rings. Nice bulletin board material for Oz.

Can’t wait for 2:30. AEG, you’d better come up with your in-depth analysis pretty damn soon.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, wearing the che shirt

underneath a dress casual shirt – i’ve got a meeting today – but i’m going to break it out like superQ when the moment is right today, haha

by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 2, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well played.

I knew I was missing something to day

by Grinder in Training on Oct 2, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I brought mine to work again. I've been schlepping it back and forth all week....gotta keep the luck straight. :)

When you believe in things that you don’t understand…………..

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there's always the CHICAGO Sun-Times:

In their 2 page spread of rosters/pictures, they showed the Ancient Mariner in a Reds cap and Wise in somebody’s cap, red also.

Fish wrap.

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"central crapland Florida"

is what i called it yesterday

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great line, colin. Really.

What time will we have the James Shields thumb overview nail sketch?

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

14 seconds after first pitch.

duh!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have class at 1

so i might try to write it during class depending on how it looks. we got excoriated recently for obviously not having read the assigned texts, so i might not be able to. fwiw, i haven’t read the material for today either.

didn’t i already do a BUO for the rays?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

'scuses.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ancient history.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat, despite your reservations

I find your preview more compelling than the Tampa one – certainly better written!

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

certainly more indepth.

i also have trouble taking seriously an article written by someone named after a material from a tree. i prefer porn star writings.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CM was bad karma. Very bad.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the good lord doesn't like homosexuals.

leviticus 18:22

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's in Orlando

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tomorrow.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where are you old POSs (at least from my spot!) sitting?

I imagine there’ll be a somewhat decent contingent of Sox fans down there, but I could be wrong…

by CWSKeith on Oct 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sect 126, Row B.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wu came through.

we’s gonna be on the tv!

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your mother better be in the picture with you 2 jokers.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mom can't work on short rest anymore.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus he didn't preface every piece of analysis with the phrase

“the magic 8-ball says”

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didn't read the whole thing.

just like on here, you have to interest me early or i skip. beating around the bush for three paragraphs and referencing children’s toys are not ways to get me to keep reading.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

question

are any interent radio stations allowed to play the playoff games? i know the score cant during the regular season…. we have horrible reception from radio’s in our office, i cant even really use a cell phone because theres so much interference.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Oct 2, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a raw deal if you ask me.

I’m the first to admit, I don’t know the first thing about MLB contracts or the radio / TV business, but to me it seems like such an asanine policy. Same with darkout policy’s, game of the week, NFL only having it’s choices on DirecTV and not cable, etc.. If I was running a major sport, I would try to reach as many fans as possible, and get them the game they want to see or hear in any form possible, but then again that’s probably why I don’t run a professional sports league.

Luckily my cell phone gets decent service, just paid the 7 bucks and can listen through my phone, not even worth complaining about really. But, for the guy who just listens to the score, is he going to waste money on something that isn’t that important to him? The missed advertising from the Score from all the people who aren’t willing to pay for the service would seem to outweigh the 7 dollars from the die hard fans who are willing to pay to hear their team play. It’s not like it’s an extra cost to MLB or the Score, they are already streaming anyways, it’s just the flip of a switch.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 2, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sodfather earning his playoff share
The Sox have no explanation why they were so bad on artificial turf this season, coming into the ALDS with a 4-16 record, but one thing should be different at home.

Twins players were not thrilled with the fact the dirt around home plate was ‘’very wet’’ during their game Tuesday, hindering bunting — and the Rays, another small-ball team, likely can expect the same.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball's great like that

I’m slowly making my way through The Cheaters’ Guide to Baseball and I believe Bossard’s dad (at the old Cleveland place, I want to say) used to get advice from the Indians on the opposing pitchers likes/dislikes as far as where he liked to throw from and his landing spot, and Bossard would do his best to make certain that the mound was exactly how the opposing pitcher didn’t want it.

Home field advantage, baby.

by CWSKeith on Oct 2, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good book.

Ceterum censeo Minneainem esse delendam.

by thecip on Oct 2, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

man

there’s nothing that fucked with me more than a weird mound (other than rain). that’s just mean.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope the Sox can pull a rabbit out of their hats

and steal at least one on the road. Clinchers are so much more fun at home!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Oct 2, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dayum! that thing could eat my 20-lb cat!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball Analysts Position-by-Position Preview and Prediction

For example:

Catcher:
After an unlucky and injury plagued 2007 Dioner Navarro showed some of the promise that made him one of the top catching prospects for the New York Yankees way back when. Navarro is a switch-hitter with occasional home run power who does not walk or strikeout all too much but seems to have a fair grip on the strike zone. Defensively Navarro features a strong and accurate arm and decent blocking ability.

A.J. Pierzynski had another solid offensive season. He doesn’t walk but he also does not strike out too much. The White Sox catcher has 28 games of playoff experience and has .287/.351/.529. Defensively, Pierzynski is nothing special but calls a nice game. His arm won’t instill fear in many base runners.

R.J. says: Navarro all day.

Marc says: Navarro probably has an edge defensively, but I’d call it a draw offensively.

More here:

http://baseballanalysts.com/

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I found their position by position analysis a bit brutal

but overall I enjoyed that. One guy picking Rays in 5, the other picking us in 4. I’ll take that.

by Crede's Crew on Oct 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

better than that unclutch piece of shit thome.

has that guy ever come through in a big game situation? i mean, what a dumb fucking trade.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sheesh. no love.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another load of crap...

No pressure on the Sox. Very few people (outside of this blog) expect the Sox to win…

"People call me the Danks man; I'm the stylish one of the group... I nick named my testes - my left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater. You Twinkies play your cards right you just might get to meet the whole gang."

by thekever on Oct 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same people that picked them to be 4th in the division?

I hope Mike Golic picked the Rays…so far he’s been a great good luck charm.

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Oct 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Golic picked the Twins on Tuesday, right?

"Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. "

by thekever on Oct 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...what a blow hard

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

javy!!!!!! you don't have to use all of your pitches today

go with what’s working and shut their asses down!!!!!!!

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We need a good 5-6 is all.

Pen seems to be comin’ around in the nick of time. (Though the last time I saw Matty in The Trop is was walking off the mound after giving up a walkoff dinger in the 10th. And Dotel was not far behind. Shudder. Need to exorcise some demons.)

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strikes. No fucking walks.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Period.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 2, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BP still hates the white sox; nate silver likely a communist.
Prediction

With the White Sox missing Quentin and Crede, the Rays are simply the better baseball club. Their principal vulnerability is their comparative weakness against left-handed pitching, but they hedge against that well by having Scott Kazmir lined up to duel Mark Buehrle. I expect the Sox to make a series of it—especially if they can steal Game One, which would seem to present the most favorable matchup for the Rays on paper (home game against a righty). But the percentage play is Rays in five.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8150

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir has been smoked recently (last game). And no props for our playoff experience, eh?

Eff NS, eff KL, eff BP, eff Rob effin Neyer. This has 2005 written all over it. I’m all in. Us against the world. The Chicago Way.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nate had a pretty great smackdown of some fellow poll miners on 538 today

he’s en fuego.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could at least get Clayton Richard's name right

I realize he’s not exactly a cornerstone of the pen, but sheesh.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read it.

Yeah, our bullpen weak link sure looks to be Jenks! Now that he’s back up to 98-99 on the gun I especially shudder every time the 30-out-of-33 saves guy takes the hill.

NS can kiss my OPOS ass. Sox Hater! F-stick.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Silver is one of the more "Sox friendly" (if there is such a thing) writers on BP

although I’m not sure if he has a declared allegiance to any one specific team I know he grew up a Tigers fan but as a UofC guy I’m sure he was pretty engulfed in 90s White Sox baseball.

by CWSKeith on Oct 2, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, "at least" that.

the program they have for links to player profiles in articles is spotty sometimes.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOX-Rays

Let’s hope we can steal game one. I’m frankly not confident in Javier. however, he has had two bad starts and maybe he will turn it around. If he does, I believe we can win the series.

by Alan Snipes on Oct 2, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for those of you looking ahead to the offseason,

free agent compensation update. obviously won’t know for sure until the “real” elias rankings come out but:

juan uribe looks like he managed to hold onto type B status.
orlando had no trouble handily maintaining his type A.
griffey also held onto type B.
crede could not hold onto type B since he did not play much.
no other sox free agents appear to provide compensation.

for those wanting to evaluate the garland trade, jon tried mightily to cough up his type B status but appears to have just held on. once again, KW traded a pitcher right on time.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No the Garland trade was the worst trade known to man

Right after the Garcia and McCarthy ones.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we certainly wouldn't have had to suffer through cabrera's atrocious defense.

or watch that putz gavin floyd pitch.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will admit, I was at a bulls game when the news broke about McCarthy

I was fucking livid when I heard from a friend via text message.

That said, I didn’t know who we got or how good they’d be. Thank God for Kenny!

by Crede's Crew on Oct 2, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how long do you think KW will be able to find a sucker for his dead/dying pitchers?

there are 30 clubs i suppose and he’s bound to be wrong one of these times, i guess. how exactly does the market respond to things like this? schuerholz was always able to deal up until the end, so little to no response?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask me if we can get the Mets to take a hobbled Jose off out hands!

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"can we get the Mets to take a hobbled Jose off our hands?"

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, you sure confirmed your earlier post quite quickly.

well i’m screwed up and down then

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what now?

i think i missed something. you’re quoting me for some reason.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think the angels were really suckers.

they traded from a position of strength to get some insurance for their starting rotation. garland may not have been quite as good as in the past but it was kind of a luxury move.

at any rate, every GM thinks he’s smarter than every other GM. i doubt much will change.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looked to be an even trade based on need.

We got more value out of it. Hat-tip to KW, and we move on. As will Cabrera. Every now and again a gunslinger is an appropriate hire.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

need yes but the 2 draft picks?

Strong lean Sox favor.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed wholeheartedly. Did not focus on the picks.

We trade them away, anyhow. ;)

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even better

those 2 prospects that never pan out can net us aging superstars in the future

super win

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 2, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Cheat!

You’ve RUINED all HOPE I was able to squeeze from my the bottom of my SOUL with your incorrigable POSITIVITY! I hope you enjoy sitting your parent’s freezing cold basement all winter, thinking about how you karmically FUCKED the ‘08 White Sox!! I’m thinking about calling back into work after reading this.

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it's positivity they wanted....

Cheat should’ve had WU, Mr. (HIV) Positivity himself, write the damn thing!

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Oct 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 more reasons the Sox will beat the Rays

1. No Boone Logan
2. No Mike McDougal
3. No Horatio Suckbad

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Oct 2, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

horatio suckbad

killin me

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 2, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

official rosters, no surprised from earlier leaks.

rays

The roster includes 10 pitchers and 15 position players.

The starting pitchers will be James Shields, Scott Kazmir, Matt Garza and Andy Sonnanstine.

Relievers include Grant Balfour, Chad Bradford, J.P. Howell, Trever Miller, David Price and Dan Wheeler.

The position players are as follows: catchers — Dioner Navarro and Michel Hernandez; infielders — Willy Aybar, Jason Bartlett, Akinori Iwamura, Evan Longoria, Carlos Pena, and Ben Zobrist; outfielders — Rocco Baldelli, Carl Crawford, Gabe Gross, Eric Hinske, Fernando Perez, and B.J. Upton; and DH — Cliff Floyd.

Notable names not on the roster included closer Troy Percival, reliever Jason Hammel, starter Edwin Jackson, and outfielder Jonny Gomes.

sox

The White Sox roster includes 11 pitchers, seven infielders, five outfielders and two catchers:

• LHP Mark Buehrle, RHP D.J. Carrasco, LHP John Danks, RHP Octavio Dotel, RHP Gavin Floyd, RHP Bobby Jenks, RHP Scott Linebrink, LHP Clayton Richard, RHP Adam Russell, LHP Matt Thornton and RHP Javier Vazquez.

• INF Orlando Cabrera, Josh Fields, Paul Konerko, Alexei Ramirez, Nick Swisher, Jim Thome and Juan Uribe.

• OF Brian Anderson, Jermaine Dye, Ken Griffey Jr., Jerry Owens and DeWayne Wise.

• C Toby Hall and A.J. Pierzynski.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Ozzie

please use Nick Swisher.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Tdogg

No.

Love, Ozzie

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Griffey will have to stike out eight times today for that to happen. At least eight.

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Oct 2, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I'll be happy if Ozzie is willing to give Swisher is another shot in 2009

I think Swish is essentially Konerko’s defensive replacement for however many games are left, and that’s it.

by hitlesswonder on Oct 2, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh -- hasn't Ozzie been pretty good (for the most part) about not starting Griffey versus lefties?

Now, bringing in a LOOGY to face Griffey has been another story, but based on the splits alone (over his career righties hit Kazmir better for almost .200 OPS points), it’s tough for me to see Swisher not starting for either Wise or Griffey tomorrow (if not both, with a Swisher-Anderson-Dye OF).

by CWSKeith on Oct 2, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey is actually hitting fairly well lately.

Shields is a righty. Griffey is a great story. Swisher has talked better than he’s hit all year. Griffey starts. End of story.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But I think we’ll see a Wise – Griffey OF for the duration of the series.

by hitlesswonder on Oct 2, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly dont mind Griffrey as much right now.

Just get him out late. But I think he might provide a needed homer or two.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doubt you'll see wise against kazmir.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know Ozzie likes his streaks

Well Mr Wise’s is “over”

.143/.234/.286 last 14 days.

If they both suck give me the dude that might actually hit it out of the park.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wise?

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Oct 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm blood hungry

I am so happy I don’t work today and really wish it was game time today

by Option27 on Oct 2, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

12:40 EST.

Going to lunch. Better be a GD Gamethread when I return. Or I’m crackin’ skulls!

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Verducci can suck it

Link

Speaking of matchups, the Rays ought to be happy the White Sox won the AL Central. Chicago is an unathletic team that is awful on turf: 3-16 this year. The disparity in outfield defense alone between these two teams is alarming. Overall, Tampa Bay was the most efficient defensive team in the league; the Sox were eighth. If the Rays can simply keep the ball in the park against the Sox’s slow-pitch softball lineup, they should take care of business at home.

by Option27 on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And keeping the ball in the park is clearly easy.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

Il faut d’abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly this team can't hit home runs in must-win situations

So unclutch.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's right, even if he is a jackass

I agree defense is important, so I agree with premise: Sox = bad defense, contact pitching team, bad on turf and Rays = good defense. So fine, the rays have a significant advantage there.

But when did the media decide home runs suck? I’m tired of reading about the Sox “softball lineup” in a dismissive manner. At this point, I think a good showing by the Sox will strike a blow for traditional baseball, in the Earl Weaver sense. Good pitching and home runs — that’s what I want to see (preferably from the Sox).

by hitlesswonder on Oct 2, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the love affair with manufacture runs

and the perceived notion that is what wins championships. The defensive advantage is great but might not mean much if the shit is over their heads.

More importantly if the game is tight the Sox do have a few players that our capable of running in pinch run roles. Early in the game different story. 4 hits to score a run? JRE wet dream.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

Il faut d’abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-16.

Only series win in a dome was in Tampa.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Oct 2, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what i'd really love to hear

is how actually relevant that is.

the dome teams were all above .500 and those teams won at home at nearly a 65% clip. if the average expectation is to win 35% of the time, 20% isn’t that far off.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I think is relevant

Is that a big chunk of the population on the FL gulf coast is Chicago transplants/retirees. As few season tickets as they sell, most of the fans will be single game sales. That stadium is going half-full of rockin Sox fans, if we get an early lead it’ll be fun.

you're full of shit and you’re old. how do you plead?

by ChicagoPete on Oct 2, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough. The last game I attended when the Sox were playing there (6/1) had its share of Sox fans.

But when Gross hit the walk-off it was deafening, even for me, who has hearing this side of Pete Townshend. It won’t be a “Raysout” (like our "blackout") but they will be representing.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

afternoon game.

old people should be able to make it back home before dark.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow night, though,

we’ll have to be Chicago Tough in walking back to the hotel and avoid the St. Pete ruffians. Glad you know how to handle your $h!t.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn right i know how to handle myself.

run for my life and let them take you.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUO update

i think i broke my spreadsheet. dude. fuckinaye.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You might want to get some ointment for that.

Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.

by vince_ on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

please don't take it out on me. :(

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't play that way yo

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heeheheeehee.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Javy Dent!!!!!!!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't believe in him.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 2, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nor do I. boooo.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 2, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

player profile: alexei
Ramirez ranked 26th amongst second basemen in the Dewan +/- fielding system, with a -8, in other words deeming him eight plays worse than an average keystoner. He exceeded expectations on balls hit in the air, making five more plays than he “should” have, while making thirteen less plays than expected on the ground. Getting into a bit more detail, balls in the vicinity of straight on were no problem for the rookie, but he had trouble ranging to his left and even more trouble to his right. On balls hit to his left, Ramirez made six fewer plays than an average second baseman, and ten less plays than average on balls hit to his right. For reference, Dan Uggla in 2007 had a -15 to his left and a -7 to his right. Ramirez was not that poor, but he wasn’t a whole heck of a lot better.

On the basepaths, he scored a -1, earning a +4 for his actual base advancements, but a -5 for having 13 steals but being caught nine times. Ramirez made it from first to third in 43 percent of his opportunities, and scored from second on 42 percent of his opportunities. While the somewhat low percentage of going first to third is not awful—Utley, who is considered a great baserunner, had just a 43 percent success rate, and Asdrubal Cabrera checked in at 54 percent—the rate of scoring from second could be higher. For comparison’s sake, both Utley and Cabrera scored from second base over 70 percent of the time. One interesting note, though, is the lack of opportunity for Ramirez to make these advancements, which is one reason to take this year’s results with a grain of salt. The hitters backing him either did not hit the ball hard enough, or at all, for him to garner a truly significant amount of opportunities. For all we know he could have exhibited better baserunning skills with more chances and different circumstances.

He may have had a below-average year with the glove and an approximately break-even year on the basepaths, and he will need to improve his plate discipline, but Ramirez still had a very solid rookie season as the keystone cornerman for the AL Central champion White Sox. After his slugging exploits, you can bet that he’ll draw plenty of attention in the ALDS against the Rays.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8152

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

Does any of that Left-Right weakness indicate concern for a move to SS? Or would that be apples to oranges (2B/SS)?

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's mechanical

He’s having a lot of those balls he ranges for go right under his glove. They’ve either got to work on him getting down more, or teach him that it’s OK to get the uniform dirty

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Oct 2, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thx

Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.

by Chiburb on Oct 2, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was not allowed to wash his uni in Cuba - cost too much.

We already know, Che is a lousy fielder with a great arm, can’t run the bases, etc. At least they mentioned the historic “slugging exploits”.

BP can kiss my ass, too. Why not talk about his unbelievable avg. with bags juiced? Huh? Or marked improvement from Day 1 in making contact, and hitting it hard? His first month he was getting sawed off all the time, blooping hits in. Now he’s hitting the ball solidly. He’s almost all growed up.

Fer Chrissakes.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they did talk about it.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Much easier to spew than to fact-check. Now I feel exposed. Prick.)

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm an asshole. don't forget it.

the sox out-talled their opponent.

by larry on Oct 2, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pete won't let me.

No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5

by winningugly on Oct 2, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Headed to Morgan's

Go Sox.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

Il faut d’abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Tdogg on Oct 2, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Q! has forsaken me

Exam tomorrow, I have to follow a fucking playoff game on Gameday like it’s a June affair with the Royals. I believe in this team, Tropicana is not the Terrordome, and I refuse to believe that a team with less than 15,000 actual fans can win a World Series (blocking Marlins’ victories in 97’ and 03’ to make point valid.)

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 2, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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