The Free Agent Market: Second Base

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 1:15 PM CDT Comment 169 comments

'Tis an interesting situation for the Sox, as they may be most able to secure this position in house. Chris Getz is well known to SSSers at this point, or at least enough to become the end game for a season-long bet. Nonetheless, it's worth it to point out at minimum what it appears he can and cannot do. His career line, a gritty 286/.361/.381, suggests he slides into second head first and loves the taste of dirt. He can hit line drives, steal the occasional base and is in general "fundamentally sound." I have the impression that he can play second fairly well. He played for Rich Maloney at Michigan and I've seen them play. He stresses defense; getting groundballs from his pitchers and fielding groundballs efficiently. Which is pretty astute really. Michigan in the spring is not conducive to a lot of balls in the air. Anyway, let's look at this:

via www.baseballprospectus.com

Obviously not a lot of upside there, but it looks like Getz is getting the most out of it and will probably be above replacement level at 2B for a couple years. He'll basically be our version of Ryan Theriot or Mike Fontenot. If he hits enough line drives, he'll be able to get some walks and be pretty valuable. If he can't, we're going to have a tough time at second base.

On that note, I really want to advocate resigning Juan Uribe (and when it comes up: his blonder honey lovin twin in the OF) if at all possible. Being able to play above average defense across three positions and adding pop makes for a decent safety net for the hardest positions on the infield. And it isn't hard at all to envision Uribe outplaying Getz. I think avoiding total suck at any one position all year (well, maybe not at 1B...) was part of what kept the '08 Sox afloat and I think it does so for most good teams. Avoid below replacement play. That makes sense.

Even if we let go of Uribe, there is a strong possibility that Getz will be pretty decent so in order for Kenny to buy here, we need to be getting a definitive improvement over the likely 5-15 VORP Getz (or a Getz/Uribe platoon) will provide. Further, Gordon Beckham has an ETA of 2010, at which point he and Alexei would likely be the double play combo. There is the possibility that Alexei moves to center, Beckham to short. That would free up second base for a longer term contract, but I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense. You don't want to block a cheaper and potentially superior alternative for the sake of having 2009 certainty.

This set of circumstances would seem to point in a pretty obvious direction.

For starters, there are a number of established keystoners who have Getz's skillset, like Mark Grudzielanek, Jamey Carroll and Mark Loretta. For a couple million, they offer more certainty that you'll get what you'll probably get from Getz. And I honestly expect that Getz would be more likely to give the better defensive performance considering the age gap.

Then there's Orlando Hudson who, coming off a .300/.367/.450 campaign, is looking to get paid. Maybe Kenny is as into Hudson as Joe Cowley, but I don't see how it makes a whole lot of sense given the existence of Alexei, Beckham and Getz. Especially since Hudson's numbers come wrapped in caution tape. He's done his work in the least division in the lesser league in a ballpark that greatly inflates offense.

There's some serious age gravity at work here. Hudson is going to be fighting his years from here on out and I don't really think anyone sees him taking the Hall of Very Good Path his 90th percentile tracks. If you don't buy his upside, then making him a long term centerpiece for your franchise doesn't make a ton of sense. Because then odds are decent that Chris Getz and Orlando Hudson are functionally equivalent. Likewise is the case for Grim Reaper Discounts like Ray Durham and Jeff Kent.

So who's left? Mark Ellis. He's recently put to rest a terrible campaign that is pretty much totally encapsulated in the bizarre .186/.321 BABIP home/away split he posted this year. He scratched out a .233/.321/.373 line in a year when he was playing for a new contract. But there was basically no movement in his peripherals. 10.7% BB/PA to a career 8.9%, 14.7% K/PA to career 15.5% and a .140 ISO to a career .142. I expect he'll bounce back pretty well, especially if given the chance to hit at US Cellular. On top of that, his defense is well liked by UZR and should be an asset at second while Alexei mangles short. Since you saw the other two, here's Ellis' graph:

According to PECOTA, Ellis has pretty real upside if you buy that his true talent hasn't actually changed. In addition to a solid backup in Getz and Uribe to plug holes, that's a solid middle infield. At present he's projected by that Tigers blog to be a B-level comp. If he rebounds in '09, he should manage the same status again (I think.). I also like that he's right handed if he's replacing The OC in the lineup. Losing Cabrera and picking up Ellis should be a net positive effect on the offense and could be a significant one, 20+ points of OBP and SLG. Stick him in the Bat Handler spot after Swish and we might have some base runners for Q! to knock in next year.

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I like Ellis

but he’ll be a wanted commodity, not including Oakland. And is he really better than Grudzy for a stop-gap? If we re-sign Uribe and add a veteran, I think that would actually be a great idea. It would give Fields and Getz a chance to play their way in, or just get cut.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 13, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i have already advocated the idea of a one year stopgap type. and i agree with your post overall.

the FA market for 2Bs of the ilk the sox should be looking at is rather abundant. i’m not sure i see the need to pay anything other than money for one.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know this is mostly guess-work...

but any ideas as to what Ellis will be looking at and/or will get, taking everything into consideration (down year, somewhat up there in age, not the top player at his position)? If you can get him on a two-year deal — something like 2/$12, I think that’d be pretty nice. If Alexei is really pegged to be the incumbent SS until Beckham’s hair arrives, defense (as you alluded to) should be valued highest for whoever is taking over 2B next season.

Also, can you explain what the different lines mean in the charts? Is the red line the mean projection with the blue lines being various percentiles (above or below)?

by CWSKeith on Oct 13, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

three or four years at $7M or so per

is probably what he’ll be looking for.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

forgot about his shoulder surgery.

silly me. that probably knocks him down some. i think the As will re-sign him anyway. they’re more likely to get the 2 year discount deal than anyone on the open market.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that the As will probably get something done with Ellis, but I have no idea why

They’ve acquired a lot of 2B bodies (Patterson, who’s his face, what’s his name, too lazy to actually look it up, etc.) and I’m not sure what they plan to do with all of them. Any thoughts?

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Death Rabbits

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 13, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not a bad idea

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we need some of them for our goon squad dude

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 13, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

done

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 14, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly right on the charts Keith

and if it isn’t clear, I’m not advocating anything more than a stopgap, of which I think Mark Ellis is the best option among them. paying a player cost at this position doesn’t make a ton of sense when the Sox think Beckham will be ready by July and already have Getz and Alexei. there’s a 2B/SS combo in there somewhere that doesn’t totally suck.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"when the Sox think Beckham will be ready by July"

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is that not what i read?

somewhere?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you usually believe everything you read

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so asking for some critical thinking is too much, huh.

after reading the incessant postings about aaron poreda’s arm likely to explode and orlando cabrera being a terrible defender, i guess i shouldn’t be surprised.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

at least when my logic fails me

i’m not a dick to those who like me.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm being a dick, huh.

you’re very touchy to criticism and apparently don’t read my posts enough if you set the bar so low for my dickish behavior. i think people on here know when i’m being a dick and this is not it. you should think before you post. you’re smart enough to discern the difference between rumor, opinion, and fact and you should treat each as such.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he also doesn't realize that

from time to time, you will post articles from BP. So no, he doesn’t read your posts enough.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 13, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm just sick of being condescended to.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

awww, is the little baby going to cry?

/said extremely condescendingly.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

did you get bullied at School?

regards

marching on together

by hoodlight on Oct 13, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

another amateur psychologist, huh.

board is filled with them, i guess. what caused you to commit repeated acts of criminal fraud? daddy fuck you in your ass?

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

did you get bullied at School?

regards

marching on together

by hoodlight on Oct 14, 2008 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't know what that was until I read the image location

that’s not what I expected them to look like

by 3E8 on Oct 13, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is it?

by The Scoper on Oct 14, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any chance Kenny tries to make a run at the tantalizing Brian Roberts?

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 13, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The O's probably would want Floyd or Danks for him

So, probably not.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Oct 13, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really, for a guy that's almost 32?

That’s steep as hell.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 13, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you think...

he’s still on the Orioles?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 13, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think there's much point

since he’s become a bad fielder there

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What if we were to keep Alexei at 2B

He proved to be a competent defensive second basemen. If you rank 2B defensive win shares/games played at the position, he’s near the top for both leagues. We didn’t have much luck testing back disc problems this year, but Furcal would be a risk/reward type signing that could give us a higher contact rate/on-base percentage at the top of the order (although he wants to stay with the Dodgers)

by 3E8 on Oct 13, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he got a red light from Will Carroll before the year for his back

and legs and then ended up hurting his back which, i’m pretty sure, makes that likelihood even higher that he will sustain a back injury. we just went through this with Joe and we have a great training staff and he hasn’t played 150 games since 2006. to bet on that, you better be getting some good odds.

2009 might be the year to play that kind of game though, with so much injury risk already on the team, if you can get enough overlapping sets of games from the injury risks, you get a 92 win season? That may have been what Kenny was going for in 2007, but if so he made a number of ugly bets. It’s interesting, though, how Kenny seems to try to specifically take advantage of Cooper and Herm, playing injury risks and wild arms knowing you’ve got guys who will get you more than most out of those quantities.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BJ Upton is just so gosh darn lazy

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 13, 2008 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if he wasn't such a lollygagger, that would have been a grand slam ;)

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that Evan Longoria, there's a hardworking upstanding American

A maverick, scoring runs when there isn’t even anyone on base! Lazy Upton has to have 2 people on the paths before he can drive in some runs.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about a one year stop gap at SS and leave the missile at 2nd?

Not that I know of any appealing options for SS, but I’d probably prefer to leave the missile at 2B. I feel he’s competent enough there but fear moving him to a harder position.

by madvillian on Oct 13, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yuck, what a shitty list of FA SS

How is Ramon Vazquez’s defense? Seems like he might be a decent bet with the bat to beat O Cab’s production from 2008.

by madvillian on Oct 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NM, on second though Vasquez looks like Juan Uribe with less power and more patience

not the kinda guy you want as your starting SS.

by madvillian on Oct 13, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2Bs are cheaper and more abundant this year.

your concern about his abilities at SS is certainly salient but i’d rather save the cash and see if he can handle the position considering the options.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

furcal...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does Getz have what it takes to lead off?

career .361 obp in the minors. 72% lifetime steal percentage… we have 3 open positions to add a true lead off hitter. We also need a #2 hitter than can bunt.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i had been positing the idea that the sox sign ray durham to a 2 year deal.

his obp skills are still solid, and he’s solid offensively on the whole. i can’t speak to his defense, though i’m sure at his age it’s questionable at best. but all things considered i figured he’d be looking for about 2 years to round out his career, and he might like to end it where it began. i suppose i might hesitate to sign him if the sox think beckham could be close to mlb-ready. i had been kicking this around when beckham looked like a potential late 2010 arrival. seems like talk now has an earlier eta for him.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that defense could be scary bad.

fields, ramirez, durham, paulie? i think the sox need someone who can actually field his position competently somewhere on the diamond. i’m not sure durham’s bat covers for his defense any longer.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking similiar as well

A double play combo of Ramirez Durham could be very bad, and is unlikely to be anything better than average.

Ramirez’ arm is going to have to carry him at SS IMO, I didn’t see too much range from him at 2B. But we’ll see.

by madvillian on Oct 13, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

picture that defense on turf. i'd almost like to see that, but not for the team i root for.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

here is to hoping fields is not in that equation

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 13, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So much for Lester being the 2nd coming...

Skip Bayless, wrong again.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 13, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

so colin, you're suggesting ellis?

i would be more than satisfied with getz if he could give the sox solid defense and a theriot/fontenot-esque obp. i just figured that might be a best case scenario with him. if he could do that while being paid the minimum, i think the sox might be better off allocating their funds towards other positions.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i think you still have to account for scenarios where getz is a dud

the precise proportion of dud/total determines how much you spend here.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...go on...

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh...

if you believe the chances of Getz being a 15 VORP 2B are like 70% or something good like that and let’s say you know he’s +5 runs on defense, then you have to make sure you’re cool if that 3 in 10 chance comes by. Ellis is probably +5-10 runs on defense and half the time he’s at 25 VORP if you believe last year was a luck problem. On average that’s about 5 runs difference, which I think is like 1/2 win. So however you define Getz’s chances (well, and Ellis, but he’s a far more knowable quantity) determines the win difference and that difference compared to the offer sheet and some known win/dollar metric (BP has MORP, iirc) and see if it makes sense.

In that particular scenario, if Getz is that good, he should be a lock to play second next year.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was expecting you to give an opinion. i know how to go about making a decision, i was just wondering what yours was.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

flagged

condescending.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was condescending? fuck. i might need to look that word up.

i just thought he might like to make a suggestion based on his opinions. if the conclusion of his piece is simply ‘go with getz if you think he’s good, but sign someone if you think he’s not’, then i’m not sure that this is an opinion piece at all.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't act like you're smarter than him, condescender.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

these god damned liberal college kids with their frisbees and their poems. make a fucking decision.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're late. i was fighting this battle seven and a half hours ago.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like getz enough to make sure he has a platoon partner if necessary

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha ha. more qualifying please.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what's qualified about that?

there’s a good chance he won’t be able to hit well enough in MLB, so someone who could spell him against tough lefties or fill in adequately if it turns out he’s no good would fill that gap. RHB second basemen that can hit for average and draw a few walks were mentioned above and there isn’t a huge difference between them.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wishy-washy.

get a fucking job, you dirty pot smoking hippie.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

whoa now

coke’s back in, didn’t you hear?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah.

and you’ll need a job to pay for it. take a shower.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not for much longer. Too expensive.

Need to get back to “grass” roots mind-altering substances.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i guess the sentence structure got me there.

you meant definitely get him a potential platoon partner, just in case he needs it.
not get him a platoon partner if he needs it.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

flagged for waivering

"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"

by Illini0509 on Oct 14, 2008 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've given a lot of thought to the subject.

I’ve concluded that the best idea is to pick up a second basemen on a one-year deal. No Orlando Hudson. No Rafael Furcal. I know they want speed, but they have to keep their eye on the big picture… rumor is they want to move Beckham to third now. This would be admitting that Fields has busted and moving on, which would piss me off a lot, for one. The kid has big time power, you don’t just throw that away. I could understand if they gave up on Anderson, trade him for another bust because it’s been 3 years and the guy has not found a rhythm.

Ellis would be best case scenario, but he’ll probably need multiple years, so maybe Grudzielanek(or Durham? He may want multiple too.) This leaves 2 young guys, 2 one-year veterans and hopefully a guy who adjusts to the league after they adjust to him to compete for 3 spots. I say that because there is going to be a lot of people looking at Missile’s tendencies over the next 6 months.

And everyone seems to think one of the sluggers are going

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 13, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i agree and i hoped ellis would take a look at that awful line and see if he didn't want to go one year

and try again.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

even andruw jones got two...

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm cool with 2, actually

especially since our infield should be flush with cheap contracts in Alexei, Getz and Beckham. Can we commit to both Uribe and Ellis as utility players in 2010 if necessary? Ellis would probably be a valuable-ish commodity if he plays well.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ellis was another "unlucky" guy from '08

LD% > 20
BABIP < .250

by 3E8 on Oct 13, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't expect to see Juan next year

He’s going to want to play full time and the Sox won’t make that kind of commitment. If they do, he’ll be at third. Now speaking of him at third – it seemed to me his range greatly decreased as the year went on – whether age is catching up, or the the buffet is slowing him down… I don’t know.

I would be fine if Beckham can be fast tracked to third… my understanding was his SS range was not viewed as going to be MLB quality and that he would either end up at 2nd or third anyways.

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Oct 13, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i really don't understand why everyone wants to move beckham, especially to 3rd.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think beckham could be a plus defender at 1B.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With Thome aging and likely gone in 2010, DH makes the most sense for Beckham

It would inject some athleticism into the cleanup position

by hitlesswonder on Oct 13, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're right.

he could also be a plus defender at DH. don’t know why i didn’t think of that.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how long are the sox gonna wait till they see if he can adapt to left field?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're just smarter than everyone tonight, huh.

let’s just short circuit this whole thing: KW is a moron. colin is a moron. call it a night, MM.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

before i head to bed, i would also just like to say that the dow up 1000 today was a total fucking joke.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry.

the market is a moron, too. sweet dreams.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good night.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think folks are just working with hearsay

i have, obviously.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think you mean heresy.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow.

sigh.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm the resident SSS fielding expert, dope. and i say

we should see if he can handle short center. i think that’s a good compromise between those who think he can play short and those who think he should move to second.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think chicago pete would have something to say about your title as fielding expert...

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if by 'say' you mean 'post random graph from two seasons ago'

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seconded.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

proof

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think i see barry bonds

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

[insert condescending remark]

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that means the drugs are kicking in.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you needn't say more. finally somebody succinctly sums up exactly what the sox need to do.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

flagged

pretending like he knows what i’m talking about when he’s clearly too dumb.

by larry on Oct 13, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know what anyone is talking about, but i'm sure that you're all idiots. today was a failure.

everyone fucked up, and i’m the only one who realized it. i will be paid accordingly tomorrow.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

today was definitely a failure

we need to come back strong tomorrow….tits and ass time

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 13, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the thing is

the A’s don’t care how bad he was last year

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 13, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah they know what he is

it’s just a matter of whether or not he’s worth it. they’re pretty flush with potential keystoners in that system and it’s always cheaper to play Patterson or whomever than it is Ellis.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

beane is really loathe to cut ties with his players, tho. hehe.

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RS Nation in mourning tonight.

My 2nd fave team is a juggernaut. Loved the crushing of BoSux tonight and the way they did it. Crushed!

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 13, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

youuu.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice.

Self-portrait?

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 13, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wish. it was one of those $5 caricature things at the carnival. dude managed to hide my crippled right hand and conceal my identity.

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet the "red" is accurate,

SF bastard that you are now. Enjoy the wealth redistribution that will be happening beginning 11/5. May as well start giving the homeless your paycheck now.

(Flagged for the TRUTH.)

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 13, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd for being something Bill O'Reilly would say

OPOS

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i already give them urine-soaked bread and dog shit dumplings. i've done my part.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those were dog shit dumplings?

You fucking bastard! You told me they were pork!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like you even gave a damn, crackhead! admit it! you loved those little turd dumplings!!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, truth be told..they were a bit tasty

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 13, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's because toonder mixes it with love and makes the world go 'round.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hsa is right...

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh my. I was thinking more along these lines, candyman.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

flagged.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think you can do that to yourself.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why are we the only ones still talking?????

see how i replied to you again, and not myself this time?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

perhaps my poo poo picture is grossing everyone else out as much as it is me.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's the truth, ruth.

well, at least colin’s post is racking up the comment count.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i tell you that every single time. you r dumm.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Enjoy the wealth redistribution that will be happening beginning 11/5

11/5? Haven’t chairman george and comrade richard started the march to socialism already?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 14, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes. YES!!!

George and Richard, though, are done. It’s King Hank and Chairman Ben.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you like dune buggies?

Sure you do! Everybody likes dune buggies!

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Oct 13, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Colin, I was saving this for when I got home from work, so I could take the necessary time with it, and, point is, I enjoyed this, thanks for writing something.

(bally mumbles something about spotty BUOs)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

moar commas plz. kthxbai!

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm over the whole end of sentences thing. sawry!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dammit, i just ended that one. haha! you got me!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here I am fulfilling my baseball discussion quota for this thread, since now I'm all insecure about my lardiness:, heh heh heh

I like Getz.
I want to see Getz get good with us.

Fuck Hudson and Ellis.
meh and meh.

This means absolutely nothing to any of you, but that’s what I think.

regards

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that's right. shit AFTER the colon. it's how i do things.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

be careful. you're getting thisclose to infringing on colin's replying to his own posts thing.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you ever not speak in "lawyer?"

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

about as often as you don't speak in "port slut." so i guess the answer is no.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

stop talking to yourself ;)

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 13, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

btw, should i play brandon lloyd in fantasy football next week?

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

piss up a rope.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

trying to impress rhythm by dropping a ween reference, huh? your service must not have been so good his last appt.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you read right through me.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

his mom spoke portslut

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

almost. there are some subtle differences between portslut and suburbanslut.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah, yes, you are correct. i am fluent in both. the latter helps on the rare occasion that i have to deal with wives. usually those bitches scream in such a way that i'd swear they weren't speaking anything at all besides demonic crazywife!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 13, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

when confronted with a liberated woman, they scream in terror

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

play him and marty booker

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 13, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

JOE TORREY IS a BFICKHEAD>

PLAYIN PIERE OVER KEMP. MUST HAVE ASKED OZZIE FOR HELP MAKING OUT LINEUP BUT I DONT KNOW HOW HE COULD OF UNDERSTOOD WHAT OZZIE WAS SAYING.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

certified dumbass

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 14, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

toonder and hsa just killed vaudeville

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i thought cheat paid you based on comments to your posts. last time i try to do you a favor.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he doesn't need your charity

look at the main page now. it’s clearly by word and picture count above the fold.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Oct 13, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's comments i make on my own posts

get it right.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 13, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was the talking pictures.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Oct 13, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

play me off, johnny!

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good lord, how am i going to get around these tax hikes?

fucking bastards.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

stop working. they can't tax what you ain't make.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 13, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but i all i do is cash checks and have sex.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think i've got a new sig. complete without the typo, too.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 13, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sell plasma

they don’t tax that

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 14, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The taxes! The finger thing means the taxes!

“come onnnnnnnn”

by CWSKeith on Oct 13, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd because I like that episode

“The PTA disbanded, OMG!!!”

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 13, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really like Getz

If he could step in and be a solid regular, I’d be happy with that. Just someone who got on base and minimized mistakes.

With that said, Orlando Hudson does amuse me.

MrROFL.com

by shaftr on Oct 13, 2008 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Flagged for racism

Orlando Hudson amuses you? Orlando Hudson amuses you? So what, you think this is some kind of fucking joke?!?!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 14, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good job, keep it up.

on to 3rd.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 14, 2008 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

good job, colin.

not you other slackers.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 14, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

very good colin, very good

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 14, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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