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Profiling the Prospects

It's easy for Sox fans to point to the Lance Broadway pick and mark the '05 draft as a failure, but a closer inspection reveals a number of players who could be classified as Top Prospects despite their lower-profile draft position. Unfortunately for the Sox, the '05 draft's Top Prospects now reside in other farm systems; Daniel Cortes (7th round) is the Royals top pitching prospect, with Chris Carter (15th) and Aaron Cunningham (6th) give the A's a couple extra Top 50 prospects via Arizona. But even with Broadway tucked away in the Suspects section of our classification system, we've still got a few names you'll recognize from the '05 draft here among the Plain Ol' Prospects.

Continue our look at the Sox prospects after the jump.

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Plain Ol' Prospects

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Clayton Richard -- Richard was an 8th round pick from the University of Michigan out of that '05 draft. He was a prized football recruit as a quarterback coming out of HS in Indiana, and spent more time at Michigan on the football sidelines holding a clipboard than he did on the mound striking out batters. For that reason, and an arm that supposedly reached up to 92-93 MPH in high school, I picked Richard as one of my breakout candidates prior to the '06 season. I was a little early.

Richard didn't give us much reason to think that he'd turn into a viable back of the rotation candidate during his first two seasons. His peripherals were unspectacular, striking out a little over 5 batters per 9 innings pitched. But this year, out of nowhere, Richard started pounding the strike zone and getting hitters to pound the ball into the ground. He walked only 20 batters in 130 minor league innings, and compiled a WHIP under 1 across two levels. But he still didn't miss enough bats to make the jump to a Top Prospect status.

Richard has a unique delivery and a big tail on his fastball, which he adds and subtracts off of for effect. His changeup is a also plus pitch, but he struggled to throw in in the bottom half of the zone at times at the big league level. His third pitch, a slider, will be a key to his long-term effectiveness at the big league level. I'd say that he could benefit from some more time in AAA (he only got 7 starts there before his call-up), but I don't know if he has anything more that he can learn down there. He may have to learn how to survive on the fly at the big league level. For his part, it seemed like he was doing just that down the stretch, as 3 of the 5 starts he received after he was recalled were considered Quality Starts, including a tremendous losing effort in Yankee Stadium, and two stellar relief outings in the post-season.

Richard will definitely be in the Sox plans next year, but he'll need to add in his secondary pitches to better neutralize right-handed hitters and keep hitters off balance the second and third time through the order. Working on the throw to first base would help too.

Brandon Allen -- If not for Clayton Richard's rise from borderline suspect to possible 5th starter, Allen's strong season would have been the most surprising in the Sox system. Allen has always had the tools to be a big time prospect, but he never demonstrated even the slightest bit of control over the strike zone above rookie ball. That all changed this year as Allen doubled his walk rate, the second straight season he accomplished that feat, and turned some of his '07 doubles (39) into home runs (29).

Many scouts still aren't sold on Allen, and truth be told, neither am I. They note his poor pitch recognition (though obviously it's improving) and defense as reasons to drag him down prospect lists such as this. He's more athletic than most guys his size, as evidenced by his double-digit stolen bases this season, but his fielding can be described as erratic. He still has work to do at the plate, and might be best served with a return trip to Birmingham out of spring. I'd like to have another half-season of data from him before I really speak passionately in one way or another about his prospect status.

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Jordan Danks -- It's a little bit hard to believe at this point, but three years ago scouts had Danks ranked similarly, and often times more positively, than Jay Bruce. Danks was viewed as a true 5-tool player who projected big power. But Bruce and Danks took separate paths; Danks to the University of Texas, where he never really showed the forecasted power even though he had the benefit of metal bats, and Bruce to the minor leagues, where he rose to become the #1 position prospect in all of baseball before making his major league debut before the mid-way point of the '08 season.

While most will point to Danks' lack of power, which, by the way, is completely overstated (36 of his 75 NCAA hits and 7 of his 13 pro hits in '08 went for extra bases), as the area that is holding him back from becoming a Top Prospect, I'd argue that it's his strikeout rate that most bears watching next year and in the future. Danks struck out 122 times in 588 collegiate at-bats. To put that in perspective, Josh Fields, who played in the same conference, albeit a few years earlier, struck out 113 times in 579 collegiate at-bats. That wouldn't be too troubling on it's own, because unlike Fields, Danks has always demonstrated a strong walk-rate. But Danks didn't improve his K or BB rates in any significant way in college, and 14 strike outs against 4 walks in 45 trips to the plate as a pro isn't a way to quiet those concerns.

Now that I've spent two paragraphs talking about what's holding Danks back, how about a little positivity. Well, Danks is still a legit 4-tool player, and could yet develop into a 5-tool player. (As I suggested above, those doubles and triples seem to indicate that the lack of power may have more to do with impatient scouts than anything else.) He's a tall, lanky, left-handed hitting speedster with a good batting eye, who plays a fine CF and has a plus arm. In short, Danks has upside above anyone else in the Sox system not named Beckham or Poreda.

John Shelby -- Shelby was my favorite pick from an '06 draft that makes '05 appear brilliant by comparison. The son of former major leaguer by the same name, Shelby was the lone prospect with any upside taken in the '06 draft. But critics noted his Swing At Everything style in college and questioned how that would translate in the minors. The answer, at least in the lower levels, is good enough.

Shelby has posted slugging percentages over .500 in each of the last two seasons, and demonstrated a combination of speed and power not seen in the White Sox organization since the departure of Chris Young. But all is not rosy for Shelby, starting at the All-Star break last season he all but stopped taking a walk. That might not be a big problem if he had outstanding contact skills, but he doesn't. He struck out nearly 5 times as often as he walked in '08, and his K-rate went up while his BB-rate went down compared to '07. So while it's nice that Shelby has posted consecutive seasons batting around .300 with good power, his peripherals suggest a swift decline at the higher levels.

Defensively, Shelby has been a vagabond. He started at second in college, and began his minor league career there, but has since moved to the outfield. I believe the Sox see him as a center fielder in the future, but injuries and questionable instincts limited his time there this year.

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Chris Getz -- Chris Getz will hit. Maybe not for power, and maybe not right away; but eventually, Getz will become a high-average hitter at the major league level.

I can say that with confidence primarily because of how he controlled strike zone over his minor league career. He reminds me a bit of two young light-on-power second baseman we've seen come up in the last couple of years, Dustin Pedroia and Alexei Casilla, but in the form of a left-handed hitter. Making a comparison to player of Pedroia's caliber is always dangerous, but they're a similar type of player, though Getz will never be mentioned in MVP discussions. They take a walk and put the ball in play, and don't strike out much. Pedroia takes the not striking out part to a whole new level, which makes him far better than Casilla and Getz.

I bring up those two names not to get people excited about Getz' future, but to temper their immediate expectations for the beginning of the season. Pedroia was hitting well under .200 after his first month in '07, and Casilla hit just .222/.256/.259 in his 189 at-bats last year. For some reason, these Put It In Play With Little Power type hitters seem to struggle in their first exposure to major league pitching, even though the approach yields fine results over the long-term.

A look inside Getz' AAA numbers this season shows some troubling home/road splits. All of his career high 11 home runs came inside the small ball park at Charlotte, and he entered the '08 season with just 6 homers in his minor league career. He didn't show any platoon split in the minors, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Juan Uribe around just in case he has trouble with major league lefties, or gets off to a slow start, or struggles defensively.

Getz was a teammate of Richard's at Michigan, and was taken 4 rounds ahead of him in the '05 draft. It was actually the second time the Sox had drafted Getz; he signed with Wake Forest out of high school before transferring to Michigan and being redrafted by the Sox.

Jack Egbert -- In truth, Egbert does not belong in this category. He did last year based on the inhuman HR suppression skills he demonstrated over two seasons, but he got touched up a bit in Charlotte's small ball park this season. Perhaps it was just the small dimensions (345' in the power alleys), perhaps it was some lingering elbow soreness that delayed the start of his season. Whatever it was, it's clear that Egbert fell down the Sox depth charts. As they desperately searched for competent bullpen help and a 5th starter, Egbert remained in Charlotte while Lance Broadway, Ehren Wasserman, and Horacio Ramirez helped the Sox put together the worst bullpen in baseball over the season's final two months.

Personally, I still believe that Egbert can (and will) be a successful major league pitcher. True, his stuff is nothing to write home about. But, he's got that funky hitch in his delivery, has a good changeup, and only one of his HR allowed came away from the castle. If he's still with the Sox in '09, I'd expect to see him improve on his '08 numbers in Charlotte, and move him back into the Why Hasn't This Guy Gotten A Shot? category.

Unfortunately for the Sox, a prospect like Egbert has little-to-no value on the trade market until he is able to prove himself against major league competition. And the only way to do that is by finally getting a legit shot. Egbert seems a bit like a guy the San Diego Padres might like; Kevin Towers because he fits into his mode for building a bullpen, and Paul DePodesta because of his good-to-excellent peripherals over the last three seasons. Otherwise, it's an extremely limited trade market for Egbert, with only a low-budget team like the Nationals figuring to even give him a second look.

I spent much of this post talking about peripherals and K/BB ratios because, aside from age and strong scouting report, it's the best indicator of future major league success or failure.

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i really look forward to watching chris getz play at the major league level...

be it at 2nd base or a backup infielder next year….and given time i believe danks will progress into a very solid major league outfielder along the likes of a jeff francouer or a geoff jenkins/jeromy burnitz type of guy

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 14, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if either shelby or danks can develop

into above average offensive center fielders the sox should be in good shape

by Jbasic89 on Oct 14, 2008 12:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Getz - On Base %

We have enough home run hitters – the question is can he consistently get on base, steal bases and shake-up the opponents defense?

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

by phastphil on Oct 14, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've tried those before at brunch, grapfruit just isn't my thing.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn you WU hands! That should be "grapefruit", but grapfruit isn't really my thing either.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 14, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jr. or Sr.?

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd, like rec'ing Poe during a cocaine-induced writing binge.

Genius, BSS.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think your system is necessarily identifying the strongest M&M

By having the winner continue through successive rounds until it loses, you could end up eating a six-time champ only to end up with a one-time winner at the end. What you should do is put the winner aside after each faceoff, then stage another round among all the winners, and so forth, until a final champion is crowned.

by Ryno on Oct 14, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

duly noted

but, just like the short best of 5 first round of the playoffs, I don’t mess with success.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibit A.

Mid last week, I said that the frenzied pace of acquisition / trade speculation posts would leave us with little to discuss.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 14, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe because there's little to discuss?

no one seems interested in talking about the games that are actually being played. not much else happening in the world of baseball, or white sox, for that matter, is there.

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all have to take a couple

of weeks off to refresh our minds. Not sure about everyone else, but last week was a week from h*ll at work for me. This market is seriously stressing out my job. I also have one month old that is stressing the cr*p out of me and a wife that is climbing the walls when I get home.

Needless to say, a little humor isn’t a bad thing.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 14, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup guy.

Harry Burnett (H.B.) Reese, a former dairy employee of Milton S. Hershey, founder of Hershey Foods Corporation. Reese was so inspired by Mr. Hershey’s success that he left the dairy business to make his living in the candy industry.

H.B. Reese – what a fucking genius.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 14, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Chicago Tough. Baby.

You want a friend? Get a dog. Tough day at the office? F%#K YOU! This is about BASEBALL! WHITE SOX BASEBALL!

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got a dog

f*&k me? F*ck PUNTO! You old SOB!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also have … a wife that is climbing the walls when I get home.

you’re married to spidey?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 14, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I R confoozed.

This is not original from BSS? And Cheat nicks from Craigslist?

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DDDAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNN YYYOOOOUUU PPPPPPPUUUNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it may be an original from bss, but if it is he first posted it on craigslist almost a year ago.

i’m not aware of cheating “nicking” from craigslist, hoodie, but i can agree that punto shall be damned, at least until he’s wearing a sox uniform next season. bwahahahahahaha.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, cheat...not cheating.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I iz infekting all posters with my speling.

(My plann working to purfekshun.)

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you can see, my lack of form is not the question

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 14, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just find it funny when people post shit online unattributed

whether they want credit or not it’s impossible to run from google.

by madvillian on Oct 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just having a little fun

thought it was a funny post and wanted to share it. I have posted a few before from Craigslist, so I thought everyone knew. Sorry to have upset you, Madvillan.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 14, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DB. Cite your source. Fer Chrissakes.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat, colintj, thecip, AEG, Wiz, or whoever has the authority to make new threads these days

I recognize this is a bold request, but could we get an ALCS thread this evening entitled “SSS Proclamation: Let Boston be Sonnastined”, “Time for the other Sox to get Sonnastined”, or something of that ilk?

I would be happy with anything that used Sonnastine as a verb and will leave it at your discretion, should you choose to humor me by fulfilling this request.

I thank you in advance and bow to your almighty powers.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 14, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you implying that other teams -

nay, other good teams, to boot – have trouble with andy sonnanstine? get right the fuck out of here.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200809100.shtml

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone’s rui… nope, wait, used that one.

It’s not a bad notion, though. Last night’s NLCS Game Four was the senior circuit’s answer to ALCS Game Two, a dramatic series of great plays, controversial decisions, and lead changes that left fans slack-jawed and breathless. From the opening lineup (Juan Pierre?) through the middle innings (Chase Utley!) and the dramatic denouement (MATT STAIRS!!!), last night’s game was a well-crafted symphony, playing on our emotions, bringing us up and taking us down, and in the end, leaving us, Dodgers fans, Phillies fans, baseball fans, agreeing on one thing: baseball is a great game.

What will stay with you the longest depends on your particular loyalty. I have no rooting interest, but I do have a longstanding affection for Matt Stairs, who I remember as a second-base prospect for the Expos back in my college days. That particular career path ended abruptly, but Stairs just kept hitting, was an early BP favorite, and ended up, to some extent, as the public image of the early-Billy Beane A’s, a fireplug who raked and didn’t have much defensive skill. When Stairs swings, he swings hard, but he also works counts and draws walks and even hits lefties from time to time. He’s never even had a chance to play this far into a season—three Division Series appearances were his furthest previous—so that he would be able to push his team within a game of the World Series last night, crushing an absolute bomb into the right-field bleachers… that’s a great moment for a guy who has been around a long time without having moments like that.

….

The players didn’t execute, and any analysis of the Dodgers’ loss has to emphasize the mistakes they made: Ramirez not scoring from first on a double off the wall with two outs in the first inning, or the missed opportunities to tack on runs in the fifth, sixth, and seventh, or the pitches by Wade and Broxton that left the yard. Andre Ethier’s decision to hack at the first pitch he saw in the eighth, batting with one on, none out, and Ramirez coming up behind him, led to an excruciating double play. However, you can’t get away from what Joe Torre did last night. From starting Pierre to managing the bullpen, he did not put his team in the best position to win the game. As Steven Goldman pointed out in the Roundtable, Torre has struggled running bullpens ever since the roles weren’t clearly dictated by the personnel. Last night’s game was the latest chapter in that book.

The loss was simply devastating for the Dodgers. They wouldn’t have been in great shape at 2-2, what with facing Cole Hamels on Wednesday (ah, ridiculous scheduling) and then heading back for two games at Citizens Bank Park. Now, they have to win all three of those. While not impossible—it’s baseball, where no team is ever that big a favorite over another—the likelihood is that the Dodgers’ run will end in the next few days.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8207

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and, do you accept years of futility for this?
That the Rays beat Lester was surprising, but it’s worth noting how they did it. If Saturday’s win was the work of the future Rays, with David Price and Fernando Perez playing key roles, Monday’s game shined a light on the team’s past futility. While some savvy trades, good free-talent pickups, and low-wattage free agents have all contributed to this year’s success, it’s failure that is the foundation:

The 2001 Devil Rays went 62-100, earning the second pick in the 2002 amateur draft. Yesterday, that pick, B.J. Upton, hit a monster three-run homer in the third to put the Rays up 4-0.

The 2005 Devil Rays went 61-101, earning the third pick in the 2006 amateur draft. Yesterday, that pick, Evan Longoria, homered and walked, scoring two runs.

The 1999 Devil Rays went 69-93, which was what amounted to success in franchise history prior to this year. Nevertheless, they earned the sixth overall pick in the 2000 amateur draft. Yesterday, that pick, Rocco Baldelli, hit a three-run homer that iced the win.

The 2002 Devil Rays were the worst team in baseball, tied with the Tigers at 55-106. That earned them the first pick in the 2002 draft, Delmon Young. Last winter, Young was traded to the Twins for Matt Garza, who threw six good innings at the Red Sox yesterday and was credited with the win.

The Rays have done a lot of good things over the past few years, since Stuart Sternberg bought the team and hired a whole new front office. Yesterday’s win, however, was the end result of the years of incompetence that came before him, a showcase of the draft picks the Rays earned by being bad for so very, very long. Like patient investors, they’ve finally realized the value of that talent in building a winning baseball team.

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Though hell, we had 88 years of it. maybe 5-6 years is a small price to pay.

Speaking of patient investors – total annualized return of the S&P over the past 10 years – -0.2%. So maybe we are more patient than we think…

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the quote from Stairs immediately after the game...

Rosenthal asked him the the typical “what were you looking to do in that situation?”

Stairs: “I wanted to hit a homer, that’s basically what I usually do — swing really hard and hope the ball goes out.”

Awesome.

by CWSKeith on Oct 14, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i loves me some matt stairs
Matt Stairs

Might be in the Hall of Fame if: I’ll let Bill explain.

“Look at it. Somebody decided he was a second baseman, he tears through the minor leagues, gets to Montreal, the Expos take one look at him and say, ’He’s no second baseman, get real.’ He bounces around, goes to Japan, doesn’t really get to play until he’s almost 30, then hits 38 homers, slips into a part-time role and hits 15-20 homers every year for 10 years in about 250 at-bats a season. … You put him in the right park, right position early in his career … he’s going to hit a LOT of bombs.”

What can you say? It’s all there. Stairs did not get 500 at-bats until he was 30 — he had a .370 OBP that year, hit 26 homers, drove in 106. The next year, he had the 38-homer season. His average dropped the next season, and he never got 500 at-bats in a season after that.

http://thesoulofbaseball.blogspot.com/2007/04/hall-of-could-have-been.html

that “Bill” is bill james, by the way.

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a pretty slipperly slope

I mean…there are plenty of “what if” stories. But in Stairs’ case it wasn’t injury but the probably poor decisions of old-school talent scouts, so yea — I kinda feel for him a tiny bit.

by madvillian on Oct 14, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

COLIN?

STILL NO REBUTTAL…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: I hope I'm not delving too far down the slippery slope of talking politics, but I'm gonna ask anyways

with this thing about the US Treasury now buying stock from major US banks… I don’t know how to quite word my question… I just get the sense that this is very unprecedented/out-there (not the crisis itself, which obviously is a big deal, but this specific event).

Furthermore, in my (somewhat) isolated world and poor grasp on the situation as a whole (cripes, four days a week I take these business classes and I’m still having trouble understanding the ins-and-outs about what is going on. It’s getting a bit better as I’m taking my first financing course and am starting to understand the different markets and financial instruments, but damn if this isn’t a lot to take in) - I don’t know, I just feel that these decisions to flush so much money through the system it just seems like they’re just throwing money at the problem and crossing their fingers and hoping everything will work itself out. Obviously it’s not that simple, and I’d guess (hope?) that the guys in charge are working tirelessly to fix the problem (although I have some issues with that, too, as working tirelessly doesn’t mean much if you don’t understand the problem in the first-place), but I’d (intuitively) think that it’d take more than a day to just come up with the plan to throw $250 billion to these banks…

I know that might come off as rambling, but it’s probably the most articulate I can be (so I’m sorry for that).

by CWSKeith on Oct 14, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

of course it took more than a day.

and will take more days. it’s not like the government made the investment today. they basically “signed” or agreed a term sheet; likely will take some time to actually implement. i’ve heard nov. 14 is the deadline for the banks to participate.

by larry on Oct 14, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slippery slope. Market agrees with you. Communism sucks.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 14, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon, uncle wu. lighten up.

"i bowl. drive around. the occasional acid flashback."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 14, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gulags are the best place to meet chicks.

Desperate. Usually thin. Will trade for food.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

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