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  • Scott Merkin writes a piece on the spring training move to Glendale which is surprisingly more well rounded than the editorial that I posted last week in the comments.

  • Mayor Daley wants to raise the amusement tax on the Sox (and Cubs, and Bears, oh my!). Some guy, a "Chicago Sports Marketing Expert," claims this costs the Sox up to $12M a year.

    "The White Sox have a similar situation . . . with the Red Sox. There's a very low ticket tax in Massachusetts. The White Sox will be $10 million to $12 million less able to pay players from the same source. Does that put the Sox in a less-competitive situation with the Red Sox? Absolutely."
    Though the proposed increase is only 1%, the expert gives us figures for the entire tax... because he's an expert.

  • The White Sox TV ratings were up 67% this year, while baseball's overall TV ratings fell in general. There was only one other team who saw significant gains in TV viewership. That team, the Rays, was the only team in baseball to pull a bigger one-season turnaround in the standings than the Sox.

    I found it interesting that the Sox had the 11th largest average audience, but ranked behind Twins and Tigers in that measure. I would have thought for sure that the Twins TV audience would be 1/2 or 2/3rds that of the Sox, but that relationship is reversed.

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Twinks/Tiggers the only game in their respective towns.

Nice boost – sort of figured after the abysmal 2007, plus a division race, plus an extra game, ratings would be a lot higher. Front-runners. Not SSS Tough.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

but would you have guessed the Twins having the 6th largest average TV audience?

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Oct 17, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not initially

but, after some thought, it is already the 15th ( i think) largest tv market with little to no competition unlike many of the markets ahead of it. and, additionally, the twins basically own a large swath of the upper plains states.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 17, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they are fanatical. Lunatics.

I would compare their regional reach to the Cardinals across the South.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that picture just creeps me out

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 17, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's hot.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww

geriatric love.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is the one on the left your mom?

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are they, all 80 now?

Chi, come on, now. Get into at least the end of the 20th century. MILF is good, not Grand-MILF.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couldn't think of anything more recent re Minny TV...

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

coach.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 17, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shelley Fabares. Still a little long in the tooth.

Good suggestion, though. Quick.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

craig t. nelson!

/with fist pump

/mac from always sunny

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 19, 2008 2:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm noticing a five-head* theme here....

*larger than a forehead, for the opos’ in the room.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 17, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love that phrase

not too many people down here know what I’m talking about when I use “five-head” though.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never heard of it.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only issue now is whether i make it out of hampton alive.

by Toonderstrook on Oct 17, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are just too cool.

I feel quite diminished by that hole in my knowledge base. I am going home to wine it up after the most interesting 2 weeks in my career. (And most inane 2 weeks on this site.)

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

enjoy your weekend. you deserve it.

the only issue now is whether i make it out of hampton alive.

by Toonderstrook on Oct 17, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dear Mr Ugly I think th eworls stock in crisis

is causing you too much stress, cavemen didn’t have money and they survived with just clubs and skins and stuff. when was the last time you visted Italy? I have access to a nice villa that could cases your streses to be ok.

regards

marching on together

by hoodlight on Oct 17, 2008 6:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is this english?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 19, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no...british.

the only issue now is whether i make it out of hampton alive.

by Toonderstrook on Oct 19, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...else going on in Minnesota. The TV seems to be the best mode of Minnesotan entertainment.

Although, who am I kidding? I watch at least 100 games per season, and I can’t think of a much better way to spend my summer either.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 17, 2008 2:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent.

Though I am MUCH younger than those old codgers.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's lost some weight since the beginning of the season

Cheers to you, WU, all that running is finally stating to pay off!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, the honeymoon is over.

Shared experience be damned. The gloves come off.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget your new BFF Roy Egan...

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only issue now is whether i make it out of hampton alive.

by Toonderstrook on Oct 17, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Holy crap! I didn't know the toll Seattle had taken on her.

Though Roy looks pretty good.

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He looks pretty damned happy.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a win. Rec'd.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell has just frozen over...

The Chicago Tribune just endorsed its first Democrat (ever) for president.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess they got tired of hoping Ron Paul would pull this one off

“It’s so crazy, it just might work!”

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. The boner I had from learning Armstrong and Beckham were starting today has quickly been sent packing.

Thanks for making me wish I ate something in the last two days so that I could puke. Stupid economy.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are very welcome.

here’s something for you…or maybe it was you?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Oct 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't live in Florida

but I think Gus brings up a valid point. Things have gotten out of hand when you go out to buy a ten and it costs you twenty.

He most certainly has given me an example of how one can express one’s outrage with the increasing cost of crack, so I thank both you, HSA, and Gus. May he enjoy the anal raping he is about to experience.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so do we get to re-think Alexei's total suck at second yet?

there’s a couple metrics that have him as more than passable now, with Win Shares and the regressed Tango fan report. RZR has him as total suck, but if we take the instincts and first step scores from the TFR and compare that to the range RZR says he has, it looks like the difference there could very well be a function of positioning.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 17, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

keep in mind that win shares divvies up wins by a team amongst the players.

guys who are on shit teams are automatically at a disadvantage.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Regardless what his rankins are, he wasn’t a natural second baseman, he was put into the position with not that much time and was serviceable. Hard to say how much the position change hurt his play. Lets see him at his natural position before we judge the guy, or in a second year at second base, either way I think we’ll see a better glove out of him next year.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 17, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have my doubts.

I think i did this wrong. Oh well…..delete my votes as they all suck anyway.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The more I think about it,

the more I’d like to see Alexei in centerfield. His strength in the infield was range on pop flies. He has played center. Furthermore, it may be easier to get an infielder to fit our needs. I sure hope Kennt is open-minded about this.

by dantesox on Oct 17, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you stutter when you speak in addition to when you type?

Kennt

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

H did not distinguish himseld there in ST or when given the oppo

at the beginning of the season. I, too, thought he’d spend a lot of time out there, but he looks like he has a difficult time getting a good read on fly balls.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easier to find an infielder... ROFL

I love how when someone doesn’t want someone in a position, its easier to find that position than the other. Yep, tons of available players of quality to take 2nd, or SS. Look how easy it was to fill CF the last 3 years. And according to KW – thats the easiest outfield position… ask Jr. The problem continues to be finding a balanced player, one that can hit and field, and not give up to much offense or defense. There is no such thing as an easy position to fill.

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Oct 18, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apparently you can't reply for shit either!

man, you’re bringing a smile to my face.

this is almost too easy, but I’ll take it!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL. Best part of my day. Which tells you a lot.

Maybe he’s not a Dr. but plays one on-line…

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave Cameron's 'Buy Low' Pitcher: Nate Robertson
Here are Robertson’s FIPs since 2004, when he became a full-time starter:

2004: 4.52
2005: 4.73
2006: 4.72
2007: 4.65
2008: 4.99

Yes, 2008 was his worst year, but by a pretty small margin. A .3 FIP difference over his career norms would translate out to about seven extra runs per season. A seven run dropoff is far more marginal than what the perception of Robertson’s collapse is, considering how bad his results were in 2008.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/buying-low-nate-robertson

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 17, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nate = Horseshit m/o Coop.

Coop could fix him.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 6:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

m/o?

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 17, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MO - mit out (without)

Old movies were MOS – “mit out sound”. Kind of German. Look it up. Don’t believe Wiki.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, I see

I get it now

and I was thinking m isn’t close to w, what is WU smoking? :p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 17, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his glaucoma has been acting up

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Oct 17, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Dave's analysis

But Nate Robertson is a 4th or 5th starter on a good team. Maybe some NL team close to contending (Cardinals?) could get some value out of him…

It’s not like he’s a good pitcher that had a bad year. He’s an average pitcher at best that had a bad year. How much value can really be had?

by madvillian on Oct 17, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in a game where the average 5th starter in both leagues has an average ERA is well over 6.

i’m guessing there are, like, 25 teams that could get significant value out of him. he’s a league average pitcher, for chrissakes. you make it sound like that’s something teams don’t need. good lord.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 18, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

R.J. Anderson's 'Buy Low' Hitter: Jonny Gomes
While Gomes 2008 role morphed from the southpaw bashing portion of a platoon into team pugilist make no mistake that Gomes played up to his true talent level with a sub-.700 OPS. Consider Gomes’ 10% line drives and .200 BABIP for a moment. Knowing what we know about LD% and BABIP, one would expect a BABIP around .220 for a hitter with 10% liners. That’s only a difference of two hits, but for a guy with a limited number of at-bats an extra single and double could have made his line look a bit better.

Moving forward I would expect Gomes LD% to be closer to his career average of 19% than 10. More interestingly about Gomes tendencies were his decrease in strikeouts, dropping from 36 to 29% with minimal decrease in walks. At the same time though Gomes O-Swing% increased yet again coming dangerously close to 30%, leaving myself and others to wonder why Gomes insists on hacking.

Although Gomes offers little in the way of defensive value (comedic factor gains him points) as a cheap DH Gomes is probably just as deserving of a job as Josh Phelps, who was recently waived yet would have the built in advantage of a couple of arbitration seasons remaining and his prime years remaining.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/18/637841/buy-low-candidate-jonny-go

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 18, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw that.

I like Jonny Gomes. He doesn’t chew or smoke.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 18, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT A GLORIOUS BEGINNING TO OUR OFFSEASON GO RED SOX

The Red Sox claimed pitcher Dewon Day off waivers from the White Sox, and also designated pitcher Chris Smith for assignment.

per mlbtraderumors.com

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Oct 17, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think this is a bad move.
“With great sadness, I’m here to announce that Dewon Day has been claimed by the Boston Red Sox for personal reasons,” Williams said, holding back tears. “We will issue no further comment at this time.”

Boos washed over the podium as Williams retreated hastily into the stadium’s offices. Chicago Police reported more than dozen fights, but no arrests were made as most combatants did not have the heart to continue, instead choosing to embrace each other in consolation over the bad news.

Most fans stood stunned, silent.

“Why?” asked one Sox fan who wished to remain anonymous. “I mean…”

He trailed off, his moist eyes cast down 35th Street.

Answers are in short supply. Calls placed to Day’s agent, Dave Stewart, were not returned.

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/10/18/14184.aspx

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 18, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why did the sox ever let this guy go? jerry manuel is going to teach clutch in ST.

how? this how:

4. Kidnap Carlos Delgado’s kids and hold them at gunpoint while Carlos takes BP. “You like pressure, Carlos? This is what the playoffs feel like.” Then, after Carlos strokes a home run, shoot one of the kids. Just in the leg, though. Remember, it’s just a game.

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/10/jerry-needs-instruction-manuel-chris.html

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 18, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On his first full day as the Mets’ long-term manager, Manuel forcefully attacked the SABR-type mathematical analysis some have fixated on in recent years.

    “You get so many statistical people together, they put so many stats on paper, and they say, well, if you do this and you score this many runs, you do that many times, you’ll be in the playoffs,” he said.

    “That’s not really how it works, and that’s what we have to get away from. And that’s going to have to be a different mind-set of the team in going forward. We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people. We have to win because we have baseball players that know and can understand the game.”

gosh, and here i thought playing baseball for, like, most of your life would cause players to know and understand it. i guess the mets were playing handball or something this year. once jerry gets them to realize what game they’re supposed to be playing, i see 125 wins next season. book it.

Kenny on the Phones - my favorite GM

by larry on Oct 18, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

done

once jerry gets them to realize what game they’re supposed to be playing, i see 125 wins next season. book it. - larry

by U-God on Oct 18, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saturday morning. En fuego, my friend.

(Still a DB for the geek boy picture. I have not forgotten. I will never forget.)

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

memory's always the first thing to go

i give it 10, no, 15 minutes

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Oct 18, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memory? What memory?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 AM EDT

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