Has Javier Vazquez Played His Last Game in a White Sox Uniform?
by The Cheat on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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PrintThe thought first crossed my mind when Vazquez failed to step up his game against the Twins following Ozzie Guillen's unflattering comments.
At that point, Guillen had not lost faith in Vazquez; he had merely issued a challenge to his feeble-minded hurler. The Sox gave Vazquez every opportunity to prove his detractors wrong over the last month, with two starts on short rest (both disasters), and two games in domes in playoff environments (similar disasters). Needless to say he was unsuccessful. It's hard to believe that Guillen has any confidence remaining in Vazquez, no matter what his post-game comments may be, after 4 straight blown high-pressure starts.
If there's any short-term silver lining to Vazquez cratering yet again under high-pressure, it's that if the Sox are able to fight their way back into this series and force a game 5, there's no way he gets the call. It will be some combination of Mark Buehrle and Clayton Richard, who made Javy look like a chump with his 3+ innings of scoreless relief.
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This was our worst pitching matchup, and we were hardly out of the game. Tampa’s got closer problems, too.
I would have liked to see Swisher pinch hit for Juan when they had the bases juiced, but that’s no guarantee of anything different.
I won’t lose any sleep over this game.
Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.
Rays made our worst lefty look like Steve Carlton
I’ll take my chances the rest of the way. Buerhle and Danks(if he’s got anything left), we should win at least one of those.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
AGree as well . . . .
Buerhle steps up tomorrow; Danks takes it to ‘em on Sunday and then Floyd will bear down and we take the series 3-1. As bad as this game turned out, I’m actually positive about our prospects in this series.
What role Javy plays if the season moves on to the ALCS remains a mystery. Are we now a three-starter team?
With ya Trooper.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
like someone said earlier, we're just playing with the creepy crippled tv doctor's money anyway.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm inclined to agree
Why not wait until midseason if need be.
As for the series rotation, the other three guys are on regular rest from here on in, including Buehrle in Game 5, so yeah, we prob won’t see him again this series.
Wow, someone needs a toke
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
certainly wouldn't mind one, but I'm just a bit to your North
I believe WU calls it the “Gay” Area, whereas the rest of us refer to it a fairyland ;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
ratio of wu using term vs. you = 1:100000
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying you use fairyland?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
He's useful for the regular season
Where else are we going to find someone to go 12-12?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
12-17 now.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
Fuck you and your facts
OPOS
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
If KW can find a deal to his liking, I think he'll take it
What kind of message does it send about an organization’s commitment to winning to keep a pitcher around who can’t get the job done when it really matters?
Now obviously you don’t trade him for nothing, but I think he at least tries.
Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.
That goes without saying.
He’s a dealer. With Danks/Floyd coming on so strongly this year his hand is stronger (although Javy has done his part to reduce his value). There wil always be someone to take him because of his talent – we got rid of Garland, after all, and this seems like a similar situation.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
Good point
The Sox could use a few pieces, even if they aren’t major league ready.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
If nothing else...
We get some marginal talent in return, dump Javy’s salary and gor for someone on the free agent market. Burnett seems likely, as he’s one of those KW guys…and KW always gets his man.
Okay, I'll play larry's part here
Perhaps there’s something that we don’t know about Javy re: injuries, etc. at this point in time.
He’s certainly not perfect, and his performance today wasn’t good, but if someone comes through with the bases loaded (I’m looking at you, OrCa, and you, Fatty), perhaps a bases-clearing double?, this game is a W for the Sox.
The Rays aren’t perfect. The Sox suck in domes. This was the worst pitching match-up for the Sox. Just trying to be an optimist here (or maybe it’s the crack kicking in), but I think the Sox do this thing.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Hey, I said above I think the Sox still are good in this series
We’re just talking some Vazquez is all.
Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.
I'm just talkin' 'bout Shaft?!
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
why would gm. 5 if necessary be some combination of buehrle/richard and not just buehrle on regular rest?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
I have to say...
I’m not sweating this loss…..We have buehrle going tommorow and kazmir will walk a ton of hitters if you let him…..Play swish in center tommorow!!!
Bringing the awesome?I'm down!
javy dent needs to be fucking killed now
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
i quit my job just so i could follow on gameday at the public library.
i refuse to brief such a non fan.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Liar!
I saw you walking into the Stud throwing cash around just before the game! There’s no way you could have made it out of the stud and gotten to the library, 10 blocks away, in the 6 minutes there were until first pitch. No freaking way.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
is cc sabathia playing his last game in a brewers uniform?
october troubles return for cap’n cheeseburger.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
Damn gave up a grand slam
Probably thinking the Dodgers/Angels are looking mighty nice already.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 2, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
5 runs in 3.2 innings, not good
For reasons I cannot explain, I was hoping the Brew Crew would do some damage in the playoffs, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Because they are rivals with a team from the North Side?
Who (I don’t care if I’m a typical Chicago jamoke for saying this) are losing 5-0 to the Dodgers.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 2, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope Carlos Pena's eye doesn't heal for a few games
Then we’ll both be down a Carlos.
Baseball is not played by emotionless robots.
Javy's dilemma
Hmmm, what goes best with a big loss and room service? 2000 Lafite Rothschild or an 85 La Tache?
85 La Tache
What are you, nuts? A 2000 Lafite Rothschild? As if!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
shamrock shake.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehh
He probably won’t be of use for the rest of the year, but trading Vazquez would strike me as silly. Despite all of his struggles, he’s still good for 200 innings of completely average pitching. That’s worth $10 million these days. In fact, seeing that he’s in good physical condition and will (most likely) age pretty well, I might take these last several starts as a chance to “buy low” on him and see if you can extend him for another season or two.
I’m still not buying the “choke” rubbish, too. His command has been off for a good portion of the season. He may not walk a lot of hitters but within the zone he’s as wild as any starter we have. Tonight was more of the same.
Overall, though, like others I’m not too mad about today’s result. It looked like an unfriendly match-up going in. I texted my friend a few minutes before the D-Wise homer that the Sox needed “good pitching and [to] hope for the three-run shot”. They got the latter and needed to get a little lucky with the former. They didn’t. Oh well. Onto game two. I wonder who will be playing LF and CF tomorrow.
swisher in left and gs in center is my guess.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Eeeb
The general in CF is suboptimal. Isn’t Kazmir a LHP?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
yes. but gs is a first-ballot hall of famer. etc. etc. etc. *pukes* etc. etc. etc.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You should stop puking on your keyboard, it doesn't help the lifetime
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
my homage to ssh went undetected. :-(
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Speak not of his name.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
Oh, it was detected, but I was pissing on your parade, OPOS
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Vasquez
It’s really too bad about Javier. He has great stuff but no knowledge of how to use it. He has had many opportunities and he should be released or traded.
Sabathia, Sheets, and Lowe are free agents. Lete’s sign a couple of them and get rid of Vasquez.
and i don't really want to sign a free agent starter who seemingly never makes it through a full season healthy.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheets' next contract should be
very interesting
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
vazquez
He is so frustrating. If he still hasn’t gotten it on the same staff with Buehrle & Danks (and Cooper coaching), he never will.
He challenges good hitters with his fastball and he never goes inside.
Move Javy to the Pen...
For now and then… hold on to him for the regular season next year? Treat him like a number 5 starter. That means getting somebody else of equal or greater value. I don’t think the Sox will open the checkbook.
Then again… Does it matter what happens to Javy? This team will be ‘blowed up’ in the off season anyway.
blowed up by what? who's leaving aside from oc?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
And Griffey ---- please don't tell me otherwise... I can dream
Don't look back because we are going forward!
oh yes. he is going to be bronzed in the offseason.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Really - I don't we'll notice the difference in speed
Don't look back because we are going forward!
Just one game, no time to panic yet
I didn’t realize Wheeler’s their closer now that Percival is hurt, and this guy is a Borowski/Todd Jones close. Pena is out, so the only really major HR threat they have is Longoria – be cautious with him (ahem, Javy) and just keep the games close. I like our chances, fuck dese bitches. We had a good chance to win this game even with Javy majorly choking on the hairball.
force remember you must
"We have to win tomorrow," Guillen said. "I mean, it’s not a do or die thing, but I’d rather go home with one win than go home with our backs to the wall. This organization has been against the wall a lot of times, but we’ve pulled it out before."
pena out for good?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
with LHP's going the next 2 games he might as well be
"We have to win tomorrow," Guillen said. "I mean, it’s not a do or die thing, but I’d rather go home with one win than go home with our backs to the wall. This organization has been against the wall a lot of times, but we’ve pulled it out before."
touche.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
General thoughts re Cabrara & interchange?
Bizzo if you ask me. Only one person he needs to fire up at that time and it was he.
Really never saw anything like that before.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
As one who is generally very negative.....
I actually am quite OK after today….yeah I wanted the 1-0 start, but none of their starters are “lights out,” especially with Kazmir being very hittable down the stretch……their middle relief is very good (Balfour, Howell) but at least we got a look at them today…..I like our starters from here on it……let’ go!
I'd be lying if I expected the Sox to win this game...
You can say hindsight is 20/20 or that this is just an excuse, but let’s get serious: who actually thought Vazquez was going to throw a good game? The answer: nobody who’s seen him pitch in the last few weeks. Against a starter as good as Shields, we needed a good start and didn’t get it from Javy. Not surprising the least.
Tomorrow’s game is winnable, as is Sunday’s if you ask me. We got to Sonnanstine a bit the last time the Rays were in town, so the way I look at it, if we can get to Kazmir tomorrow, the series should be winnable in four.
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These startters gotta be getting very, very tired.
I thing it’s crazy to expect anything like the last starts by MB, GF, JD.
I hope I’m wrong.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
full rest this time at least.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Negative waves, man.
Keep ’em to yerself. Chicago Tough. BHB. Remember?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
easy on him. he's taking this hard. remember what the rays' success did to his face?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 2, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd. Big props.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
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