White Sox ALDS Game 1 Fish Wrap
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Phil Rogers draws a parallel between the start of Mark Buehrle's career -- called up in July '00 to start, finished season in pen, came out of pen in playoffs -- and Clayton Richard's debut season with the Sox. Buehrle obviously had better numbers, and was just 21 at the time (Richard is 25), but it's an apt comparison, at least in role. I won't bring up that the swing-man who deserved a playoff start that series, Sean Lowe, didn't get a chance because the series only went three games.Game 1 was the first time I've seen Richard use his slider effectively with the Sox. I missed his first start, remember. He also never really dialed up his fastball as we've seen him do. It was a different style than we've seen from him in a majority of his outings, and even though the Rays seemed to be getting to him as the got to see him a second time, it was a style that's more conducive to long-term major league success.
- Ozzie Guillen all but declared Mark Buehrle the game 5 starter, should there be one.
"We have to sit down and talk about it," Guillen said. "I don't want to lose faith in Javy, but it's something that's on our mind. If we get to a Game 5, I might start with [ Mark] Buehrle. I don't know yet. But you know it's going to be on my mind."
And continues to rain on Carlos Quentin's comeback parade, not that I can disagree with him.
"I don't want to hurt Carlos' feelings because I know when everybody gets to the postseason, everybody wants to be part of that," Guillen said. "I respect his work habit, the way he goes about his business, but it's not going to be easy. If he thinks he's going to take batting practice, and all of a sudden he's playing, I don't know about that one."
Even if Carlos did have his timing back, which is doubtful considering he hasn't seen live pitching in a month, it's unlikely that he'd have his power, which has been his biggest, most surprising asset in a White Sox uniform.
- Nick Swisher is expected to start in LF in place of Dewayne Wise as the Sox face a left-handed starter in Scott Kazmir in game 2. Now, if only Brian Anderson would find his way to CF before the 8th inning.
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Disappointing to lose Game 1.
Not devastating. In fact, the only real outcome I had in my mind from this game was “I can’t wait until the Twinks play on grass.”
Go get ’em tomorrow, boys.
Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?
by defensive indifference on
Oct 3, 2008 12:51 AM CDT
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Griffey is starting against Kazmir?
You have to be shitting me.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Oct 3, 2008 12:55 AM CDT
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unacceptable
come on Ozzie
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on
Oct 3, 2008 1:25 AM CDT
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guess ozzie thinkgs he can only sub out one OF at a time
might as well stick with the guy that can play some D and has been productive lately.
oh wait.
by Trooper on
Oct 3, 2008 1:59 AM CDT
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He'll do a great job trying to win his first WS ever
With three K’s and a double play.
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Oct 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Anderson in 6 PAs vs, Kazmir:
5 SO
6th was no good either.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 5:27 AM CDT
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0-3 3 k's 9 sliders low and away
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Oct 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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for griffey today that is
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Oct 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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i called that yesterday on one of the threads, not because it should be, but because i really believe in ozzie's head playoffs + future first ballot hof on bench = system overload blue screen of death does not compute.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on
Oct 3, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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Kazmir didn't finish the season well
But OC, Thome, and Swish are a combined 5-48 against him with one double
by 3E8 on
Oct 3, 2008 1:10 AM CDT
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what happened to 2005?
I’m not used to this losing playoff games bullshit.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on
Oct 3, 2008 1:20 AM CDT
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We did lose one.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on
Oct 3, 2008 8:01 AM CDT
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We've lost as many as we did in '05. No worries.
by Dongfang Hong on
Oct 3, 2008 8:11 AM CDT
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That was the one game i didn't watch
had to be in class for a test.
And 1 was not enough for me to get used to it.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on
Oct 3, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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i don't think the donger is saying get used to it
he’s saying don’t sweat it
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Oct 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Right you are.
One loss isn’t much. We win tonight, and we’re back to square 1, with homefield advantage.
by Dongfang Hong on
Oct 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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is there a reason why the griffey in center hasn't had any traction in the media?
is this one of those “we can’t criticize someone otherwise we’d lose access” deals?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Oct 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT
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*the general
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Oct 3, 2008 1:32 AM CDT
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I thought the score
covered it a bit, no? Definitely not getting the attention it needs though…
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on
Oct 3, 2008 1:33 AM CDT
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How can you 'dis a HOF'er?
There has been no traction because no one wants to say the Emporer has no clothes, no bat, no legs, or no arm. Ozzie is forcing the “KG was a big contributor during the playoffs” issue. Fodder for the parade, nothing more. IMO, Griffey should sit and stay there.
"Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. "
by thekever on
Oct 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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dear general

at defense now-a-days. BA should start.
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Oct 3, 2008 1:45 AM CDT
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Very interesting pitching matchup today.
Career / Year
Buehrle has not done VG in this Dome - 4.79 / 5.54 ERA
Vs Sox (home and away) Kazmir has much better #s - 3.34 / 2.08, in less than 40 innings total.
Very recent past
Since Aug 1, Kazmir has a 4.55 ERA in 57.1 innings – Some very good games, some very bad games. Not sure what’s going on.
Buehrle’s last 6 starts – all QSs, 2.30 ERA in 39.1 innings.
I’m concerned about Mark’s stamina, 640 pitches in the last 6 starts.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 6:09 AM CDT
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burls will be fine
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Oct 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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I'm not worried about Buehrle's arm now
but there may be some lingering effects next year (see: second half, 2006)
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Oct 3, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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We'll be sure to credit you in 10 months.
Here. Now. Focus.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on
Oct 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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10 months out for credit? sounds about right.
the sox out-talled their opponent.
by larry on
Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Are you at WU's sipping Bloody Marys on his deck?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on
Oct 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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they each have a laptop...replying to the same comments....how cuuuute. :P
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Oct 3, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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Mom better be there, Larry.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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WU and larry poolside

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on
Oct 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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She can't go on short rest. He covered this yesterday
she’ll be ready for game 3. This one is up to Larry and Larry alone.
by Crede's Crew on
Oct 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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ok, baba. can do.

brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on
Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Javy...
…sucks. I’m not sure anyone expected any more out of him. He has done a great job of living down to expectations. Game two will be much different. Buehrle is much more of a gamer and can certainly hold runners on first better.
"Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. "
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Oct 3, 2008 8:03 AM CDT
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Mental midget
But I expected the Sox to lose that game so no big surprise. Have to get them in the 2nd one.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
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by Tdogg on
Oct 3, 2008 8:15 AM CDT
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burls is gonna come through today and the offense will find a way to scratch off some runs against kazmir
paulie has a big day and fatty redeems….orca continues to piss off though
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
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Matchup: White Sox (89-74) at Rays (97-65), 6:07 p.m. ET, TBS
Probable Starters: Mark Buehrle (218 2/3 IP, 4.36 RA, 1.34 WHIP, 140 K) vs. Scott Kazmir (152 1/3, 3.60, 1.27, 166)
Pythagorean Record: Chicago, 89-74 (811 RS, 729 RA); Tampa Bay, 92-70 (774 RS, 671 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Chicago, #10; Tampa Bay, #3
Series Favorite: Rays, 69.2%
Prospectus: The Rays got the win in their first-ever playoff game yesterday, in large part thanks to a pair of homers from their first-year third baseman. Evan Longoria added to his burgeoning rookie ledger by becoming the second player to homer in his first two post-season at-bats, joining another third baseman, Gary Gaetti, who did so for the Twins in 1987. Longoria also picked up an RBI single, making him the fourth player to collect at least nine total bases and three RBI in his post-season debut, along with Ted Kluszewski, Ken Griffey Jr., and Todd Walker. Longoria also stole a bag, and the Rays will likely stay active on the basepaths against a Chicago team inept at holding runners.
Now Longoria and his mates will try to take control of the series in this Game Two battle between left-handers. As Nate Silver pointed out in yesterday’s series preview, Tampa Bay’s one real weakness is an inability to hit southpaws. The Rays’ offense is worse against left-handers than any of the other playoff offenses, with a 726 OPS that ranked 22nd in the majors this year, and that was in evidence yesterday: after the Rays jumped all over Javier Vazquez early on, Chicago rookie lefty Clayton Richard came out of the pen to hold Tampa Bay scoreless for 3 1/3. The Rays’ diminished capacity against southpaws has been mitigated somewhat by the return of Rocco Baldelli, who will be in the lineup tonight, either at designated hitter or right field, with both Cliff Floyd and Gabe Gross going to the bench. Joe Maddon has a pair of switch-hitting options in Ben Zobrist and Fernando Perez for his outfield, and he could also sit down left fielder Carl Crawford to give his lineup four right-handed bats across the outfield/DH positions, although Crawford may get the nod based upon his lifetime numbers against Buehrle (10-for-21). Baldelli has also had success against Buehrle, as he homered and doubled in his one start against the lefty this season in late August. And, in point of fact, the Rays actually hit Buehrle well this year, scoring 13 runs off of him in 19 2/3 innings across three starts.
The White Sox lineup will likely also take a different look this evening. Nick Swisher appears to have buried himself in the nether regions of Ozzie Guillen’s doghouse, for he has not had a plate appearance in the past four games, having been relegated to the bench against all right-handers. However, with Kazmir on the mound, Guillen will dust off his underachieving switch-hitter tonight to replace the lefty-swinging Dewayne Wise in left field, and Guillen will likely also tap the right-handed Brian Anderson to play center in place of Griffey. This was the alignment Guillen favored the last two times Chicago faced a southpaw. Swisher’s better side of the plate is the right side, where he has hit for a bit less power over the course of his career but been much more patient; Anderson has eight home runs in 85 plate appearances versus lefties this season, while showing almost no ability to get on base via any other means (he has more than twice as many extra-base hits on the season, 21, as walks, 10). Playing Swisher and Anderson has the added benefit of upgrading Chicago’s outfield defense, which is shaky when Griffey is in center.
Swisher’s presence in the lineup also serves to give Chicago a greater chance to work the pitch count against Kazmir, who has not gone longer than six innings in any of his last 12 starts. The one thing that Swisher excelled at in a down season was tiring pitchers out, as he saw a major league-leading 4.51 pitches per plate appearance. Kazmir threw an average of 4.30 pitches per batter faced, tops among all hurlers with 150 or more innings this season, and was third with 18.1 pitches per inning. Even with an injection of discipline to go with seven righty bats in the lineup, the Sox will have a tough task in getting to Kazmir, who gave up just three runs over 13 innings in his two starts versus Chicago this year.
the sox out-talled their opponent.
by larry on
Oct 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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nether regions of the doghouse?
what?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Oct 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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that was awkwardly phrased, I agree
by Crede's Crew on
Oct 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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Swish BABIP
Does anyone know where to find Swish’s BABIP? I heard the other day that it was ridiculously low, indicating very bad luck. Confirmation, please…
"Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, don't fail us now."
by thekever on
Oct 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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use baseball reference. in their splits.
the sox out-talled their opponent.
by larry on
Oct 3, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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something else i just noticed about swisher...his home/road splits are ridiculous.
home: .878 ops with 19 homers and still only .268 babip
away: . .596 ops with 5 homers and .230 babip
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on
Oct 3, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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Fangraphs also
but my understanding was that his LD% has plummeted too, which would decrease his xBABIP
Why so serious?
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Oct 3, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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highest ld% of his career this year.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on
Oct 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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But it's been in the tank the second half.
It’s his worst stretch since his rookie year, with regards to LD%.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Oct 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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first half must have been one of the unluckiest runs for a player in a while.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on
Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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I dare say the two lefties facing each other
Have pitched just a “little” differently lately.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
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When looking over the entire history of deadline-day trades, one is inevitably reminded that the vast majority of all trades, deadline and otherwise, amount to nothing, with nonentities being swapped for nonentities. This is true even of the big names that are typically dealt from also-rans to contenders around the non-waiver trading deadline of July 31 (and, before that, June 15). For buyers, very few trades have the kind of impact envisioned at the time of their consummation: a marked improvement at the position the acquiring team is upgrading and a boost into the postseason.
It is for this reason that the trades made by the Angels, Brewers, Dodgers, Red Sox, and White Sox around this year’s deadline are notable. Each of these clubs acquired a veteran. Three of the five received extraordinary performances from their acquisitions, and all five made the playoffs. Consider the performances of these players by the simple measure of Wins Above Replacement:
CC Sabathia 6.7
Manny Ramirez 5.6
Mark Teixeira 4.8
Jason Bay 2.5
Ken Griffey Jr. 1.0
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8154
the sox out-talled their opponent.
by larry on
Oct 3, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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OT, but sort of not
follow-up on our Rachel Ray discussion yesterday (we have weird gamethreads)
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1832362
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Oct 3, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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Continuing the Griffey flogging...
I did not watch the game. How did Griffey look on Iwamura’s triple over his head in the third?
"Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, don't fail us now."
by thekever on
Oct 3, 2008 1:23 PM CDT
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If you want to know if BA would have caught it
No.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
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Oct 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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20 - 30 % chance.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
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Oct 3, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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I doubt that
He would have been playing a little more shallow than Grif.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
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Oct 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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but he would have gotten the ball in quicker
and made an out at third!
by ozziesmallballs on
Oct 3, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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Swisher career
Turf .289 .393 .537 .930
Dome .285 .389 .498 .887
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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this year?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
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Turf .155 .300 .241 .541
Dome 175 .307 .286 .592
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Proving he can be bad regardless of playing surface
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on
Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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Wise gets demoted after putting up 3 of the 4 runs yesterday?
Let this simmer for a bit before I totally freak out
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Oct 3, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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14 pa against lefties this year. .286 ops.
71 career pa against lefties since 2002. .495 ops.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on
Oct 3, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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Not mention before that he hadnt done squat for sometime.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
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" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
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Thome vs Kasmir career, 0 - 13, 5 Ks, 0 BB
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 1:55 PM CDT
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Anderson, 0 - 6
Dye, Konerko, Missile all VG.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on
Oct 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
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So the apparent key to today is patience from the lineup?
Fuck that, I want Kazmir to throw 20 pitches, all of them hit for home runs. Unrealistic you say? No, what’s unrealistic is the sucker of life-force Ken Griffey Jr. still starting at CF.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Oct 3, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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No worries friend
BA and Swish both in the starting lineup today, according to the Score
by El Duque's Raft on
Oct 3, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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Who needs Eddie Vedder?
http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/blog/2008/10/02/white-sox-tribute-rap-song-bad-men-wear-black/
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Oct 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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"and the royals still lame"
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Oct 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT
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The quality sucks at the beginning
but overall its catchy, but bad quality.
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Oct 3, 2008 2:56 PM CDT
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I just like the one guy reading the lyrics from his iPhone
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Oct 3, 2008 3:03 PM CDT
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Props to GUS on early season predictions
He predicted 89 wins of the Sox, and division champs.
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