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On Garza and the Taco King

I know they weren't exactly huge factors in the game last night,MLB World Series blog coverage on SB Nation but the continuing narrative that the Matt Garza/Jason Bartlett acquisition was a driving force behind the Rays post-season drive--a narrative we can't refute, by the way--got me thinking, what was our reaction to the Twins-Rays swap? Unfortunately, because the Twins are in the Sox division, and the fact that the Rays had never had a winning season, not many of us bothered to ask what it meant for the Rays. And by not many, I mean only one of us bothered to express more than a sentence about it.

Sorry, Colin.

I'm not sure why the D-Rays are doing this, as most see Young destined for stardom and they've already got Brignac. Why do they need a shortstop? And why do they need pitching now, when Brignac and their young pitchers are about a year away? At a glance (rather than a considered and well researched perspective), it looks like a swap of offense for defense and as far as that goes, I'd almost always take the offense. Harris and Young are likely to be above average at their respective positions and Pridie very well could be the same, though I wouldn't call it likely. Meanwhile, Garza still has some BB rate issues to iron out and got extremely lucky wrt his LD% ceded.

This is a challenge trade, no? The D-Rays think Garza will be more valuable than Young? Obviously, they're in the best position to judge Young, but most were not nearly so turned off on his debut season. Weird.

That, my friends, is how you earn yourself an "Associate Editor" position around here. So keep commenting; you might be next. The pay's great.

While Colin neglected to see the value of Bartlett's defense, that was the only point I bothered to bring up with respect to the trade.

The step down from Bartlett to Harris is a big one for the Twins. They have to be looking at putting him at 2B, right? He's not really a SS. That would have them signing an Eckstein/Izturis to play SS. I'm all for it... Remove the SS from the deal, and I think the Twins win. Add the SS, and all I get is a big ? over my head.

I wasn't outright calling it a win for the Rays--I wasn't thinking about them at all--but I sure as heck didn't understand why the Twins were so eager to give up a young, cost-controlled, solid-OBP, plus-defensive shortstop. Though I significantly softened on that stance a few weeks later when they picked up a guy widely regarded as the best defensive SS in baseball.

I don't think we could have foreseen Adam Everett being non-tendered. That's an excellent pickup for the Twins. Sure he can't hit, but I was really confused by the Harris/Bartlett swap. This allows Harris to move to a less defensive oriented IF position, and maintains (probably improves) the Twins excellent SS defense.

I also called Carlos Quentin "a hope and a prayer" and commented that I wanted a high-OBP LFer in that same thread. So it wasn't exactly a shining moment for me either.

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Isn't the jury still out on Delmon?

That’s the only way my comment weasels it’s way out.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 22, 2008 11:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fuck.

its*

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 22, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Delmon will be very very good

He’s already had two seasons of being league average at the highest level and to put his age into perspective he’s just a couple days older than our top prospect

by 3E8 on Oct 23, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And since I love to talk about me...

To what degree does my inclusion of “At a glance (rather than a considered and well researched perspective)” get me off the hook here? I say completely.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 23, 2008 12:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My first reaction to that trade was fear...

I thought that if the Twins dealt away Garza, there would be no way Santana would be traded.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Oct 23, 2008 12:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting

players we’ve drafted…
eric gagne, tom gorzelanny, jeff weaver, jj putz, mike lowell, placido polanco, nate robertson

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Oct 23, 2008 3:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice reflection, Cheat. Always good when the staff pokes at each other (and not us).

Especially when it sucks watching others play in the Series while we have our hands in our laps.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2008 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wife still not putting out, eh?

this markets is causing all sorts of trouble, people, WU can’t even get his monthly lay!

;) OPOS.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 23, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been 11 days, crackhead.

We have a schedule to keep.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shake it off Colin...

I seem to remember (early in the year), someone saying that Uribe and Ramirez were essentially the same player.

Of course, that could be in terms of value in defense + offense.

by Craig Grebeck on Oct 23, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they were both wearing jersey number 5 one day...this is what che looked like minus the hair

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Oct 23, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

jemele hill thinks manny should get a 2 year deal for $30 million per. he's clutch in the playoffs is why.

"now that my friend is a clear cut case of him or me. and you best believe it ain't gonna be me."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 23, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

she said it's not his fault he was unhappy in boston and deserves to be paid more than a-rod. so probably.

"now that my friend is a clear cut case of him or me. and you best believe it ain't gonna be me."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 23, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She didn't mention "Hitler" this time?

She used to write for the local rag – funny how being seen by Disney folks leads to an ESPN gig. She’s a bit militant.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat, I was scanning the historical thread your referenced

and saw the AFL top 5 last year: Dewan Day, Egbert, Nessie, Sweeney, and Cunningham. What a Murderers Row we had! No wonder we all wanted to shoot ourselves last offseason.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"That, my friends, is how you earn yourself an "Associate Editor" position around here. "

Line of the postseason (and possibly much longer).

Best laugh since GS coinage.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 23, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That board from last year that's linked

is classic stuff. SSH bitching about the Sox missing out on Hunter, clamoring for Johnny Gomes, and everyone certain that Owens was breaking with the parent club. It’s good to see we’ve come so far. I give credit to Q and Che.

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 23, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As has been said many times, Sox MVP -

Jerry Owens groin.

Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.

by ballyb on Oct 23, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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