2009 Defensive Projections

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 12:15 PM CDT Comment 100 comments

O/U on how long until I find out Cheat has written the exact same post and will bury/delete this one: 1 hour.

At his Angels blog, Chone has up his 2009 defensive projections. My understanding is the run values are compared to average per 150 games played. It does not have pitcher or catcher projections, which isn't surprising. Catcher defensive values haven't really been worked through yet. Additionally, it regresses to a run value supplied by the Fan Scouting Report that Tango runs rather than to 0 and features data going back at least 3 years, iirc, from both BIS and Stats Inc. As the title indicates, these are intended to capture true talent going forward rather than merely record performance. Justin Inaz, oft linked by Tango, gives his impressions. Money quote:

So, as far as I'm concerned, these are the best publicly-available defensive ratings you will find. I'd trust them more than UZR, more than PMR, and more than Dewan's +/-, at least when looking at those statistics in isolation. Ideally, we'd use PMR or +/- instead of RZR, and use UZR instead of ZR. But there are usually minimal differences between those choices, at least compared to the differences between the statistics from Baseball Info Solutions (RZR, PMR, and +/-) and Stats Inc (ZR and UZR).

Also, I thought the presentation was a little difficult to work with, so I c/p'd without permission to google docs. It's here and sorted by position, so you can see how everyone stacks up.

Implications For 2009 White Sox

Alexei rates out at just about average at 2B, SS and CF. With only 1 year of data, his rating heavily relies on the FSR. Tango thinks a good deal of the FSR, as you can see. The "rough around the edges but good athlete" conclusion seems most apt. It's looking like Alexei can do better than merely hack it at the hardest positions on the field.
We will likely have another year of crappy fielding in the outfield. Dye and Quentin are projected at -6 and -5 respectively and Swisher is -3 in CF. None of them are total butchers, but collectively they certainly could be one reason why Javy goes Dent on us and threatens to kill some newborns. Or just implode in the 5th again.
Josh Fields' bat has a ton of work to make up his -9 in the field. Uribe still gets a +5 at SS, BA gets a questionable -2, Getz a 1 based on severely limited playing time and Alex Cintron sucks at everything.

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I'll take the over on that

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 27, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Winnah!

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

PS: colin, aren't you going to apologize to Cheat

for not trusting him?

I wouldn’t either. I’d bet he’s being held hostage – has to be the only reason he didn’t 86 your thread.

;)

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

anderson: -2

not quite

by Craig Grebeck on Oct 27, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

general soreness did not fare well.

"and when there is an opportunity, i do not hit. it hits all by itself."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"Alex Cintron sucks at everything."

Truer words have never been spoken.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Oct 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

who was worse: TNT Canoe in 2007 or Cintron in 2008?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

TNT Canoe was worse

but he had a cool nickname!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

it's ok. relax.

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The old butterface trick

I appreciate the twins though.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 27, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is it bad that i didn't even notice her face until i read your comment?

i did see the chesticles, though.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 27, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope, not a bad thing at all

I noticed the beer before her face, fwiw

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 27, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who is that guy?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So basically, we learn that it isn't quite as bad as maybe we thought,

although it could be next year. Not that we need a great defense with our park, as sad as that is.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's definitely true that we have a smaller outfield

which in theory makes the importance of the individual defenders there less. It also means having a good infield defense is more important. Coincidentally (or more likely not), Kenny has never had even a merely average defensive shortstop. Valentin, Uribe and Cabrera all were far better than Alexei projects to be, by 5-15 runs (.5 wins – 1.5 wins).

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Valentin and Uribe maybe

But Cabrera, while good at the beginning of the season wasn’t anything overwhelming. I’ve thought that, because of the combination of poor fundamentals, but good instincts and athleticism(particularly arm), Alexei would be best suited to third. This way he doesn’t have to range to his right so much and botch routine relay plays. Perhaps when Beckham comes up, he’ll be the 3B, but that’s largely undecided. SS seems the best route for Alexei, at least for now. That way, Getz can play 2B(he should be at least average) while Fields gets the opportunity to try to rekindle 2007 success and shit bricks at third. Uribe would fill in the cracks.

No on Durham, there are better options, and Blake will be courted too much by other teams.

How would a Nick Punto signing look?

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just for suggesting Punto I would advise you to be careful

starting your car from now on.

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was average offensively last year.

And has hit better than Uribe two out of the last three. If it comes down to one or the other, I’m taking the nifty gloved, slap hitting white guy.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You will both be sleeping with the fishes, Aqualung.

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

better pump your brakes, kid.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 27, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking "Apollonia NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!" instead.

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All of them were above average by the metrics available

to me. Per UZR and the Fans. And that suggested infield would be terrible. Using the above projections specifically, that’s a -11 for a Konerko-Getz-Alexei-Fields infield and as a group they project no better than average at the plate on top of that, with Fields, Getz and Konerko all having significant downside. Heck, even Alexei’s only done this for a season so far. That could collapse into pure suck pretty rapidly.

Assuming the above numbers (rather than the downside) play out and If we in addition field an outfield of Quentin-Swisher-Dye, that could very well be 90 runs above average offensively and -14 defensively. Not including pitching, catching or dh, that core would actually still be 65 runs above average in aggregate (90 + 0 – 14 – 11). Assuming average pitching, catching and dh, that’s 65/10 = 6.5 wins above average, or an 87.5 win team.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

An 87.5 win team...

without making any moves, suggests were at a decent spot right now I’d think. KW is usually good for at least one offseason move. I imagine we’ll upgrade at least one position.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 27, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

3rd Base is the one place that needs long term investment

other than perhaps catcher and I think you would see something in the vein of the Swisher trade if KW has the bullets. I’m guessing he doesn’t, since I think Poreda is already figuring into big league plans and the Sox suddenly have a pitching deficit thanks to Contreras’ achilles. Neither Allen or Shelby are at a useful value right now, even collectively. MIs are getting fairly little on the open market and Getz-like players are not rare. I’m pretty sure the organization loves Beckham too much to give him up as a PTBNL. It will be interesting to see what Kenny can cook up.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I’m not saying we’re going to pick up A-Rod, but I’d think we can add a couple wins with an average free agent or smaller trade over what we get from Getz.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suddenly a pitching deficit?

Who really counted on Count pre-rupture? I think that’s why Poreda has not been rushed into a David Price-like role thus far, don’t you?

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Count had a rebound year

and his performance got us a long way toward the playoffs. Being able to throw strikes with his fastball with the velo he had was pretty much enough to get him back in the Solid Starter category. In any case, it was a sudden gap of something like 50 starts over the next year and a half that someone was going to have to take. Contreras was under significant contract and while he may have been dealt post 2008 that doesn’t mean Poreda was his definite 2009 replacement.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How many times had he been on the shelf since 2006?

I don’t think too many folks considered him a “lock” to be counted on (unintentional poor pun) for the 2009 rotation – just an albatross contract we’d have to endure.

And he had a partial rebound 1/2 year. I wouldn’t crow about that.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Count's 4.21 FIP put him at his PECOTA 75th percentile for 120 IP

He has a career 4.40 FIP and his 2007 4.71 (certainly not terrible) happened to coincide with a BABIP spike, more than 30 points above his career average. His FIP – ERA was the second least (read: unluckiest) among qualified AL starters. We saw old age creeping up and assumed he was completely gassed, but if there’s one thing that Kenny clearly values is getting innings out of his starters. When was the last time we weren’t near the top of the league in starts per unique starter? 2004 and 2001 are likely culprits, but aside from that, if Kenny names you a starter as of opening day, that’s a big point in your favor.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i did.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So? You lost.

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by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what I lost? He got hurt.

I bet I would have won if he would have stayed healthy. I am still crushed by this loss to the rays knowing that with a healthy Count, Crede and Carlos, that, we would have would be in the world series right now.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

isn't that sort of what happens with injury prone guys? they get hurt?

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would've won had I not lost.

Great logic.

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by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"injury prone" ?

isn’t that along the same lines as being “clutch”?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 28, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

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by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Were we watching the same "beginning of the season"?

I though Cabrerra sucked in the early going, then gradually improved to mostly excellent.
Or am I not reading your post correctly?

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Oct 27, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh, yeah

my head works funny like that. I think he sort of sucked, then was really good, and then leveled off at the end of the season. at least metrics would support that, because I don’t think he was so awful at the beginning of the season alone to warrant canceling out what he did thereafter.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FA question

“would Ray Durham and Casey Blake be reasonable FA signings for the Sox?”

I don’t think so (durham no for sure since we have a dozen 2B guys, blake no but not so sure)

what do you think?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

who is a part of this dozen?

i see one currently signed. two, perhaps, if you don’t believe alexei will be the SS.

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 27, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah

strike the “we have a dozen” part from the question

what’s your opinion now?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my preliminary offseason plan assumed the sox would be getting a one year veteran caddy for getz.

there are plenty of cheap alternatives out there at the position so it’s not a bad thought.

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 27, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

would durham take a 1-year deal?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

probably not if someone offers him a 2-year deal.

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

most likely that's what he'll get.

though i’d be concerned that his offense doesn’t quite overcome his poor defense any longer. he’s really bad in the field now.

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 28, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was supposed to be to wiz re: one year deal

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 28, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would give Crede another chance...

before I put my eggs in Blake’s basket.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like you are a chick, SoB.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Needed a fix

Thanks for this.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Oct 27, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fat Dominican if he stays, wimpy white guy, unready southern dude, and the Cuban runaway, if you count him

that’s 3.5

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

so we're counting minor leaguers who are more than a year away, free agents, and guys who won't be playing that position.

got it.

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 27, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey guy, t'wasn't I who made the comment.

Again, I’m just throwin’ it out there, I have no reservations with Kenny signing the piranha.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So it's settled. A battle royale between Alex Cintron and Ronnie Belliard it is.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dave Cameron: Free Agent Bargain: Jeremy Affeldt

Based on 2008, Affeldt has shown an entirely new skillset as compared to his major league career, adding a couple of ticks to both his fastball and curve, which have transformed him into one of the game’s best left-handed relievers. Because his curve is a legitimate second pitch, he shows almost no platoon split, and is equally effective against both LHB and RHBs. His stuff is clearly closer-worthy, and while he has no experience as the 9th inning guy, some smart team would be wise to give him a two or three year contract for setup man money and watch him blossom into one of the game’s best relief aces.

There’s a good case to be made that Jeremy Affeldt is the best reliever available this winter, while most of baseball has no idea who he is.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/free-agent-bargain-jeremy-affeldt/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he throws hard right?

he’s probably on kenny’s radar then.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

depends...

do we think Logan can remember how to pitch for a full season? or will he go Aardsma on us again?

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ex-royal, too. i'd say there's a good chance we see him in a sox uniform.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Oct 27, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we do love to steal nothing from the royals

it’d be nice if it worked out for once.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you don't want to talk to me son

“He wanted to talk to me,” Singletary said. “I told him he did not want to talk to me.”

http://deadspin.com/5069171/mike-singletary-will-surely-kill-someone-before-the-year-is-out

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you see this? Ultimate cringe inducing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ILQbByawE&eurl=http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ozzie . . .

Can u get another team in the fantasy league?

by Option27 on Oct 27, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're already in the league aren't you?

I’m keeping it at 10, last time some idiot left and screwed up the draft (that I admittedly forgot about).

The draft is at 7:30 tonight, so don’t forget!

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 27, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Singletary is a force of nature

awesomeness.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love that guy!

When the 49ers elect not to bring him back for next season, can the Bears hire him? Please, please, oh pretty please?

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Oct 27, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Assessing the 2009 Tampa Bay Rays Bullpen

This confirms our suspicions: while some of these guys are very good pitchers, nearly all outperformed their xFIP – by a lot. Even if xFIP is underrating these guys for some reason (which, while possible, is not particularly likely), it’s unlikely that xFIP is underrating them by that much. In other words, it’s quite likely that these pitchers will see their ERAs rise in 2009.

The Rays have some quality pitchers in their bullpen – particularly Balfour and Howell. However, nearly all of their relievers benefitted from random fluctuation in 2008, leading to a bullpen that performed much better as a unit than we would expect. Look for the Rays bullpen to regress, perhaps significantly, in 2009.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/27/647106/assessing-the-2009-tampa-b

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i feel like i've seen this happen before somewhere...

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With guys like Price moving into the rotation though, creating a spot in the bullpen for guys like Jackson can we really assume the bullpen will fall off all that much? They seem to have plenty of good young pitchers to fill those spots.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, that article seems to assume those players will still all be in the bullpen.

and not replaced, at whatever point, by some of their guys in the minors.

and jackson will most likely be traded, not sent to the bullpen. he costs too much.

"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."

by larry on Oct 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because he's arb eligible?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So it's settled. Edwin Jackson. Clayton Kershaw.

One team. One spot. Coming to you this spring. One will be immortalized in fifth starter fame- the other? WAIT AND SEE

I honestly think Jackson is a KW like acquisition and a Cooper friendly project. Of course, he isn’t that great to start with and hasn’t learned much since he came into the league. Still, he could be picked up for not a whole lot.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

EJ: Flashes of brilliance. Toolsy. Size. Success against the Sox.

I think Coop could work with him.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Oct 27, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d think he could at least be like a right-handed Thornton, of course being left-handed has a lot to do with his success.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

being a lefty doesn't have much to do with Thornton's success

his heat is as good as anyone’s in baseball, regardless of hand. he doesn’t have significant disadvantage against RHB in any case.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and easy heat even knows how to use the reply button

The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.

by U-God on Oct 27, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats dandy

but jackson has just as much heat packin’, and has been lit up out of the bullpen. Even Joe Blanton can hit that straight bullet out of the yard. It might have to do with the fact that Thornton comes at you at a better angle, and uses his height as leverage, whereas Jackson sort of wastes it. Either way, Jackson has lacked inspiring results of any kind during his whole career, regardless of relieving or starting. I’m sure Doc could give him some sort of cure with enough time, but he’s already arb eligible and has nothing more than an average ERA over 180 innings and a 1.5 whip…

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 27, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh lord!

someone located the button!!!

by BoeJouma on Oct 27, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you look up, you'll see it's an on again, off again relationship between db and the reply button.

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.

by U-God on Oct 27, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by colintj on Oct 27, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think colin pulled a fast one on you.

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how so?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 27, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

best line of joe sheehan's recap of last night's blowout...

Longoria’s tag made full contact with Rollins’ behind in a manner that would probably get you slapped in a bar.

"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."

by Toonderstrook on Oct 27, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm too cool for these lame stats

I think Alexei was pretty fucking good in the field. Just my opinion.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 27, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

take it to vegas, Alexei Ramirez=GG at SS next season

cuz KenWo says so

The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.

by U-God on Oct 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs