Rain Stops Series, MLB Gets One Right
by The Cheat on Oct 27, 2008 10:33 PM CDT
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Congrats to Major League Baseball.
It's not often that Bud Selig and Co. are the subjects of praise by baseball fans, but the weather in Philadelphia helped highlight a little-known rule change (as in, I didn't know about it) that seems much more fair than the alternative.
Without going into the rule book, because I'd like to make this a stream-of-conscious post, the rule change, first implemented in 2007, now allows a game to be suspended after a half-inning without reverting back to the score from the previous full-inning. That means that were tonight's game between the Phils and Rays back in '06, and the game stopped after the top of the 6th, the Phillies would be World Series Champs right now because the score would have reverted to that at the end of the 5th.
Could you imagine the outrage around here if the Sox lost a regular season game like that? Now how about a postseason game? Or a World Series elimination game?
So Kudos to MLB for getting one right.
[Update by The Cheat, 10/27/08 10:53 PM CDT]: Just watched the press conference. Selig said that if the game was stopped early with the Phils holding onto a 1-run lead, they would have been in a rain delay "for as long as it takes," whether than meant hours or days. No time has been given for the resumption of play, and it sounds like conditions tomorrow could possibly push the game into Wednesday.
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selig also said that had the rays not tied the game before the delay
the game would have just been delayed for as long as needed, even if it was for a few days. i liked hearing that
by goods17 on Oct 27, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's great but...
of course it also raises the specter of the Phillies winning the championship to the tune of 1000 people in the stands and another half million watching at 3AM in the morning.
Why don’t they just change the rules to require that a game has to go 9 innings to be official in the playoffs? Certainly in this day and age of million dollar drainage systems and airplanes that can quickly shuttle teams across the country they could do that.
The TV folks would probably have mixed feelings but you make the sell that the worst case scenario is what could have happened last night.
by madvillian on Oct 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don't really need to change the rules when that's the defacto rule.
there’s never been a world series game that hasn’t gone nine innings. and there never will be. in this day and age, you can probably expand that defacto rule to any playoff game.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 pm
Game 5 will resume in the bottom of the sixth inning Tuesday on FOX at 8 p.m. ET, weather permitting.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/029973.php
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Oct 27, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now I have something to watch in the event the bulls look like shit early
(thank you NBA League pass free 1 week preview!)
by Crede's Crew on Oct 28, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Rays are in a better position than the Fils now re: tonight's game.
They are starting to do what they’ve done all year – win with their backs to the wall.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tom tango, somewhat self-servingly, points out a very good deal on some offseason reading material.
baseball between the numbers, the baseball economist, and the book (tango’s book) for less than $29 from amazon. i hadn’t realized the first two had become so cheap. if i ran this blog, people would be required to take tests based upon the material in these books before being permitted to post. but i’m a dick like that. you should read them because they’re very interesting and informative and you’ll enjoy them. and it’s the offseason and real baseball fans read baseball books in the offseason.
if you like tango’s blog and want to help him, use the link below and he gets a kickback. otherwise, you can of course just go directly to amazon.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And where's your cut?
I can’t believe that you would promote something like this for free. It is clearly not in your heart as you clearly have no heart, given that you are a lawyer.
And don’t give me some bullshit about how you wouldn’t have to deal with idiotic statements if everyone read the books as we all know that’s not true. After all, I would still be posting here (and so would WU, et al.).
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 28, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the books have pictures?
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wooh -- I just bought The Baseball Economist a few weeks ago
and now that I’m through Ron Paul’s book I may actually have to crack that one open.
by CWSKeith on Oct 28, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lar, if you don't mind me asking...
which one would you suggest be read first? Thanks in advance.
by palehose67 on Oct 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd read tango's book first.
baseball between the numbers is longer but also lends itself to being read in different bites and not necessarily in the order it was written because it’s more a collection of essays from different authors.
also, some people complain that there’s more “math” than they want in these books. while i think most of the authors in these do a good job of explaining things in plain english most of the time, if you’re not the type who cares and/or has the aptitude for math, just skip over those parts. the conclusions and analysis is often more important to the average fan than how those conclusions were necessarily reached.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Larry.
I went to law school to avoid math, but I can probably tolerate this kind of math.
by palehose67 on Oct 28, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're new to sabermetrics, i wouldn't start with Tom's book -- it's on the heavy side
i’d go with the BBTN one or the Pete Palmer classic, The Hidden Game of Baseball
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recently bought baseball between the numbers and am lumbering through it...
…due to the massive amount of boring as fuck reading that goes along with being a history major.
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Business is worse
This semester I’m taking 18 credits of all business classes. That includes such “exciting” reading material as operations and supply chain management, marketing (and boy do I loathe marketing — it seems like every fucking person in the business school is a fucking marketing major, cripes) and accounting. I’m kind of different in that I don’t mind accounting so much (probably why I’m majoring in it), but damn are a good deal of these other classes ever so dry (not econ — econ is good fun, too).
by CWSKeith on Oct 28, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least you'll have relevant knowledge in the real world...
whereas i’ll either be a college professor or the shift coordinator at t.g.i. friday’s explaining the complexities of the churchill white paper to a bunch of teenagers.
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 28, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for those of you planning your evenings, word on the street is that the game won't be restarting tonight, but wednesday.
unclear whether game six will be pushed to thursday or friday.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if the phils don't close it out in game 5 that hamels likely will be available on short rest if the game goes friday, right?
especially since he only threw ~60 pitches last night iirc.
"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 28, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which game.
i doubt they’d bring him back early for game six. seems more prudent to keep him on regular rest for a game seven. don’t know how mlb is going to schedule it, however. it seems certain they’d play a game thursday since one was scheduled anyway. actually, i shouldn’t say mlb. i should say, does fox want a game seven on friday or saturday.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aj 21st best catcher?
and (throwing salt on cheat’s open wound) kurt suzuki 6th.
and beware the indians and rangers – catching depth will serve them well.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/28/648315/best-catchers-of-2008
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i love how these links get posted in random articles at this blog
and i’m serious about that — it amuses me every time. thanks for the link! LF’s are up tomorrow and Quentin makes the top five. barely.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just how we do things here.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spoiler alert would have been nice
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 28, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a loser who likes numbers way too much
Baseball is won with heart, toughness, and an undisclosed amount of grit.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 28, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what percentage of winning is due to heart, toughness, and grit?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
strip club next to safeco? seattle knows how to be.
i foresee a MM and larry visit in seattle’s future. watch out.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008319559_stripclub28m.html?syndication=rss
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the port slut cannot be happy about this development.
"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 28, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She can work the park across the street...
More potential customers in one place? How can this not be good for her?
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant larry making a visit to seattle.
"calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you're not one."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah. makes sense now.
Btw, just got an email from TangoTiger re the newsletter. How did he get the addy?
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't hear from me for more than a couple days, send a search team for my body parts around the Puget Sound.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 28, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please - did you ever think she just received a nice (cash) injection
like from a pvt. equity fund? She’s expanding – good business sense to invest when blood’s in the street.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he called her 'port slut'
of course he thought she just received a nice injection.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess I'll have to take it up a notch.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 28, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, given the neighborhood that is Sodo, a nudie bar would fit right in...
This is my Sodo hang-out, since I’m in the ’hood for work.
The nudie bar is slated to go right across the street.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 28, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor WU....
Major League Baseball has just announced that the final three innings of Game 5 of the World Series will be resume at 8:37pm on Wednesday night. The game was suspended on account of the weather, with the score knotted at 2-2. The Tampa Bay Rays must win this game to stave off elimination and send the series back down to Tampa.
As I noted this morning, there’s probably no man in America happier about all this than David Axelrod. And it’s not (just) because the passionate Cubs fan has it in for the Phillies. Rather, it’s because Obama’s roadblocked half-hour program is set to air on CBS, NBC, and FOX on Wednesday night (ABC dithered until it missed its chance). That’s why the usual start-time of the game on Fox has been pushed from 8:20 to 8:37pm. The Series delivers high ratings in some hard-to-reach demographics, but is a particularly big draw in the teams’ home markets. For Game 1, also on a Wednesday night, 31.57% of all households in Tampa/St. Pete tuned in, as well as 35.7% of households in the Philadelphia media market. (It also played extraordinarily well in Orlanda, Ft. Myers, and West Palm Beach.) That’s an awful lot of swing-state viewers who’ll turn on their televisions to catch the start of the game, and find Obama delivering his closing message. Enough to make even a long-suffering Cubs fan find a little love for the neophyte Rays.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/flyontnewall/2008/10/obama-hits-one-out-of-the-park.php
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation
Is Cheat seeing any money from this transaction?
by Off the bus running on Oct 28, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
$2.4M
So long suckas!
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 28, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this mean colin will be the new cheat?
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 28, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no mention of DailyKos?
I thought SBN was Markos’ brainchild?
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i bet kristin is hot.
Objectively studying baseball…
Hi!
I’m Kristin, a University of Pennsylvania psychology student who recently read Moneyball and has designed an honors thesis in light of it. My thesis focuses on developing an objective scale to measure clutch performance in baseball, a frequently used descriptor but not something that has truly been quantified. To supplement this scale, I have also created an online survey about fans’ opinions of several baseball players. It would be great if some of you could help me out and take the survey! Here is some information:
What is “clutch”? What players are considered “clutch” performers? What players are “gritty” or have natural talent? Are these players also “clutch”? These frequently cited terms in the game of baseball have never been objectively studied, but I am trying to change that. I have created a survey asking about some Major League players’ characteristics and it would be great if some of you, being huge baseball fans, could fill it out! It should only take a maximum of 15 minutes. Also, I would love to hear any comments that you have about my survey! Thanks so much for all your help!
Here is the website for my survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VUWValhJzb65tk1lZoMMEQ_3d_3d
Kristin
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/28/648535/objectively-studying-baseb
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this survey is fucking sweet.
the first question asks you to rank players, such as alex rodiriguez, on a scale from “not at all gritty” to “extremely gritty”.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, its novel to see someone tackling the psychosoc factors
she could link the dataset of the survey results with known, quantitative, statistics… she should collect some demographics on the survey participants though…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 28, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
written by someone who hasn't completed the survery...
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed, haha
i finished it, i recommended that she links race and gender to the demo questions as well
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 28, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does she ask:
“Can a player be grindy or gritty if he isn’t white”?
If not, I’m not clicking through.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should point this fact out to her in the comments; she may have overlooked this.
and of course you can rank all non-white players as “not at all gritty”. i mean, that’s what i did.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coco crisp is not gritty!?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 28, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jacoby ellsbury is super gritty
trail of tears and what not
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 28, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not nearly as gritty as count chocula.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 28, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoodie = Kristin with a wing-wang.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our favorite communist getting the times treatment
click here
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 28, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looks better there than on tv!
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's partially obscured?
Hope he is cashing in on his 15 minutes…
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 28, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll have more than 15 minutes (if he wants it)
He proved his worth by nailing many of the Dem primaries before he started 538. And if he’s not blowing smoke about 1M visitors/day, that’s pretty impressive. His commentary is usually excellent, and bias is always fully disclosed.
But then I’m prejudiced: we’re pulling for the same result!
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. unfortunately we've largely lost nate to something more lucrative than baseball.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think he'll become a private consultant at this rate?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 28, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i really hope he doesn't
he’s a voice of independent sanity that i would really miss. he’s got an opportunity to be a very interesting and valuable public figure if he wants to be.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 28, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if I mentioned this before
Good friend of mind from college moved to Chicago and into the same Wicker Park duplex as Nate. They often would find themselves outside smoking on the porch together. He says Nate is a humble guy (if a bit socially awkward, gee who could see that coming, hehe) who is very sharp (again, seems obvious).
He did say one time Nate stumbled into his apartment on the lower floor thinking it was his own. Perhaps Nate was just tired and delirious from crunching so many numbers!
by madvillian on Oct 28, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mad Dog had a great rant on his Sirius show today
Was just ripping into Fox for not getting the info from MLB about how they planned to handle the “what if Pena doesn’t get a hit” scenarios. I live in New York and have loved Mike and the Mad Dog since I moved here a few years ago, but I have to say that Mike sucks without the Mad Dog but the Mad Dog is almost just as compelling without Mike.
by madvillian on Oct 28, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused about your post - what info from mlb?
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this?
But in his postgame media conference, Selig said that he made a judgment call before the game began, and informed officials of both teams, that he would not allow a rain-shortened game to take place in the World Series, no matter how long it meant waiting.
(Meaning, so what if the Rays hadn’t tied it. The Phils would have to win in 9.)
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right?
the game was going nine innings. if they didn’t tie it, selig would have used his best interests powers. i take it i’m just reading about another dumb talk radio guy trying to manufacture controversy?
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so. Never heard either Mad Mike MV refers to, but your take seems right.
Unless the OP was directed more at Fox?
IDC.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 28, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i didn't stick around long enough to see or care what fox asked selig, if they did indeed interview him.
i read what selig said both in announcing the suspension of play and in the news conference and it seemed pretty clear that he was going to use his powers to ensure nine innings. i guess IDC either.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 28, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad Dog is great guys, this isn't Colin Cowherd here
Harpers has done a piece on him. Not that makes him smart and relevent, but he’s better than 99% of the guys out there.
What happened was Miejers from Fox was interviewing Bob Dupey, president of MLB, as the Rays were batting in the 5th. Somehow he failed to ask Bob what MLB planned to do should the game be delayed and the rays not score.
check olut this mad dog rant against the giants, so funny, so true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ba2U5UrjMA
by madvillian on Oct 28, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/10/28/648590/white-sox-sign-jayson-nix
AIM: SouthSideCheat
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