Afternoon Link Dump
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT
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Wiz and anyone else, feel free to put anything good you find in here. Those of you without posting access just link to to it in the comments.
- Best LF of 2008 - Beyond the Boxscore continues its look at the best players by position. Q! comes in at number 5 and gets the "overrated" tag. His defensive reputation and assorted other metrics make it unlikely he's actually 15 runs below replacement level at playing left. Fortunately, the dude who wrote this pops up every now and then and can sort out whether I understand his D scores properly. In any case, Q! tied for the second best offensive output in MLB by their measure and I think that more accurately reflects his performance.
- FIP+ AL Central - More from BtB, this time a division by division look at FIP performances relative to average. Javy obviously badly underperformed relative to his peripherals and has a history of doing so, so feel free to ignore that one. On the other hand, FIP is highly predictive for basically everyone else. I don't blame Kenny for not knowing he had one of the few pitchers in the league for whom FIP isn't descriptive. Rearden and I checked out FIP. Basically unless you consistently get unlucky with things like LOB%, your ERA will eventually gravitate toward FIP. What an enigma.
- Alan Nathan summarizes Pitch F/x progress - From Tango's Book blog, it's a powerpoint file, so be prepared to deal with that.
- MVP Candidates and Total Year Production - Chris Dial uses a similar diagnosis method as the BtB guys and gets out his google spreadsheet to look at the offensive and defensive contributions in terms of runs above average (it appears).
- THT Interviews Carlos Gomez - Larry's favorite internet talking head turned D-Backs scout gets interviewed by THT. Not especially enlightening, though we get the kind of background details about him that would have been nice when he was a nobody penning stuff for THT.
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so could this be the Q!nicorn taking on BtB?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://msp16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/Bellwitch/Cat%20Macros/Workinghardhardlyworking.jpg
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you sure fucked that up
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
just noticed that
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even kinda close, really.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not really sure what went wrong
apparently my computer and hands don’t want me to get into a battle of wits with larry.
so my ass went down in the first round
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd say you failed to even show up.
you can’t put links in the subject.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting into a battle of wits with larry
is usually pretty fruitless unless you’re oblique and purposefully try to obfuscate your point. otherwise you just end up dissecting sentences you hardly paid attention to when you hit “reply”
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where the hell did you even get that?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its from altered beast
the old arcade game
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, you keep posting them and we'll keep ignoring them!
Just kidding (of course), just nothing personal to add.
And U-God and larry:
I’m only seeing a red X where the pictures should be. If it were my browser I wouldn’t have seen Cheat’s pic of Ozzie in the last thread.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin posted it
To be born an Englishman is to win first
prize in the lottery of life
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah. didn't expect the lad to be up this early so assumed it was Cheat.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're nothing really worth seeing
larry’s calling me out on sucking. which frankly i have been lately
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than being lardy (I guess).
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's sucky lardy
so its even worse. it was a busy week, so i’m a little fried. not really an excuse.
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading is for assholes anyway, right?
you keep on trucking, OHPOS
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm spoiled by all the (almost) pictures.
speaking of reading, just installed Stanza on the phone. Lots of reading to do on the train…
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stanza?
not familiar with it.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
free book reader in the app store
with 1000’s of free books to download.
I’m starting with Sherlock Holmes, then on to some pulp fiction.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It reads the books for you?
so you don’t have to?
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
sounds cool. it’s on my to-do list. i don’t know how into Brian Eno you are (that seems like a 20something fetish, imo), but he’s got a 3 dollar app in the store right now that’s a neat little ambient music generator/interface.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, saw it. And I know/liked Eno's production of some James tracks.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laid, specifically.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i <3 music for airports.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20somethings/30goingon12someethings
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
young airports
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you checked out/plan on checking out the new bloc party?
u.s. physical release not same as august download.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have never given them a chance
and think they suck.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i heard a little ssh in you just there.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my response to things that are popular
is either to also check it out or without ever listening to it dismiss it as stupid and to think badly of those that like it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my typical response as well. you can pretend you gave them a listen befoar they got popular, though.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also on the music scene, is the new Oasis worth a listen?
by CWSKeith on Oct 29, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what i've heard from folks
the answer, surprisingly, is yes.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're a fan of Analcunt then
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 29, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had that CD for better than a month -- if I'd've known I would've gotten it to you (some way or another) when I got it
I’m kind of with Colin, although I wouldn’t go so far as to say they suck. I just can’t get into them fully, although they have a couple of tracks that I’m somewhat fond of.
Lately I’ve been listening to some folk-y shit — Tim Barry, Chuck Ragan stuff. I’d almost say it’s country music but that gives the sense that it’s all “Chevy, yee-haw!”, “patriotism, woo-hoo!” and more commercialized, uninspiring bullshit (which it’s not), so I’ll just say it’s good whiskey-drinkin’ music.
by CWSKeith on Oct 29, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
methinks we need to start having a regular music fanpost.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe a weekly one or something?
if i ever find a couple people who actually write well about music, i’m going to try to convince SBN to try to run one. but the state of music writing sucks balls right now.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it surely won't improve with my contributions.
but i do think a weekly post on the sidebar here is a good idea just so people can contribute the names of what’s new and what they’re listening to. and maybe a few pitchfork disses and av club raves as well.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure there are fellow SBNers with skillz
but it just doesn’t come up, what with it being a SPORTS blog nation.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and remarks from hoodie regarding all the shite we listen to.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i yield to you, o associate editor, if you want to make the first weekly post.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh fuck it i'll do it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just did it.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, cheat.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah no kidding right?
at least you know what i feel like after i half-ass a post at 3 that i wanted to have up at 11 am only to see it bahleted.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they all in the public domain?
or are there some privately owned things in there?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chiburb = hippie?
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure. in a Leonard Cohen kind of way. WU is more like Will Geer.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone had to learn john boy the things his pappy wouldn't.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite ep was when john-boy left home because
he didn’t like how he was being reared.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not enough lube?
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I just read Will's Wiki.
Gay, Communist, with a Master’s from U of Chicago, actor.. Thanks for the compliment. A pretty worldly guy.
Toonder, your “reared” joke was right on the mark.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 29, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin's -15 score
That’s actually defense overall, which consists of both position and fielding. Left field is easier to play than the average position (1B and DH are the only ones that are easier), so he’s docked -6 runs for that. As a let fielder, he rated -9 runs compared to average. The full position bonus spectrum is:
CA: +12 runs
SS: +7 runs
2B/3B/CF: +2 runs
LF/RF: -7 runs
1B: -12 runs
DH: either -17 or -22 runs, can’t remember right now
I combined position and fielding into one defensive score for the top ten players, but they’re broken out for the top twenty-five in the table at the end of the article.
I keep hearing that Quentin’s scouting report is as a much better fielder than -9 runs. And that certainly could be true – these metrics have relatively large error bars. But it’s rare that they miss by a huge amount. And you’d be surprised how many fans of their team claim that players are better than the numbers say.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and i like being referred to as "that dude". thanks.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't really know what a "Sky Kalkman" was, forgive me.
and we railed on Q’s crap fielding for a while. it’s not that he didn’t suck last year. it’s just that it may not be that representative of his true talent. and i’m not sure i understand the necessity of a positional run adjustment if you’re comparing just left fielders anyway.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, eventually you need the step of comparing left fielders to everyone else
plus, some of the guys classified as left fielders also spent some time in CF or other positions. their position adjustments are pro-rated by innings.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eventually, but you're not doing it in a best of position list
not to pick nits…
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
there are five articles published already. think maybe someone will compare players between lists?
and I gave you a second good reason for including the position adjustment.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean i called it nit-picking. i'm not worked up over it.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, Chone Smith got a lot of love for his defensive projections from Tango and Justin Inaz
so I’ve been using those as my baseline mentally. -5 runs is his 2009 projection.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that's more accurate than just 2008 numbers going forward
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know who keeps telling you that or where.
they’re wrong.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on what you mean by "much better"
if you mean average or better, then obviously that’s not right.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in which way are they wrong?
are you saying Quentin’s not actually better than -9 by a scouting report? i’m confused…
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one thinks he's anything approaching average.
it was speculated early in the season that he could be pretty good, but we were rapidly disabused of that notion.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, gotcha
i was here about a month ago and one or two people were trying to convincing me he wasn’t that bad — played center field in college, the scouting reports had him higher, etc. guess i fell pray to listening to two people not in agreement with general sentiment.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm gonna go ahead and say that wasn't here.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope they weren't trying to convince you he was good/average
just that he wasn’t a complete sinkhole.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading how good Quentin was,
seeing the highlights at D-Backs.com top play archives seemed to back it up. People seemed to think he could handle CF decently on the AZ perspective. Fielding Bible metrics seemed to back it up somehow.
http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/charts/leaders2-07.gif
He wasn’t 2007 Dye bad, but he seemed sluggish. However… I have a hard time thinking his defense was that bad so that he was only the fifth best left fielder. Any way you can find his defense for 2006-07? We might not get a good gage on him until next year. It could be due to the fact he’s gotten slower, for whatever reason.
For what it’s worth, barring injury, I believe Quentin still has more to show offensively. You waited for pitchers to make adjustments to him, and for him to slump, but he instead got better as the season progressed. He seemed to cover up the holes in his swing as time went on, and even changed his stance drastically from 07 to 08 and then fine tuned it in season. He always had a lot of success before his shoulder injury, I honestly can see him improving from this point. You just didn’t see the parts where he looked like he could be a fluke, or somehow better than he was. I could end up eating my words, but the BB/K rates make me confident. Of course, he’s always had injury problems so you don’t know.
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 29, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with larry, he wasn't that good in the field. But he wasn't Kittle/Luzinski bad...
at least to these old eyes.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was bad.
Had a good throw or two. Looked brutal too often.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 29, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: SSSers are fortunately pessimistic by nature.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or his assertion is incorrect.
if true, that would sort of scuttle tango’s fan scouting report, hmm.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i don't really know where he's hearing this stuff either
but i imagine it comes from the fact that he doesn’t follow the Sox as closely or you or me.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers?
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox are already +1 with the nix signing! don't knock the even creepier mr. rogers.
"i'm convinced the whole day long that all i learn is always wrong."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they'll be -1 without Cabrerra and Uribe...
I need an abacus
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Oct 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do people still read him?
what does he do at the trib anyway? he can’t scout and he has no idea what sabermetrics are and he isn’t a beat reporter.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is the official tribune rumor monger
his last two sunday columns had the following headlines ‘Manny fit for Cubs LF’ and ‘Peavy to the Cubs could Happen’ or something along those lines. Lo and behold, those were the two most viewed stories on the site. People are so easily tricked.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 29, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse them for hoping the Trib had standards.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the problem is
people click on his stories and they end up having the highest traffic. So, anytime Phil or his editors think they need a ‘big story’, he digs into his bag of made up trades and roster moves. And we are all the dumber for it.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 29, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah there, slugger.
let’s ratchet back the liberality of your usage of ‘we’.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i know that tango is really into the positional adjustment
but i’m not sure i exactly understand why one should take it into consideration when talking about actual on field performance. it makes sense to me when looking in a vacuum to adjust for position, but personally i don’t find myself doing that a lot. i know what the d-spectrum looks like.
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from a player distribution perspective
i’d love to see the ratio of MLBers who can play average short to average second to average third etc etc
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're intuitively accounting for the position spectrum, the position adjustment is just a way to quantify that
how do you know how much more valuable an average-fielding CF who hits .280/.340/.460 is than an average-hitting 1B who hits .280/.340/.460? the position adjustment tells you how much worse the 1B would field at second base.
basically, putting Quentin in LF instead of CF has an opportunity cost, because it’s easier to go find someone else to play LF than CF. that opportunity cost results in lowered production for the team as a whole.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that confirms my understanding
ty
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by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, i'm not the only one that wonders this shit
With 5-1/2 innings of World Series Game 5 already in the books, a question arises of great concern to many Phillies fans going to Citizens Bank Park tonight:
Will beer sales be cut off after the seventh inning?
No, says David Freireich, spokesman for Aramark, which operates all the park’s concessions.
“Today is considered a new event,” he said.
So the brew won’t stop flowing at the 7th.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 29, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so do they get cut off at 12.5 innings?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TFA says at the 9th, but who knows
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 29, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn now I want beer.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Oct 29, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain please
why Sky Wankman says that left field is an easier position than right field?
my cat Stan is very interested in this differential.
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i never knew the real reason
but it’s something i’ve always heard. i think it has something to do with not being behind the runner that is rounding from third.
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Oct 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
d of RF-3B>d of LF-3B
longer distance=longer way to throw
also, more plays a game on average in rf than lf.
and what colin says.
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 29, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking rec'd
the english are fuckin’ riot
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't?
LF and RF pos penalty is the same.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he does
this is the quote above ’ Left field is easier to play than the average position (1B and DH are the only ones that are easier)’. By your premise then RF would have to be exactly the same on all metrics to qualify this statement.
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not splitting hairs in the position adjustment
they are about the same importance, although the study doesn’t address throwing arm. There might be a one or two run difference in ability between left and right field there, making right field slightly more difficult.
here’s the basic premise of the study i linked to: given players that move between positions, how do they tend to rate at each position. you find, for example, that a player moving between LF and CF rates as 10 runs better as a LF than a CF. do the same thing for LF/RF, 2B/3B, 2B/SS, etc. then consider that lefties can’t/don’t play 2B/3B/SS and figure out how much putting a lefty throwing with the same fielding skills as a righty thrower would cost you at those positions. then take all the differences and smooth things out. you’ll get approximately the following (the five run gaps are to make things easier, since the preicision isn’t more than 1 or 2 runs, and the whole 2.5, 7.5 thing is to make the positions average out at zero):
CA: +12.5 (this one’s actually more of a guesstimate)
SS: +7.5 runs
2B/3B/CF: +2.5 runs
LF/RF: -7.5 runs
1B: -12.5 runs
DH: uh, i think it’s 17.5
those are all per full season (650 PAs? 700 PAs, i forget)
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every third game in MLB
they should make the runs go clockwise to even things up
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many players move between CF and LF
in MLB if not for injuries? hardly any I bet, and the problem with all these fielding metrics is they don’t take account the state of the game. The managers are bound to tell their best outfield sluggers to take it easy if the game is lost or very easily won, it would be madness not to.
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're overestimating the effects of your pet theory there
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you quantify it?
I’m betting no, so it’s as good as anything else that exists at the moment.
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you quantify effort, hoodie? Motivation?
During a game? When no one answers honestly of they tanked a play, or an inning. You are grasping at things that might someday be quantified, but surely are not now.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 29, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
you don’t get it FFS, when you are kicking someone’s ass (sic) or getting battered, then what is the point of putting in maximum effort and risking injury, that is just stupid, you do what is necessary to preserve what you have got or to minimise maximum embarrassment, in either case you will not or more importantly should not risk getting hurt to make a play.
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said that they tend to play worse when the game is
nearly decided. that’s actually pretty quantifiable if you assume it exists for everyone to at least some degree. track DER by score.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this has already been studied. there's nothing to it. quit wasting your time replying.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't keep track of allathisshit
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't need to. when you read something as half-baked as this from someone with poor knowledge of the game, just move on.
"winning tacos for America was pretty cool too."
by larry on Oct 29, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aww, poor hoodie :(
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't spend the first six weeks of this season
calling for Alexei Ramirez to be sent down to Charlotte.
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no I didn't
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's actually more movement between positions than you're thinking
especially when you consider multiple years. if you click through, i believe there’s a link to an original study that discusses sample sizes.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think tango uses 650
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could ask me directly
but i guess it’s more fun to make personal attacks.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the internet.
i think you’ll get over it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that dude, please explain it.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 29, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sky, is your time of day the dark time?
a couple of deals before dawn?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I’m not sure where I made a personal attack, please point it out to me.
anyway onto the meat of the matter I quote you ’Left field is easier to play than the average position (1B and DH are the only ones that are easier)’ – it follows logically from this that right field is more difficult than left field.
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or equal to
see above
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Wankman"
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
he is insulted by being called a wanker! It’s nothing to be ashamed of, anyway it’s all you fucking students do all day anyway.
Wear your poppy with pride.
by hoodlight on Oct 29, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's clearly a bit thin skinned
but he’s only been here a few days.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a brutha get a gamethread? I mean, after Jesus' infomercial
we have an important few innings. Right?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 29, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for "Jesus' infomercial"
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
done you OCPOS
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"C" for "crotchety", I presume?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 29, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct sir!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over... crotchety... piece... hey now
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 29, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"old"
as per OPOS, his nickname since…last winter? earlier? ever?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just an oxymoron
or contradictory, or some other phrase I don’t 100% understand
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 29, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
old piece of shit.
so the latter.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Cameron FA Bargain: Randy Johnson
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/free-agent-bargain-randy-johnson/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Oct 29, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn this guy
i was going to maybe write that as of yesterday.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also that would be a great signing
between him, poreda and richard, we’d have an enviable back end of the rotation and back to the pitching surplus. then maybe allen, fields and shelby for beltre? that’d be a badass team.
RIP SSH:
C Pierzynski
1B Konerko
2B Getz/Grudz
3B Beltre
SS Che
LF Q!
CF Swish
RF Dye
DH Thome
UTE Uribe
4TH Anderson
SP Buehrle
SP Vazquez
SP Danks
SP Floyd
SP Johnson/Richard/Poreda
SET Linebrink
SET Dotel
SET Easy Heat
CL Jenks
LONG n LOOGY Richard/Poreda
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 29, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
allen, fields and shelby for beltre?
I think the Sox tradeable assets are some guys on their major league roster plus poreda. Of the 3 you mention, it’s possible Fields could get used in a deal, but he’s a throw-in at this point not the centerpiece. If Kenny makes a big move this winter, I think Swisher and Poreda are what he has to deal….
by hitlesswonder on Oct 29, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade for Damon.
Move Q! to……who cares, Damon’s better.
Get the sculptor working on the Damon statue for Monument Park. I hear Griffey’s to be dedicated mid year.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 30, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i did think it was rather odd that the sox put up the griffey statue in center and didn't dedicate it at any time during the season.
seems to go against protocol.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
by larry on Oct 30, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm glad they stuck a glove on it though.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 30, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It kept losing its balance and falling forward.
Too top-heavy and unbalanced.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Oct 30, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must've been his giant head.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
by Hazymania on Oct 30, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Colin,
I really liked the links.
Keep up the good work.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 30, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, and in his defense,
Quentin is a natural right fielder. He never played centerfield in college, but he did played centerfield in high school, and some centerfield in AAA.
The first time he played left field was at his Major League debut in 2006, and then this year playing with the Sox. As easy as left field may be, it’s still an adjustment if it’s not your natural position. He had more errors then he’s ever had in a season this year. He usually makes no more than 2 – 3 in a season. However, when you’re adjusting to a new position, it happens. Hopefully, next season, he’ll have more finesse in left field.
But then, he is overrated, and has been throughout college, minor leagues, and this season. It’s amazing how he gets away with it!
WE SEE THROUGH YOU, MR. Q! YOU CAN’T FOOL US!!!
by Porcho on Oct 30, 2008 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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