It's Begun!!!! The Hot Stove League!!!! Post Rumors, Innuendo, And Your Random Konerko for Price, Figgins, Kotchman, and Pierre Thoughts Here. And Actual Trades and Signings Are Okay, Too. I Guess.
by larry on Oct 30, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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The Royals wasted no time Thursday in pulling the trigger on their first major off-season move by acquiring slugging first baseman Mike Jacobs from the Florida Marlins for reliever Leo Nuñez.
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Jacobs, 6 feet 3 and 215 pounds, has a .262 average with 80 homers and 247 RBIs in 421 career games over four seasons. He was ninth-round pick by the New York Mets in 1999 and went to Florida as part of the November 2005 deal for veteran first baseman Carlos Delgado.
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Nuñez, 25, was 4-1 with a 2.98 ERA last season in 45 games. He fits better into Florida’s salary structure because he is not yet eligible for arbitration, which positions him for only a modest raise from $405,000.
The trade raises several issues within the Royals’ existing roster. It suggests the club is not convinced either Ryan Shealy or Kila Ka'aihue are ready for regular duty and appears to recognize veteran Ross Gload was overexposed.
It also suggests the Royals might be ready to adopt a harder line in assessing Billy Butler’s development.
Dayton Moore with his new acquisition:
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yawn. free agent bargain: derek lowe.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/free-agent-bargain-derek-lowe
sometimes i think dave cameron is preaching to the choir with these things since all the players mentioned are seamhead favorites and it’s not like anyone who reads fangraphs doesn’t know this stuff. but i guess those of you who don’t live in your step-mom’s basement might learn something.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
she's not my step-mom, sheesh. she's just my dad's stupid girlfriend. and i hate her.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Oct 30, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah that one's a pretty obvious one
i think the pitcher market this year is actually a pretty good one. enough top talent for the actual value to get reasonable contracts.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
the good doctor on the jacobs-nunez trade
The mere fact that Moore is talking to the Marlins about Jacobs tells me he still doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get that what really ails his offense isn’t the lack of power, it’s the lack of walks. The Royals finished next-to-last in the AL in homers last season. The one team they out-homered? The Twins, who finished third in the league in runs scored and came within a game of the playoffs. But the Royals didn’t just finish last in the league with 392 walks, they had one of the lowest walk totals in a non-strike season in recent American League history. Since 1931, here are the only four AL teams to finish with fewer than 395 walks in a full season:
1957 Kansas City 364, 2002 Detroit 363 , 2005 Detroit 384, 2008 Kansas City 392
So what’s Moore’s solution? To trade for a first baseman with a .299 OBP. There were 29 players this season who batted at least 300 times and played at least half their games at first base. Only two of them had a lower OBP than Ross Gload’s .317. One was John Bowker, rookie first baseman for the Giants, who had a .300 OBP. The other – with the lowest OBP of any first baseman in the game – was Jacobs. That’s right: Moore has managed to find a first baseman that actually reached base less often than Ross Gload. And he’s willing to give up talent to get him.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/free-agent-bargain-derek-lowe
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2008/10/memo-to-dmgm-wtf.html
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
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EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
that's so last june.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
konerko for price, figgins, kotchman and pierre?
i don’t even know where to begin with the problems with this trade. if we’re gonna take on a bad contract like pierre, then they should have to take contreras, or macdougal.
Cashing checks and having sex.
I thought you wrote Gary Glitter...
and meant it for the music thread.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
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he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
but only foreign children. no Mormons.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
Can Renteria still play SS ? If not.. can he play second base? The sox are better off buying average players then trading for them at this point considering how bare the cupboard is. I’m fine with Renteria batting 7th or 8th.
by Grinder in Training on Oct 30, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
and i'm not fine with giving up a first round draft pick for him.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
I'm not advocating getting Renteria by any means...
but since the Tigers bought him out and aren’t offering arbitration to him, would any draft pick exchange be needed?
who says they aren't offering arbitration.
and if a team decides to sign him before the deadline to offer arbitration, still lose the pick.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
Didn't know that second part
and I assumed they wouldn’t offer arbitration since they are paying him to go away.
that's not a good assumption.
and it’s a buy out of a contract option, which rather often presages a renegotiated type deal. likely not the case here but don’t assume. the sox bought out uribe last year.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
I didn’t know they’d offered him arbitration after already paying him 3 million.
If that’s the case then obviously no, he’d be a terrible option. If they don’t though and you can get him for 5 or 6 million as a veteran in our very questionable infield doesn’t seem to have that much downside.
by Grinder in Training on Oct 30, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
They have to give up a first round draft pick if he isn’t offered arbitration?
by Grinder in Training on Oct 30, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Are there any realistic Free Agent targets for the White Sox this season?
Our needs, as I would classify them, are:
2B
3B,
a (true) CF (though I feel that Swisher is fine there for at least another year)
some speed (the tool, not the drug)
a 3rd-4th starter (because nobody shops for a 5th starter) to put ahead of Vazquez/Floyd
and a LOOGY
2B, 3B, and CF could all be filled internally. And the FA crop at those positions isn’t exactly inspiring. I’ve always been a fan of O-dog, but buying his decline doesn’t seem like a smart thing to do. Crede might be the best fit at 3B, and I don’t think we want to go down that road again.
Heck, even 5th starter might be nailed down with Richard/Poreda. The only thing I see on their shopping list (outside of the omnipresent "speed") is a LOOGY, which could be filled by Poreda/Richard as well.
In conclusion, I don’t see the Sox being active on the free agent market. They’ll add something, to be sure, but not without subtracting one of the old-slow guys (or Vazquez) in the deal.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Agreed re FA. Though KennyGM may surprise on trades...
Still wouldn’t be surprised to see Bill Hall in a Sox uni, maybe a 3B/CF platoon with Fields and Swisher.
Yep, his OBP sucked last year (2 in a row?) but …
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
i vacated that bandwagon. you're in charge.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
who has a need for any of our slow guys?
konerko and dye?
and what could they possibly give us of value?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 31, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a reasonably obvious construction for next year (from a previous post):
C Pierzynski
1B Konerko
2B Getz/Grudz
3B Beltre
SS Che
LF Q!
CF Swish
RF Dye
DH Thome
UTE Uribe
4TH Anderson
SP Buehrle
SP Vazquez
SP Danks
SP Floyd
SP Johnson/Richard/Poreda
SET Linebrink
SET Dotel
SET Easy Heat
CL Jenks
LONG n LOOGY Richard/Poreda
I think The Unit could be signed for 10 per, if not less and be more or less worth it in combination with Richard and Poreda. Beltre…well, now that the M’s have a G in Seattle, they’ll hopefully start selling assets. I can’t imagine that Allen, Shelby and Fields would be enough, but that’s my highly optimistic indulgence. Adds pitching depth and defense and yet more slugging. It would basically be like revving up the ‘08 team, but if Crede and Contreras had played the whole season. I think that gets them to 91-92 wins or so. That’s a pretty expensive team for that many wins though.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
the unit isn't coming to chicago.
left coast, yo.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
makes sense for a guy with back and leg problems
but herm is a draw maybe?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
best. mvp 2005 team. EVAR.
But I don’t want Beltre on account of the fact he’s only Joe Crede 06, but formerly on steroids, he’s expensive talent and money wise, and he’s on a one year deal. That’s too many not goods, even if you only care about the latter two points.
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 30, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't care to drag up the report to confirm if this is true.
but i recall reading he would only consider west coast teams. that whole old player wants to play near home thing.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
RJ won't come here.
Besides being in the AL, and one of the toughest parks no less, he wants to stay in the west. He asked to be traded from the Yankees to be back near home.
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 30, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We crotchety old folks get sedentary. Plus, he's got nothing left to prove.
I bet he’s had his fill of the East (anything east of the Rockies) after his NY experience.
Whoosh!
In the name of Fred Gwynn, what's a UTE?
Is he a Mormon?
(Waits for the inevitable obvious attempt to educate a stupid OPOS. Stupid OPOS waits to pounce.)
PS I believe I have my new porn name – LONG n LOOGY.
Whoosh!
(Stupid OPOS pounces.)
colin, I am pulling your leg from your pelvis. DB. Go to school. Learn something.
;)
Whoosh!
it was like "who's there" yo
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I'm schooled enough to know there isn't an E in utility
but I am passive aggressive enough to not use the reply button
I heard a rumour that the Tigers want Jenks
and are prepared to shop Granderson.
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
anyone else on here I was waiting to make a joke
but someone else has come up with this? jesus, as I just made it up.
sorry
regards
Wear your poppy with pride.
excelleunt.
he's stubborn. and lacks discipline. and i hope he drowns in front of his children. but I’ll have to document all that when I see him next year, assuming he stays here, which he probably will. i don’t wanna be dissin’ without substance.
maybe if they add cabrera and we throw in dewon day... fuck days done... umm throw in timo perez
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
AWESOME SUPER AMAZING TRADE IDEAS
1. Konerko to the Angels for Chone Figgins, Ervin Santana, Howie Kendrick, Brandon Wood, Nick Adenhart, Tim Salmon, Darin Erstad, Barry Bonds (Sign and trade), Jered Weaver, cash and a PTBNL
2. Q! for Scott Podsednik…. too much power, need speed. See Carlos Lee trade
3. Aaron Poreda, John Shelby, Gordan Beckham for Jamie Moyer
4. Brian Anderson for Hanley Ramirez
4b. Jermaine Dye for Brian Anderson
5. Southpaw for Alex Rodriguez and MTBNL
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
cant decide if i like trading for moyer
or parts 4 and 4b more.
excellent
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Oct 31, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
are you kidding about moyer
i dont even think if you combine the ages of the 3 guys were giving up youll get moyers age… thats veteran experience that can carry a team
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
thought it was a joke
mainly because i believe moyer will be a FA
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Nov 1, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
the (apparently) official list of type a/b free agents.
could changes from the estimates, none of which affect the sox.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/freeagents?season=2008
2009 all free agent bargain team
Catcher: Dave Ross
First Base: Ben Broussard
Second Base: Orlando Hudson
Shortstop: Rafael Furcal
Third Base: Joe Crede
Left Field: Rocco Baldelli
Center Field: Ryan Langerhans
Right Field: Juan Rivera
Starting Pitcher: Derek Lowe
Starting Pitcher: Randy Johnson
Relief Pitcher: Jeremy Affeldt
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-2008-all-free-agent-bargain-team
Orlando Hudson will cost lots of $. Derek Lowe might reach the upper teen mil per year. RJ will probably be 10 mil plus, and Joe Crede is rep'd by antichrist.
Affeldt will probably make out with a Ron Mahay like contract, and Furcal will probably reach the mid teens in mil per year as well.
Seems more like a good team than a cheap one. Many of these guys are coming off injuries but that doesn’t make them “bargains”.
Bargain would be like… Adam Everett or Jason Kendall… half these guys are expensive short term deals.
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 31, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
why is orlando hudson on that list?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
cause he's your mom
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
wait until the guys on this comment thread get over to BTB
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-mike-jacobs-trade/
hilarious. if you don’t want to read the whole thing, just go to the bottom at 6:59 where Jerry plays the role of AEG and sums it all up.
AEG is much more Kierkegaardian. Where is that bastard, anyway?
Sites like that make me appreciate sies like this all the more.
I love you Chicago-Tough guys and girls.
Whoosh!
Neither
Return on Dye won’t be to KW’s liking / Vaz still eats innings and that would put us 2 down – still value as a 4th or 5th starter
Don't look back because we are going forward!
if you want a catcher, give up some pitching.
the rangers are in a great spot and will only trade ramirez, laird, teagarden, or salty for quality pitching.
"Quality" you say....
So Vazquez for for Teagrden won’t happen…drat…..
by hitlesswonder on Nov 2, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Salty for Bailey
Although I would be hesitant to trade for Salty under any circumstance as his defense has been marked down as shitty and his K rates are atrocious, and generally just hasn’t been good in the majors. Bailey has been crap but still has high potential. Buchholz could be in the mix. I’ve proposed a Crisp for Laird trade before, although Coco probably has slightly more value.
crisp does not have more value than laird
and i don’t think texas will be duped again into accepting a pitcher like homer bailey
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
Ringolsby says Fields is not the Sox first choice for 3B
WHITE SOX SS Orlando Cabrera, 3B Joe Crede and INF Juan Uribe are free agents. Alexei Ramirez will move from second to shortstop, with Chris Getz taking over at second, but Josh Fields no longer is considered third base answer.
Outrighted OF/2B-R Jason Bourgeois and C-Rs Donny Lucy and Paul Phillips to Charlotte (Triple-A); activated LHP Andrew Sisco from the 60-day DL and outrighted him to Charlotte. [10/17]
Signed 2B-R Jayson Nix to a one-year contract. [10/28]
Declined their 2009 club options on OF-L Ken Griffey Jr. and C-R Toby Hall. [10/30]
Some people might be worked up about the Griffey thing, but paying $4 million to avoid having him slog around in center seems like a worthwhile decision, and given that Kenny Williams got him from the Reds for what seemed at the time a nondescript package, I guess the interesting follow-on development to my way of thinking is that the Sox have given the perennially punchless Nix a big-league contract. Not that the Sox should regret dealing away Danny Richar, but the spectacle of Juan Uribe playing regularly at the hot corner shouldn’t be a thing that any team tolerates, let alone a contender, but once Chris Getz went down with a season-ending injury, upper-level infield depth became a bit of a noticeable problem. (Admittedly, some of that was self-inflicted; Ozzie Guillen’s picking Uribe for defense over Josh Fields was a bit silly.) With Orlando Cabrera, Joe Crede, and Uribe now outbound free agents, that question of depth becomes that much more of a problem—while it’s already anticipated that Alexei Ramirez will move across the bag and take over at short with Getz slotting in at the keystone, sorting out who’s on third rates pretty high on the team’s to-do list, and Nix at best represents a defensive replacement and erstwhile platoon partner that Getz may not really need. Fields seems likely to get first shot at the hot corner, but I wouldn’t bet against the Sox importing a veteran utilityman capable of soaking up playing time if Fields struggles. Someone like Craig Counsell would be nice, but the Sox being the Sox, would a decision to bring back Pablo Ozuna shock anybody?
Meanwhile, discarding Hall’s about a year overdue; the organization needs to find a better backup catcher to provide something resembling insurance against an injury to A.J. Pierzynski, and there are guys available worth picking up: Mike Redmond, Henry Blanco, Gregg Zaun, or David Ross would all offer the Sox some platoon-worthiness. Ross might be the one from that quartet who isn’t going into the market with hopes of landing a starting job, and he might also be the sort of right-handed power source suited to exploit the Cell.
Which leaves one final matter: what to do about center field. Frankly, I think “nothing” works fine as a proposition. Nick Swisher’s going to have to get at-bats somewhere, and maybe this makes for a useful role for a guy like Jerry Owens (as well as continued employment for Brian Anderson as a defensive replacement). Relative to shoring up the infield and picking a better brand of backup catcher, I don’t think hunting around for an expensive center fielder makes much sense. Maybe—and I’m just throwing this out there—maybe it makes sense to go slumming for an unwanted guy in the last year of his deal, say Andruw Jones if the Dodgers eat most of the money, but I don’t think the Sox need to really work themselves up over that sort of thing. If it falls into their lap, it’s worth a look. If it doesn’t, skip it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8280
"[Our new product] is a revolutionary advancement in golf tee time technology," said Harry Ipema, Co-Founder and President of Fore! Reservations. "Two months ago our programmers told me that it would take twelve months to develop it. But it took one sixth of that time - we've had a programmer who has really been focused recently."
ugh, read that this morning
there’s a reason christina’s my least favorite writer at bp. there was no reason to put fields at 3b at the end of the year.
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 3, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, Andruw Jones. Of course. Let's get him.
Older means he’s more mature and will work harder, right?
Fer Chrissakes. Let’s get Bonds while we’re at it.
Whoosh!
setting aside the bonds issue (why would anyone want a guy who OPSed 1.045?)
i’d take a flyer on jones for a couple million. if he sucks in april, dfa. his defense is still fine so he wouldn’t be a total loss out there if he puts up another 35 OPS+ in april (shoot, uribe was doing that the first month last year, wasn’t he?). i’d be more inclined to stand pat in center but there are worse ideas out there. you know, like taveras or something. like she says, if it falls in the lap, explore. if not, forget it.
"[Our new product] is a revolutionary advancement in golf tee time technology," said Harry Ipema, Co-Founder and President of Fore! Reservations. "Two months ago our programmers told me that it would take twelve months to develop it. But it took one sixth of that time - we've had a programmer who has really been focused recently."
No f'n way... might as well bring Jr back...
Larry – I thought better of you… must of been in a moment of weakness. Not even for a month – Sox don’t work that way – they won’t eat anything
Don't look back because we are going forward!
But Jones... he eats everything.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
i said i'd do it.
"i wasn't sure who to vote for. but then his grandmother died. they're pulling out all the stops to get those undecided voters. damn, these guys are fucking good."
Henry Blanco is looking for a starting job? Really? AJ looks better all the time then.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
mlb trade rumors' top 50 free agents and possible destinations.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/2009-top-50-fre.html
"[Our new product] is a revolutionary advancement in golf tee time technology," said Harry Ipema, Co-Founder and President of Fore! Reservations. "Two months ago our programmers told me that it would take twelve months to develop it. But it took one sixth of that time - we've had a programmer who has really been focused recently."
trever miller's option delined; could be a decent LOOGY for someone.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2008/11/rays-decline-op.html
"[Our new product] is a revolutionary advancement in golf tee time technology," said Harry Ipema, Co-Founder and President of Fore! Reservations. "Two months ago our programmers told me that it would take twelve months to develop it. But it took one sixth of that time - we've had a programmer who has really been focused recently."
Royals
The Royals are once again trying to make a big splash by tradign for a breakout talent for one year. Mike Jacobs was good this year. He might do the sam with run producing and hitting. The Royals aren’t one hitter away. They are 3-4 big splashes in the free agent market from being ready to take the AL Central.
did you just wake up from a really long nap?
"what's the only thing that trumps the dead grandma sympathy vote?"
"the dead mother sympathy vote."
"that's right. which once again illustrates the competency gap between the two campaigns."
I know. I'm worried.
If they add Sabathia, and Ramirez, and Tiexiera, and trade Miguel Olivo for Jake Peavy, they might be dangerous.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
They have to sign a lot of bullpen and starting rotation help.
"what's the only thing that trumps the dead grandma sympathy vote?"
"the dead mother sympathy vote."
"that's right. which once again illustrates the competency gap between the two campaigns."
you're thinking a little far north
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
There's whispers on WSI about...
Ken Davidoff talking Beltran to the Sox (as a remote possibility). Also Levine talked about Phillies/Sox talks involving Dye.
WSI is a sinkhole, but, it’s worth noting.
I believe it to be Nick Swisher, Javy Vazquez and Aaron Poreda is for Carlos Beltran.
To which is a good trade offer?
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 7, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
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Dye, Javy, Broadway and a OF throw in, while we throw the mets some money. In fact the thow in might be Broadway, while they may have interest in Owens or Anderson.
"My eyebrows ain't plucked there's a gun in my truck. Oh,thank god, I'm still a guy." - Paisley
*McCain 08* By Default...
that would be worlds better.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
article on baldelli from his home town paper.
speculates it would take $1-2M to get him as a fourth outfielder.
"I’m not in a situation to be that picky about where I’m going to be playing next year," he said. "There’s probably a select group of teams I can work with and fit my type of situation."
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_baldelli09_11-09-08_BEC7CO8_v11.3ac43b3.html
that sure sounds like a goddamn bargain to me.
i’m not even going to waste the time doing the math on that one. he could make 100 PAs and $2M would be a deal.
maybe. who knows.
i don’t know if the guy has any inside information from baldelli, but he obviously spoke to him.
I'm not disagreeing with that - I just think someone will pay more.
I’d really like to know more about the illness. My wife is experiencing similar symptoms re: fatigue/muscle pain when she runs/lifts and is immensely frustrated by it.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
i think everyone would like to know more about the illness. it is largely a mystery.
particularly in this case. which is why i think there will be a significant valuation reduction. there may be a risk seeking team out there – however, it really is sort of hard to justify giving much more than $3 million to a fourth outfielder when one looks at budget/roster constraints. theoretically he can DH, too – and i guess based upon last year’s performance by DHs he does look good – but historically his production really isn’t quite up to par for that position. like rocco himself says, he really only fits on a few teams – ones who can tolerate a guy who can play only every third day, requires defensive replacement when he does play, probably has a left-handed DH and so on (one can see why the red sox are hot for him). at this point, i’m not sure if the white sox are one of them.
At this point, with no loyalty built up to him by the White Sox,
I don’t see it. If he developed the illness while with the Sox I have every confidence they’d work with him. Too many questions for now, I think.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Larry are you nutsy?????
Bo Jackson= marketing superstar even if he never ever ever batted one time for the Sox. Hell he still gets trotted out there for some of the events. Rocco Baldelli wouldn’t get recognized in Chicago if he wore a devil rays jersey with his name on it. awful comparison.
Kenwo4life=ratings
it appears that his condition is much more severe than i previously thought.
i was kinda thinking that it was something he would learn how to manage and play with on a regular basis. sounds like he’s heading for true part-time player status. i had a hunch that he would find a way to be good for 110-120 games. obviously, i didn’t do much homework on his disease, but this sounds like it’s gonna really, really limit his playing time.
Cashing checks and having sex.
passan's free agent list, from #1-183.
the page is frequently updated to reflect where players have gone; probably the best clearinghouse for FAs on the internet.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-freeagenttracker111008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
How about that one dude who was traded for those dudes
I think everyone made out pretty goo. Boras likely irked
stop regressing man
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
TBL floats Manny to Marlins:
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I see no reason to question the Marlins scouting department; the trades they make seem to work out pretty well for them most of the time. I can’t imagine they’d take garbage for Scott Olson.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 11, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
JJ Hardy
His name keeps getting brought up on websites for trade rumors, and again on MLB.com today (but on the Twins wishlist).. why not the White Sox?
Vazquez seems like exactly what the Brewers need, and he would have no problem fitting their payroll.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 11, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions
i doubt hardy is on the block
it’d be fielder if anyone.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Fair enough
I just read that Hardy has two years left on his deal and apparently they have a prospect to take his spot, so it seemed like the best time to move him. I guess if they can move Fielder that makes more sense, I imagine he’d bring in a much better pitching haul.
If the Marlins are moving players, Uggla a possibility? The 2B they picked up from the Nationals could take Uggla’s spot. His power numbers would probably be pretty ridiculous at the Cell.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 11, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
So "Sox talking to Mets about Jenks" is all the rage these days (I think SI reported it first).
My favorite trade proposal from a Mets blog:
“Dye, Vazquez, and Jenks for Niese, Evans, Kunz, Castillo and Heilmann”
Good stuff.
so you're saying he has experience working with sox players?
they know how to pitch out of his innings? i consider this a bonus when it comes to acquiring him
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Nov 11, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
so a bunch of shitty prospects and castillo and heilman just to add some older shit
for 2 all star caliber players and a workhorse strikeout pitcher?
can anyone say deal?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Trib says the Sox have intensified efforts to deal Swisher
Given that Dye, Thome, Konerko all have NTCs.
Rumor that it is, I think it’s likely Swisher does end up in another uniform next season. As the Trib says, his contract is the most movable. So if the Sox want to open CF for a leadoff man, that’s the easiest move. Unfortunately, it seems like all it would do is open a roster spot — it won’t save much money or bring a substantial player in return.
i really don't think Swisher is the kind of guy who will fall into nothingness
so i don’t really get moving him after one season.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I agree -- I'd keep him
Young cheap and has OBP skills. I think it’d be crazy to sell low. But realistically, Konerko and Thome aren’t going anywhere. Dye could, but his NTC still limits how easily he could be moved. So, if the Sox want to open up CF for Coco Crisp or whatever, moving Swisher is the easiest way to clear a spot. And I think Swisher didn’t endear himself to management last season, either.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 12, 2008 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well this will be interesting to see how it plays out
but call me skeptical on Gonzalez’s source for this story. He seems to rely more on scouts and other front office members when it comes to innuendo. Whereas Cowley, for all his criticism, actually seems to have people in the Sox front office for his sources. In addition, Boers on the Score, broke the Dye trade rumors right after the Series ended from his White Sox guy. For the most part the Trib has been the only Chicago paper running around with the Swisher rumors. I’m sorry I just don’t see them shipping him off unless they get a ridiculous package.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 12, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
looking at his fan graphs are kind of scary though
they go in a nice parabola
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Konerko uncorked a .700 OPS season in his age 27 season
and then went on to be a .900 OPS player for the next 3 seasons (he was actually better than I remember, it looks like).
I think Swisher’s a good bet to rebound sort of like that — not to the .900 OPS level maybe, but at least providing a .360+ OBP which the Sox could certainly use.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 12, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
A's may want swisher
i have no clue what they’d offer other than prospects.
there more in the works? Oakland has legit interest in Rafael Furcal, which would be an offensive upgrade at SS if the A’s could sign him. And another free agent bat (Jason Giambi?) or bringing back the very available Nick Swisher could beef up the lineup even more.
Suddenly, with one move, this is a team talking about for the short term, not just 2011. They’re interesting again.
You do realize that you're posting on a White Sox board, don't you? Or is your eyesight goin' bad there, Atheletics fanboy?
BTW, I wouldn’t cite the Chronicle as a source, if I were you, as it ruins the credibility of your delusional trade scenarios.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
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