White Sox Season Ends (for reals this time) in ALDS
The White Sox seemed to play their best baseball of the year with their proverbial backs to the wall. They had won 4-in-row (against 4 different teams) in elimination games, when a single loss meant the end of their long season. But winning their 5th elimination game in a row was too much to ask.
I wonder if any team has been able to stave off elimination 5 times in a season/postseason? I'm sure the there was at least one, I just don't know which teams were able to pull off such a feat.
Gavin Floyd gave up a pair of homeruns to the dead red sitting BJ Upton, and was pulled without retiring a batter in the 4th inning, as the Sox offense couldn't match the pace of their Rays counterparts. He probably threw better than Rays' game 2 starter Scott Kazmir, but unlike Kazmir, he had to face an offense that was not about to let a struggling pitcher off the hook. With his offense being Sonnanstine'd, Ozzie was forced to turn to the pen early. Despite another strong outing from Clayton Richard, the Sox could only manage a pair of solo-shots offensively, and got no closer than 3 runs the rest of the game.
We can admit now; now that the Sox are done for the season, now that the Rays have beaten them soundly 3-1. The Rays are a better team than the White Sox, or at least this version of the White Sox; the one without Q! and unable to properly set up their pitching rotation. In addition to their superior team speed, the one area where the Rays were clearly better than the Sox was in the back of their bullpen. And, at least for these 4 games, they pounded the ball out of the ballpark better than the Sox. The better team won.
These Sox weren't firing on all cylinders. The offense just hasn't been the same without our beloved Q!. The rotation was driven hard for 163 games, and strained through most of September with a 4-man rotation. The bullpen needed another week or two to get everyone back, healthy, and in their proper roles. And in the playoffs, anything less than your absolute best earns you a swift trip home.
So, today ends the White Sox' season, and I feel surprisingly good.
Chicago Winters Are Cold Without Warm Memories
When I look back on this season, I won't remember this game, or the series loss to the Rays, or even the 3-game sweep in the Metrodome. No, when I look back on this season, I'll see the "Worst" game of the season, I'll see Q! single-handedly taking out the Angels, I'll see Gavin Floyd's big hairy balls, I'll see that huge smile on Alexei's face, and maybe most of all, I'll see John Danks mowing down the Twins in the Plus One game.
I once called the 2006 club a 90-Win Failure, but that term doesn't apply to this 90-win club. They exceeded all but the loftiest (and unrealistic) expectations, and found some youth around which to build along the way. To me, this season was nearly a complete success. BP agrees.
Onto the Off-Season
Those of you who stumbled onto the site this season will be surprised by how lively this site remains for much of the off-season (save early February, which is a baseball dead-zone). We'll be here to discuss possible free-agent pickups, trades, the prospects we don't have, roster contruction; I might even revisit those 4 elimination game wins, which I was too superstitious to properly recap, as any optimism on this site was met with a karmic slap in the face. So stick around, you might find the site is still a daily stop even when games have ceased.
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my favorite time of year for sss
6 months of proposed roster constructions and trades that would never happen outside of an xbox
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 6, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
konerko for kotchman, francouer, mccann and jurrjens.
get it done KW.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 6, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not enough speed
Vazquez for Gorkys Hernandez.
Sign Nook Logan.
Thornton for Juan Pierre.
Jenks for Emilio Bonaficio.
Floyd for Willits/Aybar/Figgins
Logan
Pierre
Figgins
Willits
Bonaficio
Q (base cloggers down low)
Hernandez
Aybar
AJP
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 6, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 months of proposed roster constructions
what are we going to do without SSH?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
enjoy ourselves.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
There you are!
Are you holding up OK, you woman, you?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a-ok. Loved the whole season. Trying to not say much, as I'm cooking up a fanpost to bore you all to tears...
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that was a tough game
to see in person. Just as soon as the place would come to life, the Rays would add on another run. Nonetheless, after predicting a sub .500 season, I’ll take it.
Oh, and Juan for ARod, tat unclutch fuck.
by BustedFlush on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Cheat.
Don’t forget
FUCK GORDON BECKHAM FUCK GAHHHHHHH
by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 6, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beckham
What do you have against Beckham. Give him a year or 2 and put him at third with Alexei at ss. That would be one solid left side of the infield. Sure is a lot better than what we have now.
by Goalie50 on Oct 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham's bat plays a lot better a 2B/SS than 3B, if he even has the arm for 3B
Moving him to 3B is a waste.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie's Right
We need some speed!
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
by phastphil on Oct 6, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Irony is
the Sox only win of the playoffs came when they played all small ball, something that people said they couldn’t win with. They hit four dongs the whole series, three of which were the solo variety. There’s already been much said about their lack of speed and there will be plenty more. The fact is, no one wins a playoff series when your two of your starters can’t go past 4 innings.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
small ball?
I don’t call a two run double small ball, but that’s just me
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You watch the game last night with the Sox down 3 or 4 runs and everyone is still trying to hit the ball out of the ballpark instead of just getting on base. You can’t win in the postseason with trying to rely on hitting the long ball. Back in 05 we had a good balance of speed and power and that is what it takes in october.
by Goalie50 on Oct 7, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know they were all trying to hit it out of the park?
Did you tap into their brains? How do you know they weren’t trying to hit line drives and just missed pitches?
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this upcoming off season will be one of the really fun ones
Get me a 4 starter (with Javy being gone) and some more speed!
by Option27 on Oct 6, 2008 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a 5 would be nice, too
as The Count will be down for the, uh, count next season.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 6, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually am kinda ok with Clayton as a 5
Until Poreda comes up and grabs it
by Option27 on Oct 6, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the end, it was a pretty damn good year
the sox played meaningful october baseball, i attended two of the greatest sox games of my life (tuesday and sunday), and ssh got banned from sss. i’ll take it.
by Ryno on Oct 6, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Swish will be back next year
After the 6-2 loss to the Rays, general manager Ken Williams stopped at Swisher’s locker, gave him a hug and said, ‘’Come back next year and start all over again.’’
Swisher stepped back and looked away.
’’It’s always easier to start all over,’’ Swisher replied.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. He was horrendously unlucky in the first half,
and I think it started to get in his head. I think he’ll have a good year in 2009; it would be stupid to sell low on such a talented player.
by Dongfang Hong on Oct 6, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PK and Swish unlucky this season
- and #4 respectively in MLB when ranking (BABIP – LD%) in ascending order (min 400 PAs).
by 3E8 on Oct 6, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should be #2 and #4
formatting mishap
by 3E8 on Oct 6, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebound years from PK and Swish are one reason to be hopeful about 2009
If they could both be .850 OPS players, it will help make up for the expected regression from Q and Alexei and Dye….I think that’s not an unreasonable expectation.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 6, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is there an expected regression from Q?
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause he had an MVP caliber season...
I don’t think you can say he’s a shoe-in to post a .965 OPS season each year. I would expect him to very good, to but I think it would be prudent to assume he probably won’t match this year’s numbers.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 6, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he's not a shoe-in for those numbers
but he’s also just entering his prime. I don’t think it’s out of line to expect a .900 OPS for the next few years as long as he stays healthy.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're agreeing then
.900 down from .965 is regression. I’m not saying he’s going to crash or anything just that his average performance is likely to be somewhat lower.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 6, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just saw regression and assumed you meant way down
he also missed the last month of the year. 36 HR’s and 100 rbi’s shouldn’t be too hard for him to attain through 162 games
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does that measure unluckiness, just curious
by The Scoper on Oct 6, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can roughly estimate what a player's BABIP should be based on how many line drives they hit
The quick and dirty way is to add .120 to the LD% for your expected BABIP. PK for instance hit line drives 21.5% of the time. Adding .120 to .215 yields an expected BABIP of .335. His real BABIP was 88 points lower than that, .247
by 3E8 on Oct 6, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's not what you said
but whatever, I knew what you meant.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Oct 6, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that is what I said
if I say I did whatever I did, then I did whatever I did
by 3E8 on Oct 6, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
swish was crying during the rays celebration
house money!!
by thecip on Oct 6, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of the few times crying is Chicago Tough
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i took this at the parade in 2005.....thought it was a good one.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a year, what a year! stumbling into this site was excellent and i'm glad i did...
i’m gonna try and write some stuff this offseason and post if i can make up some time…woot
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 6, 2008 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All things considered, I'd say this was the second-best Sox season I can remember.
It’s always sad to realize that the trophy won’t be coming back home, but I feel pretty darn happy about this year regardless.
by Dongfang Hong on Oct 6, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, its no 2005
but for some reason i really loved 2003. but che’s grandslam is quite hard to compete with. 2005-2006 was my favorite offseason. for the world series obviously, plus we added thome and vazquez, and and resigned kong. I think this offseason could turn out pretty cool as well.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Oct 6, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 and 2000 were both excellent seasons
and both were unexpected, for me at least. I’m not sure which one was better.
I’m looking forward to 2009 and what KW does this off season. It should be fun!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to hear the site remains active
in the offseason. basically have the same view of the season as everyone else, so won’t reiterate. my best friend used to work with the guy that runs mlb trade rumors… if i hear anything, i’ll be sure to pass it along. glad i found this site, thanks for working so hard on it cheat.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 6, 2008 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Among other playoff-related news...
David Aardsma lives in a cave and plays plays profesional cricket, water polo, curling, handball, ping pong, and fencing under other names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Aardsma
"Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them." Catch-22
by mrx0321 on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats awesome
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im so glad i found this site this season.
its so fuckin bitchin.
officially google reader’d
by BoeJouma on Oct 6, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Grrr...Phil Rogers
The White Sox don’t have a real No. 1 starter, a guy who dominates teams on his good days and consistently beats them when he’s just all right. Buehrle is a winner but not an intimidator, an ideal No. 2 starter, maybe even No. 3. Danks (12-9) and Floyd (17-8) made huge strides in 2008 but still have some growing to do if they’re going to get there./blockquote>
I realize that “No. 1 starter” is ambiguous and that often people mean “ace” in the sense of Santana or Sabathia. But I have to say:
Danks had a 3.32 ERA (5th in the AL) in 195 innings, pitching in the Cell. Maybe he didn’t get deep enough in games, but please. That’s a fantastic year. I don’t know if he can do it again, but at least he’s done it once.
And Buehrle: 3.79 ERA, 18th in the AL (better than Josh Beckett!) 214 innings (again pitching in hitter-friendly park). Maybe he’s not a “No. 1” starter but let’s not go around thinking that kind of performance is what you should expect from the third slot in the rotation. Sheesh.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 6, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Screwed up the formatting....damn brackets
“I realize…” and thereafter is me, not Phil
by hitlesswonder on Oct 6, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
this guy is a moron. pretty sure most teams would be pumped to have buehrle as their number 1 and that he would be considered the number 1 on a good number of teams anyways. i’ve accepted that most media outlets do not care much for us and will continue to see our successes as aberrations year in and year out. we’ll never be the good guys in a movie or be easy for the general public to blindly jump behind. i don’t think i would want it any other way.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does Tampa Bay
but that won’t stop Phil from slobbering all over them. He just can’t give credit to KW, it hurts him too much.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox didn't have a No. 1 in 2005 under those standards
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 6, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly what i was about to say
its better to have four #2 starters than an ace and crap after him
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil forgets we won a World Series with no clear #1.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much would Hudson cost us?
i think i would be ok with signing him. as long as he doesn’t OrCa, he could give us a solid 2 years of 2B while Beckham develops
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Hudson?
The offseason has truly begun.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 6, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so are you still gonna be posting regularly at your site?
cuz my morning routine is already gonna be taking a hit
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 6, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always seen Hudson in a Sox uniform
Not sure why, but I have always had a feeling like he would be.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Oct 6, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he's black?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno why
he just has his guys he’s always chasing and Hudson always seems to be one of the mentioned.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i was just messin with you. lets hope he lands him before he turns into GS.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda figured
Unfortunately, he probably has just as many DL stints as GS
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
USCF=panacea
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if Hudson took a two-year deal
I wouldn’t be against sticking fatty at 2B next year so long as we had a major upgrade at 3B. Problem is, there aren’t a lot of good 3B on the market, whereas it may be easier to get a 2B or SS.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 6, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would too
but KW is good at talking players into picking us, look at JD back before 05. i know we probably won’t land him, but i’d be pretty pumped if we pulled it off.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 6, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't be too surprised at two year deal,
he’s had an injury riddled two seasons, not to mention, he’s had trouble staying healthy his whole career.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 6, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fatty just made 4.5 mil
Probably wants around that amount this year too. He’s a great bench player but too expensive.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Oct 7, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd sign him again at that salary
He’s done everything the organization has asked of him and, IMHO, has proven his worth in filling in for Crede.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a glove man who can play the entire infield above average?
for 4.5? sign me up.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Casey Blake a FA?
He could be a stopgap 3B…..
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is consistent
but he is 34. Kinda risky.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Oct 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Hudson...I'd be wary
He’ll be expensive in years and money….he’s got to be thinking 8M to 10M a year for contract that takes him to age 34 or 35. He’s not a base-stealer (if that’s important), and he’s coming off an injury. If I were sure his defense was still excellent, it would be more compelling but I’m not sure that’s the case.
Honestly, I think he’ll be too pricey for the Sox. I think they are likelier to trade for someone (Dye for Figgins?) and if that fails I think they’re likely to pick up a cheaper veteran stopgap for one of 2B and 3B and go with a organization guy (getz,frenchie,fields) at the other spot.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guh
if dye goes for figgins there better be a quality arm coming back from laa.
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 7, 2008 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe adenhart?
im still pissed we didnt trade paulie for ervin santana
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the best of my knowledge, Figgins is a FA (inked a 3 year deal Jan of 2006)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
arbitration eligible.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for clarifying
why the hell do people keep on posting about acquiring him? From my point of view, outside of Fields, we don’t have the chips to trade for any real talent. Besides, isn’t figgins an average to slightly below average ball player?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DB, directly ask the "people" if you want to know. larry is not my spokesperson.
Cabrera was not a FA, either, and we got him. Figgins fits a lot of needs (decent bat, multiple positions, speed, decent D),and he’s probably somewhat more, cost-wise, in the KW mold.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because there's a distinct chance that the angels will not offer arbitration to him and thus he will be a FA.
and there are worst things in life than having chone figgins on your team. it’s not an awful thought. he doesn’t strike me as a player who is going to experience this precipitous decline that some are arguing. he adds great baserunning – one of the best in baseall at that – and very good defense. these are the types of things that don’t show up in your average statistical “hey his OPS sucks” type analysis and are easy to ridicule because speed and defense are often cliches that get thrown out without much thought or fact behind them. but figgins has the goods behind him. three year deal wouldn’t bother me much. we’ll see what the angels decide to do before i get worked up over whether it’s worth it or not to sign/acquire.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like him at second a lot better than i like him at third
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a 2nd baseman. 2 or 3, actually. And one in the minors.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now you understand my question?
I was not aware that there was a significant chance of him not being offered arbitration and thus becoming a free agent. If you would have read my post fully instead of issuing a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps you wouldn’t have to get so worked up. ;)
And yes, that last sentence was to bust your balls as you so readily to do others, which, I might add, is usually amusing.
I can see why people would talk about Figgins if he’s a FA and the Sox don’t lose draft picks for signing him. I will add that I never posted that adding Figgins would be the worst possible thing for this team. Stop projecting ;) It has been my understanding that he’s an average to slightly below average ball player, but I haven’t looked up his win shares.
I understand that Figgins can run bases well. I wasn’t aware of his defensive prowess, thinking he was more of a utility player that was holding down the fort at a different position each year for the Angels until some prospect took over. My bad, I guess.
To sum it all up, I was asking for analysis and got what I asked for, plus some. Sorry that I hurt your feelings, WU, by not asking you directly. If the Sox sign Figgins as a FA and don’t lose draft picks, that’s titties. If they had to trade for him, I don’t know who they would be able to give up. Done and done.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're signing a stopgap we might as well just go after Grudz...
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 6, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want a good stop gap
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can do a lot worse than .299/.345/.399 for one year
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but he only played in half the games. and you have to wonder how long he can keep his mediocrity up. he’s gonna be 39 soon.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a suggestion
i’d honestly rather go after someone who can be a long term fixture.
sort out the beckham/ramirez logjam when he gets up here.
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 7, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's not available, but DeRosa would be an excellent fit
providing he can hit breaking balls and LHP (I haven’t dug into his stats).
I wouldn’t trade for him and I know he’s under contract for next season, just putting a “this would be a great player for the position” type of thing out there.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's available in a trade.
He’s a solid overall hitter, both breaking balls and vs LHP (normal righty platoon split i’d say). Personally I want to trade him as he’s one of the cubs few tradeable assets going into next season, and the roster is just getting bogged down with expensive contracts. What is your opinion on DeRo vs. Swisher? Considering swish is signed for a few more years, he seems like he’d be more valuable, maybe medium-grade prospect or two to make up the difference? Neither Chicago team has much in the minors, but the Cubs do have a bit more than the Sox…just not too much to deal from really. Other Cubs trade pieces of actual value would be Marshall, but as he’s similar to Danks just not as good, I doubt he’d be worth as much to the Sox as he might to some other clubs; and Pie, with not a whole lot behind that until you get to Ceda and other power relief prospects.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 7, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you really comparing
Marshall to Danks? Not even close buddy.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Season
There will be plenty of time to discuss what changes need to be made for next year.
For now, I am proud of my White Sox. They fought all year in difficult circumstances. And did better than the Cubs and the media that said all year that this is the Cubs year.
Thanks for a great year and let’s work to do even better next year.
by Alan Snipes on Oct 7, 2008 5:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to Casey Blake and Hudson
Blake will be 36 next year and will be looking for one more good contract. I don’t think anything less than 2 years 16 million gets him here, and that is way too much. I would rather see that money go elsewhere.
Hudson would come expensive as well. I’m counting on KW seeing angles that non of us do (as usual) and finding cheaper solutions than these guys.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 7:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why against Hudson?
I haven’t thought all things thru yet but my initial feeling is he would be a great fit or option.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
notice anything about his home/away splits while in arizona when he magically became an above average offensive player?
caveat emptor. there are a whole slew of red flags with bringing this guy to the south side. i haven’t looked at all of them in depth largely because there’s a whole lot of them. but what i’ve seen i haven’t liked much. not least of which is the contract he’d be asking for. thanks luis castillo!
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I see some of them
I guess my real question would be how much? I think it helps that like Arizona he would be playing half his games in a + offensive park. I have to believe his obp and glove would be very welcome here. He seems to “like” the White Sox. In the past that has meant some minor concessions money wise, but there are always some crackhead gm out there to blow you away.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not all "offensive parks"
are the same. the cell is largely an offensive park because balls fly out of the stadium. however, doubles and triples are actually suppressed. chase, on the other hand, is a doubles/triples haven. now, there’s some noise in there that would need to be sorted out (one of the reasons i’m not going to start making proclamations about hudson). but, at first blush, it doesn’t appear that hudson is necessarily suited to the cell like he’s suited to chase field considering a good portion of his slugging comes from XBHs of the non-HR variety.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ppreciate the in-depth lare
i was just throwin the name out there cuz he seems like one of the better FA 2B options and contract-wise looked like a solid fit to me. solid voice of reason you put up though
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've thought the same thing when i've looked at him in the past
cowley seems to think hudson is a lock to come to the south side though, so there’s that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
done and done
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Blake would be cheaper than that
I would peg him to be around a .780 OPS player, which isn’t particularly good. I guess a lot depends on how much better his defense is than Fields. A 2 year deal would be OK…I don’t know about the 8M per.
And I’m not married to the “Blake Plan”, I don’t even particularly like the idea. But the Sox defense with Alexiei at SS next season could be pretty bad — he wasn’t great at 2B and Cabrera was very good at SS so there will be a downgrade. It makes me think the Sox will want a steadier glove at 3B than Fields.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the succinct knowledge, Cheat.
No wasted words from you.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd Base ///////// 3rd Base.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soul Glo
Am I the only one who noticed that Griffey’s song for the last two games was Soul Glo? Almost made me like the guy.
by little hurt on Oct 7, 2008 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No but if that is true its awesome
Must be a massive inside joke
by 815Sox on Oct 7, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey's one of the funniest players in baseball
Unfortunately, he also happens to be one of the oldest.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 7, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic season, beyond expectations indeed!
All I asked for pre-season was a more exciting team that the bag of wet fuck that was ’07. Well I got that, PLUS bonus games. Too many highlights to recount (emergence of Che, Q for examples), but Game 163 will NEVER be forgotten.
Thx to KennyGM , Ozzie, the players. Also thanks to Cheat (or whatever name he goes by now) for providing such a great site.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hahaha "bag of wet fuck." hahahahahahahahaha, yep, that sounds about right!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really like this Chiburb guy, don't you?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh. he's ok. 'specially without all that sand in his vag.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best parts about this season is
The White Sox added an identity to the team. I know it sounds superficial, but I think that will help with the offseason pickups. The White Sox looked like a close knit family this year, and if I was a pro I would want to be part of that group.
by 815Sox on Oct 7, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, thank you for keeping this going all year.
For awhile I was wondering if you had the stomach to keep going and though you would flame out ala Bat-Girl. It seems once you cleaned house it renewed your dedication and enthusiasm for the site (not that your Sox passion ever waned, but your commitment to the site did), and we are all the better for it.
Thanks again for giving us (me) the forum to connect with other idiots like me. This is approximately the 3rd best thing that awaits me every day, and I appreciate your work.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
viagra and soul glo being 1 and 2?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1: Checking the obits and not seeing his name.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always nice to hear from the nursing home inhabitants.
Knowing I am not the oldest on this site is comforting, indeed. You OPOS.
Have fun with your kid next month.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2: Styling the tuft of chest hair that strategically peeks out of his shirt.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thrilled from the past season.
As one who thought they could be competitive coming into the season they exceeded my expectations. They added some good young players and have a solid starting point. Thank you Cheat and other mods for the forum.
Now begins or shortly after the complete season the time for the truly special on SSS. Any one want to take bets on who will be the first to “know” roster construction by the end of November?
Another thing, I think this season cemented KW and Ozzie as 2 of the Top 10 in their respective professions. Thank you for not listening KW and going for it this year.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
off-season
when i can actually follow whats going on the board here without having to read through game threads…. i could never keep up with that shit. cant wait to see what KW has in store and cant wait for our community projections to be way off.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on Oct 7, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see that Griffey catch last night? Yeeeehaw!!! Get the man an extended contract - we need a center fielder and Griff is our man for the future!!!!!!
General Soreness – MVP of the 2015 World Series.
Mark it, bitches!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they give MVPs to the third base coach, but I suppose it could happen
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Missile is able to attract other Cubans here?
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I'm expecting a big underground pipeline now.
But it’s Count who drives that bus, not Che. (CHE!)
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
white sox season in review from fangraphs
brings up some interesting points re: strength of schedule etc.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/season-in-review-chicago-white-sox
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we got boned there a bit, did we not?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding season...
all the way around. I feel really good about this season despite the fact that the last important game the Sox played was a loss.
And no, Keith, I haven’t forgotten our bet. I’ll get to that ASAP.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Today's Sun-Times
Is a pretty good summary of how awful their Sox coverage has been.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And now, for the offseason.
One thing I hope that Ken Williams learned this year was the importance of defense. Watching the Sox play the Rays was a study in contrasts. They had guys who could catch the ball, and the Sox did not. Having an outfield with three guys who just can’t get to the ball isn’t acceptable, and having a good defense will only make guys like Danks, Floyd, and Buehrle that much better.
So, here’s what I think the Sox should do -
1. Move Jermaine Dye. Considering his no-trade clause, a reliever and a “B” prospect should do nicely. Move Swisher to right, put Anderson in center. If they want to keep DeWayne Wise as a fourth outfielder, that would be fine.
2. Pick up an infielder. Let Cabrera walk, get someone with a good glove to play one of the infield positions (preferably someone who knows how to draw the occasional walk). Mix and match Ramirez, Uribe, and Getz for the other two infield positions. It doesn’t have to be someone great, just someone who can really field the position. I don’t know what the team plans to do with Josh Fields, but I don’t see him being in the picture much next season.
3. I’d like the Sox to try to sign a front-line starting pitcher, but I don’t know how realistic that is. Sabathia’s probably out of reach, as is Derek Lowe. Maybe Ben Sheets, injury risk and all?
4. Bring in a backup catcher who can really throw the baseball. The Sox are stuck with Pierzynski, but if the Sox are going to have a staff that can’t keep runners close, they need at least one catcher who can potentially throw out a baserunner or two. I don’t care if he can’t hit a lick, but Toby Hall isn’t the answer to any question.
I actually think the bullpen will sort itself out. I think Richard and Russell are just about ready to step into full-time bullpen roles, and if the Sox get a reliever for Dye, that should cover it. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Scott Linebrink will be useful over the last three years of his contract.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
again, jer, dye does not have a NTC.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"full" NTC. six teams is not an obstacle.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how much of an obstacle it is.
And not knowing which six teams it is, it’s hard to say for sure.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a six team NTC is rarely an obstacle to anything. zero effect on his trade value.
he’s essentially a one year rental at a rather reasonable rate. limiting the market by six teams means nada.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the sox trade dye for a reliever and a B prospect I will puke.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think an acceptable return for Dye would be?
I don’t think the Sox can afford to keep him on the roster, at least the way it’s currently made up. They can’t afford a lineup with three or four designated hitters any more.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly not that
A reliever??? Dye makes about 12 million next year with a 12 mill option in 2010 (1 mill buyout). Id say that is very valuable today.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"mutual" option
depends upon where he goes whether that’s considered value.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it has to be the right situation
I don’t mean to imply he is the greatest thing since slice bread. But a close to .900 ops for 12 mill?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i mean is, that option may not be seen as value by some teams because they think JD won't stay. or there'd be a high level of concern that he wouldn't stay.
let’s be honest. if JD has a great year again next year (something in the .850ish OPS or higher), he’d be smart to decline the mutual option and get one last payday via a multi-year deal.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh
I didn’t get the mutual part before. Yes that changes things a bit. Another .850 year he definitely opts out unless he is with the White Sox (where its 50/50)
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's sort of a catch 22.
you want JD because you think he’ll hit well in 2009, right? but if he does that, he’ll probably decline the option. so i think lots of teams would just view his contract as a one year deal with the million buyout tacked on. still very reasonable. and lots of teams – 20+? – would have interest in that.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wasn't thinking...
of getting value for Dye, more of moving him off the roster. The Sox simply don’t have room for Quentin, Dye, Swisher, Thome, and Konerko. One of them needs to go.
A couple of weeks ago, I was thinking that maybe the Sox should trade Carlos Quentin, as his trade value will likely never be higher. I still think that might be a good idea (although larry had a good point that maybe teams would be leery of trading for him after his broken wrist), but I don’t think the Sox will move him.
Thome isn’t going anywhere, and neither is Konerko. I’d be against trading Swisher at this point, as I think he’ll bounce back next year, and his trade value has got to be pretty low at the moment. That leaves Dye.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. let's trade away assets and not get value. real smart.
i always forget that KW is a moron. silly me.
come on, jer.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'm not sure...
what would be a good return for Dye right now. I was just throwing something out there. If the Sox can get more than a reliever and a prospect, I’d be thrilled.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye's worth a decent return at $12M for a year, I'd think.
Don’t know exactly what, but I’d think maybe a blocked 3B or 2B prospect able to give you league average production could come back if you’re willing to run with somebody like that (maybe like a Brandon Wood or slightly lower but similar type of guy?) Or an actual plus-reliever, like a good setup guy or top 7th inning guy. But I don’t think that’s what you’d want. I would also consider maybe an injury-prone but frontline-potential pitcher, although probably not in a trade, some of these guys should be on the market.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 7, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there ever anyone that you think they SHOULD keep?
You do realize they will be playing to compete again next year right? Everything can’t always be about this slow deliberate building you seem to prefer. I am not against trading players but you almost ALWAYS should be trying to get value. They didn’t win 60 games and are just trying to clear payroll man.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, then...
hold out for more. I’m not married to the idea of trading Dye for a reliever and a prospect. But he should be moved one way or the other. Holding onto him doesn’t make much sense to me.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on if you can move your fav person Konerko
Which might actually be possible this time.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that happening.
Konerko’s a five-and-ten guy, and anyway, if you’re talking about selling for value, Konerko’s value is lower than Dye’s at this point. The Sox might as well keep him around.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right
But he would approve of a LA trade and there is a decent chance they won’t sign Tex. You might make it work with them even off of Paulie’s down year.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would have thought a guy who has apparently seen his prediction about the decline of PK come true
would want to extricate himself from a contract like paulie’s. what does an OPS+ trend chart of 134, 116, 103 say to someone like you jer?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says...
that the last two years of his contract are likely to be brutal.
But I’m trying to be realistic. Ken Williams isn’t going to trade him for salary relief. Even if he wanted to, Konerko’s still a fan favorite. And the Sox aren’t the kind of team to send along cash in order to get value in return when they trade veterans.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fan favorite to who(m?)?
Sox fans aren’t stupid, and 134, 116, 103 speak for themselves.
Joe Morgan would be aghast at your inconsistency,
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game a week ago.
I still saw lots and lots of Konerko jerseys. If the Sox dump him for nothing (especially after he was pretty good in August/September), Williams would take a lot of heat.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there will be lots and lots of konerko jerseys in the stands long after he's gone...
because once you drop dough on a jersey (likely prior to or immediately following the world series win) you wear it.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. what other jerseys did you see, jer?
perhaps some bo jackson ones? daubach? rowand? mccarthy? this was just my section yesterday.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and Mom went to the game?
WTF? I thought she was money?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as i know, she wasn't there. haven't talked to her, though.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Therein lies the problem.
No Mom = no W.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my sis is still sporting her mackowiak jersey, i'm sure.
yikes.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i saw a guy on sunday
wearing a black sox jersey with “bartman 03” on the back. admittedly, i chuckled, but, really, that’s a pretty sad way to spend your money.
by Ryno on Oct 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really saw a mccarthy jersey?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday...
there was a guy wearing a Takatsu jersey. I’d wear a plain black sweatshirt before pulling the black Takatsu jersey outta the mothballs!
Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?
by defensive indifference on Oct 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, from 3 years ago. This ain't the Cubs, we know
falling production when we see it. Not saying he couldn’t bounce back from an unlucky injury-filled year (see Dye), but am saying they/we wouldn’t torch the place if he were dealt to LA to fill a need here.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm saying...
that the Sox won’t get anything back if they trade Konerko now, certainly not unless they send a lot of money with him (which they won’t do). Trading Konerko would be to open a logjam at 1B/DH and move salary. And Ken Williams won’t do that, for a lot of reasons.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee trade?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee...
was worth more than Paul Konerko currently is.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big surprise that you would say that.
You’d have said that in 2005. (I agree with the current assessment.)
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I would.
there’s not much controversial about that statement.
Carlos Lee was entering his age-29 sesaon and coming off a 127 OPS+ year.
Paul Konerko is entering his age-34 season and just posted a 103 OPS+.
The White Sox got two mediocre players and two non-prospects for Lee. What could they get for Konerko right now?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
if he doesn’t project to add anything to the team from here on out, then just using a roster space costs more to the team’s success than his contract. the Sox can probably score a somewhat useful player for him since Paulie can probably post a .270/.350/.470 line next year.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox dumped Thomas
I don’t remember any sort of fan revolt.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. Were you not reading the site?
Lots of pissed off folks. And Frank had been a pain in the ass (and injured) for longer than a summer.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People showed up at the park the next year
Bought tickets, merchandise, watched the games.
A couple fans complaining on SSS does not affect the business.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't really matter.
attendance went up post-frank. in 2006, holdover from world series. in 2007, holdover from 90-win shoulda coulda woulda made the playoffs season. in 2008, less than ‘06 or ’07 but still more than ’05. next year will be big attendance barring a fire sale, which ain’t gonna happen.
winning makes fans go to the ballpark and buy merch, not holding on to aging, unproductive players.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think konerko is tradeable
Sadly. He’s the one really bad contract the Sox have (linebrink is annoying for the length but the money isn’t a constraint).
On the plus side, I think PK can put up another 116 to 120 OPS+ season in 2009. I hope.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he can do a .270/.350/.470 year
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. a reliever? lol.
never trade real players for relievers not named mariano rivera, joe nathan, or something in that top echelon. relievers = fungible.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again,,,
what would be an acceptable return for Dye at this point? I was trying to be realistic. A mediocre second baseman?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better question is why you think Dye's value is so low?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of variables in that one, jer.
are we talking a jon garland-esque deal where the sox are looking for basically a short-term rental at a need position? then you’d want a roughly comparable player. are the sox looking longer term? then an average second baseman who is cost-controlled for, let’s say, three years or something makes sense. however, basically any reliever who would be availabe is not appropriate. add up the wins you’re trading away and get that much back, at least.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I’d like to see the Sox get at least one player back who was born in the ‘80s. I’d rather have someone who isn’t quite as good, but who will be around for a few years, than another one-year rental. But I could see Ken Williams thinking differently, and if he brings in, say, a good starting pitcher on the last year of his contract for Dye, I’d be happy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why get rid of Dye?
He had a great year.
I’d move Thome or Konerko if I could…but be realistic – all three will be here next year. Add speed and situational hitting via CF and 2B. Move Ramirez to SS.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's quite realistic JD is gone.
he’s the sox’ primary trade bait. he’d be perfect for a garland-cabrera esque deal whereby the sox trade from their “depth” to get someone else’s depth.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye is probably the easiest to move of the three
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather move JD...
For a starter. I’m at work and really don’t want to go research which teams have a surplus of starting pitching, but it seems like a JD-for-starter deal could be a possibility, kind of a reverse Garland trade but with a better pitcher involved. Any ideas for this one?
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what do you do with Swisher?
Sit him on the bench? Sell low on him?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
odds JD, PK, and JT all stay similarly healthy next year?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you'd be okay...
with the Sox breaking camp next spring with Quentin/Anderson/Dye in the outfield, and Swisher on the bench?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you move Dye
if you can. But, KW loves him some Dye.
Them move Q! to RF and Swish to LF. What to do in CF….Anderson? I hope not, not everyday. We could sign Punto and put him in CF? he is a grinder….(I am kidding)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
Looking over the FA for OF I will go ahead a upgrade’s value just a tic. Brutal! Dunn, Bradley and blah…
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
and upgrade Dye’s value just a tic.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know
maybe Dye could bring back an OF’er that could play CF. Otherwise Figgins in CF? Kotsay – his wife is hot.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dye for kotsay?
you can do better than that
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay can't stay healthy, didn't hit that well for the A's in 2007, and is old
Yes, you can do much better than that.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who says swisher is on the bench?
good lord, anderson over him? i don’t see that happening.
in a vaccum of not knowing what other moves would be made, if any, i don’t have much issue with the sox not getting rid of anyone from that group because i’m highly skeptical – just like i was this year – of all three of those staying healthy (heck, considering his history, should i expect quentin to stay healthy, too?). i think this year is simply a prelude of the injury issues for PK that generally hit players like him at this age. thome always will have that back concern and other issues for sluggers of his age (sox did a great job with him this year – kudos once again to herm). JD is getting to that age where injuries become a bit more prevalent, too. i don’t mind the insurance especially at that rate. ideally you trade him. but i think one needs to consider what other moves are made.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
you’d be okay with Swisher back in center? Swisher’s a decent outfielder (better than he was in Oakland), but man, it’s a lot of ground he needs cover out there.
I really think that Dye’s a DH at this point, and if you’re going to put him in right field, you need an above-average center fielder.
It really stinks that the upper levels of the Sox minor-league system are so barren. The Sox don’t even have a replacement-level player to fall back on.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't you say that Dye was finished in RF before this season?
seems to me (without stats) he had a pretty good year in the field after a crappy one in ’07. Maybe it has more to do with his health than age?
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think that Dye is good in the outfield?
It looks like he’s running in slow-motion out there. He’s doing his best, but his best just isn’t very good any more.
And as highly-touted defensively as Carlos Quentin was when he came in, he looked pretty shaky, too.
I can’t find the numbers, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox led the league in triples allowed this year.
Both Dye and Quentin have good throwing arms, but that’s about all I can say for their defensive prowess out there
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerry doesn't like fielding stats. so don't try to argue with him about defense.
i will note for your own edification that dye bounced back from a rather putrid year last year to post a below average year, basically in line with his 2006. he was -7 in dewan’s system, which is quite close to last amongst RFs. however, RFers were overall pretty good this year so, in an usual year, he likely would not be ranked quite as low. he’s still easily in the lower third at his position.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was decent in pretty much all fielding metrics this year
BUT I don’t know or think the Sox should press their luck.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year of OF that can produce an OPS of .850+ is valuable
He can hit and there’s no long term commitment. Yes, I think they can get something like a league average 2B for him. That’s not bad.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jre u are better than this.
We have an extremely aggressive GM… If you think he is going to move Jermaine you are nuts. He is the steadiest offensive player we have. We will let O’Crab walk if we can not upgrade 2nd base. Brian Roberts is the perfect fit for this team. If there is a big fish out there it’s Roberts. We don’t need a premiere CF, we need a 3rd baseman. I can live with BA in cf as long as he is batting 8 or 9. We could use a front of the rotation horse but that need is not imminent with the emergence of Richard (not saying he is a #1 but could be our 4th starter). I agree we need a back up catcher. Vazquez would make an overpriced 5th starter so if we can move him then by all means get what you can.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think if we've learned anything around here, it's that none of us are better than anything.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I just don’t understand why everyone wants to trade Dye? We need to trade Thome, another bad series, UNCLUTCH no matter what anyone says. Then we can rotate PK and Dye in the DH spot so Swish would still have a spot on this team. I mean could Thomer have been any more worthless in the playoffs? I would pick up Griffey’s option before I brought that unclutch sack of shit back.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fade to black:

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aww. poor skanberg...
no Trophinea this year.
But thanks for a great read all season, Carl!!!!
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! did you notice they're already arguing roster construction?
oh boy! the off season has started!
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasting no time at all....as though the season is just a prelude to the REAL discussion!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, smart guys.
Probability GS is on the Chicago White Sox next year.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hope no more than 15 - 20.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 responses.
Average is ~~ 4.68468%.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GS really has no place on this team
I’d say maybe 5%, and that’s only if he accepts being a backup for the last few years of his career.
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZERO
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
before everyone goes answering with ZERO....
let us consider august 1st, when most of us argued that the probability of him starting in CF was ZERO.
KW works in mysterious ways….I don’t know that he is done with Griff yet.
What are the chances that Thome gets the boot and Griff becomes DH in ’09?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay minus Thome gone
ZERO
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather difficult to give thome the boot, no?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, see, i don't follow all the contract shit really....so i don't know how bound we are to anyone.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just speculating on the premise that griff is absolutely worthless in the field, and hopefully KW finally realizes that much....so if he had a boner for him and wanted to keep him, DH would be the only real "position" for him....
don’t get me wrong – i don’t want thome to go anywhere….just wondering if there was any possibility that he would.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
the only scenario i can envision where he returns is if the sox offer him arbitration (questionable in the first place) and griffey doesn’t find anyone else to take him for what he could get or better in arbitration and he accepts arbitration.
and i’m someone who certainly thought the opposite on the whole griffey playing center probability thing.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok. well that consoles me a bit.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1.423432578302456834068%
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shut your pi hole
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Season
Great season that exceeded even my far above average (for SSS at least) expectations.
I think 3B is Fields’ to lose and should be. I think if you have a chance to have a cheap average or even slightly below average 3B (offense and defense combined) for the next 4 years you simply have to completely explore that option.
However I agree we have to improve our deffense with OC gone. I like Mark Ellis if his medical reports from his offseason surgery are good. Because of the surgery, he will likely be able to be signed short term as we await the arrival of Beckham.
I’d be OK with trading JD as long as we get value in return. I’m also Ok with leaving the outfield as Q, Swish, Dye. And leaving Paulie and Thome where they are. Then in 2010 either JD or Thome goes with Paulie moving to DH and Swish to 1B.
My greatest concern though may be whether Alexei can effectively play SS. His advanced fielding metrics have been pretty bad at 2B.
By the way, I like the idea of trading JD for Adrian Beltre, who according to at least one fielding metric saved the most runs with his glove in all of baseball. His ballpark and fielding prowess make him underated even with his big contract. He is one guy that I would push Fields aside for.
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on Oct 7, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So,
Fields at 3B, Alexei at SS, Getz at 2B, Konerko at 1B, Swish in LF, Anderson in CF, Q! in RF, AJ at C, and JT at DH.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with it all, especially the Alexei at SS part...
everyone talks like it’s a given he’ll slide over just fine, but I’m not so sure either.
Has there ever been a case of a starting ML player going to the AFL to try a new position?
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really trying a new position
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it is. If Cuba is equal (or so) to AA, then it's as new a position to him as 2B
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not understanding your logic
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people really think Fields will be at 3B?
Cowley this morning implied he was essentially out of the Sox plans for 3B because they were so done on his glove. I don’t think Fields will be on the major league roster starting 2009.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why in the world would you cite Cowley as authoritative?
at least we know who his reader is!
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was right about uribe. why question him?
i’d wait to see what his glove looks like after an(other) offseason of work. it’s not like fields doesn’t know this is an issue, after all.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't get this to format correctly. but i imagine most of us can get past the mess and figure it out. and can also figure out a rather easy way to upgrade the team's production.
Pos Players Avg OBP Slg OPS
1 Cabrera (128 G), Swisher (29 G) . .274 .339 .372 .711
2 Pierzynski (83 G), Cabrera (32 G) . .258 .301 .393 .694
3 Quentin (93 G), Thome (37 G), Dye (33 G) .265 .366 .512 .878
4 Dye (78 G), Konerko (48 G), Thome (35 G) .263 .346 .501 .846
5 Thome (67 G), Dye (34 G), Konerko (32 G) .281 .359 .548 .907
6 Konerko (41 G), Pierzynski (30 G), Crede (28 G) .233 .313 .384 .697
7 Swisher (56 G), Ramirez (40 G), Crede (20 G) .249 .328 .445 .773
8 Crede (41 G), Ramirez (31 G), Swisher (27 G) .268 .323 .491 .814
9 Uribe (70 G), Hall (28 G), Ramirez (26 G) .270 .311 .391 .703
Total .263 .332 .448 .780
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What, shuffle the lineup around?
I am a bit worried that Alexei Ramirez will be the leadoff hitter next year.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds are strong the "leadoff hitter" isn't on the roster
Someone will be brought in for 3B or 2B or CF that will hit leadoff.
You should be more worried that KW will pay an high, high price to acquire Chone Figgins or someone Figginsesque.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a push for Crisp
now.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Figgins.
You see his rag arm in CF? His hitting is not enough of an upgrade over BA or Swish.
Please, no Crisp. Figgins is target #1, I’d bet. I’d pass on Sheets, too – why mess with that injury history?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we seem to have good luck with bringing in guys
and having them stay healthy. dye was injured all the time before we got him..
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers?
Matty and DocOc, yes. Liney, no. Floyd/Danks were never hurt. Pitchers are fragile. Not for the moeny he probably wants.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Do we really want five years of worrying every time Sheets takes the mound? I think not.
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
five years?
i doubt there are any crackpot GMs left that will offer him more than three guaranteed years.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to start talking about acquiring a player like Chone Figgins
Or are we going to acquire THE Chone Figgins?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be scary.
Figgins can draw a walk, unlike Ramirez, but he had a scary drop in power this year, and he’s reaching the age where his speed won’t help him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean that...
his speed will start to decline, if it hasn’t started declining already.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Declining from where, though? And how much?
I’d take a bit of a decline from whence he came vs. what we have, if the price is right. IF the price is right would you rather have Fields or Figgins at 3B?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
Figgins I can see declining rapidly.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so important as a 3B. I can see it if the plan is for him to spell (someone) in CF.
I can’t speak to his injury history but he seems less injury prone than Pods or Owens (our former speed merchants).
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Figgins at 3B
and it would be icing on the cake if they brought in Ellis at 2B (I think he resigns with Oakland) and trade Dye for a young CF or something.
As I’ve stated previously (I think), it would be nice to sign a “B” FAs or two since they don’t cost the Sox high draft picks. Trading Dye for a piece or two would be nice as well, but I’d be willing to go into 2009 with Swish in CF, Quentin in LF, and Dye in RF again with Che at SS or 2B, Uribe at 2B or on the bench, etc. etc.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mark ellis = suck.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry guys, my sh*t doesn't work in the Playoffs either.
Over the last six seasons I’ve attended 8-10 games a year and seen them lose exactly once before last night. It’s a lot more fun walking down those endless ramps with Sweet Home Chicago playing and a win under the belt. C’est la vie.
We’ll get ’em next year!
Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?
by defensive indifference on Oct 7, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: John Lackey is an asshole
“We are a better team than they are,” Lackey said. “The last two days, we shouldn’t have given up anything. They scored three runs on a pop fly that was called a hit, which was a joke. They scored on a broken-bat ground ball and a fly ball that anywhere else in America is an out, and he’s fist-pumping on second base like he did something great.”
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
I wonder if the Angels were better than the Red Sox the last 300 times they lost to them in the playoffs?
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he'd pout as he threw someone through the wall.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd.
Wonder if they were better than us in 2005, really. I wonder.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually not sour grapes.
“Sour Grapes” is not the same as being a sore loser.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was yelling and grimacing last night with his IF's errors.
Bad form to show up your teammates on national television.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing he was also showing his weird teeth and flobbity neck.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad form for him to ever show his mug in any form on national television. yikes.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did anybody see in game one...
When Scoscia went to take him out and Lackey just stares at him for about five seconds before loudly dropping an F-bomb?
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then your point mr. lackey
is that even with all things said you still couldn’t win ? fuck you you ugly donkey fuck
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this guy's got some great ideas for next year
I agree with you Joe on how the Sox need to get faster and younger. However, they shouldn’t get rid of them without some value back. Trade Javy, OC, and Thome to Padres for Peavy. If he’s healthy, he will be good. Secondly, trade Crede and Griffey to Angels for Figgins. He’s fast and still young. Trade PK and Uribe to Arizona for Hudson. That would be a good offseason. Plus, the Sox could take chance on Fukudome, now that Cubs are done with them, he could play Center, who knows, he could be better in AL, like Josh Hamilton.
Posted by: Jason | Oct 6, 2008 7:46:24 PM
by Ryno on Oct 7, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade away a bunch of players the Sox don't have a contract for?
Brilliant!
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
colin, sorry to say this but jason's got the inroads on any front office opening.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheeeeeeit
bunch of fuckin amateurs.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"But we don't own the coasts of Tripoli!"
“Shhh! By the time they figure that out, we’ll have taken our suicide pills!”
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Jason AKA
SSH’s Brother-In-Law?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg my favorite part of that masterpiece
his analysis on peavy…
If he’s healthy, he will be good
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right on there.
Ignoring the whole “trading Free Agents” thing, I love the sentiment that if you pile up enough mediocre players, you get one good player.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thome to convert to loogy for pads.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It works in Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr. on the N64
That’s how I always was able to field a team of Mike Piazza, Frank Thomas, Craig Biggio, Alex Rodriguez, Paul Molitor, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., Larry Walker, and Tony Gwynn.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok so that leaves us with
Buehrle
Danks
Floyd
Peavy
Richard
C- AJ
1B- ?
2B- Hudson
3B- Figgins
SS- Alexei
LF- Quentin
CF- Fukudome (aka Josh Hamilton)
RF- ?
DH- ?
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin plays DH.
Figgins plays all other positions, like Kelly Lee.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nessie.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is this guy not writing stuff for this site
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly what I was thinking
can we recruit him?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is this guy even talking about
They play like a slow team but they found that Danks,Floyd & Lincoln looked solid for the future …if we can somehow trade for R.Oslwalt or Peay + find out what do with Crede will be in good shape…Keep Dye!
Posted by: sportbandit | Oct 6, 2008 9:11:21 PM
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he means Abe Lincoln.
He’s tall and rangy. Brings the heat.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how do you explain this?
+ find out what do with Crede will be in good shape…
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I don't get.
It’s like Escher wrote that sentence.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this guy had a lot to drink before writing.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sniffing out your people again?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A dog's life, man...
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might be a bit rusty, though.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Caucasian Alexei Ramirez, maybe?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a lot of talk about BA in CF next year
Do we really think his career 655 OPS is the answer?
I like BA as 4th outfielder – he can defend all 3 positions well and this year has had a little bit of pop in his bat when pinch hitting.
He can’t get on base to save his life, which is the last thing this offense needs more of. BA in CF on a regular basis would be a disaster.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes. 'twould.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the alternative?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KW ninjas us up a CF somehow
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could also ninja up a SS and put Ramirez in CF
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HANLEY RAMIREZ PLZ
trade orlando cabrera, ken griffey kr, carl everett, sandy alomar, and frank thomas (washed up) for hanley ramirez
Jason
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to throw in orlando hudson and mickey mantle's worm-ridden corpse
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
common be serious
we dont have the right to either of those two… if we did we could probably snag arod and hanley in a three way
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
arod, hanley and madonna?
wha?
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe...
Mickey Mantle comes strolling out of a cornfield in Iowa.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mickey Mantle's worm ridden corpse could put up a better batting line than starting BA will next year
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Darin Erstad would listen...
if the White Sox called.
In all seriousness, if the Sox can somehow find a center fielder who is above-average both with the bat and with the glove, I’d be thrilled. But as the roster stands, Anderson is probably the best option the team has.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank god hes been resigned by the stros
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swisher...
is not an above-average center fielder.
He’s average at best.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the best option then is the guy with the below average offense and the above average glove?
failing to follow the logic.
and if swisher were to put up a 125 OPS+ while playing center that would most certainly be an above average CF almost regardless of what kind of defense he plays there.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying then...
that you’d be happy with an outfield of Quentin, Swisher, and Dye in 2009?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging ssh2005, paging ssh2005.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was just thinking that: with JRE front and center again
after much of the season being absent, why not allow SSH to come back?
Only been a day, but I’m not seeing much difference.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not touching that.
i meant that jre was acting like ssh in taking a statement full of nuance and maiming it.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i took it a step further that what you meant.
guilty
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the most redeeming quality of this site.
we do not know when to say when.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speak for yourself, alkie! ;)
/ducks
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
what I said was that I would be happy with a center fielder who was above average both with the glove and with the bat. I have already explained multiple times why I feel the White Sox need a center fielder who is above-average defensively, at least if they plan on trotting Quentin and Dye out there. If he can hit, too, that’s a bonus.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cell's CF is small
it’s more important to have great SS/2B/3B defensive combos at the Cell imo
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know what he's saying, but I'd say yes:
assuming Swisher improves at the plate, or at least gets back to his career OBP.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the black ross gload, of course.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Thome?
WOW, THAT’S GREAT THAT HE’S GOING TO BE READY AFTER THIS SERIES PROVIDED THE SOX ACTUALLY WIN THIS SERIES. SO WHAT GOOD IS HE TO THE TEAM AND FANS NOW? HOW BOUT HE TEACHES ALL TEAMMATES AND ALL FANS HOW TO BREAK YOUR WRIST WHILE GOING POSTAL AND HOLDING A BAT?
LOVE YOU QUENTIN, AND KNOW YOUR A GREAT ASSET TO THIS TEAM ONCE YOU LEARNT THAT LOUISVILLE SLUGGERS ARE STRONGER THAN YOUR WRIST OR ANYOTHER PART OF YOUR BODY.
Posted by: KEVIN JACOBSON | Oct 6, 2008 6:28:23 PM
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by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT MY ALIAS
KEVI
KEVIN JACOBSON
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
Louisville Sluggers are not stronger than Q!. Q!’s wrist snapped because Q! is too strong for his wrists.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA full time in CF with Q in RF and Swisher in LF actually sounds OK to me.
But Dye would have to be moved for a solid middle infielder or a solid starter. Build the team around an average offense and good pitching and defense.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chelexei in CF
Heck, he played CF from 2B the games general soreness started already.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hee.
I thought this thread would be more of a “sign the guest book at the wake” type of thing. Instead it quickly turned into “ok, I buried my wife… now where’s that blond I saw earlier?” sentiment.
Too funny..
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't argue with the vibes, but i am mighty curious as to whether it would be any different if the cubs were about to play in the nlcs.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
The Sox did a lot better than anyone expected them to. I figured any playoff wins were gravy.
Besides, I never saw the point of post-mortems. The Sox needed to win yesterday. They didn’t. Season over. What else is there to say?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least have a funeral. Are you a Yid or something? Body ain't cold yet.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't saying that. signing the guestbook can be full of thank yous too.
more commenting on the blond.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made a comment.
I was happy with the way the season went. Not much to say other than that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like the new sig. :)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think generally -- in a non-playoff year --
we’re already discussing this type of stuff throughout the season. But we all held off this year, so we’ve got a bunch to get off our chests.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know if the Cubs are picking up Harden's contract?
I’m trying to get an idea of which free agent pitchers will be available. I suppose know whether they are in the “A” or “B” pool would help.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be a real quick "uh, yes"
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Cubs will pick up his contract.
Some people were complaining about how Harden can demand a trade if the Cubs pick up the option…but if he were to do so (and he seems to like it here) he will still be under the $7M contract. So there is no reason for him to demand a trade. Note that even if the Cubs don’t pick up Harden’s $7M option, he would then be under Cubs control and arb-eligible. As I doubt he’d get less than 7 in arb, there’s no real point to not pick up his option.
If you get 100 innings from him next year, the 7M is a good deal.
Hell, I think 50 innings might even be worth it. He is ridiculous. And if he can ever pitch a whole season (doubtful i know, but hey he did pitch a decent # of innings this year)…well then he’s worth like 30 mil. So yeah, if I worked for the cubs (which I should…have to talk to cuban about that one ha), harden would already have his contract in hand ready to sign as soon as allowed by rule.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 7, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea hed probably be worth 30 million easy....
fucking santana is only worth what 20?
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not making that much more than Linebrink or Dotel
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to follow up on my earlier post re: batting order OPS...
Rays/White Sox
Hey, the White Sox hit two home runs and scored… two runs. For the series, they scored six of their 13 runs on homers, a near-perfect match for their in-season mark. In the four games, they had 22 singles, four doubles, and 10 walks. That’s not enough, not nearly enough. They got two good starts, and they needed more. The very simple formula that helped them win the Central broke down for a week.
The reaction to a team that relies on home runs the way that the Sox do is to say that they need to play more small ball, show the ability to manufacture runs, add speed, all the usual clichés. The Sox don’t necessarily need that. They do, however, need to diversify, and by that, I mean find any other offensive skill. Hit some singles, doubles, triples, draw some walks, steal some bases. The Sox are one-dimensional, and not in the good way that gets criticized by people who don’t understand that teams can score a lot of runs without channeling the 1909 Detroit Tigers, like, say, the early Billy Beane A’s. These White Sox don’t pair home runs with walks. They don’t pair them with anything, and they haven’t for some time. They have to diversify.
Knowing how baseball works, though, I’ll make this prediction: The White Sox will score fewer runs next season, have a lower EqA, use more small-ball tactics, and be praised for having a better offense.
The Rays just played better baseball. They didn’t do any one thing particularly well—although their bullpen was just a little ridiculous: 11 2/3 innings, 13 strikeouts, two walks, one run allowed. For four games, J.P. Howell and Grant Balfour looked for all the world like Norm Charlton and Rob Dibble at their 1990 peak. Dominating the Sox of a different color will be a more challenging task, but right now, this bullpen is as dangerous as that of the Angels’ team the Red Sox just dispatched, and perhaps more threatening for the presence of two good southpaws.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8174
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Quentin...
had more runs scored than Orlando Cabrera, despite having 160 fewer plate appearances.
It would be nice to have someone with actual OBP skills at the top of the order, which is one reason why Nick Swisher’s struggles were so frustrating.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This I can get behind.
Not a Sox-hating post, just the truth. Nice. We know diverification works in most market cycles.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
diverification:
You show the ID, I be diverifyin’ it you.
Agree re the ‘truthiness’ of the post.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ev'rybody funny. Now you funny, too.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's kind of amusing, of course.
what did KW try to do this offseason (in large measure)? acquire OBP in swisher and quentin. one delivered quite well and the other delivered quite not well. and basically neither were there in the playoffs. i’m not sure it’s quite the problem this article says it is. i think that the sox basically need to acquire one player who gets on base. stick him in the #1 or #2. hope that swisher turns things around. stick him at #2. voila, a lot of the problem is solved.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. now we can spend 6 or 7 months arguing who that would be!
All I know is we don’t have a clue what Kenny will do.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah a big obp guy would be super valuable to the sox right now
don’t know who might fit the bill, but say they could pick up like a 300/380/420 guy, that would be an ideal pickup that should be able to happen. he’s comparatively worth a lot more due to the sox current strength of HRs and weakness in OBP.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Help us, Tim Raines!
You’re our only hope.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The team doesn’t need to radically revamp its offense like they did last offseason. Jettison Dye for a middle infielder that can get on base and run a bit (easier said that done I know), hope Swisher bounces back (he should) and there you go.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Jettison Dye"
You guys “jettison”
.292 .344 .541 , 34 HRs 96 RBIs
like it’s easily replaceable.
Konerko older, Thome older, AJ older and all likely to decline.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Dye older, likely to decline
I love Dye, he’s always a professional, he’s a hell of hitter, and he goes all out as fast as his old legs will take him in the outfield. And he has a nice arm.
That said, he’s probably the Sox’ best trade chip to clear up the logjam at DH/1B/OF.
I’m not saying “trade him just to trade him”.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, nobody going to pay what he's worth to us.
Go with Q!, Swisher, Dye.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To madvillian
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if he hits .270 instead of .290
you’re looking at .270/.320/.500 and worse if his power numbers start to decline. which is to say, he’ll be his 2007 self.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what the "J" stood for.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’s what I was going say. The Sox have 2 guys in Q and Swish that should bring decent OBP to the table next season. If they can get 1 guy to get on base at a .360 clip and hit one or two (and play 2B/CF/3B) then I think that’s the change to make. Fill in the other positional holes from inside the organization.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Nick Swisher was brought in to get on base and he completely shit the bed this year
I have high hopes going forward that he can be a 255/370/470 guy again next year.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many wins would that be worth for a full season of CF over what we had this year?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh somewhat true
“The very simple formula that helped them win the Central broke down for a week.”
Yeah his name was Carlos Quentin…….
I think the Rays played better no doubt but I liked our chances if Q played and the rotation could have been set up (point to Larry). If the goofs won that last game in Minnesota Danks or Buerhle could have started game 1. Ensuring heavy dose of lefties for the series.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I don't get is that every year
Ozzie says he wants more speed and he wants to play more smallball bullshit. And every year KW gives him more slow plodders that take walks, hit for low average, and hit home runs.
You’d think BP would have kinda noticed the disconnect. Ozzie, as usual, talks out of both sides of his mouth on this one. Thank god Oz is a good enough manager to know that you play to your strenghts. I didn’t see too many bunts or hit and runs or straight steals out of this bunch, and that is how it should be.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Jenks as trade bait has not surfaced yet.
Should the Sox trade the “Rivera” of our bullpen? Are we ready to call him that after his resurgence the last week or two re: velocity?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they don't test for steroids in the playoffs.
obvious where the velocity came from. same for upton and his homers.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
q! would have pulled some serious mr. october shit.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow. gotta save something for tomorrow.
and the next 6 months or so.
sheesh.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO! I'M PANICKING NOW! TRADE THEM ALL! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't wait for the next Cowley Twitter!
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let's summarize our needs:
1)OBP at the top of the order
2)Defense
3)Quality starter
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#3 should be further down on any list.
just like i argued it was this past offseason. everyone always wants more pitching, of course…
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be on the list
but it wouldn’t be a critical need like it is now, obvs.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, as larry said, I just don't see how the Sox get a quality starter
They won’t go the years necessary to get a big name FA, so they are limited to Paul Byrdesque FA acquisitions (and even that they would shy away from I think). That leaves trade, and they don’t the chips to get a quality starter unless they open another big hole. I think Richard will be the 5th starter.
I was intrigued by the idea of moving Vazquez after he combusted 3 times, but I don’t see how they could replace him with someone better.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm only looking at roster gaps and stats from last year
this september + playoffs was pretty stressful on our pitchers i would guess, particularly danks. if we can’t count on him to be our ace next season, then an upgrade is needed in the lower spots to account for it.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And our roster gaps:
C Pierzynski
1B Konerko
2B ?
3B ?
SS Ramirez
LF Quentin
CF Swisher
RF Dye
DH Thome
4th OF – BA
IF – ?
Backup C – Hall
RHB – ?
Start 1 – Buehrle
Start 2 – Danks
Start 3 – Vazquez
Start 4 – Floyd
Start 5 – ???
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
in house solutions:
2B – Getz
3B – Fields
IF – sign Uribe
RHB – David Cook? Dn. Right handed bat was just a thought anyway…you put who makes the most sense in that spot.
Start 5 – Clayton Richard
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the questions to answer are:
Can Getz be a full time second baseman? Can Fields be a full time third baseman? How good is Clayton Richard exactly? How will the IP boost affect John Danks? Will Swish recover? Who are good candidates for sudden decline?
Anything else?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you haven't mentioned jerry owens yet. for shame.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehhehehehehe.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really wish you hadn't mentioned his name.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I know Thome is back again next year, and I don’t necessarily have a problem with that, but I’d want to have some type of backup plan. Thome had a fine 2008, don’t get me wrong, but he did have a pretty big decline in OPS. If he were to have one more precipitous drop like that (and I’m not sure how to gauge the probability of that happening), he’s now a below-average player.
by CWSKeith on Oct 7, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
without looking, was it because of his splits?
without CC to pad his SLG vs LHP, perhaps Fields can DH against lefties?
Like I said , don’t know if that’s Thome’s drop-off or not.
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.233/.337/.521 vs. LHP this year
.249/.372/.496 vs. RHP
He’s still ISOing well better than .200, so if he gets a tick in BABIP, he could be very good once again.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's so unclutch.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thx. so not as simple as more platoon.
though he did hit 3 HR off CC, right?
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
something like that
and that certainly helped skew his numbers, since that was like 10 percent of his HR total right?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome isn't going to suck as long as he's healthy
the difference between what Paulie did this year and what Thome did this year is relative health. This is probably reason enough to keep Fields in AAA for another round, especially since he hasn’t earned shit with the way he’s played (and been injured). I don’t like Josh at all since I think he’s a substantial health risk.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good list of topics to cover in the offseason.....
Who wants start by writing the in depth examination of Getz? I’ll watch the front page for it….
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i nominate El Greco
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Clayton Richard ends up in the bullpen, and Ken Williams gets some mediocre veteran to be the fifth starter.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot the bullpen
CLOSER – Jenks
SET UP – Thornton
SET UP – Dotel
SET UP – Linebrink
LOOGY – ?
LONG – ?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in house solutions
LOOGY – Boone Logan
LONG – Egbert, Broadway, etc etc etc
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf has Boone Logan been up to. I wonder if he get his shit together at all.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
to be a LOOGY all you have to do is throw a fastball 90+ and have a solid slider. he’s got that as far as i can tell.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful Logan is back
there was an article last week about Broadway, Logan, and McDougal all leaving the team early after they weren’t on the playoff roster. Stuff like that really rubs KW the wrong way. See Rauch, Jon.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logan is young and cheap
and I doubt this is a big deal. It’s more than likely that the non-essential parts oft times choose to leave early. This is a business and KW gets that.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young and cheap
and bad. I don’t think the organization has any faith left in him. That’s too bad because he was nails for the first couple months this year.
Mike MacDougal, Boone Logan and Lance Broadway, on the other hand, decided to leave their teammates behind and call it a year. In doing so, they left a few teammates shaking their heads and the organization questioning their futures.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does not compute.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, yeah.
looks a heck of a lot like a cowley hatchet job. all those guys are pretty far down the depth chart – i.e., aren’t going to be added to a playoff roster unless like three guys go down. and the sox can only have so many players sitting in the dugout and those guys likely wouldn’t be part of it. why would i stay in chicago (where none of them, except maybe logan, actually have anything resembling a home) when i’m not going to be allowed in the dugout so i get to watch from the stands. what’s the point? go home. relax. watch it on tv. i think it would be kind of weird (and rather tough, at least for guys like logan and macdougal) to be, what, hanging around the clubhouse and then getting exiled to the stands or a box to watch the game.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think there's a lot of evidence supporting that.
That quote sounds like Cowley admonishing more Sox players (if it is in fact him) rather than the org being pissed. Why would they have no faith left in a player whom they skipped from A ball to pitch for the big club?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this is true, i can understand questioning commitment.
taking off v. sitting in the dugout during the playoffs?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bet is that it's commonplace
and not a big deal. they’re all pitchers who weren’t going to see a single inning in the playoffs and saw very few down the stretch.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right. it just doesn't make sense to me.
you get a front row seat as your compadres try to win another world series. and choose instead to go do what that you couldn’t do between the end of the playoff run and february?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don't get to sit in the dugout. against the rules to have that many players in it.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to larry, that isn't the case
but even so, if you don’t feel like you’re part of the team (and logan, broadway and macdougal very much weren’t), what reason do you have for being there?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So regardless if Logan stayed or went back to his ranch
I don’t think he’ll be back. They’ve tried everything with him from tough love to babying him. Yeah, he skipped from A to the bigs, but he took a major step back this year, one that I don’t know he can recover from.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a pitcher
those tend to figure things out somewhat randomly. and he’s not arb eligible yet so there’s no reason to give him away. besides, it’s hardly enough to assume his suckitude at the end of the year is more descriptive than his awesomeness to start it. you need to regress more to the mean in your consideration of a small sample (RPs are by definition) young player.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
logan has really good stuff.
he has to be in the mix given how cheap he is. he drives me nuts too, but so be it. Same for Vasquez….I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he had a real good year next year.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as you say, it's irrelevant if rules limit it to some small number of players over the 25 on the playoff roster.
if it weren’t the case, though, i guess i would gauge the reaction of the players and the organization before bolting. which they may or may not have done if they would have been allowed in the dugout if they had not pitched so poorly as not to be included on the playoff roster.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are plenty of subtle elements at work
that aren’t going to get reported properly, so speculating as such isn’t going to help. in any case, we’re wasting 0s and 1s talking about whether or not a LOOGY is going to be back. the qualification is literally 3 fold:
1)Left handed
2)Throws fastball 90+ mph
3)Throws decent slider
Is there a more readily available MLB-caliber type in baseball? Probably not.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll defer to you on your last point b/c you know a lot more about it than i do.
and yes, we’re speculating. my underlying point, although i didn’t make it very well, is that the kenny/ozzie combo is not one you want to mess with re: commitment. they can be fickle when it comes to that.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll give you that and it is something to file away
i’ve obviously been on the receiving end of when i give KW/Ozzie too much credit for existing as beings of pure reason. thank you General Soreness.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as he's not back, i'll probably be able to forgive due to the general overachievement of his team vs. expectations.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's just something about KW and broken CFs maybe?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Cowley, which is why I believe it more
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both the S-T and Trib do their fair share or moralizing
it isn’t Cowley that’s responsible, it’s the eds.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trouble reading bylines, eh
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1202901,CST-SPT-soxnt05.article
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the recommendations re A2
Didn’t catch the team entry due to drinking, but overall you’ve got a pretty solid campus. Ashley’s was cool.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a2 is a great place to live
saw Bob Pollard the night you came in, caught the football game the day after and went to a birthday party on Sunday.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i can see that
almost wish i applied to transfer, but that tuition is deadly
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have either of you, illini or colin, been to madison yet?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but not for long enough
it was a “just passing through” visit more than anything. i have an outstanding opinion of madison based on that.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah a few times
another great big ten campus. love the lakes that border the campus – heading there for the Illini-Badgers game in a few weeks.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're still around on sunday morning, eat breakfast/lunch at mickey's dairy bar on monroe a block or so across regent from the stadium.
get a scrambler, eat as much as you can, contemplate dying due to what you just ate, try to stay awake during your drive back, and then remember it later as the best breakfast you ever ate.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if we're sticking around
only know one guy up there and haven’t spoken to him in ages, but thanks for the advice
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it certainly isn't very economical for out of staters
rich alumni however make other considerations priority.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the out of state tuition difference is marginal
about 3k more (for law school)
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh law school
yeah different considerations. if you could transfer into michigan’s law program, you would wouldn’t you? it’s like ~10th best in the country.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah just lazy
its a great school, no doubt. illinois is solid, but not in the same class. wanted to be closer to home, personal reasons.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, once you start it's tough to just bolt on friends, comfort, etc.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah absolutely
i was visiting a buddy up there that transferred from WashU, they seem to assimilate the transfers very well, most schools, however, don’t.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"lazy" is such a nice catchall term for the self deprecative
i’m sure hanging with your friends and being comfortable with the things around you are very important to your success as a law student.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, poor word choice
the transfer process is annoying though
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd be cool with having some form of Richard/Poreda
As the 5th starter next season.
Getz and Uribe aren’t solutions to any full time starting role. Fields at 3B I’d be fine with.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Poreda in the pen at first.
I think starters aren’t our 3rd biggest concern. “Defense” covers a lot of gaps. I’d like to see a backup catcher before a SP.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda as long man/low leverage/loogy
would be a good role for him, but i doubt he’d break camp as such unless the Sox are convinced he doesn’t need seasoning at AAA.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know
if he tears up spring training he could impress them enough like mccarthy n logan did…
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to reiterate, but I want to post this so it gets seen
Questions to answer: “Can Getz be a full time second baseman? Can Fields be a full time third baseman? How good is Clayton Richard exactly? How will the IP boost affect John Danks? Will Swish recover? Who are good candidates for sudden decline?”
Does anyone have any other questions they think are critical wrt the Sox personnel as it currently stands? Notice I’m not talking about possible FAs. Better to figure out the holes and limitations of the team first. I’m asking because I do intend to keep a running answer list to these questions so we can project the team better.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What of the bullpen?
The last 2/3 bullpen spots and the last rotation spot will likely be hardest to fill.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the crap side of the pen just needs to be filled with arms
live, preferably, so there’s some upside. but between jenks, thornton, dotel and linebrink we should be able to hold onto leads. my thoughts on LOOGYs are available upthread, fwiw. long men are also dime a dozen.
the last rotation spot is the biggest issue on the team right now i think. i’d love to sign derek lowe to fill that spot too.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I agree with all that
If the crap side of the pen is Nessie, Poreda, MacDougal it’s hopefully not the end of the world. Bringing in a vet or AAAA guy to compete is fine as long as it doesn’t take a trade or significant money to do so.
Lowe would be great to see in the Cell, but the cost…..
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i don't know what the years or dollars would be
but i love me some sinkerballers. and it just so happens that they play well at the Cell.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm holding my breath...
on Linebrink. I’m not sure what he can do next year (and the year after that, and the year after that).
I’d feel better if someone really developed. I’m hoping Russell can be that guy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All about being seen, isn't it, Mr. Selfish?
Dig me, love me, fist me. Man, you are high maintenance.
;)
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spoiled rich kids think the world revolves around them
Hi Colin!
;-)
Trophinea, Trophinea, I have sought thee, sung thee, dreamed thee Trophinea. And thy name is like a prayer an angel whispers, Tophinea... Trophinea.
by Chiburb on Oct 7, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
it doesn’t? i’m like God’s second begotten son. wtf.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't they pay attention and know you got a job?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think i get credit if i'm not working 40 hours a week
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why should you?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it ain't like i got standards
so you got me.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i was just wanting to join in with the off-season pick-on-colin fun!
it was just as fun as it was during the season, so that is good to know right away.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit, i was afraid i'd missed the vote where colin was elected to replace ssh as the object of everyone's scorn.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you didn't miss it. i am only projecting from the pains i endure over his ongoing blatant rejection of me.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't recall a rejection of any kind
let alone something that could be considered “blatant”. besides you’re the one with the SO atm. fortunately, i live on a foundation of dignity built by men before me who, all by themselves, rose to achieve greatness. so shall i.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope the foundation isn't in a flood zone or on a fault line.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, "everyone" is a little rich.
Too many generalizations here, sir. Get to work. We’re all a mixture of sad/torqued/lost, so I understand and embrace your confusion.
SNAP OUT OF IT!
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're on a tear, opos.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
I’m sure I’ll be hearing that in my own home in about 5-6 years.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you will.
and because you’re old enough to know when to pick battles you’ll just let that kid walk all over you.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
baby steps.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"They"? I just said he was high maintenance.
That was a personal observation. Glad he’s paying taxes. Mind your business, red-nose.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
i can’t win. trying to do some research and lay out a few off season posts, but the old man can’t stand the c i guess.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kid because I love.
What is the “c”? If you are referring to yourself in the 3rd person (like effin’ Joe Biden) I take my affection back.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty good guess at least joe biden knows what speaking in the 3rd person means, donchaknowthere *wink wink wink*?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged.
You’d be surprised at my recent thought processes about the election, pinko. Considering voting outside the pocketbook consideration for the first time since Clinton ’92.
So STFU. Can you see the real me? Can you? CAN YOU????
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just having fun. whippits at lunch make everything moar fun.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was hoping you were seeing McCain/Palin as a less than stellar alternative
her post introduction moments have all left a ton to be desired. i’ve said elsewhere (and forgive me, but i think in the very least you, me and toonder can handle this) that i think she’s basically no more competent than Bush and has very little upside thanks to her apparent (afai can tell) interest in learning or being curious. her inclusion on the ticket convinced me to vote Obama.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this a 3rd gamethread? Is it? IS IT????????
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was an "old man and the sea" pun type thing?
florida. old people. i dn. i didn’t give it a ton of thought.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Hemingway is dead. Bloated. Full of himself. Irrelevant.
Steve Martin’s “Cruel Shoes”. Now, that’s a classic.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hemingway does suck, that's for sure.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
false
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa now
who’s the english major here?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hemingway sucks?
You don’t even know it but Hemingway is why you write like you do.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so that means he does suck, right?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
En fuego.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would i not know it?
pretty well versed in the last 100 years of English literature, believe it or not.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some other stuff
I think we’re looking at the holes the Sox have and what in-house options they have to fill them. Here are some related questions,
1) How bad was Ramirez’s glove? Can he move to SS?
2) How bad was Swisher in CF?
3) Can Poreda jump to be a big league reliever in 2009?
4) Can Egbert make a comeback? He and Richard are probably the only viable in-house SP candidates.
5) Is Brandon Allen a real prospect? If PK/Thome went down, could he fill in.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those first two are pretty critical
the last 3 are fortunately pretty fringe. thanks for adding to the list.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will we see August/September/October PK all year?
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another good one.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so how does everybody think orton and forte will perform against atlanta
will the defense keep up the dominant play? ohhh fuck wrong blog
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
orton and forte
sound like a slapstick comedy duo
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for furbs to focus all energies on the election.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all energies to the ladies now
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread needs an enema.
All backed up – have to refresh lots in order to see the bottom posts.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your Z-key broken?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just backing up. Can't see the last 2 posts or so.
And it’s sporadic. Maybe the 5% drop in the market today is frying my computer.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't need to reload. just type a letter into the comment box then hit cancel, or hit show formatting guide and it should fix itself.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thx.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not Panic! All is WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this thread needs some kenwo
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
colin
i think the old guy is trying to ask you to create a new thread.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess it's unpossible to be more direct about it?
what happened to cheat? every time i get ready to throw up a new thread, he posts on top of me. it’s like he doesn’t even take into consideration the minute possibility that for once i have a post ready to go up. he’s a cold, calculating son of a bitch i’ll you what.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
grow a pair
and quit your bitching
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
furbs angry.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
furbs kicks roommates ass for being assclown
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make it a 3rd gamethread, colin, so we can hate on some palin!!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
motivation for colin to post new thread, pt. 1

"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well i'm flagging that
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the rakish angle of his lid.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the streams out of his nose really caught my eye.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was trying not to look at that.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
larry in College?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
500 comments? what is this - Lookout Landing?
is Cheat already in the Bahamas for the off-season?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we also not think that Adrian Beltre is neither bad nor overrated?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Oct 7, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take him ... dye for beltre seems like a good fit at our park
he brings a gold glove at 3rd and probably 30 hrs in our park. not a pretty obp but hey a glove and power is enough to hope for at third base
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what I've seen of him, I think he's just fine....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs to get out of Seattle.
Not sure if he’s Chicago Tough, but the booing he’s had to endure probably has thickened his skin a bit. I’d have to see how much of his bloated contract we’d need to eat.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you prefer Beltre over Figgins?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
toooootally
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
500 comments of fucktastic content
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer "craptacular"
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Oct 7, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucktacular
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shitriffic
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is the economy have an
effect on Salaries this offseason?? I would think so…Manny ain’t gonna get sh*t.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i imagine it may have some impact, but i'd expect to see it less with the few marquee guys (sabathia, manny, etc.)
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely/
Attendance down this year (1.8%, IIRC) and if this continues as I think it will well into next year you can bet it’ll be down in 2009. Internet revenues will be up, though cable will be down and the owners will have taken a major shellacking in the offseason (margin calls and everything).
I bet ridiculous contracts (larry mentioned Looie Castillo) will be the outlier.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think so too
Plus, these owners are losing money in the markets too. Not that i feel for them…but everything is sinking.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlbtv hits the airwaves jan. 1.
lest you somehow missed the ads.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they will be swimmin' in it, is your point?
Maybe, but prudence and fear dictate the market will come back to Earth.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New thread, you hobags.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I killed it
/WINNAR!
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont know what i think of this lineup
Figgins CF
Hudson 2B
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Griffey DH
Beltre 3B
Alexei SS
Swisher LF
AJ C
just trying to get some things out of my head
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see picture above entitled motivation for colin to post a new thread, pt. 1
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career OBP's
.356
.346
.359
.352
(.373) not really fair to take his career #’s
.327
.317
.354
.326
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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