Adios Orlando Cabrera
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 4:28 PM CDT
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Joe Cowley can rest assured that Orlando Cabrera will not be back next season, but that has more to do with his contract demands (which haven't been made public) and unwillingness to discuss extension prior to testing the free-agent waters than his play on the field. When ChiSox.com runs a headline saying Cabrera's "likely to move on," and the Twins are sniffing around to see if he's a fit, it's pretty safe to assume that Cabrera will not be back.
For many, their view of Cabrera was shaped by his slow start and reported call to the press box in Toronto, which led to his media blackout and Cowley's incessant attempts to paint him as a clubhouse cancer. Cowley's most biting criticism was that Cabrera was not the clubhouse leader he claimed to be. But the Sox were a veteran club, and were not lacking in leaders. Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, AJ Pierzynski, and Mark Buehrle all led in their own unique way. And perhaps that's why it took Orlando some time to adjust, this was a team who needed only his contributions on the field.
The reality is that Cabrera let his play do the talking following his tiff with Cowley. He hit about .300/.345/.400 since the press box flap with defense that was average-to-above-average at a premium position. For Sox fans, there was no reason to hate Cabrera. He was an excellent non-superstar role player miscast as a lead-off hitter, who just happened to upset a beat reporter, and was slow to understand the White Sox' clubhouse dynamic.
Cabrera's legacy on the south side might be different if the Sox failed to make the playoffs. His comments about the Sox play down the stretch might have had more staying power. But the Sox made the playoffs, and Cabrera will likely be viewed as a hired gun who helped them get there. And best of all, he may be worth more to the Sox as he walks out the door than if were to stick around.
Cabrera is set to become a type-A free agent this off-season, and as such, the White Sox, should they offer him arbitration (and they better, dammit), stand to pick up an additional two draft picks (between picks 17 and about 55) in the '09 draft. You need look only as far as the Boston Red Sox for a demonstration of how valuable those picks can be. Their compensation for the loss of Orlando Cabrera following their '04 World Series title--the 23rd and 45th picks in the '05 draft, turned into Jacoby Ellsbury (CF) and Jed Lowrie (SS)--are currently playing an integral role in their march towards a '08 crown. The free agent compensation system, when used efficiently, can create a great influx of young talent.
South Side Sox salutes you, Orlando; for your steady play and unacknowledged leadership with (perhaps) our shortstop of the future, and most of all, your ability to stay healthy enough ensure you would become a Type-A free agent. Thanks for a great year.
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cheat, six minutes. you're awesome.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I seriously hate giving control of the site to anyone else
I hid the other thread too… AHAHAHAHH!!!
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is this, china?
plzdontbanme.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch yourself larry!
you’ll lose a toe.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let it be said...
that I don’t hate Orlando Cabrera. I thought that the comments to the press were out of line, but whatever. That’s for the team to worry about.
As a player, he’s pretty mediocre. Not bad, not great, just… mediocre. There’s definitely something to be said for mediocrity, especially on a team that needs a role player, but he’s not someone that I think the Sox will miss too much.
So let me jump on the “nice job, Orlando, now have a nice career somewhere else” bandwagon.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good SS play is hard to find....
Cabrera was as good as I could have hoped for in the aggregate, though I was periodically very disappointed during the season.
There’s a reasonable chance the Sox are really going to miss his glove and/or bat in 2009.
That being said, I would not sign him…3 years at that age at the money he’ll get is a bad idea. The Sox need to find an alternative.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have an alternative...
in Alexei Ramirez.
Now, I’m not sure that Ramirez will be all that great, in the long run, either, but there’s a good chance he’ll be better than Orlando Cabrera.
I’d feel more comfortable if the Sox brought in another infielder, and I’m sure they will.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
I am not sure at all he can play SS defensively anywhere near Cabrera’s level, and he had .317 OBP this year. Given that, we come to opposite conclusions here: I think there’s a very good chance Ramirez underperforms what OC did this season.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Che will probably improve as a hitter.
I’m not sure about his defense.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I base a lot of my predictions off of gut, because I am far too unmotivated (lazy) to look up actual, quantifiable measurements of a player...and I'm a woman, so I have a very smart gut anyway and I can just do that stuff whenever the fuck i want to....
but I really think Alexei will get better defensively. I think some of his jitters this year were simply immaturity issues.
I noticed a more patient Che offensively in the last stretch of the season…which only leads me to believe that he can be learned, and this is also going to translate (npi) to his defense.
I see a guy with a whole shitload of passion and heart, and a very natural gift for the game.
I may be wrong, and proven so in the next few years….but I really do have faith that he is going to impress us defensively too – be it SS, 2B, or CF…
I see potential oozing from his big ol’ funny ears.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say that about the walks
but I forgot, but the last month or so Lexi adjusted and became more patient, at least it looked that way to me.
marching on together
by hoodlight on Oct 7, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like how the puke was oozing from the other guy's nose?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a detail i would have missed had you not mentioned it..i tried not to spend too much time examining the photo.
thank you?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're welcome?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i forget which at bat i saw
i think it was against Balfour where he looked at some very close heaters and then swung once he moved into the zone. interesting development, potentially. maybe he’s had some master plan all along wherein he lulls everyone into a false sense of security and ends up in a lot of 2 ball counts when he fails to swing at the first two balls pitchers have tried against him.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw his throwing error at 2B in Tampa, costing the Sox the first run,
and it wasn’t inexperience/jitters. There was no way he was doubling the runner and he cost the team two bases. He makes poor decisions that aren’t always covered up by his athleticism. I worry about his transition to SS, and I am his biggest booster.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget - this was his first experience at 2B
Cora was teaching him the position in ST – the guy only played SS and a little CF (in WBC) – he will be shifting back to his natural position. I have confidence he will be fine at SS. He definately will be better there than 2b, were he never looked comfortable making the pivot on the DP.
I’ve been impressed with his play, given experience at it – if any weakness exists, its that he will never be close to the situation hitter that OC was.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on Oct 7, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that was ugly, for sure...and i kinda gathered that you liked him, so i take your stance seriously. but it will be fun to see which of us is right! time will tell!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear...I like Alexei
I don’t think he’ll necessarily crater next season, but his glove and lack of walks are a concern
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of walks are a concern...
but after watching him for a whole season, I wouldn’t say his plate discipline is poor. I don’t have the stats in front of me, but it certainly seemed like when Che chose to swing the bat, he was swinging at a hittable pitch (hittable in the sense that he could put it in play). As such, I would guess that his contact % would rank well above-average. Now if that actually means anything in the sense that it contributes to Alexei being a more valuable player, I’m not sure…
One more thing… although there’s obviously a huge sample size issue at play, Alexei did manage to walk eight times in September and another one in the playoffs. For comparison, he only drew ten walks from April to August.
by CWSKeith on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He walked more frequently, sure, but some of those were intentional BB's.
At least 2 or 3, IIRC.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was also nice that his babip cratered at the end of the year and put his batting average in line with what would be expected based upon is line drive rate.
that helped answer one question, i guess.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is from a guy who follows individual players a heck of a lot closer than others...
y2joelicho (New Prague, MN): Hi Marc, Thanks for chatting. Do Adam Dunn (assuming they move Fielder) or O Dog Hudson make sense for the Brewers?
Marc Normandin: I like the idea of Hudson, though he’s nowhere near as good offensively outside of Arizona. Adam Dunn would be a fine choice for most teams in the majors, and if the Brewers move Fielder as we keep hearing they may, he’d more than fill in for him.
that appears to endorse the park factors i mentioned in the prior thread but one needs to determine how much he’d lose coming to the AL and the cell.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe the sox can trade cabrera, griffey, konerko, and lincecum for fielder?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Peavy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 7, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's only good when he's healthy.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a career .907 OPS at ARI
This year he was 939 at home and 718 on the road. 893 last year at home, 738 away.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a 720-740 OPSer in the NL?
eff that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's hard to figure out...
what Hudson would do outside of Arizona. Just look at what he did his last couple of years in Toronto. IOW, the second-base version of Orlando Cabrera.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the second base version of OC
isn’t that exciting.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think he'll a bit better than that in Chicago
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that...
about Nick Swisher.
It’s really hard to say how playing at Comiskey affects a player until he gets here.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any love on a flyer on Hairston Jr?
besides the injury mess he seems to have done decent without his roids.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about a park factor issue.
Hairston had a career year this year. Besides, he’s really not much of an OBP guy.
Going back to Swisher, I looked it up.
Nick Swisher at home, 2008 – .247/.361/.517
Nick Swisher on the road, 2008 – .189/.301/.294
That’s crazy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's infinitely terrible luck
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats is Hudson's Dewan number?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job cheat....
i saw that it said “cabrera let his play TO the talking” instead of do…only complaint…solid job as always
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
flagged for unwarranted criticism.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for racism.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you both just earned yourselves a spot on the furbs hit list bitches
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for anti-lawyer sentiment.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for anti-anti-lawyer sentiment.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for earlier pro-mark ellis sentiment.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for anti-Atheltics pending free agent remark
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for wu-style spelling. checkmate.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for ageism.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for being old enough to fall into that pseudo-protected group.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm nearly crying by the end of this tangent. I want the whole thing to go green, but that seems like so much work.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for crying at the drop of a hat.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can i flag my estrogen, even if it doesn't have an sss account?
flagged, estrogen!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plz create an account called
“hsassstrogen”
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha. excellent. consider it done....
that way, you guys would always know what kind of mood I was in….cuz, cuz, I’d use that login when I was emotional, which would then give larry a good reason to be a mega-asshole towards me.
I think it would be fun.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i once knew a chick that had a high level of asstrogen
she was taller sitting down!
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 7, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like euphemism to me
“flagged for being a woman” is what you meant.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was trying to keep it p.c. and to avoid further crying....he is sensitive to the power of E.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"E" means something different in the
bay, honey.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(context....toonder read good...means something different EvErywhErE)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got e? i'll take two. how much?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure you will, hippie piece of shit.
(hpos)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as if you aren't an hpos.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just. take it easy. man.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kick his ass, sea bass!
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what were we talking about again?
/(exhales)
(is this how i punctuate that idea? i dohnt no internetz)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the last time, puff puff pass.
//loses mellow
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaand I think we've officially lost Colintj.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i pretty much just imagined you as GOB scoring pot for George Michael
aka Toonder
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hot cops!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CANT YOU SEE HOW HOT THEY ARE
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres only one e
e_gus
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for thinking this was over
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for the two hours too late retort.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for use of the word retort
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for repeating the word retort.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for repeating it again
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for holding up my e purchase.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for use of a hyphen
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for apparently not knowing what a hyphen is or how this reply function works.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you still want that shit, or what, man?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for not starting your post with flagged.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey man, i'm just trying to do a deal here, man, no need to pull that flag shit on me, man.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't get your (surely at this point in the day) crusty panties in a bunch.
send them to the usual place.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's too stoned to know
Poor OHPOS
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for stealing my flagging opportunity
(notice the excellent set up)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for failing to use your own set-up
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for suggesting I take advantage of my own set up, which would be inappropriate behavior worthy of flagging
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for having a good point
but now i have to go to work, so no more flagging for me
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for not being Chicago Tough
I show no mercy.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for not having anything better to do with your two hours
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Oct 7, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good bye OC
Thanks for the picks!
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Il faut d’abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tdogg on Oct 7, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well i called it
“what happened to cheat? every time i get ready to throw up a new thread, he posts on top of me. it’s like he doesn’t even take into consideration the minute possibility that for once i have a post ready to go up. he’s a cold, calculating son of a bitch i’ll you what.”
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last time i'll ask on wu's behalf or post a motivational picture. i promise.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's the pitcher and you are the catcher?
As it should be. He should post on top of you.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am indeed a male invert
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came to like OC
I thought he was good defensively and just mediocre enough offensively to make him useful. He rubbed some people the wrong way with his attitude but he was never anything more than a mercenary and him coming aboard set things in motion for a playoff run.
Go get that big contract and have a nice career. O Cab.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think my biggest want as of right now
is Derek Lowe.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
moar sinkerz in the cell, plz.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC SABATHIA
aim high colin
lets settle for big game Lowe
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i've been thinking for the past few weeks
what’ll it cost to get him?
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His agent is Scott Boras.
That’s probably the end of the conversation right there, but for the sake of argument, say… three years, $45 million?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is?
fuck.
i’d pay that though. i think.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd try to go for a 4 year 42 mil or something or 4 year 46
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 7, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre crazy
cc is more like 4 years 75 million
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're talking lowe
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about my rug.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was talking about drawing a line in the sand
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by colintj on Oct 8, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really tied the room together Dude.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
by Hazymania on Oct 8, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt like OC
And definitely not because of Cowley.
In fact I think the only Cowley stuff I read was quotes on here.
I fall more into the category of the Angels fan that was quoted here when the Garland for OC trade was announced. How he was good statistically, but it always seemed to be when it didnt matter, and his above average mediocrity pretty much infuriated me. Opposite reaction from the same input to madvillian there.
Lawrence Holmes on the score last week referred to OC as his “least favorite sox player of all time.” I dont think that was because of Cowley either, although its more likely there was some influence there.
Now the Sox certainly didnt have anyone else on the club that could have played better. Sure his numbers look good, and Im glad that he is a type A guy, thats excellent, but good riddance. The guy just rubbed be the wrong way, and Im happy to see him go.
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
Great post Cheat. I could not agree more with you. O.C. seemed to be the only guy getting base hits and getting on for the big boppers down the stretch. And he did play very good defense at a position that is a must. Him and Alexei were a great double play combination.
I wish we could resign him although it looks like he is moving to arch-enemy numero uno the Twinkies. I cannot imagine how well he will hit against us. Hopefully he does not go to the Twins though.
But if we do not offer him arbitration that would be a shame. And you know what if we can keep him, that would be great. It would be one less area to shore up in the off season.
by bmf1314 on Oct 7, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He can't play for the Twins, they already have a SS.
Can’t seem to remember his name offhand …
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucker's an FA
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New, new FA mancrush?
Well, I guess he’s technically not a “man” … new, new FA rodentcrush? Ewokcrush?
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, we can get him?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedd asploding.
By 2011-12, my goal is for the Sox to have assembled the all-Douchenozzle team. Sure, we’ll have a massive surplus of MI’s (Pedroia, Aviles, Punto, Bartlett, etc.), but damn it, it’d be worth it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MI = Michigan?
Do you mean MN’s? I confoozed.
PS Thanks for posting NOTHING for the last game. I blamethe loss on you and you alone. DB.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle Infielder
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah HA!
I apologize for nothing.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle Infielders.
It’s a term that just recently came into vogue (after they outlawed the fair-foul hit, but before the Kenesaw Mountain Landis regime), so I can see where it may have gotten past you. (mutters something about OPOS’s).
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See above.
And it fits so well I changed my sig.
Speak to the lack of posting on the most important night in (3) years! YPOS.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you see ... that is ...
Wait … hey … I did post on the night of kenwo’s first post!
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a brief fangraphs glance
Beltre could be the steal of the FA market. I think I already found my new FA mancrush.
OTOH, I do love sinkers. What’s a boy to do?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
keep searching
Beltre = not a FA; due to make $12M plus signing bonus next year
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why did we talk about him as though he were?
damn your hides, fellas.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw people talking about trading Dye for Beltre.
Although I’m at a loss as to why the Mariners would want Jermaine Dye.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are probably the least competent organization atm
so who the hell knows. but they should be shopping beltre anyway.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros win that, hands down.
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree with hands down
but i did forget them.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too like Beltre
and have thought about how the Sox and M’s would be a match..
The Sox best, and probably only, bet to land Beltre lies in the M’s search for a new GM. If they pick Hahn, and Hahn deems they need to restructure, and Hahn has a higher view of Fields than do most of us (and Kenny/Ozzie), than I could see a package for Beltre that included Josh Fields.
In other words, it ain’t gonna happen.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope Hahn doesn't leave.
Who else will negotiate contracts for us? KW’s stubborn ass?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that jason guy from the last thread.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
link =
500+ posts. thx.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Search "jason".
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
score!
let me read this shit real fast.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I searched Jason
found a “Jason” post by ryno. Javy, O’Cab, and Thome would be an awful lot for Peavy :)
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one who said the sox should trade away a bunch of players they don't have under contract.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also love the Crede and Griffey for Figgins.
classic shit… must be a joke right? RIGHT?!?!?!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
truth = stranger than fiction.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toonder at the top of his game.
AEG, well…
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and taeg has a lot further to fall...
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he a stock index?
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains the streaky nature of your posts.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd out of pity.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pity rec, for sure.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care what those hpos have to say
this was genius.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hemingway = bad, wu = genius.
i’m beginning to identify the problems…
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
nobody likes hemingway. the only time you read him here is when you get thrown into a survey on modernism.
i will say that i’ve only ever read the sun also rises and that short story about abortion, so it’s not like i have an actual opinion that matters about all this. i know what he did and what it looked like in print, but past that dn. n
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the emphasis was far more on the second equation.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I believe you are just jealous
that in 24 hours I have doubled my rec’d posts over these last 3 years. Some things need to simmer – for decades. I’m like carbon being squeezed into a diamond by you guys.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crackin' me up, wu, crackin' me up....losing apparently suits your personality, your sparks are really flying lately, i'm diggin it.
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 7, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I slide into losing like an old pair of shoes.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The postmodern English Department
Is a widely regarded joke. The whole structuralism/post-structuralism thing failed epically and now people are struggling to figure out what the next thing in critique is.
Outside of the creative writing dept I don’t have much respect for English departments.
You can say that Hemingway isn’t your cup of tea or that he wasn’t a good writer or whatever — but you cannot deny that his prose style revolutionized fiction writing for the next generation and continues to influence most male contemporary writers. David Foster Wallace and Jonathan Franzen and Nick Hornsby to name a few.
He’s a giant in lit on influence alone, not to mention any of his work.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a joke?
according to whom? “widely” means something, i’m sure.
and as for his minimalist prose style, i’d say that those of such a school have peaked and have gone by the wayside. i don’t buy at all that the contemporary generation has been widely influenced by hemingway.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the days of everyone wanting to be Raymond Carver are over?
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a joke.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyway, i think people of my generation
are having a pretty hard time finding their literary voices so far. they’re the ones responsible for many popular blogs, though, fwiw.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean it isn't hawthorne?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know anyone who likes reading that dude.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was kidding
yeah, that guy was awful
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that really isn't at play
in undergraduate english studies.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's not, its only the merciless joke on what of what most of your profs probably believed in though.
I guess that you came in a bit late to the game, after this had mostly blown over, or maybe it’s just more a part of graduate studies work —but English department Lit Theory (and not all of them for sure, but a large amount) were mostly discredited as complete bullshit not to long ago.
Anyways, I find myself playing devil’s advocate when I talk to my hard science friends and arguing what I’m arguing now when I talk to my fellow humanities friends.
I’ll just talk Sox (mostly) for awhile.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of my profs have written about
actual research they’ve done regarding the period of time in which the literature they specialize in came from. the thing that’s most emphasized is close reading and building arguments through that. it’s foundational stuff that promotes fairly rigid logical structures. we don’t spend all day talking about freud and saussure and no one has ever mentioned the continental critics like barthes. i know that stuff from a particular couple classes that were well outside the english department. if they aren’t even prepping english undergrads (and grads from what i’ve seen from my gsis) in this kind of thought, they probably don’t give it much credence themselves.
michigan so far has been very centrist and pragmatic in the humanities and the differences between them and the harder sciences profs that i’ve had has been the individual prof’s ability to communicate.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pynchon, steinbeck, and fitzgerald would be a good start
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
steinbeck is solid
you didn’t like the sun also rises?
i don’t blame you for not liking “hills like white elephants” that short story sucked balls
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought "A Way You'll Never Be" was a good short story
I think that’s the only Hemingway I’ve read
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's "the killers"
one of his more famous ones
http://www.geocities.com/cyber_explorer99/hemingwaykillers.html
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
it was ok.
i think i read that in hs or college so i guess that makes it forgettable. of course i used to smoke a lot of pot…
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like it much either
it’s bleak. it comes in the wake of a massacre of a war, which i feel comes through…could be projecting i spose. i think it Cormac McCarthy has probably read his Hemingway and digested it fully. it also has that kind of modernist coldness; the reader gets sacrificed so the author can perform some word experiments. the sense that he’s trying to reduce the thing to its pure essence. mad vill probably has little love for Barthes, but he rightly criticizes works like this on the basis that they deny the reader access and put the author on a pedestal. give me something like calvino or borges. those are so much fun to read and manage to be incredibly thought provoking. hemingway forces his words into place, those guys play with them.
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blood Meridian
Tried doing this as a movie w/ Michael Mann back in the 90’s. Script was gobsheit. Todd Fields is supposed to be on it now.
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"A Clean Well Lit Place" and the "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" are excellent as well
Along with the Nick Adams stories, which I’m partial to as they took place about a mile from my home in N. Michigan.
“For Whom the Bell Tolls” is tougher but more rewarding than Sun Also Rises IMO.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my dad has Nick Adams stories
for similar reasons.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally forgot about a clean well-lighted place
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's my favorite
Now that the Lit majors are all checking in.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
by Hazymania on Oct 8, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great
Steinbeck, Fitz, and Hemingway are probably my 3 favorite authors.
I’m not that into Gatsby (In college I fell in love with “This Side of Paradise”), but I think Tender is the Night is timeless and so are his short stories: rich boy, diamond as big, may day, off shore pirate, etc.
Steinbeck was my first love, Winter of our Discontent always struck me, and of course Grapes and Tortilla Flat as well. Steinbeck wrote about poor people, which I admire, right or wrong.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing this side of 1960?
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by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
moneyball and ball four
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
veeck as in wreck
blows both of those away.
im currently reading ‘red legs and black sox’, its ok but it should have been called the Edd Rousch story, of course then I might not have bought it.
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm gonna get that the cheaters guide to baseball soon
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Fans Notes?
Fred Exley. My fav— but it’s more memoir than novel w/ football b.g.
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Baseball book...?
Anything by my pal Roger Angell…
The Summer game probably the best
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Living author I like: David Benioff
Have you read 25th Hour? I liked it a lot. It’s sort of like a modern crime drama with literary ambition…but that doesn’t really do it justice.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early Elmore...
…Crumley (RIP) and of course Richard Stark (my fav)
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
grapes was what sold me on him
the pearl was solid too
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Fitz
I like his short stories a lot as well. I still have a copy of “Babylon Revisted”, but I think I have to agree with the conventional wisdom and say I like Gatsby as his best
by hitlesswonder on Oct 7, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 to me...
Saul bellow… Augie March is written for the south side jew in all of us
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any love for Dostoevsky?
I’m about to re-read Crime and Punishment which was easily my favorite ‘forced high-school’ read, with Gatsby and The Sun Also Rises coming in a distant second and third.
by CWSKeith on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did not like crime and punishment at all
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 8, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brothers Karamazov is a great novel
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
by Hazymania on Oct 8, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mike royko
bill james
bill veeck
peter david
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
off season homework:
read me some Hemingway
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Oct 7, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd recommend starting with
A Movable Feast
by BustedFlush on Oct 7, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Adams stories are tremendous...
But short stories? Cheever by a mile.
by RoyEgan on Oct 8, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i said a LOT further to fall.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he meant trade for beltre?
I have proposed this idea for the simple fact that Seattle needs to make changes, and may get rid of people at any cost.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a little
black and purple bunting on the site, Cheat?
And at 6PM we’ll have a SSS minute of silence (make that 30 seconds).
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For Cabrera (Griffey heading off also, per Sox.com).
Not the season.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
roflmfao!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is great!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
outstanding.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys already know my feelings about him.
I have always liked you O’Cab! If you are not hitting #2 in our batting order next year I wish you the best. He will most likely be gone unless we can trade for Curtis Granderson, Grady Sizemore, or Ichiro. If not we need our lead off hitter (Roberts) to play 2nd base (Roberts).
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro Suzuki is an interesting option...
although the Sox really don’t have the pieces to trade for him.
Granderson and Sizemore… well, I’ll assume you’re joking.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 7, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was joking... I WISH those 2 were available.
Ichiro IMO will be on the trading block though. With all the problems in Seattle hopefully KW can take advantage of them like he does to every team he deals with.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey JRE
I responded to your off-season ideas in the previous thread, just wanted to get your opinion on a couple of issues I had.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm over it already
Wasn’t here long enough to create emotional ties to.
by Option27 on Oct 7, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Why?
No team can match the White Sox combination of power, pitching and experience. Certainly not the Rays. White Sox in 5
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
radio guy said he's always been on coeltti's wish list...
Up to now he’s been getting bad press for bringing in short term vets with name value and experience, but who just weren’t that good anymore as players. But this year it worked, so who knows? Dye might fit the bill. … Other questions remain re: replacing Kent and possibly Rafael Furcal.
by RoyEgan on Oct 7, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's bizarre
they have an outfield problem as it is and i’d be surprised if they didn’t hang on to manny. that’d be downright logical of them. and it’s not like he can stick at first, b/c Loney’s there.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
manny + kemp + ethier = lions + tigers + bears = oh my!
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does Fields and Poreda and filler for Beltre get it done?
I would welcome that trade with open arms I think, fuck a farm system.
by madvillian on Oct 7, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i might like that too,
hoping beckham does his thing and works his way into a good professional player
by BoeJouma on Oct 7, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we add Javy and Swish will they include Ichiro?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think our farm system is too weak to deal
poreda right now
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade Konerko and a couple minor leaguers for the entire San Francisco Giants organization
[/cub fan]
by billyok on Oct 7, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't they sign barry Bonds?
he’ll be well rested now.
I’ll get my coat
regards
marching on together
by hoodlight on Oct 7, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome, hoodrow. tip a pint of tt's for me, please.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we re-sign Griffey
and talk Eddie Murray and Jose Canseco out of retirement
by billyok on Oct 7, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Hall can bulk up over the winter, he looks so frail these days
Put him on a diet of shaving cream pies perhaps
by billyok on Oct 7, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought he was eating uribe's 4th and 5th turkeys
that juan went comatose before eating every day at lunch?
by BoeJouma on Oct 7, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
much obliged.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could go for bonds at dh
seriously. too bad ozzie hates him
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if sox signed bonds that would be great for the dugout
dugout post on 9-30-08
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the best.
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 8, 2008 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this:
Rafael Furcal at short, move Alexei to centerfield, use Getz/Uribe as a platoon….use Dye and whoever else to find a third baseman.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or--
a second baseman, if you want to go with Fields. I think Alexei would quickly be an above average cf.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know....
maybe there was a reason the Cuban national team had him in center, as we did at the start. I think he could do either…..but Furcal is available, probably a good fit, decent obp, good ss, lead-off hitter.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that reason would be eduardo paret.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if che is moved to CF
who would be snappin up the honies?
che’s HORP is surprisingly low
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 7, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can land Furcal we have ourselves a short stop.
ARam could start in center and Chris Getz could play 2nd base? Remember Ozzie said ARam is a top 5 center fielder.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" – wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 7, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
def did not post this at 9:30pm I was too busy watching 90210… too bad all the girls on the show are FUGLY!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have posted this at 9:30
sorry for I did not see your post Dante.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better slow down, you guys.
You’ll have it all figures out by the end of the week.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Oct 7, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When KW said he had a plan
his plan was to read SSS.
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 7, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's probably about three days longer than it takes KW and rick hahn to figure out what they want to do in the offseason.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams can trade a guy three times before he even hits the ground
by billyok on Oct 7, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Kenny Williams once traded a guy that he traded for so fast
that the other team didnt even know that that guy was traded and Kenny got to keep both guys.
True Story
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tell ya Feisty, back when we won the pennant back in '67, Yaz once traded himself in the middle of the 4th inning for half the old Kansas City A's organization, then re-traded himself back to the Carmines in time for the 7th inning stretch.
And that’s how we wound up with Jim Lonborg.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 7, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who will do the Captain dance with Swisher next season
by billyok on Oct 7, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uribe will do the chicken dance with him
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked OC, he was a very good fielder
and all this bollocks about him not spending enough time with his team mates; I mean would you want to sit around with the likes of Toby Hall for any longer than was actually necessary?
marching on together
by hoodlight on Oct 7, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd be scared he'd eat me
(i have the body type of che, when we stand sideways, we’re invisible)
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right the fuck on mate
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to start anything but...
… did anyone catch that local documentary about Chicago baseball? The focus was both the Cubs and the Sox. For the Sox section, a large percentage of the player’s perspective was achieved with an interview with Chris Getz. Well, at one point, they showed Getz’s first hit in the majors which is available for viewing here:
Afterward, Jeff Cox makes sure he saves the ball for Chris and takes it over to the dugout. This is all shown on the video above. However, on the documentary, you see Jeff toss it to Orlando who then looks like he chunks into the crowd. Surely, not. Right? I’m hoping it merely looked like that…
by Sox Fan On The Northwest Side on Oct 7, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah. it was a joke.
loose clubhouse, you know?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 7, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think kenny
should look Coletti’s way for the ss Hu, who is in the process of being buried, unless they don’t resign Furcal and have designs on him beiing at short next year. I don’t get that impression, though.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can't that guy not hit?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
He hit ok in the minors, small mlb sample. I’m just lookin’ around for potentially undervalued diamonds in the rough at need positions.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya
things just look grim for the guy if he can’t hit.
side note, gratz on finally getting the reply button down
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Oct 7, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Keith Law
loving him a year or two ago, for whatever that’s worth. I’m sure he’d start hating him if the Sox picked him up.
by dantesox on Oct 7, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since no one has mentioned it yet
the first thing AJ should do this offseason is get on the horn with Jason Kendall and find out exactly how he went from throwing out 16 percent of basestealers to a whopping 40 percent this year. Not all of that improvement can be just from changing to a pitching staff that’s good at holding runners on(I don’t even know if Milwaukee is good at holding runners, compared to the Cubs and A’s last year). Maybe Kendall got a Nintendo DS and it helped him get quicker hands.
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 7, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
horse tranquilizers
It was a good season.
by vince_ on Oct 7, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont tell toonder!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Oct 7, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you think Kendall got it?
I apologize for nothing.
by winningugly on Oct 7, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hsa
toonder just gave up the contact info
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 7, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i look forward to working with you.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone know until when the sox have to exercise
their options on griffey and hall?
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
was just looking back on some of my projections for this team right around the winter meetings
http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/12/2/224422/968
i put in carlos quentin
i figure hes a pretty decent upgrade over a sweeney or brian anderson offensively
by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 12:40 AM EST actions actions 0 recs
LF-Carlos Quentin- dont know much about him. looks like we might finally have someone who can get on base though and if he hits for power n average weve got ourselves a carlos lee with defense
by Jbasic89 on Oct 7, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs