Kenny Williams Would Like to Lower Your Free Agent Expectations
by The Cheat on Oct 8, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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PrintThe front office has taken notice. They've seen your 900 I Want A Pony posts, dreaming of big name free agents, your 3-for-1 swaps for that healthy All-Star pitcher. They'd like you to take a step back, somewhere closer to reality.
"Payroll-wise, I stopped worrying about that," Williams said before Game 1 of the AL Division Series. "[Chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf will give me a payroll number and that will have virtually no bearing on what type of team I think we should have.
"It will give me a ceiling number, but we're not going to spend unnecessarily. We'll spend what's needed to try to put a winner on the field."
So slow down with your visions of Orlando Hudson, Rafael Furcal, or even Mark Ellis. We've got Chris Getz. He's like a piranha crossed with a ray crossed with a shark. You're gonna like him.
"Chris Getz can play," Williams said last week. "He's a guy who is more in the Minnesota Twins-type mold. You know how I like grinders, and he's a grinder-type guy.
He might not have the gaudy numbers, but he's going to help win games."
I'll have to update our payroll chart, which I think I neglected to finish last off-season, so you can accurately put together your wish lists. But that's for another day.
Yes, I realize there is nothing new here. The quote is from last Thursday. But judging by yesterday's threads, if I didn't have this here in the morning, Colin would wake up to 800 comments in the Orlando thread.
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dude i was just going to post the grinder comment when i saw it
may as well do it again:
subject: ‘HEADLINE – KDUB LOVES GRINDERS’
message:
from today’s tribune:
“Chris Getz can play,” Williams said last week. "He’s a guy who is more in the Minnesota Twins-type mold. You know how I like grinders, and he’s a grinder-type guy.
He might not have the gaudy numbers, but he’s going to help win games."
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions
you can see why JRE frequently thinks about getz when he's intimate with his wife.
so many singles.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
Meh.
Getz is who I thought he was – a utility infielder whose ceiling is as a mediocre second baseman. He deserves a long look next year, though.
My real man crush is currently in the Padres organization.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
first second or third?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Speaking of which...
since Keith nicely let me pick which player I could sponsor to pay our bet, I think Getz is the guy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't even have a nickname yet
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
That sounds like what I would expect
Any FA signing is going to be a veteran stopgap, probably to cover a hole opened up by a trade. I would expect one big trade to get a “leadoff man”, and that’s about it.
I think the Sox want Figgins at 3B, Getz at 2B, and Richard in the rotation. So the question is what it takes to get Figgins…
I keep hearing the Sox want Figgins...
where does this come from? Joe Cowley liking him?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
i thought it was general knowledge that KW likes him.
and we all know what happens with players KW likes. of course, figgins is arguably still in his prime. seems a bit early for KW to get him. needs to ripen for a couple more years.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
If he's on Williams's "must get" list...
I fully expect him to be on the 2015 White Sox.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
check colin's projected future rosters.
i believe he’s set to be acquired in 2013.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
updated as of yesterday
so yes.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
shit... if we could land figgins...
we could keep ocab, and start BA in center. OR land figgins let OC go and pursue a CFER. OR land figgins let ocab go put ARam in center Getz at 2nd then go after Furcal. My eyes just rolled into the back of my head.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
nor are we starting BA in center.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
point is if you upgrade around him...
then he would be just fine in center.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
what about at-bat? he seems to only produce when he's PHing....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
PLaying national league baseball
BA = pitcher
Just bunt dood!!!
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
he pitched in 17 games
appeared in 17 games as a pitcher, posting a 5.40 ERA (13 ER/21.2 IP)
http://banderson.mlblogs.com/about.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
arizona gave up on who too soon?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
he'd be like playing carlos gomez for a year basically
just with more pop.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
and carlos gomez hits for cycles!!!
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
go with the plus defense, stick his ass near the bottom of the line-up
i call it “the joe crede plan”
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
i we want to improve from this year, we should try this approach of having above replacement-level players at all positions
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
'if' not 'i' we want, i have the WU bug this morning ;-)
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
grits?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
we should trade for CC Sabathia
;X
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
hey that chinaman on first take is a white sox fan!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Also dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature
Asian American, please
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
this isn't a guy who built the fucking railroads here....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry... you knew who i was talking about right?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah brah
Just quoting The Big Lebowski.
American classic.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
suprisingly...
i’ve never seen that movie.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You're missing out on about half the "witty" comments on this site
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
fuck
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
ohhhh my gooooodness.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
are you really surprised?
WU stil has a hard time adjusting to these “talkies” everyone is raving about
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
Those of you who are fully Che'd now are talking really big.
Wait until the next time you wear it – I programmed it to eat off your chest hair. (Yes, you too HSA. Don’t deny it.)
I apologize for nothing.
hahahahaha. not surprised you'd go for the chest hair, you old italian pos.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
well i'm in the clear then
and come on, there’s no way i could stop doing this
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
i heard the big lebowski is a total chick flick
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
my all-time favorite....which i know has been covered on this site before. absolute classic film.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe not "classic film"
but hilarious and quite rewatchable.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
grrr
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
pithy. recommended.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 8, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should she embrace the pierzynskirules ethos
of “less is more”? If a rec will lead to that, I also rec.
I apologize for nothing.
you rec'd him!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, i see mine now, thank you.
you both are giant assholes.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't sacrifice objectivity for nothin, yo.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Raspberry. There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry: Lone Star!
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
You know I always drink coffee while looking at radar!
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
I don't get all this BA bashing?
Didn’t you guys chastise me for calling him a fag and a terrible baseball player? Now you guys are talking about upgrading. When I said he couldn’t hold Juan’s jock strap at the plate toonder showed me a 3 month period (minus the last 10 games where he went 0’fer) where he batted .286. Gotta love irony.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions
BA is a fourth outfielder
That’s how we utilized him in 2008 and he performed adequately. Jim from Sox Machine wrote a good summary about the use of BA and Wise, but I don’t have the link handy.
I can chastise you for calling him a fag for other reasons nonwithstanding…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 8, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Scot Moore = douche bag of year
selling his cubdumb on ebay. That is until they land sabathia then he will jump back on board. I wonder if Bartman still watches the cubs. He should sell his am/fm radio on ebay… that would net millions!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
I would be at least mildly surprised...
if Sabathia ended up anywhere other than the Yankees. I think Little Stein will pull out all the stops.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much the next big name signing or trade, this guy will be back driving the bandwagon.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
CC will be the worst FA signing ever.
You can put it on the board. What could be any worse than an overused Complete Choke?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
good one.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Who was the Yankee free agent pitcher who went to Georgia Tech
Kevin someone. He was pretty bad, too.
I apologize for nothing.
that was a bad one too
there have been and will be much worse FA signings than CC
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
i thought you were just holding back and not saying it
on account of you figured we all knew or something.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
more like...
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I <3 U, WU!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
you two, get a room.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahhahahahhaha. on fire, loser.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i·ro·ny
–noun, plural -nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, "How nice!" when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature.
a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6. the incongruity of this.
7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8. an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.
Yeah, I’m not seeing it.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
BA starting in center field 2008.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
wtgtd saying NOOOO NOOOO NOOOO!
Rest of blog changing their minds saying NOOO NOOO NOOO! After saying “give him a chance”.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
referencing HAWK dood
STRETCH! NOOOOO! NOOOO! NOOOOOOO!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How about...
we talk about whether Ken Williams is actually telling the truth above, or if he’s full of crap, like usual?
I, for one, would be surprised if he doesn’t bring in at least one “name” player for the lineup this winter.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
KW will wheel and deal, i'm sure.
it might be tough for him to sign a “big” FA but it’s almost ceremonial these days for KW to make a big trade.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
i can see that
KW came in promising a name and was bashed when he couldn’t deliver Hunter, Fukodome, et al.
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
thank god that didn't happen.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
too early for chebs
I’m still waiting for some bad pun here along the lines of “Whatever KW want’s he Getz” or something like that.
so I’ll get my coat again
regards
marching on together
boobs?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Oct 8, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this guy. i'm starting to like this guy.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
A question...
who is arb-eligible (and not already under contract) for 2009? Jenks? Floyd? Anderson?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
unless you consider sisco's status a pressing concern, of course
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
I don't.
But I thought there was some sort of loophole where if a guy spent the whole year on the DL he loses a year of eligibility. I could be wrong about that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Concerning payroll:
We lose 9 mil from Cabrera, 5 from Crede, 4.5 from Uribe….with some modest raises and such….shouldn’t we have 10-20 mil to play with? And, with another modest 5 mil or so overall bump(hopefully Jerry will allow Kenny at least this), can’t we be a player for 1 good free agent (example—-a guy like furcal) and another minor piece?
a lot of the stuff that's coming off the books is eaten up by the raises in guys contracts and obviously jenks is in for a payday.
you probably should revise down to $10M or so.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
That sounds about right.
My point is I want us to be involved in free agency—- we have to be.
Of course.
What GM is stupid enough to tell you what he really thinks or is gonna do?
Jim Paxson
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Oct 8, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
RECD
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
sad because it's true.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Former Cavs GM?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 11, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You should listen to him. He doesn't lie.
KW prides himself on not intentionally misleading, so it’s not that difficult to read between the lines.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
Referencing an earlier post:
Hey, I’m like Superman, baby.
I don’t lie.
by winningugly on Oct 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I like quoting myself rather than speaking in the 3rd person – less arrogant.
I apologize for nothing.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I noticed this yesterday, but forgot to ask....
When did we stop “Watching the Treadmill to Nowhere?”
Was that done for new post-season visitors? Are they gone yet?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
Here's what I have...
for guaranteed pay for 2009 -
Mark Buehrle – $14,000,000
Jim Thome – $13,000,000
Paul Konerko – $12,000,000
Jermaine Dye – $11,500,000
Javier Vazquez – $11,500,000
Jose Contreras – $10,000,000
AJ Pierzynski – $6,250,000
Octavio Dotel – $6,000,000
Nick Swisher – $5,300,000
Scott Linebrink – $4,500,000
Mike MacDougal – $2,650,000
Matt Thornton – $1,325,000
Alexei Ramirez – $1,100,000
TOTAL – $99,125,000
NOTE – Toby Hall has a 2009 option for 2,225,000 or a $150K buyout.
Guys who need a contract for 2009 -
Bobby Jenks
Gavin Floyd
John Danks
Carlos Quentin
Brian Anderson
Plus other random guys who might or might not make the roster, like Adam Russell, Chris Getz, Jason Bourgeois, Boone Logan, Clayton Richard, etc. Per larry, only Jenks will be expensive.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
I say fuck Toby Hall.
Let’s get a real catcher. Christ, we can get someone better defensively than him…..he doesn’t give us anything offensively, for christs sakes. What the fuck?
I think
the Phillies still pay at least 5 mil for Thome.
Yes, good point.
Phillies will pay $5.5 million of Thome’s $13 million salary, so the total obligation is $93,625,000 + whatever they want to give Toby Hall.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
mlb 4 u.
$22M of remaining $46M on his contract at time of trade that sends him to CHW is paid by PHI ($5.5M each season in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009)
I’m not 100% sure that’s accurate, but that’s what it says.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
possibly.
i guess that’s one way to interpret the $22M the phillies sent with thome. that seems to assume, however, that thome’s 2009 option was always going to vest. i’m not sure that’s how the teams would have structured the payments. i think it’s more likely that the phillies were paying $7.3ish million each year so far; it may be reasonable to assume that the deal included the phillies paying an equal amount for 2009 should it vest (or some portion of the buyout should it not and the sox don’t exercise it). i don’t think any of that is clear, however.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
I think you can assume
we’re getting a good chunk judging from the way the Sox used Thome. I kinda think theyda been a bit stingier with the at-bats had they (sox0 had to pay close to the entire 13.
I mean
throughout the year…..it could have been done wisely in a baseball sense.
lol.
yeah. i’m sure the sox would have done that. nothing like a union grievance, eh? and, just a little hint, one can make a really good argument – wait, forget ‘one’; i made this argument long ago – that the sox needed to squeeze every PA out of their best players if they hoped to make the playoffs. i’m gonna go ahead and state categorically that eliminating the 80 or whatever PAs by thome would have been the difference between playoffs and not.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
yeah, right.
if thome hadn’t stolen those 80 pa’s, the division would have been wrapped up with weeks to spare.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WRECKED
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we've
had this Thome vs. left-handed pitching argument before. Say whatever you will, but EACH one of the times they had him in the lineup vs. a lefty they shouldn’t have adds up to a lot. I will admit, however, he did better in most of those situations than I expected, for which I am grateful and glad to have been “wrong” in a sense——-but I will still defend every time I griped about each of those specific occasions. You could cite a million examples and provide semi-sane rationale for saying, " If such and such…..we wouldn’t be in the playoffs."
here's something called "facts"
try availing yourself of them.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=thomeji01&year=2008
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
being wrong is one thing. continuing to defend the occasions on which you were objectively wrong is something else entirely.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
he wasn't wrong. thome was just too stupid to look at his own splits and realize he should stop raking lefties this year.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
thome ops v. lefties within 5 points of dye's against righties. wonder if dante wanted dye benched against them, too.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't realize that.
Maybe he should have been. I’m guessing that that was not the case in years past, but I’m too lazy to look.
whoooooooooooooooooooooooosh.
yeah. maybe sit the guy with the .873 OPS against righties, far above his career average. you’re on fire today, dante.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
probably psychological. admit you're wrong, accept that you're powerless, and go back to work.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, life is very nearly all gray.
You’re likely somewhat right.
How do you expect to be taken seriously
if you don’t acknowledge when you are wrong, for all to see? C’mon, Doc, don’t you tell your patients it’s OK to be human? To err? To let your defenses down?
Physician, heal thyself.
I apologize for nothing.
infinity Rec'd!!!
larry, you are a god!!
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 8, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
just for fun, who would have hit instead of thome in those games?
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i may have to rethink my position.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
bat speed, pitch recognition >>>>>>>>>> lack of fear
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as I get a constant dose of heaters
I’d be good. No biting curves though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
what if the 80 PAs were subtracted from his strikeouts? eh? eh? i rest my case.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
In a baseball sense.
“Hmmm, I don’t think we’re gonna win this one, so Jimmer, sit this one out.”
THAT baseball sense? Fer Chrissakes, dante.
I apologize for nothing.
no doubt. and this coming from the good doctor of psychology.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Either way...
it looks like the Sox payroll will be somewhere in the $100M – $110M range if they don’t make any changes, maybe more if they decide now is the time to give Floyd, Danks, and/or Quentin long-term deals.
I don’t know what Reinsdorf’s ceiling is, but he’d have to raise it some if he wanted to add a big name without moving payroll. Like hitless said, moving Dye seems to make more and more sense.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't a change in facts cause something to "make more and more sense"?
nothing’s changed.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
Sigh...
I simply meant as that the facts reveal themselves.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying they were.
Just saying that the more I, personally, look at it, the more sense it makes to move Dye.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That chart makes Dye seem like a real strong candidate to be traded
If the Sox can find a a team that can afford him. He still can hit and moving him is the only option to significantly lower the payroll and get some flexibility to take on a new contract. And I’m assuming that’s a goal for the offseason.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 8, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Ehh -- I see no reason why they'd lower payroll
I could see staying the same as last season, but it’d tough for me to see Reinsdorf lower the payroll after a (albeit short) playoff appearance. Where were the Sox last season — somewhere around $110, right? Even if that figure is wrong, I’d guess the KW (if he so chooses) will have $5-10 million to add, in addition to what’s coming off the books. If that guess is correct (and there’s a whole lot of speculation in there, so it’s probably not), that’s more than enough to add a decent player plus a complementary piece. Or take on a whole contract (like, for example, Beltre making (IIRC) $12 million for next season).
See above.
The Sox are around $110 million right now for 2009, even if they make no changes (and that assumes that Cabrera, Crede, Griffey, and Uribe are all gone.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's not about lowering payroll
It’s about having the ability to acquire talent without significantly raising the payroll. If the Sox add a $7M year player through trade and sign Uribe as a backup they are very approximately $10M over this year’s payroll. I think the Sox need to move salary to clear room for any new acquisition and Dye is only significantly well-paid player that’s movable for a decent return.
I’m not calling anyone cheap here, or predicting that the Sox will sell talent simply to make a profit. I’m just guessing what their constraints are and how they will reshape the team within them.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 8, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Quentin?
Not a FA, but we can offer him arb., right?
Quentin is not yet arb-eligible.
He’ll make league-minimum, or close to it, unless the Sox decide to try to lock him into a long-term contract.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Oct 8, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
hasn't been in the league long enough to be arb eligible.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
although it looks like he's pretty close
he’s been in the bigs almost 2.5 years. but how do they decided if someone is in the top 17% of eligible 2 year players?
we should move contreras.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
i thought he's KO'd for next season
where can kenny move him to? luckily, williams moved freddy before the arm fell off, but jose’s leg just did. KW’s good, but he ain’t no helen keller tutor.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Oct 8, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sorry, i thought it was clear i was joking about trading the guy making $10M and out for the season.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Kenny, plz get Figgins, kthxbai
He’d be a great fit. Besides, I need a new 3B to be named after.
Also, I need a current player shirt. My collection now is quite dated: Crede, Hernandez, Garland, Contreras, Iguchi…Yikes
ok
Crede & Garland were my 2 fave players…yes, I know that makes me a weirdo here.
Got Hernandez b/c I loved him on the Yankees and was excited when we got him.
My Dad got Contreras and Iguchi for me for $5 each (amazingly while each was still on the team).
whatever you do
don’t get quentin, danks, or ramirez. no need to tempt fate. get a griffey shirt just to be safe.
maybe god is telling you to stop buying jerseys with people's name on them?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
the classics never go out of style.
recently disposed of players? not so much.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
Like this Frank Thomas jersey I am about to get.
Just because I am bitter at Thome for collapsing in september of 06 and september/october 08. Way to get it done Thomer. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=thomeji01&year=2006 then scroll to 2008 and see how great he is when the games count.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 8, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
the games in april through august were exhibitions?
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
by larry on Oct 8, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nonsense.
I am sorry I put a little more emphasis on september games in 06 when we were looking for a leader to step up. I know the pitching collapsed but maybe JUST MAYBE a huge month by Thome gets us in and we repeat.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 9, 2008 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions
and when you link to things, they probably shouldn't, you know, undermine your argument?
basic rhetoric. you know, emphasize strengths, downplay weaknesses. a .941 OPS is not exactly collapsing. what you should have done was ignore 2006 and link directly to 2008. that way it would have taken me roughly 8 seconds more to rip your argument apart.
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
Well Larry....
compared to what he did in prior months leading up to September 06 I is pretty easy to see where the argument is. Oh great he hit a homer to get us in the playoffs this year and then did nothing once we got in. He had 1 big hit and that was a leadoff double. So take your Thome “Mike Mustache” poster and shove it up your….
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 9, 2008 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions
your hero is a fucking choke artist, too
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=thomafr04&year=2000
clearly what the sox lack is more cowbell.
point taken
well not really, look at his BA with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. you should not link to something that does not help out your argument.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 9, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
oh. so now it's not september numbers that matter. it's 2 outs and runners in scoring postion.
well, again, i guess you shouldn’t point people to thome’s 2008 numbers then, either.
.941 OPS in Sep/Oct '06, hit the game winning homer in game 163 in '08.
Sorry, is this logic, irony or both?
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 8, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Ooooooooo, me likey -- That's a word for the Big Book of SSS Noises.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 8, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
richard scarry would be proud
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
That homer was a solo shot
A real run-producer would have generated more than 1 lousy rbi
by hitlesswonder on Oct 8, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
baseball rulez 101. you can only get moar than one run for a home run if there are one or more runners on base.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i apologize for not reading all of the subsections of the rule.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged for not taking into account my governmental immunity.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged for using governmental immunity as a trump card
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
flagged for governmental immunity being used two posts in a row
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
flagged for claiming any of this as your bit.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged for not understanding that i meant only the "flagged for third usage" part
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
flagged for assuming i read the entirety of the last flag chain
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
this has been a terrible subthread
i just wanted you all to know that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
flagged for stating the obvious.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
July 30, 2008: "White Sox not likely to make a trade"
“Not right now. I just talked to [general manager] Kenny [Williams] a couple of minutes ago and we don’t have anything in mind,” said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, who spoke briefly to Williams in his office prior to Wednesday’s pregame batting practice. “The only moves I expect to be made is when we have [Jose] Contreras, [Joe] Crede and [Scott] Linebrink back in the lineup. Then, we’ll be fine.”
Simply put, the White Sox offseason maneuvering figures to keep the team in contention for the rest of the 2008 campaign.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 8, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions
oh kenny you swaggery motherfucker
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
man it's not even mid-day yet.
what am i doing up?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
yeah for sure colin
furbs slept through the alarm this morning….missed first class….so stoked…
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
did you have yourself a WU moment there? I think you meant "so stroked"
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
omfg. it's almost 4:20!
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe for you, HPOS
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
don't bogart my mellow, brah...
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
what is this flag stuff?
everyone is on about it, so I’ve decided to flag you Col.
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regards
marching on together
You guys. Seriously. You guys...seriously. Check this out.
Dido + B&W Sox montage = NOSTALGIASTIC
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
do they still play 'rock and roll' by Gary Glitter at the Ball Parks?
this question is about 33% serious
regards
marching on together
someone called Hardon 'excercised his option'?
I’m sure there is a wanking joke in here somewhere.
marching on together
hoodlight just begging for someone to make a pun
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
yes. cubs exercised the $7 million option.
"well, i'm sure i'd feel much worse if i weren't under such heavy sedation."
by Toonderstrook on Oct 8, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he meant that our upper management just signed him.
If Harden’s arm falls off, he can still sit behind a desk. I guess.
No, I have it on good authority
when you go to work tomorrow your desk is the one with the pink slip on it.
I apologize for nothing.
OT - Never, EVER take a ride in the Dominican:
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) – Chicago Cubs reliever Carlos Marmol suffered minor injuries in a car accident in the Dominican Republic early Tuesday.
A truck hit a car carrying Marmol, a cousin and a friend in his hometown of Bonao near 2 a.m. The All-Star right-hander had just arrived in the Caribbean nation after the Cubs were swept by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the playoffs.
Marmol said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that the air bag deployed and he suffered only a cut and an “inflammation” of his forehead.
I apologize for nothing.
yes
Santo Domingo, Domincan Republic (furbsP)- The driver of the truck which struck Cubs reliever Carlos Marmol was finally revealed today. He gave himself up to the media, calling the “accident” not an accident at all. Going under the name MarketMaker, the man said he accomplished his mission which wasn’t even to injure the Cubs star. “That douchenozzle that was with Marmol and his cousin; he gave me and everyone else at South Side Sox (the lowest valued internet site on the entire web) fucking lip all season with constant bitching, and bashing of the beloved White Sox along with harsh comments towards women and youngsters of the site. To put it in simpler terms, the fucker had it coming. Vote MM/furbs bitches; tits and ass will prevail.” The fiend was taken into custody and thrown into a local shithole for a few hours until a portly little fellow who claims to be a college freshman going by the alias furbs torched the whole place and let MarketMaker out. Who is this person that MarketMaker went after? “I don’t know that shitcock’s name. He went by SSH2005. Now we don’t have to worry about listening to his bitching anymore. Wiz made his first public appearance in months and pulled the plug on SSH in the fuckstick facility this place calls a hospital. Now where the fuck is furbs? I’ll probably have to drag him away from the bars, nah fuck that rounds for everbody!” MarketMaker and furbs were last seen giving random people pictures of tits and ass and saying vote for us; and at the same time had Wiz roundhouse kick any naysayer to the face.
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Oct 8, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you been taking those speed pills to stay awake studying late, there, furbs?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i toss a few into my daily starbucks
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
that's what it's there for.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
don't need them tonight....it's wasted wednesday
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Rec'd, flagged, unrec'd, unflagged, then rec'd again.
This story … it had everything: Drama, tension, suspense, passion, swagger, savvy financial analysis, Furbosity, distribution of pornographic materials, the triumph of the human spirit, electioneering, use of the phrases “portly little fellow” and “fuckstick facility”, and roundhouse kicking.
It’s like Hemingway, Elmore Leonard, David Foster Wallace and Dostoyevsky rolled into one … except with more roundhouse kicking.
by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 8, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm gonna rec this. let that be a lesson to all of you. good things happen if we can just keep the discussion focused on me.
also, portly? furbs, did you just refer to yourself as a portly little fellow? hilarious.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
that i did...that i did
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
A Sox fan's revenge on a Cubs fan: And that, finally, was that
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/10/a-sox-fan-reven.html
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Speed kills
Guillen has always said he’s wanted speed, and Williams will once again try acquiring it. Both want to make the Sox quicker next season.
‘’We have some speed right here in the clubhouse right now, but the issue, when you’re talking about Jerry Owens, Chris Getz, Josh [Fields] when he’s healthy can run a little bit, so we have that in-house,‘’ Williams added. ’’It’s just for Ozzie to make those moves, with the type of veterans we had, the power, it’s a difficult thing for me to ask of him.
‘’But we have them in-house, and we’ll be looking more for those types.’’
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1205729,CST-SPT-soxnt07.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Will Owens ever just go away???
Don't look back because we are going forward!
they did this year.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
bobby not a cowbell fan
‘’Dumbest thing I ever saw,’’ he said Sunday of the fans’ rallying tactic. ‘’Just annoying. Minor league.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1204041,CST-SPT-sside06.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
BA says we got the #24 draft pick
#23 if Seattle signs Fields
and assuming we don’t sign any Type A’s like linebrink last year
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/266992.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
that a likely high school arm spot?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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