Projecting Josh Fields

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 6:18 PM CST Comment 177 comments

First, here's my work, so to speak. It's not supposed to be self-evident as I plan on breaking down what I did. Anyway, after all that math, I end up with a projection of .241/.311/.415 for Josh in '09. So what did I do?

What I really wanted to look at was Fields' true talent from 2006-2008. His 2007 was perhaps the only bright spot outside of Buehrle's no-no and, it seemed, bode well for a Crede-less 2008. Those 23 HR and the accompanying ISO had me fairly well convinced that despite his lack of glove and love of strikeouts, he could be slightly below average at 3B in 2008 and that we'd forget all about Joe Crede as soon as Kenny could let him loose. Then the offseason and the actual season happened and Fields was more or less forgotten and ended up battling injuries to the point that he didn't even break 300 AB in Charlotte. According to my 3B FA post, it's pretty clear I don't think that much of Fields at this point, but I skipped around actually quantifying his value.

Since then, Chone Smith released his 2008 defensive projections. Fields rates nearly a full win, -9 runs, below average. Remember that the replacement level player plays average defense, so replacement level and average are functionally equal here. So that's half of his 2009. What about the bat?

That's what all the math was about. I started with his raw stats from 2006-2008 and used the MLE calculator to get everything normalized to a neutral MLB setting. That's the first set of data on the google doc. The next thing was to get a coherent season out of 2007 between the Charlotte and Chicago parts. I took an average weighted by ABs and got his 2007. Next, I regressed each part of the slash line from each season to the AL 3 year mean. To show specifically, I used Actual*[(ABs)/550] + Mean*[(550-ABs)/550]. "Actual" = whatever part of the slash line I was using. So after all that, we have a regressed true talent slash line for 2006-2008.

The only thing left to do to make a Marcels' projection would be to weight each season (such that the more recent the season was, the more weight it receives) and then tack on an age component. The only thing I don't have is the age component, which may or may not be critical. 2006-2008 corresponded to Fields' 23-25 age seasons, so he stands to improve, on average, up until age 27. My projection, then, assumes that he's going to plateau at age 25 without even getting incrementally better through age 27. The .241/.311/.415 line completely neglects upside. You might think of it as the 50th percentile projection rather than the weighted mean, to use PECOTA terms. Or even maybe the 40th, depending on how high on Fields (of grass) you are.

Translate that to wOBA and it's around .320, which comes about to about 10 runs below average for 600 PA. All told, that's .5 wins above replacement, or 2 wins below average. What if we throw some upside back into it? What if he manages a .260/.330/.490 line, as per the old community projection? About .350 wOBA, which gets him all the way to -.5 wins above average.

Lastly: this is me doing math. We all know how well that turns out. So, obviously, there may be some glaring errors that potentially invalidate the specifics of what I've done here. But no matter! What's intriguing to me about this is the method. Front offices do the same thing every day in their evaluation of players from the Rule V draft to CC's future deal. With the vast array of resources baseball-crazed webfolks have made available, and for free no less, we can do the same damn thing. Pretty cool, I say.

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What ever happened to just looking

and being able to tell he isn’t that great. this is too complicated for me. i could tell you his is below average just by watching him.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

ask all of the unemployed scouts what happened.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So even if he maxes out on his potential

he’s still merely average. Got it.

Beckham can’t mend this hole fast enough. Mend it like Beckham.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he doesn't try, though.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

then fucked we are all most indeed.

I reckon that Crede fellow will still be available for 3 years, 30 million. The man’s got grinder written in his vertebrae. So much so that they grind together, rendering him useless.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a simple question from a simple man.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who hit up the new club before you did.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

vegas has been put on the back burner, my long-haired friend.

this fall/winter is about miami and LA. i’ve been running vegas into the ground the last year+. (not that i don’t love it out there.)

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL. Like Harry S. Truman or Will Rogers is Kenwo.

LOL. You are on a roll lately, MM.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or maybe just a simple question from a man who new he sucked

from watching him for a year. His bat is slow, his feet are slow, he doesn’t have good instincts and he stated he thought about quitting baseball meaning his motivation to improve is low. it doesn’t take a spreadsheet to come up with the answer that he isn’t good.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not that i don't appreciate the effort by colin.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nice usage of the word "new"

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 10, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hah sorry

tough trying to think and type with a 13 month old on your lap. i will be surprised if that was the only mistake made. nonetheless, my point remains the same

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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think that fields can have a decent season next year...i'll be bold and go out and project

a .265/.345/.530

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 10, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no way

that’s similar to what I thought about Q last year! But you know me. Always the pessimist.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

here's hoping

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's more than decent, furbs. an ops of .875 would have been top 5 in baseball for third basemen.

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by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Way to rein in your VP mate. Keep him on a short leash, will ya?

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you can't believe in that sort of change?

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by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Obama became the Sox' hitting coach, maybe.

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by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he will struggle

if he gets a full seasons worth of at bats i see .230/ .310/.430 22 HR (most of them being meaningless) 60 RBI and bad bad bad defense. Personally I think Uribe would match or eclipse those numbers and play defense markably better.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

markably?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has a 13-month old doing a lap dance on him.

Give the man some slack.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was making a highly bold statement....

i think fields has a good upside and will turn in a career year next season…and then steadily decline

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 10, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uribe's defense will be a win and a half better at third

so he doesn’t even need to hit that to be as good as Fields. I will be sad to see him go, now that I truly understand his ways.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe if he wasn't such an overweight thug he'd be of even more value

too bad we’ll never know what THAT could have been like. /char char

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, blowin dudes away with shotguns

is pretty thuggish.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

22 HR (most of them being meaningless)

I take it he won’t be clutch!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the only person in the bigs who is less clutch than josh fields is jim thome

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the only person in the bigs who was less clutch than josh fields was jim thome

fixed. thome retired in disgrace over his unclutchiness. and i understand he recently drowned. have yet to receive confirmation whether it was in front of his children or not.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just hope sniffle that he's wearing a sniffle white sox hat in heaven.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i hear he went in as a charlotte knight.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heaven?

st. peter doesn’t like guys that aren’t clutch

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this is all too much to bear.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ha! to the three of yous.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nice work colin, very interesting

i like the regressed data added in

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 10, 2008 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

how long you been working on this, colin?

the timing is good, considering that a josh fields conversation had just began elsewhere on SSS. i guess my line for fields in 2009 would probably be pretty close to the old prediction. perhaps something like .255/.335/.500.
it’s probably optimistic, but i think healthy legs might actually make a tangible difference in his stats.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

as soon as the fields conversation started, i found myself getting sucked in

but it was when larry said that he didn’t think a .308 OBP was likely, it got me wondering what was. if you like my math, it looks like .308 ain’t that far off.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm looking at the math, but i can't gather the interest to figure out exactly how you got your numbers.

i used the MLE on his charlotte numbers to equate them to chicago. they come out way more generous for ba and obp, and seem more believable, imo. i’m just having a hard time convincing myself that someone who ops’ed .900 in 2006/7 in albeit a hitter-friendly aaa park is gonna translate out to a .726 ops in chicago.

on second look, i’d prolly revise my slugging for fields to the .475 area, but i still think your projection is more worst-case scenario than conservative.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd like to look at it worst-case if we don't get an improvement this off-season

that way when he hits like he used to, i can be pretty happy with it

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think the biggest point here is that even if he lives up to our old expectations

he still isn’t better than average.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the world's littlest glove has to say something about that

…or maybe we can trade him for Rex Grossman. Something tells me they’ll both be better assets in their new homes.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're not supposed to equate them to chicago.

MLB neutral yo.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with your assessment - it looks highly optimistic.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, that slugging is prolly wishful thinking.

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by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That was my thought.

I truly don’t believe he’ll do better than Che did last year.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

where's he gonna be hitting in the order?

i know it’s pretty irrelevant, but i’m just wondering. he’d be like 7th or so right?

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

as of right now of course

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

let's see

Not here
Nor here
Q’s Here
JD/PK/Dye
see above
again
doubt it
lol
bullseye

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

funny

rec’d

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It would be a mockery if rec'd again, for I meant to say "Thome" instead of Dye.

We don’t want to scar the sanctity of this… um… place.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

flagged

you fucked up

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 10, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

welllll

Swisher
Alexei
Quentin
Dye
Thome
Konerko
Pierzynski
Getz
Fields

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wouldn't they flip fields and getz?

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by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yuck.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Given the same players i think a better lineup would be

Swisher
Getz
Alexei
Quentin
Thome
Dye
Konerko
AJ
Fields.

Still yuck but I think it is a little better.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yuckier.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how is it yuckier?

my feeling is that putting Getz second (supposedly he has good bat control and can bunt, otherwise he wouldn’t be in this conversation) would maximize his skill set….. Putting Alexei second and having him bunt would limit his.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

taking away plate appearances from quentin makes it yuckier.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he'll get more RBI opportunities with my proposed lineup.

however it doesnt matter because hopefully a couple of these guys won’t be in the line up anyway

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

che + getz = questionable on base skillz

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Nov 10, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the whole team has questionable on base skills

unless you want thome to hit leadoff.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't put alexei in the 3 hole

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 11, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you want him in your 5 hole, don't you?

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

boosh

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 11, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW, Colin Wyers at Stat Speak did his own Marcels:

Josh Fields: 0.248/0.320/0.449 (compared to my .241/.311/.415). Add 7 points of average to mine and it’s .248/.318/.422. So I’m short 27 points of SLG.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

you're a former pitcher. of course you ended up light on slg when projecting a hitter.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did i ever tell you that no one ever hit a home run off of me when it wasn't raining?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but didn't you play in the amazon rainforest league?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2008 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fields 09'

.288/.375/.525 34 hr 115 rbi

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 10, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

How many errors at 3rd?

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Nov 10, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who cares with a line like that?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

probably would be less than crede had this year had crede played a whole year

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

good point...

didn’t crede have like 17 through may? yikes.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a little ridiculous

but i definately think hell be a lot better than colins projection

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 10, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? My vote is, "who knows"

In limited at-bats, it looked like teams were onto the “throw a fastball down the middle” strategy and Josh couldn’t handle it. If that’s still the case, I think Colin’s projection is optimistic. If not, I think Fields could produce something like a slugging heavy .770 OPS again. Given that Fields was hurt last season, and that he’ll be supremely motivated and entering his peak-age season I can’t be completely pessimistic about his offense — I honestly don’t know what to expect.

But I do think I know what to expect on defense; his lateral range is horrible. A .770 OPS would be slightly above average at 3B but it wouldn’t nearly make up for his defense. And .770 seems like a ceiling.

I think the Sox feel that ways as well. And given all that, my prediction is Fields is not the starting 3B for the Sox in 2009. Especially with Getz/Nix at 2B. I think the Sox trade for a 3B.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 10, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hilarious

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wonderful sig.

I thoroughly enjoyed Xtackles

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Nov 10, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it was pretty good

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so was predicting

we would go to the playoffs this year.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not nearly as unbelievable as a .900 OPS or .288 BA from Fields

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 11, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i mean

it totally wouldn’t be unbelievable that the guy could put up numbers that would have ranked him 7th in the AL in OPS last year

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 11, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just curious

where you hade Carlos projected last year? I remember the talk was that Fields would be a middle of the order run producer. I am going off of that talk.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

food for thought from others

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/2/20/153047/629

and also danks’ cutter appears!

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

I just love how a guy loses his starting job because Crede could not be traded, gets a nagging injury, plays through it for most of the year and people think he blows. The Josh Fields I remember was a stud at the plate and atrocious in the field. So I have decided to project him having a bounce back year with the stick. God only knows how he will do in the field, I heard Ventura was working with his defense all year.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fantasy focus at THT has a brief blurb on him in their review of outfielders

they do consider him a ‘riser’

Carlos Quentin was among the top 50 outfielders taken in 2008 and finished with the 15th best stats, despite missing the final month of the season due to a fractured wrist. Quentin came out of nowhere to blast 36 home runs for the White Sox, drive in 100 runs, and bat .288. Before 2008, Quentin was a touted minor league prospect who was bothered by injuries and could never seem to translate his minor league game to the majors. In 2008, Quentin was obviously able to translate his game, but I still view him as an overrated player heading into 2009. As with Ludwick, expect the home runs and batting average to regress to the 25 and .260-.270 range.

read entire article here

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

do you liek cutterz?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*have

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow. We better win 100 games with that offense from 3B.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 11, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haven't you been for keeping crede around?

why would you want to keep crede if you think fields is gonna hit like that?

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by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2008 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because we already know what a healthy Crede can do

offensively AND DEFENSIVELY. I mean I am all for keeping Crede if talk is that Blake would be our new 3b. The problem with Crede in my eyes is that surgery did not work for him, which makes me believe he could be done for good.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but he just had another surgery.

this time i’m sure they got it right.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hopefully they get my back right tomorrow.

I don’t want to be the Joe Crede of my softball league.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

another surgery on his back?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

right.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't aware...

thanks

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

btw, was it the same surgery as last year?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

a 25 y.o. slightly below average starting MLB player making the minimum salary is a very valuable property. I would be quite happy with that player. And if you think Juan Uribe is better than a -.5 win 3B then I’ve got bridge to sell you.

I say give a healthy Josh Fields a chance. If he can be a slightly below average 3B at MLB minimum that frees up a LOT of money to improve the club in other ways (which is why said player is so valuable). If he’s gonna be a 2 win below average player then he’s not valuable at all. But I’d rather spend a little time finding out. Now if you can go get an Adrian Beltre then by all means go ahead. But if you’re going to fill his position with the Juan Uribes of the world, I’d much rather go with the cheaper player with some upside.

I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.

by bhoov on Nov 10, 2008 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

tell me about this bridge

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i honestly thought the same comment. word for word. you're a gentleman.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2008 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thank you sir

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 11, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

blowing other members again?

You are the Paris HIlton of SSS!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

providing no insight on anything and going off of what your eyes tell you on everything?

you are the Jim Rome of SSS

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 11, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

I like that! //WHOOSH

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

word

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Motion Seconded,

I am by no means a fan of josh fields, but at least he has some X factor. Some promise / potential. We’ve held on to him for this long, we know what replacement level is and after 60 games we will know weather or not he’s well below it.

I also think that how long he gets depends on what we do with center and 2nd base and how they are doing. We can’t just surrender 3 innings per game, and batting, Anderson, Getz, Fields might be doing just that.

After playing 3 years of college baseball i find it hard to believe that a major league hitter can’t keep his hands inside and pull the trigger on a straight fastball. The fact that he hits curveballs so well makes me believe that he goes to the plate, looking for breaking ball. Where as, I was always taught to sit fastball and adjust to the rest. I’m sure this a lot tougher to do at the major league level, which is why i’m writing about it and not doing it.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 11, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a half win above replacement level is worth $2.4 million

so that’s what you bank with Fields if he’s as bad as the math says.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fields blows...

Play Uribe…… He will hit 20 home runs…. 70 RBI’s….. He’s got a rocket for an arm….. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU’RE DOING!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how old are you?

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?! He had 30 home runs, over 100 RBIs last year! He's got a rocket for an arm... You don't know what the hell you're doing!

Ken phelps got traded in that deal.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 11, 2008 7:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

haha

Someone knew where i was coming from. Awesome part of TV history!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

claims he is like

31 or something

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 11, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just turned 29 last week

and no one got me a bday gift. To hell with you all

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

id figure by your posts that you'd be

maybe 8

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

why because i quoted a tv show?

how old are you? 75?

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

noone knows no age.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who is this noone?

projecting josh fields, guessing ages, interviewing alexei – mutli-talented guy/gal?

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dasox13's brother.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and alexie's cousin

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i can't tell if you're doing that on purpose anymore. flagged.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dude, that's cold

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i do notice a chill. maybe i should get tested after all.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

follow the antibiotics regimen exactly as prescribed

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

run run run

run run run runaway

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you quotin' of montreal again boy

i told you to knock that shit off

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I reckoned you were about nine or ten

with your immaculate punctuation and all that.

regards

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 11, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nicely done.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 11, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i guess wu ordered that male stripper for himself. i expect a refund of my contribution.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haha OHHHH he was from you guys?

Thanks a lot!!!!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wu, my apologies.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

next year ..... how bout a black man??????

can’t beat chocolate thunder.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you'll get what you get. beggars can't be choosers, closet boy.

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was a simple request asswipe!

no need to call names.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

uh huh. nice of you to show up to lend some sanity.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

meant in reply to KenWo?

clearly

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you are messing with my mind with the 'clearly'

it was meant for whom i replied. no sarcasm or hidden message. i agree with everything bhoov wrote. except for the bridge. even though we’re in a depressed economic environment, i have no need for liquidity and will not be selling my bridges at cut rate prices.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

especially when your bridges will be getting fixed soon

For the record, I agree with bhoov too. and I’m thinking of making this my new sig:

YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU’RE DOING!

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was just quoting

Frank Costanza when he got hot at George Steinbrenner on Sienfeld…..

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 11, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I would, however, be okay with Uribe piggybacking Fields...

in the same way that Manuel subbed Bruntlett in for Burrell. Lead after the 7th (I think Manuel was actually doing it after the sixth)? Uribe swapped for Fields.

by CWSKeith on Nov 11, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's just got so many uses

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

eric bruntlett made approximately $600,000 last year and will make only marginally more this year.

there is a point where one needs to stop paying millions of dollars for a utility player. considering what appear to be the white sox’ budget constraints next season, it seems they’ve reached that point.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lincecum take NL cy young.

after all the talk, only one nutjob voted cc first.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081111&content_id=3674375&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

you think halladay will get it over lee for al?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i certainly hope not.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

halladay was better

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no. close. but no.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no Frankie Rodriguez love?

though yes, Halladay was #2 among starters.

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck that

how many innings did he throw?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who? Frankie? what does it matter?

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it shouldn't matter.

what matters is that frankie wasn’t that good.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed. the fact he didn't have a great year is what should matter.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

77K in 67IP? 62 Saves?

Yeah, WHIP of 1.29 could be better. But I think setting the saves record gets him consideration whether YOU/WE think they’re that important.

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm sure that will get him some undeserved votes. but he wasn't even the best closer in the al, let alone the best pitcher.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lee is head and shoulders #1, but FR at #2 wouldn't surprise me

deserving or not

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'll toast to the potential of the writers going that route, but i'm hoping at least lee and halladay come in 1-2.

"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 12, 2008 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i prefer to talk in terms of value provided.

and innings are a big deal there.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they did a thing where they determined

how easy or hard a schedule each pitcher had and lee had the easiest and halladay had one of the hardest

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"they" "did a thing"

You know you’re talking to a seamhead, right?

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's nice.

his FIP, tERA etc. were all a half run better than halladay. don’t really care how good your competition supposedly is or is not in that case.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dude, you're losing me with this

fips, vorp, tera mumbo jumbo. lee was 22 and 3 and halladay was 20 and 11, lee should win the cy young.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

clearly?

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 11, 2008 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

flagged

for east coast bias. go back to boston, faggot.

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no commentary required.

Ramirez, who finished second in the American League rookie of the year voting, said he has embarked on a weight-lifting program but he hasn’t resumed hitting because his bats have yet to arrive.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/11/ramirez-welcome.html

by larry on Nov 11, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

hahaha

i knew hed start to bulk up, maybe well get some kind of soriano type production out of him with some added muscle minus the stolen bases

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 11, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ozzie on anyone (hmm, SSH?) who suspects che uses roids

Guillen shrugged when asked where the 6-3, 185-pound infielder gets his power.

“I don’t think he’s using illegal stuff, if you see his body,” the manager joked.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs