Unnamed Scouts Confirm Our Critical Thinking, Gonzales Reports

Beautiful

If that’s not top-notch journalism, I don’t know what is.
+1

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 12, 2008 10:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if by posting this comment, it'll keep it from happening.

But I imagine Jim might have some things to say about getting the hell out of journalism. If we could just get the stupid out of the major journalism outlets and give it some room to breathe, it’ll be just fine.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 12, 2008 10:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Obviously a very good post though.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 12, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I am going into journalism

in college. My aspirations are sports announcer/broadcaster and sports writer. Don’t crush my dreams, just….don’t.

BTW: Anyone here graduate from St. Joseph’s College in Rensalear? Just wondering, that’s where I am going.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 12, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i know some people that have and know a few people going there now

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 12, 2008 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Journalism....media as a whole

is a very tough field to crack. Especially in a city like Chicago. I got my bachelors in media…. interned at the Score….. and after being unemployed for awhile….started substitute teaching and eventually went back to get my history degree.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What? You weren't getting anywhere writing about the Willow Springs Little League Championship of '84 for the 50th time?

:-)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, who's the other estrogen-charged person on this site?

Cheat mentions TWO ladies. I count one.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

PS colin only counts as a half.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was wondering too.... The Ghost of PR? That chick who posted the end of season montage?

I discounted both of those and just went with Colin too.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, yeah, Miss Jennifer?

Does she count? I think your posting volume counts at 1.5 women, and from how you describe yourself on this site, your, ahem, “experience”, shall we say, counts as a Mormon/Palin family worth of women.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but let us not forget that I have big balls.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not hairy, though.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, I am no Floyd.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

eastbaysd and pr is all i can think of

other than the occasional one-and-done fanposter (little league ‘OMFG teh cubz’, montage lady, etc.)

there was the brief time where wiz had that nasty case of sandy vag, does that count?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the little league lady was the best

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I did not have her,

so I’ll take your word for it.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

'84-'88. get it right or pay the price.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Chicago is the best town in the country for journos

Opportunity abounds. Be persistent. Always leave a meeting w/ another name to contact.

by RoyEgan on Nov 13, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great

Now I’m fixated more on what I was expected to say than any response I actually have.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I changed the future!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

But I’d peg this as more of an issue of reaction time than critical thinking (unless we’re talking about the between-line reading at the GM meetings, which was horrible).

Considering 1) the shrinking amount of newshole, 2) the amount of space for the second-favorite out-of-season team, 3) the conference-call stories that they had to have in between the GM meetings and today, and 4) that two different writers wrote the first and second stories, there isn’t a lot of space or time right now to catch up. Especially since the Trib is a helluva lot more conservative in their approach, whereas the S-T delights in editorializing within pretty straight news stories.

To put it another way, the resources aren’t there for some real innovative coverage, especially out of season. Somebody will have to sacrifice something, and nobody’s really in the mood to in this climate.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 13, 2008 2:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Newshole?

I’d google it but I am afraid of searching on my work computer for anything with “hole” in it.

by joewho112 on Nov 13, 2008 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Available space in the newspaper for editorial content.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 13, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe has been to the Manhole too many times, it appears.

“Sinkhole” is scary for other reasons around these parts, but perfectly able to be printed in a family newspaper.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so you're basically saying the constrictions of being a newspaper are holding them back

from informing the public properly? our line of reasoning here wasn’t especially long or difficult to come upon jim, so i’m not sure i buy that. but at the same time…you have infinitely more understanding of the medium, so i’m kind of just unsure.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Properly" is in the eye of the beholder

It seems like it’s proper, just slow. And if you’re suddenly realizing that newspapers are going to respond to things slower and in less depth than trade publications (which is really what good blogs are), then congratulations — you have a complaint about newspapers that’s older than you are.

And economic and business-model constraints are only going to make it tougher to keep up.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 13, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have condoms older than colin. And I've been "fixed." (TMI?)

Older than you, too, Jim. (Or is it “Yoo-Hoo, Jim”?)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

Fixed

1) probably why they old;
2) why the f*ck are you keeping them?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Joke.

DON’T YOU KNIOW A JOKE WHEN YOU HEAR ONE? AH-HAHAHAHAHA1

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 14, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wow. you let her convince you to snip-snip?

well, i suppose that answers the question on who the 2 women are that cheat was talking about.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 13, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. And since abstinence is raging (is that possible?)

it’s like the old “belt and suspenders” protection – redundant.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 14, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Changed the title, since Williams wasn't exactly quoted

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 12, 2008 11:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i'd miss jd were he traded, but it's hard to argue that it isn't the most logical move.

how nice is it to have some level of confidence in the gm’s ability to valuate his assets?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 12, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

In JD’s 4 years with the sox he has averaged
34 Home Runs
95 rbi’s
85 runs
284 batting average

He’s obviously on the downside, and has no range in right field, but you can’t take away what he’s done. Take out 2007 and his numbers are fantastic. He is very humble. Seems to be great in the clubhouse and overall a very likable guy.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 12, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i hate this comment so much now.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 13, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I told my brother this would happen

about 2 days after the playoffs…… I see why it would be done….. i just really hope that we can find a way to keep Dye and trade Konerko. JD is so good. Without him in the lineup…and with too many rookies…. it is pretty safe to assume 2009 will not be a great one on the south side. maybe with the move 10 and 11 will be good? who knows.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i think the last 2 seasons have weighed heavily in most peoples' minds, but a little food for thought:

ba .276 obp .338 slg .491 ops+ 112 age 34
ba .277 obp .352 slg .491 ops+ 116 age 32

jd and konerko have pretty damn similar career numbers, but jd’s trade value seems to be significantly higher than paulie’s. just another reason, i suppose, that jd should be the guy the sox try and move.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 12, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jd's value is higher

because he is still good. Konerko was about as awful as awful gets last year. Plus JD can score from second on a double. He still is ok in the outfield as well. I can live with Swisher replacing Konerko….I have a very hard time with him replacing Dye.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm down on konerko, but i don't think it'd be shocking for him to have a better season than jd next year.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 12, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think there is a chance in hell

that if both are healthy Konerko has a better year than Dye.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You hate Paulie. As a source of opinion you are obviously biased.

You’re entitled tto that bias, but it clouds your objectivity. Of course there is a chance in hell. There’s more than a chance. And do you not remember Che’s play of the year would not have been an out had Paulie not barehanded the throw. He’s still spry, though very limited in his range.

Paulie just might be OK. JD will get us more in a trade. He’s lasted about 1-2 seasons at a high level of performance (OK, 2008 at least was a high level) longer than most who have opined on this site. Other than the Swisher trade, which is still under review because Nicky’s not done yet, KW has juggled his sheckles pretty well the last year or so.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What's quicker?

1. A ~~—> B -~~→ C.

2. A —→ C.

Sox in 2009!

by ballyb on Nov 12, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

A to C is quicker

but im not sure i want to blow off B

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow these DePaul journalism students are interviewing everyone.

I write for Gapers Block and one DePaul student recently contacted the editor to interview her. Small world.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Nov 12, 2008 11:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They're scraping the bottom of the barrell

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 12, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ba-zing!

even with the extra “L”.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 12, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

SSS

is the shit.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Nov 12, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I guess that i left out,

I think that trading him is the right move….

I also think that Jenks and Javy should be gone too….

I think that we are stuck with Konerko, Swisher. It makes no point to sell so low.

I do feel that we should give Jenks a couple million bonus before he’s gone though. He’s gotten about a million and a half in the 4 years since he’s been here, closed out a world series for us, and saved 117 games while Blowing 16….. but man it seems like his arm is going…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 12, 2008 11:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I really am not a fan of trading JD Javy or Jenks.

you are creating holes you will need to fill…..you won’t get anything but prospects (let it be known I am not a fan of prospects because most of the time they don’t pan out….. actually same goes for draft picks which i know on this site that statement is an act of communism)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 12, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually agree.

Which is why I personally would stick it out, swallow the defense and hope for the best. However, KW is not one to sit still. It certainly is a tough situation. I don’t want any of them to leave on this note; it just doesn’t seem right. I could live with Swisher being moved, but only for a young player who has similar value and jagged last year.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 12, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You have to trade something

to get something.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Nov 13, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If you can get me a major league ready talent

then go for it. But these names thrown around for Dye are not major league ready. Why in the world would you trade a guy who will hit 30 homers for a guy who you may never see north of Charlotte. If i am trading Jermaine Dye you gotta do better than Bobby Parnell in my eyes.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

but I’m not sure that major league talent is out there. Maybe Scott Rolen…

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nah.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not that bad of an idea...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who the hell even is bobby parnell?

the mets have crap in their farm right now. if they’re a match at all, it’s for someone they’ve got on their 40 man or a third team.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how about fernando martinez?

would you go for him?

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=30926

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're still missing milledge, aren't you?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

don't open old wounds toonder!

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that would be a pretty big reversal for the mets

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

screw the mets

I wanna hear what our resident seamhead has to say

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's me?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we are all fucked, aren't we?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

indubitably.

at least there’s Cheat.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ok

resident pitching seamhead

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just you.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

duh

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well shit, i didn't really consider him a possibility

so i’ll have to get back to you. anything in particular you’re wondering?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

worried a bit with the

age/performance thing

I keep hearing ’he’s only 17, 18, 19 …"

well he has to perform at some point yes?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he was league average in AA as a 19 year old CF

i think that is performing, if my impression of him is right.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well in the very least, i seriously doubt that a single year of Dye

plus the mutual option is worth martinez. it’d have to be vazquez, imo.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have stated this before...

almost word for word.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is kind of what I said in larry's innuendo fanpost

but Gonzalez is really making himself out to be a buffoon with this. I understand it was Van Dyck reporting during the GM meetings, but these Dye rumors have not only been fairly obvious to those who can think critically, they were reported on the air almost three weeks ago! When it comes to sources, I would probably rank his as being the worst.

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Van Dyck's reporting was worse -- way awfuler

He suggested the Sox might trade Vazquez to the Mets for Castillo or Boston for Lugo as an exchange of bad contracts. That’s number one on the board of stupidest MSM trade speculation in my book.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I read that too… awful reporting, KW is not that STOOPID.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, I forgot

I ran Konerko through my little Marcels ripoff projection maker (still ohne age correction):

.260/.345/.458

And Swish:

.250/.360/.455

And Thome:

.261/.378/.520

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

DFA them all!

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FTR:

Konerko comes out to about 5 runs above average, which I think is 12 runs above replacement for a 1B according to Sean Smith’s replacement defn. That’s a million dollars per run.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually it's worse than that, since he's -3 runs above average at 1B

So he’s almost a full win better than replacement if that’s what he hits for a whole season.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Swish is about a win above average at the plate

and another half win in RF…apparently I’ve memorized the Smith D Projections for our club.

Thome: 25 runs aa, but 23 runs above replacement, which is obviously more pertinent here. Also, I think that Thome SLG projection is too high by 20-30 points. and that 23 number comes per 600 PAs, when he’s more likely to get 500 or perhaps fewer. Still obviously very good when in the lineup.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't marcel, like the bill james projection, tend to overestimate?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it doesn't "tend" to do anything on a whole...

and what i did isn’t exactly marcel. the lack of an age adjustment, for one, is a big deal. it isn’t really all that useful to tell people what jim thome can do when he’s healthy. it’s very useful to be able to tell how healthy he’s going to be. i can’t really do the latter without an age adjustment. personally, i think the PECOTA cards do a much much better job fleshing out what the player’s skill set and probabilities are. a straight slash line isn’t that great, if you ask me.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just seeing this, thanks!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your ripoff projection maker

thinks that Fields is going to do worse than he did when he was forced into action in 07’.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And a side note to the Fields one:

Considering all the regression that had to be done to Fields thanks to missing PAs for injuries and such, its reliability is relatively lower than those above.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Love this line from Gonzo too

To replace Dye, the Sox could acquire a young power-hitting outfielder or move left fielder Carlos Quentin to right, where he has played throughout most of his career.

Or they could plug in Swisher who is also a young power-hitting outfielder with a reasonable salary under control for the next three years. Trade him back to Oakland for Gio!

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

where would these guys be without that CHICAGO TRIBUNE name slapped all over everything they do?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

detectives

keepin their ears on the street

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Nov 13, 2008 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Swish in left, Q in right seems most appropriate

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

apropos of nothing:

10 points in wOBA is worth half a win over 600 PA. i have no idea if you guys are as into wOBA as i’ve been lately, but for win accounting, it really rocks.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 2:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

iz thiz englush?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 13, 2008 2:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dye

Reading rumors that some NL teams are looking at him? Again these are “rumors” but what GM/team in their right mind would keep JD in the NL for 2009 and beyond? I think his days of butchering any OF position would be significantly numbered.

The again what team in their right mind would have traded for Griffey Jr. and stuck him in CF as their everyday starter during a close division race?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

He did hit better than most of his teammates during the playoffs...

(Ducks.)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but was pitiful leading up to it.

Not that I don’t love JD, nor that the entire team wasn’t pitiful in September (Paulie aside!)….just sayin.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

think he was talking about Griffey.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks for translating.

my comment remains as is, thank you.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

New favorite Mets trade:

Niese, Murphy, and Parnell for Dye and Jenks

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gross

by 3E8 on Nov 13, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i looked up that Parnell guy

his stats are pretty meh. I still haven’t seen a scouting report. I have no idea why he’s getting bandied about.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm enjoying reading these actually...it establishes that prospect over-valuation occurs among all fanbases

Sox fans might be better off since we know all the Sox prospects are teh suck.

Murphy, as well, is interesting. He way outperformed his minor league stats over 150 MLB at-bats last season at 23. I haven’t read a scouting report on him, but Mets fans* seem to value him quite highly. Just going on minor league numbers, I’d not like the idea of trading Dye or Jenks for him.

that post on the web

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it is ridiculous

to think about trading Dye. You don’t trade your MVP. Sorry Gonzo/SSS. I go into next season with the same team before I trade Dye.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It all depends on what you can get back for him.

Sox have a few holes to fill and if you get quality in return, why not trade him? I think Q! was the MVP.

You could always keep Dye, and trade him at the deadline, but their is a risk that he gets injured – which is getting to the point where there might be a good probability that he gets injured next year. He is getting older, has leg problems and there is no room for him to DH.

He currenty has high value to a lot of teams.

Sox need some help in CF, 3B, bullpen and possibly another starter. Sox also need to rebuild the minors….trade high WTGTD.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I just dont want to see what happened

to the Rockies happen to the Sox.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we've been spoiled a few times before by kenny being able to sell guys low (sweaty freddy, mccarthy, sirotka, etc.)

but in the closed universe of mlb, there aren’t enough suckers around that you can get something for nothing every time. any dye trade proposals will be interesting to me in part because other teams obviously know the sox have a logjam and that thome and konerko and damn near unmoveable.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Literally and figuratively - statues.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

See I would expect a huge return for Dye. I think to make the team better you, trade Konerko or Thome for what ever you can get and they won’t be as sorely missed as Dye would be. We have a good team with all these guys, we have a really good team if Konerko or Thome is gone, no matter what we get in return.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be interested in knowing your response when Dye was first signed by the Sox.

I don’t believe too many folks thought it was a big deal, or as big as it has become now because of his steady, above-average performance. I would bet we’ve squeezed out about as much above-average performance as we could expect and would be well served IF we can get far, or above-fair, value for him.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I swear to god, I was absolutely

ecstatic. JD was my 2nd favorite player next to big frank. When JD went down in the playoffs I really felt sorry for him and rooted for him all the way. After how I heard the handshake deal went down I was JD for life. I am not totally JD JD JD!!!! I think Crede deserved WS MVP over Dye.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well that explains your defense of JD.

Good to know what axe the person with whom you are debating has to grind.

My fave is Dick Allen, so I’d have never traded him, either, even though he drank like hoodie/colin during his playing days.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was ecstatic when Thome was traded here too,

I just haven’t seen him get it done like he should/could have. I thought he would be to guy to pick this team up and carry it on his back and he never did. I guess if JD is gone Thome will have 1 more chance next year.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has carried the team in spurts.

So has JD. So has AJ. So has Che. So has Uribe, fer Chrissakes. Thome got us into the playoffs this year. He’s done quite well in his service for us. Not an MVP, perhaps, but a nice middle-of-the-order DH. I think he’s done exactly as advertised for a guy his age.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Guys

we need more singles.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He did get us in the playoffs,

along with Danks and Jenks.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm missing the comparison??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We aren't trading our MVP, we're trading Dye.

If we were trading Mark, Q, or Danks, I’d understand the outrage. He’s in his fucking thrities and can barely cart around RF anymore. Perfect time to move him.

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Barely cart around RF?

Do you watch Sox games? Seriously.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not once

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you listen on the web?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He isn't a good RF'er

Seriously.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He is if he can get to it.

Ironic that WTGTD is defending Dye’s OF play.

LOOK AT YOUR NAME, MAN! CHANGE ONE LETTER!

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

can’t pull the trigger on that.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HA!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

boosh

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bull shit.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HUH?

You are saying Dye is a good RF’er?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

after reading your comments above as JD’s #1 Fan – and card carrying member, plus this answer I will not try and convince you otherwise.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He is though...

He makes awesome catches like once a game. I am not going to say he sucks in the field when I do not believe he does.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

okay

am I being punk’d?

Awesome Catches that most RF’ers would get as a routine catch.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you get an extra out for making it look routine?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So that makes him a good RF'er?

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my head hurts

I watched JD over the last two years turn singles into doubles, doubles into triples, outs into hits….he isn’t good in the field anymore.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you did?

I did in 07 when he was hurt. Other than that he has played a stellar outfield for us.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where's Ashton Kutcher

I know he is going to come out from around the corner with all the video camera’s and start laughing at me….I know he is here.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it would make all of this less painful, wouldn't it?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, but the opposition gets extra bases when he can't get to what would be a routine catch for a RF'er with decent wheels

i agree that dye’s bat is still something to fear (maybe his arm, too). but his legs? in RF? no fuckin’ way.

if we keep him, it should be because we somehow magically moved PK or JT. he shouldn’t sniff RF as a regular starter for the sox next year.

defense first!

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

do you get extra runs for hitting "in the clutch?"

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no but instead you might win a game :)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

runs count the same no matter when they're scored. without a homer in the first, the "clutch" situation in the 9th may not even exist.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DUUUUUUUDE

just because there is no way of putting a stat on the importance of a hit does not mean it does not exist. There are many things in the universe that are unexplainable. Clutch is one of them.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm scared

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My proof...

Kenwo is clutch.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's old.

He’s put up his best numbers in the 30s with the Sox. He’s getting slower, this is a slow team, and his value probably won’t get any higher. I doubt he will avoid regression much longer.
(Chicago Tribune) “Dye’s value may be at its zenith because he leads all American League outfielders in home runs since 2005 with 137.”

If I were to trade one player from this team, it would be Dye.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

lmfao

and you thinking losing the most home runs since 05’ will benefit this team?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

btw who are you going to trade Dye for?

That will make this team better.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not always just about this team

also about the future.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kenny Williams

has never been about the future… Maybe you should go root for the Marlins, they trade all their talent away and win championships. No team has ever had the success the Marlins have either with this approach.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HUH?

Garcia trade was about the future. I seriously think I am getting punk’d here.

You can’t keep bringing a team back without retooling for the future! Look at the Yankees, even with their insane payroll, the team hasn’t won by just adding free agents. It was their minor league system and the players they brought up in the mid to late 90’s that did. Pettite, Jeter, Rivera, Williams, Posada.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey now, no talking smack on the yankee$ front office

they just made a huge splash on the bullpen market

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I beat you by 12 minutes, TSK.

Pwned.

(I love it when I get to sound 19.)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pssh

poser

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

blast!

that’s what i get for not scrolling all the way down before making jokes

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia was traded because the Sox

DO NOT GIVE OUT LONG TERM CONTRACTS TO PITCHERS. Especially not ones that are declining. He obviously felt Dye was going to be good for 3 more years or Dye would have been gone at the trading deadline of 07’. Fuck am I getting punk’d here? Do you have any idea how our front office works?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

garcia was traded because kw and all of us knew his arm was about to fall off and somehow the phillies did not.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

The sox gave Buehrle 4-years.

Dye’s legs are about to fall off if he keeps playing RF, so KW will be wise to that and trade him in the right deal.

He might be able to use you, WTGD, at the GM meetings in December to come out from underneath the bar after a few of the rival GM’s get snookered on scotch and you can blab on and on about Dye’s “stellar defense”….

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia was traded because the Sox DO NOT GIVE OUT LONG TERM CONTRACTS TO PITCHERS.

linebrink?

Especially not ones that are declining.

check mark

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jenks.

If they trade him that will be the most stupid KDub move ever.How can you compete for a world series title like williams says is always the plan and move bobby.Once he is gone it will be a huge hole to fill.Man,I cannot wait to watch dotel and linebrink close!Because they did such a great job in that limited role last year.

The only way to trade jenks to the mets is for wright or reyes.And we know that won’t happen.

John Danks=Man Crush.

by Swish30 on Nov 13, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

rec'd

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

these guys want to trade the foundation of this team,

while I am pining to get rid of the dead weight.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, the other teams are lining up to get guys whose absence will make the sox a better team.

also, interesting that you used most home runs since ‘05 above. there’s another guy on the team who has hit more home runs than dye over the last three years with a higher overall ops, but you throw him into the dead weight category.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dye can run faster and play outfield.

Trade Konerko then Toonderstroke… I don’t hate Thome. I am just saying if I had bases loaded down by 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 of the world series, I would put my bet down on Konerko and Dye coming through before Thome. JD and PK at least play decent in the field, all Thome does is OPS. I feel a guy that plays the field and bats is worth more to my team than a DH spot that I can fill with Dye anyways. I can also move Dye to first and DH Konerko, maybe Konerko would be a better hitter if he was a DH or played limited 1st.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dye can run faster, play outfield (kinda), and has a less onerous contract

than either konerko or thome. the points you raise are some of the strongest reasons why dye has a lot of value in the market and the other two don’t.

thome has to stay in the al and has no trade protection.
konerko would likely be attractive to a few nl teams who could live with his version of defense, but there you also have the ntc issue + he is owed a LOT of money, and we know from history the sox do not dig picking up guys’ salaries.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know he has the most value on the team...

but is he more valuable on our team trying to win a championship or playing for someone else? No one has answered me yet either, who are we getting in return for Dye?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we're all waiting to see what the real proposals look like. and that's why i can't comment either way and am puzzled as to your blanket rejection of any dye trade.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

#1 Fan. No logic. "Fan".

In the words of Andy Dufresne, “How can you be this obtuse?”

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"All Thome does is OPS"

I’ll take him in that WS at-bat over Konerko and Dye.

And Konerko and Dye have negative value in the field…they should be DHing…

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My whole debate is when he OPSES

It is my OPINION that Thome does most of his damage when games are out of hand either way.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is a horse$h!t statement that begs the "clutch" argument,

which is too exhausting to go back and search.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and the opinion can either be backed up or refuted by a quick visit to baseball-reference.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

was clearly backed...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

//smokes hitter

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For fuck's sake

That is, seriously, one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. The fact that other people have said it doesn’t make it less stupid. If you went with “Thome sucks close and late” you could have pointed to his 3-year .765 OPS in those situations (never minding that it’s only 200 at-bats and he has a .365 OBP in them and gets pitched around a lot).

But no. You had to say that Thome has no impact on a game when it matters, doing damage only when the game is already decided. Which means the guy who has averaged a .950 OPS over the last 3 seasons has brought no value to the team. That’s a great argument.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all of his 111 white sox home runs over the last three years have been hit when the game was out of hand.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nothing is ever "all" or "never"

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but apparently "nothing" or "everything" work?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

don't try to get smarmy with me boy!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok my new statement on Thome

"Thome sucks close and late" and I did point out his stats in “those” situations.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you watch game 163???

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, BSS, I think that's when Jenksy hit 98-99 on the gun...

Maybe you were asleep for that last 1/2 inning.

;)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

he was at the game how would he know?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WU

no homo… we really need to get together with larry and cheat and BS over a box of wine.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't at that game

I was working. But, I do remember Thome hitting a HR late in the game for the win. He isn’t clutch though.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and that was just this season, right?

because he was better late & close than dye last season. and better in high leverage situations than dye in each of the last two.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Toonder we re-signed Dye LAST YEAR!

What kind of precidents does trading Dye set for guys like Q!, when they are up for a contract.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i like the point you're making here WTGTD

what suitors are out there for thome and what would we expect in return

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but i would still argue against you saying that thome has brought no value to the team

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said he brings no value to the team.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well fuck me i misread some shit somewhere...i'm getting old

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

understandable considering people here love putting words into my mouth.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

num num num num num

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

IMO it really doesn't matter what we get in return as long as we clear up that logjam at 1st/dh.

I figure Swish is not going anywhere (but he might), he can’t play the outfield (center or corners) and his natural position is 1b. Well this got my wheels churning and I came up with a scenario where we trade one of our 1b/dh guys. Obviously I DO NOT know what teams Konerko and Thome would waive their NTC’s for but I imagine one of those teams would be the Angels. Heck, if the angels want to swap figgins for swisher I would do that. I just don’t see us trading a guy we just re-signed last year.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

swisher is a WAY better corner outfielder than dye.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WAY?

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pretty close to WAY.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

watch some games...

you can see them better on tv.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Put your glasses on WTGD

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you are so full of shit.

I still don’t know why I reply to your comments. You think this team is going in a different direction than the GM states.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because you like to argue

to answer your question

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

U-god you fucking mosquito!

I need some fucking bug spray!!!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please tell me what the GM stated?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he stated that

he is trying to compete for a championship EVERY year.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i meant watch some games on tv.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WAY?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

(I hope you got the Wayne's World ref.

Not taking issue with your statement in the least.)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Watch out when you get your wheels all churned up, SoB.

You just might get runned off the tracks.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if the angels don't resign teixiera i think trying to set up a trade sending paulie over there

could possibly work

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if we trade Konerko to the Angels

and since JD sucks so terribly bad in RF we could convert him to 1b, put Q! in right and Swish in left. Granted we get Figgins back in a deal with the Angels, we could plug BA into center field and I would be good with that.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we'll see what happens

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Some of us. Others will die first.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

clearly

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no shit!

my brains are oozing out of my forehead from banging my head against the brick wall that is SSS minus WU, furby, shakey, cheat, wiz, and a few others I can’t think of right now or if you have ever agreed with me?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"brains are oozing out of my forehead"

this explains some of your logic today then.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You do you get rid of and how?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you=who

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yoo-hoo!

(?) Sailor!!!

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whoa

lay of the strawberry daquiries sailor!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, how's this:

Sweeter ’n Yoo-Hoo.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your new ride, WU.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you. Quite the improvement for me.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you trade one of the chloesteral brothers

to a team that needs a DH

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NO TRADE CLAUSE!

Yoo-hoo!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not the end all be all.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn’t Easy Heat get the first shot at the job?

Not to mention, plenty of closers on the market, trade Bobby for something you need, then sign Wood, Hoffman, Fuentes, etc.. if you don’t think Thornton can get the job done.

Rockies might flip Street too.

by Grinder in Training on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jenks trade talk

this jenks trading talk is nonsense. If Bobby is traded I will label that as the dumbest move by KW ever.

by LT_sox_fan on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Stand in line with that opinion, though I disagree. Remember last year's trading?

KW gets no ice cut by most of you young ones. And yet, save 2007, we’ve been pretty GD competitive for the bettter part of the 21st century.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I trust KW more than anyone on this board.

Now I am wondering why I am even arguing about this. He is not dumb enough to trade Jenks or Dye.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like you are begging now.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Todd Ritchie Deal wasn't too good.

In my opinion Bobby has peaked and he will begin to slide. Once a closer has problems striking out people and loses velocity on his fastball it is only a matter of time.

If you can get something of value, trade Jenks.

I would think just about anyone on the sox is available. It isn’t like this team is full of young players like the Rays and they just need to add a couple of parts to win it all. This team has some aging players and holes to fill. If you can try and get younger while not totally cutting bait, why not do it??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was just gonna mention the todd ritchie one

the durham trade was no great shakes either

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i saw him touching 99

late late into the season. What makes you believe he has peaked?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

99???? Where, Playstation?

k/ip

2005 1.28
2006 1.15
2007 0.86
2008 0.62

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He ramped it up at year end.

He hit at least 97-98, IIRC. We were blown away by it.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WU, no point getting into this my friend.

Bobby OBVIOUSLY does not watch the games.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your logic amazes me

i have season tickets in section 120 – between 1B and RF. I watch all of the games. I have seen JD butcher RF first hand, almost 80 games a season. I saw BJ close out games last year and he is still a good closer, but my point is that he PEAKED.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs