The Swisher Trade Transcript
by The Cheat on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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PrintKenny Williams: B-Dog, Wassap!
Brian Cashman: K-Dub, good to hear from you. The grapevine says you're shopping that valuable OFer with a below market contract.
KW: Yeah, his name's Swisher, and he sucked this year.
BC: I saw that. Boy did he look bad at the end of the season. You know, 27 year old outfielders with good plate discipline are like Guatemalan produce. You gotta throw 'em away before they really start to stink up the joint.
KW: I know, that's why I was callin'
BC: Maybe I can help you out. What are you looking for?
KW: Well we're looking for some more speed, a true center fielder.
BC: Johnny Damon. We've got him.
KW: Not grindy enough. He should be young, and fast, and not particularly good at baseball.
BC: Brett Gardner, he's fast. Steals some bases.
KW: OK, but I need a 2B or a 3B too. We've got a bunch of inexperienced players there.
BC: I know you're not talking about ARod or Cano. But I suppose I could part with Betemit. He's kinda like Juan Uribe--low OBP, poor plate discipline, plays multiple positions--without the plus defense.
KW: Sounds good.
BC: But that's two major leaguers from me for one of yours. Phil Rogers will tell you that I'm losing out here. Do you have any dynamite reliever types?
KW: Aaron Poreda's pretty good, but I don't think I can trade him. How about Kanekoa Texeira?
BC: Tex is alright, but I can't give up two major leaguers for that package.
KW: OK, drop Gardner. I've got my eye on Willy Taveras anyways. What have you got in your farm system?
BC: Oh, nothing. I've got these boring high-upside guys and boatload of these Super Exciting never-gonna-amount-to-nothing minor league arms. Tell you what. I'll let you pick any two from the boatload. You'll get 3 players while giving up 2. Phil Rogers will love you.
KW: OK. Marquez, he can't strike anyone out. I'll say he has good sink on his pitches, is well suited to play at The Cell. And, how about Nunez, he's been traded a lot, he must be good.
BC: Alright. It's a deal then?
KW: Deal.
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thank god for the patriot act
otherwise this trade would be a mystery
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
chisox.com headline is betemit for swisher. hahahahaha.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
even bill frist can't save me now
though i will say that looking at betemit’s career, he’s a good guy to buy low on. that’s not what this is, of course. but i think he can probably be average at 3B defensively. and he kept ending up on crowded infields. he’s played behind Chipper and A-Rod and isn’t actually a utility infielder from the looks of it. this will be his age 27 season coming up and he hasn’t had more than 400 PAs in a season since 2006. i would like to go back and read some prospect profiles about the guy, but he seems to profile as a classic KW pickup. i just don’t know why we’d give up swish for that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
this continues KW's mysterious fascination with
the Arizona Fall league:
Marquez, 24, was watched closely this fall by Sox scouts in the Arizona Fall League, where he posted a 1-2 record and 4.50 ERA for the Peoria Javalinas. Sox General Manager Kenny Williams watched him pitch Wednesday.
KW must have developed his own ultrasecret regression model that predicts major league success based purely on Arizona Fall League statistics.
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by vanillablue on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
he sounds like Masset redux
in fact, I think I’m going to call him Jeff Magic from now on.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
larry will sue you for copyright infringement faster than you can slam that smirnoff ice.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is Larry representing me now?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
did you make the bold switch to illini059? he's not licensed you know...
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
a license will put him on the 'over 250k' bracket fool
illini is no dummy
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
exactly.
just checking in quick… there’s gotta be a corresponding move, right? ….right? or does KW see something we dont?
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
corresponding move?
will selig give kw a ’i got fleeced ’card so another gm will give him something?
:p
anyway, i don’t know what to think
maybe cashman wanted to have a 1B so teixeira’s price stays low and after he gets tex he’ll give us swish back
I know it sounds kooky, but that the only thing i can come up with
it’s better for my sanity…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
maybe on fantasy island.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
i do like that whenever KW does something incredibly weird
more lurkers fall prey and finally comment.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
does this mean that lots more people
read the shit I post than I thought?
number one when it mattered!
yes. you have an audience of 20 rather than 10.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Look at his tortured toiling in obscurity, phenomenal as it is.
He is from a broken home for sure. Gotta have step-parents.
Whoosh!
Here.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
There certainly is a ton of money coming off the books.......
not as much this year….but after next year (THOME, CONTRERAS, KONERKO, DYE)…I could be forgetting somebody….
I think there is a chance KW might make a run at a big name free agent……though i’m not sure which one………
Ummm...no
There certainly aren’t going to sign a big FA this year. And I’d doubtful about next year as well — Konerko was the last “big name” FA the Sox were real players for, and those circumstances were special.
Furthermore, trading Swish isn’t a good way to save money.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
look for fast low obp types
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
he's more machine than man now.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I really don't think KW is making a "clear some room..." move...
I could actually see him being pleased with this team going forward. That scares me.
what was the 08 number? 107,000,000?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Cheat I usually think youre a scumbag.....
but this is nice work…. and very useful at that. Good job.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Oh come on
I was giving the guy a compliment on his work. I actually saved that as one of my bookmarks.
Kenwo4life=ratings
or a lot more likely.
one of the two.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Will someone give me a full rundown of "Kenny's Guys"
I know the usual suspects, but I want to get as full a list as makes sense.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
hahn, buzard and larry
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=cws
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
ha. i thought he meant players...as in "carlos quentin, not a guy like carlos quentin."
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
swish's second half?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
post asb he ops'ed .725
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
that's where i'd seen it
that’s not exactly actionable intelligence.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
just trying to find that silver lining...
he was really bad away from the cell. really really bad.
Caulk the wagon.
how was alabama?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i can't speak for larry, but last time i saw her she went a little heavy on the body spray.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Also: i haven't heard anything about cash?
kinda surprised they aren’t sending anything our way.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
This trade makes me want to vomit
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
no, dummy, that's withdrawal.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
As I understand it, you've had much experience with this "withdrawal"
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
condoms are expensive.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
so's barebacking
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
you speak with the wisdom of experience.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
tough actin' tinactin is only good for certain kinds of itching and burning
on a related note, i’m not allowed within 100 feet of john madden.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
so it was you who violated the turducken.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
*imaginitively violated
show some respect for my craft, sir.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i hope that's a butt secks joke
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
cant remember
whats the site where they have a list of comparable players to the player you look up… whos betemit compared to?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
not a chance
I’m more comparable to previously mentioned Greg Vaughn of Brewers and Padres fame. Pull hitter with some pop :-)
Kenwo4life=ratings
Baseball-Reference.com
does comparable players. See here.
Betemit’s top comparables by age are Ty Wigginton, Kevin Kouzmanoff, and Max Alvis.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
sounds about right.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Swisher's are Greg Vaughn, Bob Alison and Jose Cruz (presumably the elder).
I would like it noted for the record that Dan Pasqua and Greg Norton also show up in his list of comps.
by The Actual El Guapo on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and #4 on Betemit's list may look familiar to some.
by The Actual El Guapo on Nov 13, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
so that's kenny's plan
we can’t have a drop-off in the pop-up rate out of the 3B position, clearly
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
White Sox 2009
C Ben Davis
1B Travis Lee
2B D’angelo Jimenez
SS Gookie Dawkins
3B Wilson Bay-tah-mee
….i’d finish filling this list with failed prospects from circa 2000, but i’m not sure it would get any funnier.
I honestly am not judging this trade at all right now
Kenny has a way of getting guys who haven’t done anything and then they perform with the Sox. We also have no clue what else he is up to. At this point I give him the benefit of the doubt when he makes moves.
i don't understand the 'what else he is up to' part
he gave $10 and got back $3
you mean he’ll use the $3 and get $12 from someone?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
More like
12 dollars and then $.50 extra for the next two years to help cover the cost of the 12 dollars…analogy kinda breaks down, so we’ll pretend the extra costs in this analogy are due to inflation
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
it's hard to tell
the scouts would be the most reliable projectors here, so you might check Tango’s FSR
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Yikes...
Different blogs think this puts Betemit at 2nd…wtf?
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
maybe kenny is going to pry chavez from billy beane's hands.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
that's 40 games per season.
sample size?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Quick hypothetical
Dye, Konerko or Thome gets hurt next year, who plays in their spot? On second thought, scratch that, I don’t want to jump out of my building tonight
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions
Fields or Betemit
depending on who isn’t at 3rd
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
And who plays right
when Dye gets hurt?
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
im more confused about what we were going to do this offseason than i was yesterday
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
it looks like JD isn't going to get traded now
so there’s that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i think we just found wtgtd's silver lining
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
konerko and owens for loney and kemp.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
owens?
you are forgetting that he’ll be starting in CF next year
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I threw up this morning
Didn’t see it as an omen. Just woke up, rolled into the bathroom and hurled. Felt sick all day. Finally went to class around 3, had my presentation on Toxoplasmosis, killed it. Felt good for the first time all day. Came home to this. Nausea returns.
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
if you decide to go through with the procedure, make sure he pays for it and gives you a ride home.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i actually had toxo in '03. partially blind now as a result.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
they didn't know...i was 19, so the doctors were stunned. tested me for everything under the sun looking for where my immune system failed.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
and yet the allure of the big bucks brought you back to your line of work. ah, capitalism.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
well that blows
fun fact about toxo though, makes rats attracted to cat piss
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
you mean, like a fetish? you mean...i'm NOT alone???
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
i did not know that. does it affect the rats at all?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 13, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
other than that no
the protozoa needs to be in a cat stomach to reproduce. so that’s all they do or else they die out
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
Is it color-blindness, or has your depth perception/distance been affected?
Sounds scary as hell. That is the last of the 5 senses I’d like messed with.
Whoosh!
i already have pretty bad vision - very near-sighted. the parasite attacked my retina, so there is a permanent scar on my retina, creating a blind spot in my left eye, just off the center of my eye. that is how i discovered there was a problem -
i woke up and my vision was messed up.
i’m lucky that it is off-center, first of all. my right eye can mostly compensate for the loss. if it was just a millimeter more centralized, it’d be a huge problem.
some days it is a problem, some days i don’t notice it….
i’m also lucky considering that toxo attacks the lungs and brains too – so i got the lesser severe, in my opinion. could have been a lot worse. amidst all the blood tests they ran, if i had tested positive for HIV, for example, i would have been dead by now – toxo causes brain dementia in people with HIV.
they also thought i had a heart problem, so i had a (very painful) cardiac ultrasound, which led to a Transesophageal Echocardiogram.
everything seemed normal after that.
so they still don’t know how it happened to me at age 19.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 14, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like you have been through a lot.
The not-knowing of the etiology sucks, too. Thank God you are Chicago-Tough, kid.
;)
Whoosh!
true. but like i said - i still consider myself extremely lucky. it's all good. :-)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 14, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
This trade is about
how much Ozzie disliked Swisher. Pure and simple.
No way you can sell so low on him.
Sox in 2009!
It's possible to not like a player and still trade him for more than crap
by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
and one way is to hide the fact that you can't stand said player.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
well, there are more than 2 baseball teams in the majors
i wonder if kw knows that
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I'm pleased for Swisher I really am, he must be over the moon.
he get’s to play for the biggest and most popular team in Baseball. Why can’t you guys be happy for him instead of all this moaning that is going on?
regards
number one when it mattered!
somethings things just don't work out as planned ....
Ryan Sweeney, Gio Gonzalez and Fautino De Los Santos
to get
Nick Swisher
to get
Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez, and Jhonny Nunez
sigh …
I really think KW has always wanted WB and finally got his man.
Just like KGJ. Just like Q. Sometimes persistence is a good thing.
Sometimes you have to let it go.
Whoosh!
maybe i'm just dumb, but where is this
“Ozzie hates Swish” thing coming from?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
that and the "Swish is going to tailslide" groups don't make any sense to me.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
It was all a dream
I used to read Word Up magazine
Salt’n’Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
Hangin’ pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Rap Attack, Mr. Magic, Marley Marl
I let my tape rock ‘til my tape popped
Smokin’ weed and bamboo, sippin’ on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Rappin’ Duke, duh-ha, duh-ha
You never thought that hip hop would take it this far
Now I’m in the limelight ‘cause I rhyme tight
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron G, Brucey B, Kid Capri
Funkmaster Flex, Lovebug Starsky
I’m blowin’ up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It’s all good
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sickels
New York Yankees Top 20 Prospects in Review
by John Sickels on Aug 12, 2008 8:00 AM CDT
14) Jeffrey Marquez, RHP, Grade C+
4.69 ERA with 33/24 K/BB in 81 innings for Scranton, 93 hits allowed. Gets grounders but also has given up 12 homers. Not impressive.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/8/12/591653/new-york-yankees-top-20-pr
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Whee!
Whoever pegged Marquez as Masset mk 2 had it right.
I fully expect this guy to be either the fifth starter or a reliever out of spring training, no matter how poorly he performs in the Cactus League.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Why would I?
The Sox traded a decent outfielder for a handful of crap.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
betemit likes singles.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
If only.
He doesn’t seem to like hitting of any sort.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would much prefer Kevin Kouzmanoff to Betemit.
Both were plausible, and yet one make me cry.
Oh, good news people; he’s worthless against lefties so we might be able to keep Uribe.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
it seems as though he used to. like 3 or 4 years ago.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
He's all tools, no skills.
He’s basically the anti-Swisher.
He’s probably what Alexei Ramirez will be in a year or two.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
could be. i just find it interesting he could hit some as a 23 year old and he seemingly has regressed although in limited playing time (which also begs questions).
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Look at those "K" rates.
Even when he was hitting, he was still striking out a ton. Pitchers figured out that he’ll swing at anything, and that was the end of that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
It's almost as if one took all the bads of Juan Uribe
and the bads of Alexei Ramirez. Naturally, KW couldn’t resist blowing his top prospects investment.
Now I won’t forgive you for losing Gio.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
i don't care about k rates if a guy is getting on.
obp .359 in 274 pa in ’05, then .326 in 412 pa in ’06, .333 in 284 in ’07, .289 in 198 in ’08. bad trends. oh well, maybe coop will fix him.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
QUESTION ?
Was Swisher melting?
Was he going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight and be untradeable?
Was this the deal that Kenny couldn’t pass up and couldn’t wait on?
Did Keny decide against getting just 1 good player to help the team?
I...
just don’t get it. So fucking perplexing. I wouldn’t even trade Texeira for any of these chumps.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
yeah perplexing
why trade texeira too?
wasn’t it enough of a fleece with swish alone kenny?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
read the transcript.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
At least Dye will be in the lineup in 09.
and I was for trading Swisher…but shit i thought we could have gotten more than a worse utility man than Uribe and 2 guys I will be playing against next season in the SouthSide Wooden bat league. Doesn’t make sense to trade him before Texiera signed. Also doesn’t make sense that we included the better pitcher of the 3 in the deal. DAMN YOU WILLIAMS!
Kenwo4life=ratings
So is this trade...
universally panned as an error? Poor timing? Poor choice of players? What is the SSS statement?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Hmm. Rape.
No silver lining?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
i think i also addressed the "silver lining" issue, too
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
he was a soft bastard anyway
remember when he charged the Texas guy and then bottled the fight at the last minute and rugby tackled him instead of going in swinging, fuck him, better off rid.
regards
number one when it mattered!
Imagine if SSH2005 was still on board..
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply actions
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think there is some overreaction here though.
It wasn’t like the guy was good or anything. actually he was pretty fucking bad….. I think more of the reaction should be based on 1- the timing of this trade and 2- the fact that he traded all of those “blue chippers” last year for Swishy
Kenwo4life=ratings
he doesn't have much goodness as far as on field....
he is a pretty good guy off the field though i suppose.
Kenwo4life=ratings
last year was the beginning of the end rather than an outlier?
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think his career has been pretty much a disappointment other than that one year with
35 bombs….low average, not much speed, declining power production
Kenwo4life=ratings
yeah who needs at least 20 homers and 70 rbi's
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, the year before the trade he only had an ops+ of 127. and could play multiple positions well. and was cheap. terrible player.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
don't care about his OPS and his good fun nature
the guy hit 2 fucking 19…. lets get realistic. it isn’t that big of a loss……just a missed opportunity on sending that package of prospects last year for a better player.
Kenwo4life=ratings
wait..
so using batting average is stupid, and kenwo uses batting average. what does that mean?
Cashing checks and having sex.
this is like an sat analogy. :-(
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
also funny how he's missing Uribe's 20 homers but
doesn’t complain his piss poor batting average.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
QED
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
well then don't bitch next year
when he’s tearing the cover off the ball
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
If Dye plays more than 130 games next year, I'll be impressed
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
dye will post a better average
more homers, more RBI than swisher in 130 games than swisher would in 150
Kenwo4life=ratings
and you're not allowed to only use batting average as your point of comparison
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
the only thing swisher will lead dye in
is walks, bad haircuts and the use of the term “dude”
Kenwo4life=ratings
monsignor? is that you?
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
always looking at the big picture
thank you for getting me on track
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention the return for dye would likely be higher. right, kw? right?
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
probably not
with williams at the helm….. last i heard he was being shopped for Bobby Parnell who is probably the same as these two strokes he picked up now
Kenwo4life=ratings
that only makes sense if you consider last year not to be an outlier but indicative of his future play
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
We'll see what the reaction is like next year when
he’s batting in that lineup and the two turd sandwiches are getting lit up in Charlotte.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
swisher was supposed to improve
in our powerful lineup and our small ballpark. he was terrible. what makes you think he will be better next year
Kenwo4life=ratings
regression to mean, don't you teach math?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
what did you think dye was going to do this season after he had a comparatively poor season in 2007?
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
why
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
good track record.
has bounced back before….. contract dispute was causing disruption….
Kenwo4life=ratings
swisher has a track record too
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/swishni01.shtml
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
he has a track record of average.
average batting average, average power, average RBI numbers….. He had one above average year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
two well above average years. his age 25 and 26 years.
and this isn’t a vacuum. nobody would be bitching if the return had been better, especially considering swish’s contract.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
exactly, i think folks are more po'd about the return
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thats what i said.....
the return is not good and the fact he fucked up and gave up the house for him last year is the tragedy…… not the removal of Swisher from the white sox.
Kenwo4life=ratings
notice anything about jermaine dye's stats?
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
Dye has had many above average power years
and has never bottomed out like swisher in a non injury season
Kenwo4life=ratings
unfortunately for you and jermaine, we all know that OBP is far more important than slugging.
let’s see. two players with career OPS+ of 112. one is seven years younger, is in his prime, is under team control for three more years than the other at a ridiculously low price, and achieves that OPS+ via OBP and not SLG. this isn’t even a fucking contest.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
someone's gotta be the veteran black dude with the scar
Nick, unfortunately, would struggle to reach this criteria, IMO. Jermaine has done it consistently throughout the last few years.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
So you are saying that Swisher is better offensively than Dye?
If that is what you think…you are on crack and I can’t argue with you.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Oh damn.
The crack accusation. Forward, concise and generally effective. Mr. larry, your rebuttal plz
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
going forward kenwo, and under team control for multiple years on the cheap
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think we can acquire someone better than swisher when dye is done?
I do.
Kenwo4life=ratings
and that decision would have nothing to do with whether it's a good idea to get rid of swisher.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
no, you just have a mid twentieth century notion of what constitutes value in baseball.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
The only thing of value swisher brought to the table in 08
was the captain morgan pose
Kenwo4life=ratings
that's really nice. i don't really care what he did in 08. i care what he'll do going forward.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
i could stand up there and take 10 pitches in an at bat and walk a lot of times.
as could my dog, my son, yourself and any other jagoff that doesn’t want to swing the bat…. unfortunately this leads to strike outs looking to end games….something that swisher excelled like no other in.
Kenwo4life=ratings
there's a difference.
if you were standing up there, there wouldn’t be 10 pitches. the pitcher could throw 3 and you’d be done. it isn’t as though pitchers weren’t physically capable of throwing strikes to him; they knew they had to nibble or he could cause severe damage.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
wow they must have been nibbling a lot
because other than a couple of times that i can remember he really didn’t do any severe damage.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i guess you're right. the pitchers were physically unable to throw strikes.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
no. neither you nor i nor your son nor your dog nor any other jagoff would be walked a lot of times in major league baseball.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
by larry on Nov 13, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
haha.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Swisher has good plate discipline
but his BB% in ’06/07 may have been helped by being the top threat in an otherwise mediocre offense
you're not particularly familiar with oakland, are you.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
I am familiar with Billy Beane's and SSS love affair with OBP.....
but the thing about OBP….is someone needs to get a damn hit eventually for people to score. Something Oakland has been struggling to do since Frank Thomas in 06
Kenwo4life=ratings
there are so many things wrong with what you write.
which is why i really do believe people should be forced to read and take a quiz testing their understanding of basic baseball research before being permitted to post here.
this shit was funny when it was on reifert’s blog. reading shit in your own living room is completely different.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
I think you and your SSS cronies should take a quiz
if you think Swisher is a better hitter than Dye. I don’t care what all of your goofy ass numbers say…. Dye= Most valuable player candidate Swisher = most valuable bust candidate.
Kenwo4life=ratings
don't hits count in obp? or did i just fail the quiz?
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
now i KNOW we're all being punk'd.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
no thanks. i've stopped dealing with the madness tonight.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
Alright
But it’s debatable whether the PAs taken away by unusually large foul ground in half the games outweighs the times he was pitched around due to where has was in the lineup/who was around him in all the games
i'm not sure it's all that important to debate a 1% difference in walk rate whatever theory one wants to subscribe to.
neither of us is going to be able to disprove or persuade the other about anything using a year’s worth of stats for that small of a difference. i think the likelier conclusion is randomness for the small change. but whatever.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
His fucking career numbers in a pitchers park and the fact that he's hitting peak-performance years in terms of age
Also, the biggest weakness on offense isn’t lack of goddamn speed it’s lack of OBP. Let’s just see what OBP Swisher posts next season compared to whatever Juan Pierre wannabe the Sox run out to CF next season.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
wannabe?
we may be getting the real thing.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 14, 2008 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
As if anyone here needs to be told this in our delicate state but
early reports from the Chicago media is already claiming this as a victory for KW.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:02 PM CST reply actions
i like how now we hear all about how he was uncoachable.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1278265,swisher-traded111308.article
nick swisher, your bus is ready for you to be thrown under.
As if the Sox didn't create that monster
by basically making him their pitchman for the ’08 season.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah no kidding
he was in their ads, he played a character for them. that’s lost on cowley and friends? fuckinaye.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
cowley
He showed signs of life in June, which could have been his downfall. A Sox source told the Sun-Times that because of that brief hot streak, any coaching advice thrown his way fell on deaf ears. By the time he wrapped up July hitting .193 for the month, a frustrated Ozzie Guillen began benching him for the likes of Brian Anderson and Dewayne Wise.
"One of the indicators that you can look at from year-to-year, and this is really the case with Nick, there were a lot of balls he hit right on the nose and they went right at people,’’ Williams explained of Swisher’s season. "What happened is he started to change a little bit of the mechanical aspect and that led to a change in the mental aspect, and he was a bit confused by the end of the year. I expect him to bounce back and the guys in New York will love him.’’
While Williams wouldn’t say that Swisher had worn out his welcome on the South Side, he did find a spot in Guillen’s doghouse for what the manager deemed pouting over his lack of playing time the final month of the season.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1278265,swisher-traded111308.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
So Cowley is for it.
It’s official: It’s the worst trade in the history of all trades ever made ever ever ever.
by The Actual El Guapo on Nov 13, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
He won't be the only one
I’m much more comfortable when people start criticizing KW
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
I am waiting for the inevitable comparisons of Marquez to Floyd.
by The Actual El Guapo on Nov 13, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
already started in some corners
Floyd was a top 5 pick as well as a strikeout pitcher. Marquez is a poor man’s Jon Garland and also one of the last picks of the first round.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
of course cowley's for it
Never one to turn down an interview, Swisher then started turning down media requests
swish probably fucked cowley's wife too
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
your new username
onlysoxfanwhohasntfuckedcowleyswife
by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i know you will take a step back and wait for more info, but what's your general take
on the SSS reaction?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
it's the appropriate one.
i can’t figure this one out. and i had an entire flight to think about it.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
see that doesn't make sense
if he know it was a combo of bad luck and mental block, why not let him attempt to bounce back here??
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
so kenny's either lying his ass off
or they think betemit is going to be above average at 3rd for 3 seasons.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
we'll see soon enough.
but i haven’t heard much effusive praise for betemit. so yeah. probably the former.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Just wait until Greg Walker gets his hands on Wilson B.
Walker will pull a Don Cooper with Matt Thorton. If anyone can turn someone’s swing around, it’s walker.
I just posted the other day that it made no sense to get a crap guy to play in front of Fields…
Fields or Betimet …….. i don’t know coin toss…..
Giving Kanekoa Texeira up for the other bums doesn’t make sense either.
I really thought that a guy like Swisher, Grindy, in his prime, manageable contract, plays multiple positions, switch hits, and has good plate discipline would bring more back.
I just keep telling myself that Q will be healthy… that’s all we need…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
Any rotation with Marquez and Richard is clearly playoff quality
by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
i dunno. i think the international league will be tough next year.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
I'm inclined to think
Egbert somehow got lost in the mix. I think he leads the Knights to glory.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
you're kidding
seriously?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
So now what?
Well, the addition of Marquez – who compares to a Jon Garland-type of pitcher – could open the door for Williams to trade Javier Vazquez, and there’s still a hole atop the Sox’ lineup.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
DONT YOU LISSEN TO THE GENURIL MENAGER?
HE SAD THE SOX ARE GOING TO COMPEET 4 A CHAMPOIN SHIP EVRY YEAR.
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to jump out on a limb and say Kenny is 0 for 2 in his last two trades
makes no sense whatsoever unless they are rebuilding. If Kenny was a liar, then it would make more sense, but he is always incredibly straight forward and never one to beat around the bush. So if they are truly thinking Betemit and Fields are going to compete for third base, then perhaps we’ve given him too much credit because that combo has 63 wins written all over it.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
not a big franky german fan, huh.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
Yeah I kind of meant trades everyone knew about
not about ones that caused SSH’s head to explode for acquiring a 700 lb reliever
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
And the worst part of this trade isn't next season
It’s 2010 when Swisher could have taken over for Dye or Konerko and been a cheap .850 or more OPS. What. The. Fuck.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS TRADE
I JUST DON’T THINK IT IS THE TRAGEDY THAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES……. LETS GET THAT STRAIGHT!
Kenwo4life=ratings
i could do the math on why this is a total tragedy. but it would be lost on you. i'll try to convert it to social studies.
i’m think something like neville handing the sudetenland to hitler is a good place to start. but i’ll refine it.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
appeaser!
"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
"he's an appeaser chris"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Well played. One of the best moments in all of political coverage this year.
by Crede's Crew on Nov 13, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
if we're doing british, i'd say it's more comparable to churchill returning to the gold standard in 1925...
short sighted and stupid
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
woah there, slugger.
i said social studies. not esoteric economic history. stick to shit in the textbook.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
life in the closet, day 10735...
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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