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The Swisher Trade Transcript

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Kenny Williams: B-Dog, Wassap!

Brian Cashman: K-Dub, good to hear from you. The grapevine says you're shopping that valuable OFer with a below market contract.

KW: Yeah, his name's Swisher, and he sucked this year.

BC: I saw that. Boy did he look bad at the end of the season. You know, 27 year old outfielders with good plate discipline are like Guatemalan produce. You gotta throw 'em away before they really start to stink up the joint.

KW: I know, that's why I was callin'

BC: Maybe I can help you out. What are you looking for?

KW: Well we're looking for some more speed, a true center fielder.

BC: Johnny Damon. We've got him.

KW: Not grindy enough. He should be young, and fast, and not particularly good at baseball.

BC: Brett Gardner, he's fast. Steals some bases.

KW: OK, but I need a 2B or a 3B too. We've got a bunch of inexperienced players there.

BC: I know you're not talking about ARod or Cano. But I suppose I could part with Betemit. He's kinda like Juan Uribe--low OBP, poor plate discipline, plays multiple positions--without the plus defense.

KW: Sounds good.

BC: But that's two major leaguers from me for one of yours. Phil Rogers will tell you that I'm losing out here. Do you have any dynamite reliever types?

KW: Aaron Poreda's pretty good, but I don't think I can trade him. How about Kanekoa Texeira?

BC: Tex is alright, but I can't give up two major leaguers for that package.

KW: OK, drop Gardner. I've got my eye on Willy Taveras anyways. What have you got in your farm system?

BC: Oh, nothing. I've got these boring high-upside guys and boatload of these Super Exciting never-gonna-amount-to-nothing minor league arms. Tell you what. I'll let you pick any two from the boatload. You'll get 3 players while giving up 2. Phil Rogers will love you.

KW: OK. Marquez, he can't strike anyone out. I'll say he has good sink on his pitches, is well suited to play at The Cell. And, how about Nunez, he's been traded a lot, he must be good.

BC: Alright. It's a deal then?

KW: Deal.

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thank god for the patriot act

otherwise this trade would be a mystery

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Nov 13, 2008 4:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chisox.com headline is betemit for swisher. hahahahaha.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AUUUGH

AUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH

by baby_jamie on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 4:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even bill frist can't save me now

though i will say that looking at betemit’s career, he’s a good guy to buy low on. that’s not what this is, of course. but i think he can probably be average at 3B defensively. and he kept ending up on crowded infields. he’s played behind Chipper and A-Rod and isn’t actually a utility infielder from the looks of it. this will be his age 27 season coming up and he hasn’t had more than 400 PAs in a season since 2006. i would like to go back and read some prospect profiles about the guy, but he seems to profile as a classic KW pickup. i just don’t know why we’d give up swish for that.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this continues KW's mysterious fascination with

the Arizona Fall league:

Marquez, 24, was watched closely this fall by Sox scouts in the Arizona Fall League, where he posted a 1-2 record and 4.50 ERA for the Peoria Javalinas. Sox General Manager Kenny Williams watched him pitch Wednesday.

KW must have developed his own ultrasecret regression model that predicts major league success based purely on Arizona Fall League statistics.

vanillablue.wordpress.com

by vanillablue on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

he sounds like Masset redux

in fact, I think I’m going to call him Jeff Magic from now on.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

larry will sue you for copyright infringement faster than you can slam that smirnoff ice.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Is Larry representing me now?

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you make the bold switch to illini059? he's not licensed you know...

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a license will put him on the 'over 250k' bracket fool

illini is no dummy

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 5:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly.

just checking in quick… there’s gotta be a corresponding move, right? ….right? or does KW see something we dont?

"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"

by Illini0509 on Nov 13, 2008 5:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

corresponding move?

will selig give kw a ’i got fleeced ’card so another gm will give him something?

:p

anyway, i don’t know what to think
maybe cashman wanted to have a 1B so teixeira’s price stays low and after he gets tex he’ll give us swish back
I know it sounds kooky, but that the only thing i can come up with
it’s better for my sanity…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe on fantasy island.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do like that whenever KW does something incredibly weird

more lurkers fall prey and finally comment.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does this mean that lots more people

read the shit I post than I thought?

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 13, 2008 5:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 6:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There certainly is a ton of money coming off the books.......

not as much this year….but after next year (THOME, CONTRERAS, KONERKO, DYE)…I could be forgetting somebody….

I think there is a chance KW might make a run at a big name free agent……though i’m not sure which one………

by stanchar on Nov 13, 2008 4:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm...no

There certainly aren’t going to sign a big FA this year. And I’d doubtful about next year as well — Konerko was the last “big name” FA the Sox were real players for, and those circumstances were special.

Furthermore, trading Swish isn’t a good way to save money.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look for fast low obp types

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 5:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's more machine than man now.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ty cheat

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what was the 08 number? 107,000,000?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheat I usually think youre a scumbag.....

but this is nice work…. and very useful at that. Good job.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 14, 2008 3:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 14, 2008 6:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh come on

I was giving the guy a compliment on his work. I actually saved that as one of my bookmarks.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 14, 2008 7:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will someone give me a full rundown of "Kenny's Guys"

I know the usual suspects, but I want to get as full a list as makes sense.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahn, buzard and larry

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=cws

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha. i thought he meant players...as in "carlos quentin, not a guy like carlos quentin."

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess who I am

.189 .301 .294 .595

Caulk the wagon.

by rebstock on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

swish's second half?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

post asb he ops'ed .725

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's where i'd seen it

that’s not exactly actionable intelligence.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dj's year in japan??

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also: i haven't heard anything about cash?

kinda surprised they aren’t sending anything our way.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This trade makes me want to vomit

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 13, 2008 4:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, dummy, that's withdrawal.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As I understand it, you've had much experience with this "withdrawal"

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

condoms are expensive.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so's barebacking

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you speak with the wisdom of experience.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tough actin' tinactin is only good for certain kinds of itching and burning

on a related note, i’m not allowed within 100 feet of john madden.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so it was you who violated the turducken.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*imaginitively violated

show some respect for my craft, sir.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hope that's a butt secks joke

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ding ding ding!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 13, 2008 4:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blankie boy!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cant remember

whats the site where they have a list of comparable players to the player you look up… whos betemit compared to?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KenWo?

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 13, 2008 4:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not a chance

I’m more comparable to previously mentioned Greg Vaughn of Brewers and Padres fame. Pull hitter with some pop :-)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball-Reference.com

does comparable players. See here.

Betemit’s top comparables by age are Ty Wigginton, Kevin Kouzmanoff, and Max Alvis.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds about right.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Swisher's are Greg Vaughn, Bob Alison and Jose Cruz (presumably the elder).

I would like it noted for the record that Dan Pasqua and Greg Norton also show up in his list of comps.

by The Actual El Guapo on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so that's kenny's plan

we can’t have a drop-off in the pop-up rate out of the 3B position, clearly

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

White Sox 2009

C Ben Davis
1B Travis Lee
2B D’angelo Jimenez
SS Gookie Dawkins
3B Wilson Bay-tah-mee

….i’d finish filling this list with failed prospects from circa 2000, but i’m not sure it would get any funnier.

by baby_jamie on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I honestly am not judging this trade at all right now

Kenny has a way of getting guys who haven’t done anything and then they perform with the Sox. We also have no clue what else he is up to. At this point I give him the benefit of the doubt when he makes moves.

by BoxingHideout on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't understand the 'what else he is up to' part

he gave $10 and got back $3

you mean he’ll use the $3 and get $12 from someone?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More like

12 dollars and then $.50 extra for the next two years to help cover the cost of the 12 dollars…analogy kinda breaks down, so we’ll pretend the extra costs in this analogy are due to inflation

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Nov 13, 2008 6:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's hard to tell

the scouts would be the most reliable projectors here, so you might check Tango’s FSR

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yikes...

Different blogs think this puts Betemit at 2nd…wtf?

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe kenny is going to pry chavez from billy beane's hands.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's 40 games per season.

sample size?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick hypothetical

Dye, Konerko or Thome gets hurt next year, who plays in their spot? On second thought, scratch that, I don’t want to jump out of my building tonight

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fields or Betemit

depending on who isn’t at 3rd

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see above

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it looks like JD isn't going to get traded now

so there’s that.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 5:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

konerko and owens for loney and kemp.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why would we do that?

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

owens?

you are forgetting that he’ll be starting in CF next year

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I threw up this morning

Didn’t see it as an omen. Just woke up, rolled into the bathroom and hurled. Felt sick all day. Finally went to class around 3, had my presentation on Toxoplasmosis, killed it. Felt good for the first time all day. Came home to this. Nausea returns.

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dang

get it the food poisoning way or the cat?

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 8:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well that blows

fun fact about toxo though, makes rats attracted to cat piss

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

other than that no

the protozoa needs to be in a cat stomach to reproduce. so that’s all they do or else they die out

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it color-blindness, or has your depth perception/distance been affected?

Sounds scary as hell. That is the last of the 5 senses I’d like messed with.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 14, 2008 6:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i already have pretty bad vision - very near-sighted. the parasite attacked my retina, so there is a permanent scar on my retina, creating a blind spot in my left eye, just off the center of my eye. that is how i discovered there was a problem -

i woke up and my vision was messed up.

i’m lucky that it is off-center, first of all. my right eye can mostly compensate for the loss. if it was just a millimeter more centralized, it’d be a huge problem.
some days it is a problem, some days i don’t notice it….

i’m also lucky considering that toxo attacks the lungs and brains too – so i got the lesser severe, in my opinion. could have been a lot worse. amidst all the blood tests they ran, if i had tested positive for HIV, for example, i would have been dead by now – toxo causes brain dementia in people with HIV.

they also thought i had a heart problem, so i had a (very painful) cardiac ultrasound, which led to a Transesophageal Echocardiogram.
everything seemed normal after that.

so they still don’t know how it happened to me at age 19.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 14, 2008 8:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like you have been through a lot.

The not-knowing of the etiology sucks, too. Thank God you are Chicago-Tough, kid.

;)

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 14, 2008 8:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This trade is about

how much Ozzie disliked Swisher. Pure and simple.

No way you can sell so low on him.

Sox in 2009!

by ballyb on Nov 13, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, there are more than 2 baseball teams in the majors

i wonder if kw knows that

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for the lolz

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pleased for Swisher I really am, he must be over the moon.

he get’s to play for the biggest and most popular team in Baseball. Why can’t you guys be happy for him instead of all this moaning that is going on?

regards

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 13, 2008 5:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

somethings things just don't work out as planned ....

Ryan Sweeney, Gio Gonzalez and Fautino De Los Santos

to get

Nick Swisher

to get

Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez, and Jhonny Nunez

sigh …

by LT_sox_fan on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really think KW has always wanted WB and finally got his man.

Just like KGJ. Just like Q. Sometimes persistence is a good thing.

Sometimes you have to let it go.

Whoosh!

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe i'm just dumb, but where is this

“Ozzie hates Swish” thing coming from?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that and the "Swish is going to tailslide" groups don't make any sense to me.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was all a dream
I used to read Word Up magazine
Salt’n’Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
Hangin’ pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Rap Attack, Mr. Magic, Marley Marl
I let my tape rock ‘til my tape popped
Smokin’ weed and bamboo, sippin’ on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Rappin’ Duke, duh-ha, duh-ha
You never thought that hip hop would take it this far
Now I’m in the limelight ‘cause I rhyme tight
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron G, Brucey B, Kid Capri
Funkmaster Flex, Lovebug Starsky
I’m blowin’ up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It’s all good

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

sickels
New York Yankees Top 20 Prospects in Review

by John Sickels on Aug 12, 2008 8:00 AM CDT

14) Jeffrey Marquez, RHP, Grade C+
        4.69 ERA with 33/24 K/BB in 81 innings for Scranton, 93 hits allowed. Gets grounders but also has given up 12 homers. Not impressive.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/8/12/591653/new-york-yankees-top-20-pr

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whee!

Whoever pegged Marquez as Masset mk 2 had it right.

I fully expect this guy to be either the fifth starter or a reliever out of spring training, no matter how poorly he performs in the Cactus League.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why would I?

The Sox traded a decent outfielder for a handful of crap.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

betemit likes singles.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only.

He doesn’t seem to like hitting of any sort.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would much prefer Kevin Kouzmanoff to Betemit.

Both were plausible, and yet one make me cry.

Oh, good news people; he’s worthless against lefties so we might be able to keep Uribe.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 6:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it seems as though he used to. like 3 or 4 years ago.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's all tools, no skills.

He’s basically the anti-Swisher.

He’s probably what Alexei Ramirez will be in a year or two.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at those "K" rates.

Even when he was hitting, he was still striking out a ton. Pitchers figured out that he’ll swing at anything, and that was the end of that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 13, 2008 6:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's almost as if one took all the bads of Juan Uribe

and the bads of Alexei Ramirez. Naturally, KW couldn’t resist blowing his top prospects investment.

Now I won’t forgive you for losing Gio.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 6:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't care about k rates if a guy is getting on.

obp .359 in 274 pa in ’05, then .326 in 412 pa in ’06, .333 in 284 in ’07, .289 in 198 in ’08. bad trends. oh well, maybe coop will fix him.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're welcome.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 6:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QUESTION ?

Was Swisher melting?

Was he going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight and be untradeable?

Was this the deal that Kenny couldn’t pass up and couldn’t wait on?

Did Keny decide against getting just 1 good player to help the team?

by NLaloosh on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I...

just don’t get it. So fucking perplexing. I wouldn’t even trade Texeira for any of these chumps.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah perplexing

why trade texeira too?

wasn’t it enough of a fleece with swish alone kenny?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read the transcript.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least Dye will be in the lineup in 09.

and I was for trading Swisher…but shit i thought we could have gotten more than a worse utility man than Uribe and 2 guys I will be playing against next season in the SouthSide Wooden bat league. Doesn’t make sense to trade him before Texiera signed. Also doesn’t make sense that we included the better pitcher of the 3 in the deal. DAMN YOU WILLIAMS!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 6:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So is this trade...

universally panned as an error? Poor timing? Poor choice of players? What is the SSS statement?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm. Rape.

No silver lining?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 7:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think i also addressed the "silver lining" issue, too

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was a soft bastard anyway

remember when he charged the Texas guy and then bottled the fight at the last minute and rugby tackled him instead of going in swinging, fuck him, better off rid.

regards

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 13, 2008 6:50 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't really need to

just talk to WTGTD

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 6:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 6:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

tried doin so a while ago

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 13, 2008 7:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there is some overreaction here though.

It wasn’t like the guy was good or anything. actually he was pretty fucking bad….. I think more of the reaction should be based on 1- the timing of this trade and 2- the fact that he traded all of those “blue chippers” last year for Swishy

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he doesn't have much goodness as far as on field....

he is a pretty good guy off the field though i suppose.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last year was the beginning of the end rather than an outlier?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think his career has been pretty much a disappointment other than that one year with

35 bombs….low average, not much speed, declining power production

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't care about his OPS and his good fun nature

the guy hit 2 fucking 19…. lets get realistic. it isn’t that big of a loss……just a missed opportunity on sending that package of prospects last year for a better player.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait..

so using batting average is stupid, and kenwo uses batting average. what does that mean?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is like an sat analogy. :-(

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QED

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 7:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well then don't bitch next year

when he’s tearing the cover off the ball

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I won't because Dye

will have a better year than he will

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

monsignor? is that you?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's nice.

i’ll be that swisher has a better three years than dye. which is what matters.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not to mention the return for dye would likely be higher. right, kw? right?

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably not

with williams at the helm….. last i heard he was being shopped for Bobby Parnell who is probably the same as these two strokes he picked up now

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that only makes sense if you consider last year not to be an outlier but indicative of his future play

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see what the reaction is like next year when

he’s batting in that lineup and the two turd sandwiches are getting lit up in Charlotte.

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

swisher was supposed to improve

in our powerful lineup and our small ballpark. he was terrible. what makes you think he will be better next year

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no i teach history

and history suggests swisher is highly overrated.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what did you think dye was going to do this season after he had a comparatively poor season in 2007?

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good track record.

has bounced back before….. contract dispute was causing disruption….

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

swisher has a track record too

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/swishni01.shtml

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 7:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has a track record of average.

average batting average, average power, average RBI numbers….. He had one above average year.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two well above average years. his age 25 and 26 years.

and this isn’t a vacuum. nobody would be bitching if the return had been better, especially considering swish’s contract.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 7:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats what i said.....

the return is not good and the fact he fucked up and gave up the house for him last year is the tragedy…… not the removal of Swisher from the white sox.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

notice anything about jermaine dye's stats?

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dye has had many above average power years

and has never bottomed out like swisher in a non injury season

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unfortunately for you and jermaine, we all know that OBP is far more important than slugging.

let’s see. two players with career OPS+ of 112. one is seven years younger, is in his prime, is under team control for three more years than the other at a ridiculously low price, and achieves that OPS+ via OBP and not SLG. this isn’t even a fucking contest.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

someone's gotta be the veteran black dude with the scar

Nick, unfortunately, would struggle to reach this criteria, IMO. Jermaine has done it consistently throughout the last few years.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 7:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you are saying that Swisher is better offensively than Dye?

If that is what you think…you are on crack and I can’t argue with you.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh damn.

The crack accusation. Forward, concise and generally effective. Mr. larry, your rebuttal plz

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, you just have a mid twentieth century notion of what constitutes value in baseball.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's really nice. i don't really care what he did in 08. i care what he'll do going forward.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 7:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i could stand up there and take 10 pitches in an at bat and walk a lot of times.

as could my dog, my son, yourself and any other jagoff that doesn’t want to swing the bat…. unfortunately this leads to strike outs looking to end games….something that swisher excelled like no other in.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there's a difference.

if you were standing up there, there wouldn’t be 10 pitches. the pitcher could throw 3 and you’d be done. it isn’t as though pitchers weren’t physically capable of throwing strikes to him; they knew they had to nibble or he could cause severe damage.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow they must have been nibbling a lot

because other than a couple of times that i can remember he really didn’t do any severe damage.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 8:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess you're right. the pitchers were physically unable to throw strikes.

"too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 13, 2008 8:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no. neither you nor i nor your son nor your dog nor any other jagoff would be walked a lot of times in major league baseball.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 8:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

haha.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and maybe the worm

but thats debatable.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 7:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Swisher has good plate discipline

but his BB% in ’06/07 may have been helped by being the top threat in an otherwise mediocre offense

by 3E8 on Nov 13, 2008 8:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're not particularly familiar with oakland, are you.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 8:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am familiar with Billy Beane's and SSS love affair with OBP.....

but the thing about OBP….is someone needs to get a damn hit eventually for people to score. Something Oakland has been struggling to do since Frank Thomas in 06

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 8:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are so many things wrong with what you write.

which is why i really do believe people should be forced to read and take a quiz testing their understanding of basic baseball research before being permitted to post here.

this shit was funny when it was on reifert’s blog. reading shit in your own living room is completely different.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 8:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh go be a fan of the A's

you sabermetrics whore you

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you and your SSS cronies should take a quiz

if you think Swisher is a better hitter than Dye. I don’t care what all of your goofy ass numbers say…. Dye= Most valuable player candidate Swisher = most valuable bust candidate.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2008 8:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no thanks. i've stopped dealing with the madness tonight.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 13, 2008 8:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright

But it’s debatable whether the PAs taken away by unusually large foul ground in half the games outweighs the times he was pitched around due to where has was in the lineup/who was around him in all the games

by 3E8 on Nov 13, 2008 8:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not sure it's all that important to debate a 1% difference in walk rate whatever theory one wants to subscribe to.

neither of us is going to be able to disprove or persuade the other about anything using a year’s worth of stats for that small of a difference. i think the likelier conclusion is randomness for the small change. but whatever.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 14, 2008 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Nov 13, 2008 7:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His fucking career numbers in a pitchers park and the fact that he's hitting peak-performance years in terms of age

Also, the biggest weakness on offense isn’t lack of goddamn speed it’s lack of OBP. Let’s just see what OBP Swisher posts next season compared to whatever Juan Pierre wannabe the Sox run out to CF next season.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wannabe?

we may be getting the real thing.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 14, 2008 7:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As if anyone here needs to be told this in our delicate state but

early reports from the Chicago media is already claiming this as a victory for KW.

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As if the Sox didn't create that monster

by basically making him their pitchman for the ’08 season.

by El Duque's Raft on Nov 13, 2008 7:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah no kidding

he was in their ads, he played a character for them. that’s lost on cowley and friends? fuckinaye.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 13, 2008 7:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cowley
He showed signs of life in June, which could have been his downfall. A Sox source told the Sun-Times that because of that brief hot streak, any coaching advice thrown his way fell on deaf ears. By the time he wrapped up July hitting .193 for the month, a frustrated Ozzie Guillen began benching him for the likes of Brian Anderson and Dewayne Wise.

"One of the indicators that you can look at from year-to-year, and this is really the case with Nick, there were a lot of balls he hit right on the nose and they went right at people,’’ Williams explained of Swisher’s season. "What happened is he started to change a little bit of the mechanical aspect and that led to a change in the mental aspect, and he was a bit confused by the end of the year. I expect him to bounce back and the guys in New York will love him.’’

While Williams wouldn’t say that Swisher had worn out his welcome on the South Side, he did find a spot in Guillen’s doghouse for what the manager deemed pouting over his lack of playing time the final month of the season.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1278265,swisher-traded111308.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 13, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply reply