White Sox Acquire Javelinas, Rafters
SURPRISE, AZ -- In an unprecedented move, the Chicago White Sox acquired one-third of the Arizona Fall League Saturday.
The Arizona Fall League has been called a finishing school for top prospects. Every year since taking over as White Sox GM, Kenny Williams has made it a point to personally scout the league for his latest trade targets. But this year, while watching a nail-biting 23-18 affair between the Saguaros and Desert Dogs, Williams was struck by a lightning bolt of inspiration.
What if he acquired the entire Arizona Fall League?
"I'm always amazed by the level of play here in Arizona," said Williams, "and am always looking for a way to infuse that type of high-energy talent into our system."
Could it be done? Would it be legal?
The answer was yes, almost. With their acquisition of two of the six AFL teams, the Peoria Javelinas and Surprise Rafters, the White Sox are the proud owners of 70 new prospects who will never amount to anything.
In exchange for their sizable prospect haul the Sox have agreed to send their entire starting lineup to Arizona each fall, as well as a yearly "rights fee" paid to each of the major league clubs.
"It's a good deal for us," said Williams as he scrolled through messages on his Blackberry. "We get younger, and have established a pipeline of young talent for years to come.
"In the long run, it will save on travel and administrative costs as well. We think it's a win-win."
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today, i consider myself the luckiest sox fan...on the face of the earth
i can’t wait to see what these guys can do…i never liked our lineup anyways
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Nov 15, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
nice!
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
seems the z dude is no bavasi
The Mariners are adding a statistics department:
The department will fall under the auspices of Tony Blengino, a longtime baseball stats analyst and a special assistant to new Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik. Details of the department’s mandate and size are still to be worked out, but the move could vault the Mariners from their perceived Stone Age approach to stats to one in which they’re seen as one of the game’s more progressive franchises.
“We want to take all the information at our disposal and combine it with our scouting,” Blengino said Friday.Good for them. They’ve used Matt Olkin as a consultant, and it’s not clear if that relationship will continue. If you’re looking for a job in this area, it’s a good time to send your resume to the Mariners!
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/030167.php
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
arsonist
MacDougal out: The White Sox on Friday outrighted disappointing relief pitcher Mike MacDougal to Class AAA Charlotte.
If MacDougal declines the assignment, he forfeits his $2.65 million salary for 2009. The Sox also hold a $3.75 million option on MacDougal for 2010, which includes a 350,000 buyout.
If general manager Kenny Williams can find a team willing to pick up MacDougal’s salary this winter, MacDougal is likely to be traded.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=250913
so it doesn’t seem likely that he’ll refuse his assignment and become a FA, yes?
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
unlikely.
But I’ve never heard of that rule before.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 15, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll also be rule 5 draft eligible.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 15, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if a team picks him at the rule 5
will he be cheaper for that team?
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. They pay league min, if I'm right.
""Bobby Crosby’s Release" - Sounds like a good title to Mr. Crosby’s first work in his next career now that we know he can’t play baseball." - Joey C.
by Blicks on Nov 15, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if thats the case there shouldnt be any reason to be in the org next year.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 15, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* sheds a tear of joy
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 15, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
in light of the depressing developments in my sport world among other things, was hoping to watch an upbeat-y film, but realized my collection is pretty sparse in that department, any recs?
"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"
by Illini0509 on Nov 15, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you ever seen Eraserhead? that will cheer you up no end.
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 15, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw Shoot’em Up for the first time. Simple, lack of plot, and.. really any reality, but fun.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Monica Belluci is in it
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 15, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Undercover Brother starring Eddie Griffin
I liked it when I was 14.
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 15, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Phil Rogers keeping score?
Griffey, gone. Swisher, gone. Joe Crede, gone. Juan Uribe, probably gone. Orlando Cabrera, probably gone. Javier Vazquez, could be gone. Toby Hall, gone.
From Mike Downey’s Sat. Trib article.
Sox in 2009!
by ballyb on Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
terrible article
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really was a shitload of fuck
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on Nov 15, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit... i forgot about this.
since we have let go of so many players… phil rogers is going to kill us in his offseason + – evaluation.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 15, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pagoda, where's my javelina?!?

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 15, 2008 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
is that fred miller from CTL on the left?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 15, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* fred mitchell
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 15, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a great movie.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watching UFC tonight? I'm not a big fan
but i am pretty interested in this match up. Brock is going to kill this guy.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 15, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not sure about kill...
randy is no slouch. Its going to be fun though!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 15, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose he didn't all out kill him
close enough though
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 2:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
orca to lad?
They need a second baseman, shortstop and third baseman, although the Dodgers expect Blake DeWitt could fill second or third. They would like to bring back Rafael Furcal, although they appear more likely to sign Orlando Cabrera to a short-term deal.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-shaikin14-2008nov14,0,1168314.story?page=2
I see the dodgers pick (#17) isn’t protected
so if kenny offers him arb we get #17 and #23 (24 instead of 23 if seattle doesn’t sign fields)
offer it kenny!
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There also were reports the Dodgers were interested in former Angels shortstop Orlando Cabrera, a two-time Gold Glove winner who spent last season with the Chicago White Sox.
“Furcal is our first choice,” Colletti said. “But if not, we’re open-minded.”
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10990909
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK I must admit my NBA watching has gone down a lot in recent years....
but I put on the game today to find Larry Hughes wearing a full under armer shirt under his jersey. I think he looks like a complete fucking moron…..let alone missing every shot he heaves up.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 15, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's the worst basketball player to ever play ever
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by hoodlight on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 15, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dalibor bagaric
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Nov 15, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wears that
because he just had a dislocated shoulder. They won’t let just anyone wear that. He’s a terrible, terrible shooter but he plays good D.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Nov 15, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
derrick rose has been a pleasure to watch so far though
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by The Wizard on Nov 16, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Bobby Jenks a better option for Mets"
Bobby Jenks doesn’t carry the albatross of a long-term contract around his neck and he’s coming off a strong 2008 season. So when you’re looking at the White Sox through the prism of our New York teams, don’t make too many connections between Jenks and new Yankees first baseman Nick Swisher.
But people in the loop say Omar Minaya is wary of investing a huge contract in free agent Francisco Rodriguez and is intrigued by the idea of trading young talent to Chicago for Jenks. An official from an American League club — not the Angels or White Sox — opines that the Mets would be better off giving up high-level prospects for Jenks than throwing big dollars at K-Rod.
Jenks’ strikeout numbers have gone down the last couple of years, from 80 in 692/3 innings in 2006 to 56 in 65 innings in 2007 to 38 in 612/3 innings in 2008. But the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said those numbers actually reflected a change for the better in Jenks. …
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spken1116,0,292784.column
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
robothal
Rival clubs believe the White Sox would trade closer Bobby Jenks, but the glut of free-agent closers — combined with concerns over Jenks’ weight, makeup, rising salaries and declining strikeout rates — will reduce the demand. Jenks was 30-for-34 in save opportunities with a career-best 2.63 ERA last season, but his strikeouts per nine innings have declined from 10.34 to 7.75 to 5.55 in his three full major-league seasons.
http://foxsports.com/mlb/story/8797906/
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was in favor of trading him...but I think wouldn't like it now
I think it’s true that the market will be down with all the FAs and Jenks K’s will scare people. Plus, I’d be worried that Jenks and Egbert would get traded to the Mets for Parnell or Kunz or some other sucky package. I know I should expect better from Williams, but the Swisher trade makes me edgy.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 15, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Jenks didn't fucking suck last year.
Notice how Jenks was known as a piece of shit with the Angels, and yet we don’t hear a word of it from the media nowadays. I don’t recall ever hearing a god damn thing negative about Swish until recently. That’s besides the point, though. The point is… Jenks didn’t fucking SUCK last year. In fact, I’d say he’s pretty good. However, this is not a time to trade him. If the club goes ‘07 on us next year, then maybe, but now is not the time. I’d like to say that we can afford to lose him, but I for one am not in that deep of denial. Yet.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the wrong time to trade Jenks IMO.
Way too many other closers on the market.
Mets aren’t going to offer the goods (if they even have them) for Jenks when they can go get someone on the FA market.
""Bobby Crosby’s Release" - Sounds like a good title to Mr. Crosby’s first work in his next career now that we know he can’t play baseball." - Joey C.
by Blicks on Nov 16, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly... the free agent market is unusually strong this year pitching-wise
which is partially due to the market crash, I suppose. The Padres ditching Hoffman is pretty disgusting, regardless of financial pitfalls.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Obama makes a play for college football playoff"
It’s not exactly at the top of his agenda, but President-elect Barack Obama says there should be a college football playoff to determine a national champion. In fact, he knows exactly what he wants – an eight-team playoff.
In an interview with “60 Minutes,” Obama addresses a subject college football fans have debated for many years, and says he will use his influence to create such a system.
“If you’ve got a bunch of teams who play throughout the season, and many of them have one loss or two losses, there’s no clear decisive winner. We should be creating a playoff system,” he tells CBS’ Steve Kroft in an interview to be broadcast Sunday.
According to Obama’s proposed system, eight teams would play over three rounds to settle the national champion.
“It would add three extra weeks to the season,” he said at the conclusion of a wide-ranging interview. “You could trim back on the regular season. I don’t know any serious fan of college football who has disagreed with me on this. So, I’m going to throw my weight around a little bit. I think it’s the right thing to do.”
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cfootball/2060ap_fbc_obama_football_playoff.html
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
US to name baseball star as public diplomacy envoy
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to name major league baseball all-star Ken Griffey Jr as a new public diplomacy envoy, the State Department said Friday.
Griffey will join baseball legend Cal Ripken Jr, US figure-skating superstar Michelle Kwan and actress Fran Drescher as envoys who help polish Washington’s image abroad.
The State Department issued a brief statement saying Griffey would be formally named to the role on Tuesday. Rice and Griffey will both speak at the ceremony at the State Department.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ixkez1ezJhhbRNch3jIeGR9JUFxg
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait wait wait..... Fran Drescher is a US envoy?
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I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're fucked
Betemit hasn’t lived up to his billing since becoming a prospect in Atlanta’s organization at 16, but Williams believes he could blossom thanks to his adjustment to prescription goggles.
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by The Wizard on Nov 15, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Running joke for next year

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 15, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow you got on that quick.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 15, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking more like this

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 16, 2008 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabo was absolutely pathetic in his short stint with the sox in 95.
He is in the team picture as one of my all time least favorite sox players. Right there with Phil Bradley, Cory Snyder, Rob Mackowiak and Bill Long.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea why people talk shit about rob mackowiak's tenure with the white sox.
he didn’t write himself into the lineup in centerfield. nothing wrong with his hitting, either, as a 4th outfielder.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what im saying.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand he didn't write himself in the lineup
but my god….he was fucking awful in center field. I have NEVER seen a worse outfielder than that display he put on. People talk bad about George Bell, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Carlos Lee……. They didn’t cost their teams anywhere near the amount of games that CANCER cost the Sox. To think they traded a good lefty in Marte for him. What a shame.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, what if you put bell, belle, ramirez or lee in center?
because that’s what happens when you put a corner outfielder in center.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He sucked
get off of his nuts
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're a fucking simpleton.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat really needs to ban some people.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if so, he should probably start with the guy who called him a scumbag. wait...same dude.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be next on the list.
Too lardy.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded,
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.... I'm wrong!
I now realize what a great asset Mackowiak was to the team. Just a wonderful ball player that couldn’t make it on the Nationals, Padres or White Sox. I don’t understand the love sox fans give this douche. Is it because he is from Oak Lawn? Or is it because you enjoyed watching his ass as he ran back to the wall after another misplayed fly ball
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His offense was a good asset
above average OBP, some power and speed and good contact skills. He would have been good playing only LF but Ozzie in all his glory put him in CF.
I guess there really isnt any point in trying to reason with you, its like speaking to a wall.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Mackowiak was wonderful
after his spectacular run on the sox he only mustered up 109 more at bats in his lackluster career.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about his performances elsewhere?
Im just talking about his offense when he was with the Sox. What the fuck is your problem, did he rape your dog or something?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well have
his poor play, coupled with Williams inability to trade for a marginal center fielder, cost the sox the post season in 2006.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right not having a marginal CF cost the sox the 2006 post season.
The pitching staff had nothing to do with it. I guess as long as we have Carlos Beltran or Grady Sizemore it wont mater if everyone on our starting staff and bullpen have ERAs in the high 4s.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had the equivalent of an aging Kenny Lofton that year
we win the central. He hit a lot better than Anderson and could field a lot better than Mackowiak. He could have been had for next to nothing I am sure.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PITCHING!
The Sox rank 10th in 2006 in ERA while the Twins ranked 2nd.
Sox = Scored 868 runs, Allowed 794 runs.
Twins = Scored 801 runs, Allowed 683 runs.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pitching would have been better
if they had a center fielder who could play at 13 year old little league all star level of play. something mackowiak couldn’t accomplish.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we can't all be you
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 16, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats for sure
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sports hernia for a guy on the wrong side of 30 will do that.
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by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
too bad he didn't get a sports hernia
2 seasons earlier. We wouldn’t have had to witness his terribleness.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, what a douche.
and yes, it was because i liked watching his ass. i’m gay!
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 16, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"a good lefty in Marte for him"
now that’s comedy
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by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose you are a fan of Boone Logan and Neal Cotts
who couldn’t carry Damaso’s jock
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is all silly, but cotts was much better in '05 than marte ever was.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
I would take Marte circa 2003 before Cotts circa 2005. plus marte has had many good seasons in his career and isn’t a one hit wonder like Cotts.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but i forget that most of you
probably weren’t a fan of the Sox pre-2005. I will take that into account next time.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i think it's funny how you're commenting on liking certain players or not.
i’m a white sox fan. i like guys on the white sox and don’t like guys not on the white sox.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why you and your cronies talked smack about Ken Griffey Jr for 3 months
when he did a 500X better job in center than Mackowiak did.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
something tells me you aren't going to be around much longer
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would that be... I am not making personal attacks on members of the chat
like multiple people have made on me in this thread alone.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course I am a man and can take criticism
unlike some of our internet tough colleagues that get offended so easily and call for me to be banned.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
offended?
no one’s offended. we’re annoyed. and from what i’ve seen (2+ years now) the only thing that gets you banned is annoying the shit out of literally everyone that participates here. hence my prediction.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
annoyed?
i just stated a list of my least favorite white sox and everyone had a heart attack that i would dare put rob mackowiak on there…. plus all of you people were the ones to put my name out there before i even knew this site existed. blame yourselves!
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larry. all larry.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to spew all this critical bullshit about a legitimately cool dude who contributed to the team
write a book about it. Publish it. That way noone will ever have to read it, and you won’t look like a jackass.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol....i dont care if he's a cool dude
if he cant catch a fly ball
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What did Peter Noone do to deserve that punishment?
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by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mrs. Jones You've Got a Lovely Daughter?
Pure crap. DFA Noone.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mmm
cognitive dissonance.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read everything KenWo writes
as Carl from ATHF in my head
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Nov 16, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
and now my world has changed for the better
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to look that up
because grown men don’t watch cartoons……. losers.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl: Did you see a woman in a bikini with a six-pack of beer and a surfboard come in here?
Frylock: Was it made of cardboard, used to be up at the liquor store?
Carl: Uhh… no.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But they watch wrestling?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 17, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're damn right they watch wrestling
nWo 4 LiFe!!!!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl: Oh, I got some magazines for ya all right. They’re filled with hollow points!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did somebody have a bad day?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No they talk about how much Rob Macowiak sucks
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by hoodlight on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 17, 2008 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or how awesome they were in little league
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was fabulous
got the rings to prove it :-D
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is absolutely terrible.
Juan Uribe, Ken Griffey Jr and all of SSS least favorite sons were all better than he was.
Hell I will go out on a limb and say Jeff Marquez will do more than Mackowiak. All he needs to do is keep the gatorade jug filled up to accomplish that.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If i was a cartoon....
I probably could take over for Hank Hill. He was a big fan of Kurt Bevacqua… I liked Ivan Calderon…. he liked Roger the Dodger… i am a fan of Randall Cunningham. Both like beer….
But since I prefer actual people to cartoons….. Al Bundy would have to be the guy. Only he was a cubs fan and i am a sox fan.
NO MA’AM!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anything better then the Carl is Pissed short clips online?
by Grinder in Training on Nov 17, 2008 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not taking sides,
I hardly ever agree with KenWo4LiFe, but it seemed like he was stating opinion and people jumped on him.
I very much enjoy reading posts from all the different people here. Getting many angles and opinions helps me to think and formulate my opinion. Or when someone attacks my post, i try to take the time to find statistic to back myself up. Sometimes I find that i had no basis for my post, other times that i was spot on.
I guess my overall feeling is that i don’t want to hear anything about KenWo4LiFe getting banned. I don’t always agree with him, but enjoy the comedy of some of his post and the fact that he makes me think about things, whether i agree with them or not……
Sometimes you need someone to stir up the pot……
and sometimes it’s okay to dislike players for reasons that were beyond that players control
I wasn’t a big fan of Rob Mack either.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
good point
isn’t different opinions what it is all about? most of the people on here are like Hawk and DJ or Boers and Bernstien…. they never have a different opinion about anything.
Or if i could equate you all to a cartoon……. It would be like Beavis and Butthead. Butthead will come up with an idea and then 15 Beavis’ will be like “HAHA YA THATS COOL”
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and sometimes it’s okay to dislike players for reasons that were beyond that players control
if by “okay” you mean “stupid”, sure.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey look
its the number one Butthead himself. Now everyone else reply and laugh with Larry and his lame commentary like usual!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet you don't need a belt to know how to rock
don’t worry, you’re cold as ice.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet his favorite song is
more than a feeling
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this one's called "i wanna rock your body"
and then in parentheses “till the break of dawn”
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 17, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with larry ripping me...
It’s pretty much accepted. I enjoy the statistical analysis of baseball. I try keeping up on it as much as I can, but I also feel that there are other factors involved when rating a player. Things that don’t always show up on paper. I would estimate that i have watched 75% of all white sox games in the last 10 years. And sometimes you get a feeling on players. They just look like they belong.
Sometimes you can see the ones that don’t have it. I know that Rob Mack wasn’t used properly by ozzie, and that he could have been useful, but it doesn’t change the fact that he wasn’t useful in centerfield
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I remember it, Marte's trade was more for getting on Ozzie's bad side than his pitching
he sucked part of 2005, but he didn’t suck that bad the whole year.
IMO, the Swisher trade is similar, only KW got a better return for Marte.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 17, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, IIRC he didn't tell Oz he was injured.
Then he pussed out when it was time to pitch because of his undisclosed injury.
Or something like that.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Boone Logan
would puss out when called upon.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds familiar
Someone had his Wheaties this morning!
oPoS, how’s the training going?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 17, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
13 days to lift-off.
Not bad – am tapering nd ran sub-8:00’s yesterday for 12 mi, which ain’t bad for me. We’ll see. Thanks for asking.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would kick my ass....
i ran all last year and was always happy breaking 8 minute miles and i was only running 5 miles… lol
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are gonna let an AARP-elieigble person
kick your ass? Puss.
Did you do a 10K? You sound ready.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck - *eligible*
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your spelling skills are still in tact.
so you’ve got that going for you, you know, which is nice.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 17, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently mine are as well, "intact"
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 17, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You and Toonder - peas in a pod.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no hippie
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 18, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hate on Mack?
Not his fault Ozzie misused him on the field.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this one deserves a fanshot!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 16, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was there any doubt about that one?
pretty much a joke of destiny right there.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I'd like to see in my lifetime...
is a competent offensive coordinator for the Bears. Seriously. Ron Turner is an incompetent boob. I know he’s not working with a whole lot of talent but this offense is a fucking joke — Turner’s plays are much too predictable. I can only hope that I can suck as much at my job as he sucks at his and still be able to work.
by CWSKeith on Nov 16, 2008 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here here.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or is it Hear Hear?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was brilliant until Orton got hurt
Babich and Tommie Harris are much better objects of scorn.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the bears defense is atrocious.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Not working with a whole lot of talent"
That’s the problem. If you don’t have talent, the best coordinator ain’t going to do shit.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...I think he might be competent but not much more...
He’s presided over some good offensive teams, I think if he were incompetent that wouldn’t have happened. Even this year, the Bears offense has been better than I expected. Kyle Orton is not quite Tom Brady, Forte is a rookie running back, the OLine on paper is awful and the receiving corps is quite possibly the worst in the NFL (or second worst after the Titans). I don’t think Turner has underperformed this year.
The defense is atrocious, despite being sticked with high-priced and highly drafted players.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 16, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Start Your Preparations For The Vick Media Onslaught

http://deadspin.com/5089479/start-your-preparations-for-the-vick-media-onslaught
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 16, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
listening to the postgame on wbbm online...
what a joke that lance briggs goes on the radio for 30 seconds, spews a few cliches between bites of whatever the hell he was eating, and gets a couple of $200 gift cards to show for it.. yeah, that dude needs someone to pay for his fucking steak.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I kind of want to see the Bears sign Vick next offseason and hire some spread and shread wizard.
It might completely blow up in their faces, but that screams pure entertainment to me.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bye bye lovely, hello mike leach.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mike leach doesn't run the right spread for vick.
but i’d also like to see what happens with him. he’s an interesting guy. and maybe i’m wrong, but i don’t see why some aspects of the zone read packages can’t be adapted for the NFL. then again, i don’t pay much attention at all to the NFL.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care. i just want lovely, blah-bitch, and turner n' hooch the fuck out of town.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
been drinkin?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wish. at work, which makes me even angrier than i normally would be after such a pathetic bears performance.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't believe you can abide by that shit
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's what i get for slacking like a college kid for the last two months. the next month is going to be hell.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well there goes 1/12 of the year.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toonder's a gov't. employee.
Make that 1/10th.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
part of me would like to see that too, just for the entertainment value, but if they put it up to a vote i'd say don't do it.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so does BBTF not have an RSS feed?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/rss_2.0/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 16, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and is anyone else really missing baseball?
i miss it a lot.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not missing it when I get to watch the Bulls and Derrick Rose even in close losses.
But definitely missing it when the Bears play like shit.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 16, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with michigan in a total suckfest and a general lack of tv, i'm in a pretty sports deprived state right now
i was wandering the town and found myself inextricably sucked into the lions game, which was on pretty much everywhere on state street. apparently hdtvs are so awesome, folks are buying them for their places of business.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 16, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miss baseball?Naw,not me.
140days,17hours,10 minutes ’till Opening Day
by oahu420 on Nov 16, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope the WBC has made some evolution since its first appearance
I still loved it the first time around, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more and more everyday
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 16, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB Network launches 1Jan09
Baseball 24/7.Life,as I know it, will never be the same.They got the WBC starting on 5MARCH
by oahu420 on Nov 16, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh sweet
Comcast, DirecTV, Time Warner and Cox Communications have minority ownership of the new network, with MLB retaining a controlling two-thirds share.
i have TW, so here’s to hoping it’s part of basic cable. and HR is an anchor!
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2008 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose is easily filling the void
But I’ve always loved basketball more anyways.
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by hoodlight on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 16, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
note to blackhawks: it would have been ok to stop the sharks on the pp tonight. seriously.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 16, 2008 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
blackjack time
Up at Moon nightclub, more racers, riders and rappers: former Dancing With the Stars winner and Indianapolis speed king Helio Castroneves; Todd Braun, owner of the NASCAR racing team Braun Racing; and race driver Denny Hamlin with 20-plus people in their entourage. They arrived at midnight and stayed until 3:30 a.m. before returning to their Palms Sky Villa suites.
Professional BMX rider Rick Thorne, who is also an actor and musician with a principal starring role in the new Kevin James comedy film Mall Cop, was there, too, plus Todd Shaw, better known by his official stage rapper’s name of Too Short, and sports stars Carlos Quentin and his pal Brian Anderson — both from the Chicago White Sox. The two outfielders also went down one floor to play blackjack in the Playboy Club.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 16, 2008 10:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
too short? oh, man! that sounds like the best night ever!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 16, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all i fuck with is gangsters and strippers
from the weed house straight to the strip club. gotta get a bitch and get my dick sucked.
and they say rap isn’t poetry
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Nov 17, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin James?
Awesome! King of Queens is my favorite TV Show. Kevin James is hilarious.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 16, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kevin james is hilarious. his standup is great, too. i've had "sweat the small stuff" on my dvr for a year. i'm thinking of heading out to vegas to catch his next standup date in march.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 17, 2008 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hysterical guy. Good family entertainment, too.
He physically resembles my bro-in-law, which makes him even funnier to me.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BA...sports star?
I mean have you seen him play? Star is too small of a word. he is a sports nova or something.
house money!!
by thecip on Nov 17, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking out loud for a second...
seeing that what’s done is done re: the Swisher trade, I’m interested in how the move impacts the 2009 Sox, mainly the addition of Betemit. A very quick-and-dirty peak seems to tell me that Betemit should compliment Fields somewhat nicely, letting Betemit grab at-bats against a good amount of righties and letting Fields shield Betemit from southpaws.
I’m going to take a rosy view of things and make two assumptions (that may or may not be reasonable — I tend to think they’re somewhat reasonable but not even close to 100% reliable) — the first is that the knee surgery allows Fields to return to his 2007 level, i.e. a slugging-heavy league average hitter who’s still below average defensively. The second is that Betemit plays a bit above his mean projection (99 OPS+ being his mean projection according to ZiPS, also slugging heavy) — this could be for any number of reasons such as “ZE GOGGLES!”, moving to a marginally better hitters’ park, Ozzie’s Latino goodness, a talented 27 year-old following normal trajectory and having a bit of a peak season, Walk (or Coop!) fixing him, Kenny’s scouts coming through again, etc. I’m not saying Betemit plays at a 90th percentile level, but somewhere around his 60th percentile (and as such an OPS+ closer to 110).
So that leaves us with two poor defending but decent bats at third. My question is — how would that compare to the Sox 2008 White Sox third basemen and — what I’m ultimately looking for — would we be looking at a net improvement or not? I see that Sox third basemen in 2008 finished with a .264/.322/.441 line (a 97 OPS+) with average-ish defense (I’m not sure what the numbers say — here I’m just going kind of by what I saw). My scenario has the Sox doing a decent amount better at third with the bat (maybe something like .260/.325/.490) and a bit worse than the glove.
So under my (somewhat optimistic but, IMO, not overly so) conditions, the Sox are slightly better at third — probably not even approaching the Cabrera over Uribe uprade (which was what, a win or two?), but still a bit better.
Thoughts? I’m still as miffed as anyone about the trade, but Betemit is an intriguing player. I don’t have a BP subscription and as such can’t access PECOTA, but for those that do, I’d be interested to see if Betemit projects as more ‘variable’ than your average player (I think what I’m trying to say is that his standard deviation for a given offensive category is higher than normal).
by CWSKeith on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think the limited PAs/yr
mean that measuring his true talent on a year to year basis requires more regression than normal. so, basically, he will be more variable.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My fear is that Ozzie will be playing favorites as usual
and Betemit might face too many lefties.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 17, 2008 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From THT:
In conclusion, players with good skill sets but bad luck may no longer be undervalued like they would in the past. There are two main types of players where I see potential for looking at for sleeper picks. The first type is the kind every writer likes to project in spring training. These are the breakout players, the usually young guys ready to take the next step. The other kind are players with a past history of high playing time variation, typically due to injury. So while you may not be able to count on a guy like Nick Swisher as a sleeper pick this year, there are other places you can look. However, these players are ones that projection systems may struggle with, requiring you the owner to make some more subjective judgments.
link here
Bold mine. He’s talking about fantasy, but considering the rapidly dwindling supply of completely awful GMs, he may as well be referring to actual baseball. Playing time fluctuation isn’t always a function of injury, either. Kenny is itching to find out what Betemit can do with 600 PAs.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But Dye and Erstad, for two, certainly fit that bill.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin fairly well liked by PMR:
Rates juuuust belowaverage, about a half win better than what we’ve been seeing.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice space.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good job, kid.
Is there a Getz transcript in our future? I mean, now that the suspense is over re: UM’s attaining their worst season ever?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you might like this
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/article903511.ece
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
If they start strong next year I imagine the fan support will remain. If they pull an ‘07 Sox season they’ll be gone in a year or two. Oh, well, there’s always Miami to provide stability of MLB in Florida.
(Wha?)
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. they need to put together a good run.
which they are obviously primed to do but you never know – that’s why you play the games. putting a winning product out there year after year tends to make you money and get you a strong and stable fanbase. the current economic challenges are going to hit them harder than most but they seem to be pretty creative in terms of marketing etc. and their salaries in the short term should be pretty manageable, especially considering their pipeline is still pretty rich (though the townsend hit today isn’t good news) so i think they’ll do their best to mitigate. mlb really needs one of these florida franchises to stick. i do think the next year or two is going to see talk again of relocations and/or contraction.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb needs it?
and why do you think florida has been such a tough nut to crack for mlb? i’m under the impression that it’s a general florida thing, but i’ve never seen the numbers for other sports leagues. i can’t believe that miami wouldn’t support a baseball team, but it’s not like Loria plus Pro Player makes for a real baseball experience anyway.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami has had a hard time supporting ANY sports franchise,
which is interesting with the level of success in each of the big 4 (baseball, football, basketball, hockey). Very, very fickle. Read the article larry referenced if you haven’t already – great job by the columnist in pinpointing the research for why that would be.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished it
Given all of that, why the hell did Tampa get a team? And I really don’t like a taxbase footing the bill for stadiums.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think the failure of two mlb franchises would look really, really bad?
not to mention the actual real live economic, union, game etc. problems it would cause for mlb.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i assumed the franchises wouldn't be going under i guess
that scenario sounds pretty bad though. distinct possibility ya reckon?
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WU, this school shit needs to end.
It’s really fucking with my productivity.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the same boat. We are horrible, too.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Gammons say: Mets avoiding Jenks
…but they somehow are in love with some kind of long term deal with Frankie? Fuckinaye. If Jenks doesn’t perform, he’s still cost controlled and easy to ditch.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gammons being used by Mets for negotiating purposes?
Or Omar is a racist.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
The level of reporting on this stuff is pretty damn useless, so who knows how accurate that even is. I definitely don’t think all that much of Omar though.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
No one on the Mets interest me anyway
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetical situation....If you could pick up any player who is not an all star and doesn't really have a huge name
who would it be…..
I would pick up Nick Markakis in a heart beat from Baltimore. I think this guy is one of the top players in the league.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't really have a problem with Swisher.
He didn’t disgust me anywhere near the levels of Mackowiak. but for real…. Markakis would be an awesome pick up. I don’t think the Sox can get him this year..maybe in the future?
Alex Rios was an all star but he isn’t a big name. He’d be great too. BJ Upton would be nice.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all of these guys are pretty well known
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 17, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well i am just trying to keep people from saying the obvious names
Sabathia, Jeter, ARod, Mauer, Manny, Big Papi…..
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nicholas William Markakis is a fairly big name, I'd say.
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
best right fielder in baseball.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
admit it...you never heard of him before kenwo brought him up. he's totally under the radar.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not what i am saying
he has never been on an all star team…. he has never been considered for MVP…. He plays on a team that doesn’t get publicity…… He isn’t on any TV commercials….. He’s just a damn good player who I wish we could get. More so than Brian Roberts even.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is getting to be ridiculous.
he was drafted 7th overall in 2003. at 22 he played a full season in the majors. he doesn’t get much mvp consideration because he hasn’t had mvp-caliber seasons and his team blows. he isn’t on any tv commercials in tinley park, but i’m sure he’s pretty well publicized in baltimore. join the other 28 teams who wish they could get him.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you seem to be describing how fans perceive as opposed to how baseball people perceive.
i don’t think the orioles, and most of the rest of baseball, are unaware of how good markakis is. he’s a top draft pick who has produced a high level of production, hasn’t hit his prime yet, and is under team control through 2011.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right.
that is what i was trying to do. I want to see who people would love to get other than the mainstream superstars like arod pujols jeter manny etc…. obviously the orioles and every team think highly of him…… i said it was a hypothetical situation. lighten up for god sakes.
Corey Hart would be another guy I would put in this situation.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take any of the top producing players in baseball.
wouldn’t we all, right? are you asking for who people think are under-rated players or something?
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were Williams....had an open checkbook and/or available talent to get anyone
who would you get?
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great choice
man that would be awesome. Hanley at short Alexei at 2nd.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to stay away from
obvious choices like Pujols, Arod, etc….. but yah Pujols would look outstanding in a Sox jersey
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley is not an obvious choice?
Fer Chrissakes.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and hanley ramirez isn't an obvious choice?
this is what i was asking. do you mean the most underrated player in baseball? if so, say that. if i have an open checkbook i’m thinking i’m going to get the best baseball player, no?
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the best player in baseball by something like 1-2 wins, too
he’s unbelievably good.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup, though there's obviously some play here because, for example, hanley is four years younger than pujols.
so i guess taking that into account is a consideration. there are a few choices here that are defensible.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to stay away from
guys who are MVP/ Cy Young candidates year in and year out. Sorry if I confused everyone. Hanley is pretty new on the scene which is why i Ok’d that choice.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hanley has been an arguable mvp candidate two years in a row now
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and was ROY, an all-star...
brian giles seems to fit this criteria you’ve constructed, though he’s getting up there in age so that i wouldn’t want to acquire him for much more than the 1 year he has left.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah Giles would fit
especially 4-5 years ago. I suppose i do mean under rated…but when i said Markakis was under rated 4000 people jumped down my throat and said he isn’t.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he's not
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's because we're smart, informed baseball fans.
we weren’t sure what you were meaning by that.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was talking about
the average fan who may pay attention during the playoffs on who they would select. (obviously Arod or Pujols or Manny even Ryan Howard now)
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he wasn’t amazingly talented. Hanley Ramirez is drafted in the top 3 in fantasy baseball. He’s about as well known as you can be.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 17, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The averae jabronis who call in to WSCR
Don’t run baseball organizations (at least most of them).
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by hoodlight on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 17, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A trade that worked out well for both teams (BoSux and Fish).
I think I’d still take Ramirez over Lowell/Becks.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Hanley now....but at the time
I think the red sox made the right move.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no one's saying they made the wrong move
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say anyone did.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mumbles something about rainbow flags
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 17, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume he's a happy guy -
nice contract, low pressure/expectations, community that is congruent with his demographic. World by the tail.
That IS what you meant by “gay”, right?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
albert pujols
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 person
I ’d take Markakis
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct sir
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marc Cuban charged with insider trading.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Dallas-Mavericks-owner-Cuban-cnnm-13594659.html
Looks like his bid for the Scrubs is really screwed. Think the MLB owners have any pull with the SEC? Timing is really interesting, since this allegedly took place in 2004.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ouch
he’s a likable guy….. he’ll do some time and get out and sit on his fortune.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely brought on him by the MLB owners
2004? sweet jesus, how long were they digging before they came up with this one? you believe they just finally came up with the evidence to bring a charge up on him? please. plus its only $750,000. The guy is worth 6 billion. That’s a drop in the ocean. This guy is no dummy, i’d be really shocked if this charge stuck. This is just trying to mar his image so he can’t buy the cubs, because baseball is afraid to have an owner with brains and a fresh outlook. god forbid.
by Shakey on Nov 17, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Find it as suspicious as Shakey, do you?
Seriously weird.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this complaint is a joke.
unless they’ve got something more than what they put in the complaint (conceivable), this holds no water.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone wants a pelt.
He and Martha Stweart should form a club.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone got a login for Soxtalk?
some needs get over there and defend our honour.
or kick some ass, you know the drill.
regards
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's better to just let them sun in their blissful ignorance.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hardly.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
May I use that as my new sig?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll allow it.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're all heart.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I love this guy anyway:
QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 16, 2008 → 03:23 PM)
4. You have to trust people. Kenny trusted people and then got burned by Wilder and his asshole companions. When you have someone who you feel has a great eye for talent and is also one of your closest friends stab you in the back, it has to be hard. Thankfully Kenny now understands that Wilder is a cocksucker and now Kenny can move on with real baseball people in place instead of liars and thieves. The impact Wilder had on Latin American scouting will probably never get the attention it deserves, and none of us know just how serious that impact was. All I know is that the Sox went from finding guys like Maggs and Carlos Lee to signing Paulo Orlando and Juan Silverio. Talk about a drop-off.
(I believe we have found our new KenWo.)
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this guy must be a soxtalk graduate
Nick, we hardly knew ye. No tears shed here. The guy never fit it, never hit in the clutch, was kinda like a cartoon figure. Knowing Kenny, the Sox probably got the best of the deal with the Yankees. He’s not fooled often with the trades. I wish Swisher the best. Not sure how his act will play in Yankee Stadium if he hits under .220 again.
http://blogs.southtownstar.com/whitesox/2008/11/belated-adios-for-swisher.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 17, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not clutch?
“9) Nick Swisher, who didn’t make his first plate appearance until the 11th inning, hit a walkoff two-run homer in the bottom of the fourteenth against the Tigers on August 5. The home run was worth a 78.8% shift in expectancy.”
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Luck. He had good luck that day.
Bad luck all the rest of the season. No skill, just luck, both ways. A child of Fate.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good day off
Sesame street with the kid…baseball talk… the godfather is on now (kid is sleeping)…. analyzing my fantasy football team…. all days should be this miraculous lol
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
usually catchers don't have any problem hanging around forever in the minors.
but apparently ben davis wants to ensure that his career lasts longer than sandy jr.’s.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think i'd rather have Davis than Toby
its a close call though. Eh F’em both I will take Jorge Fabregas
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only if sal fasano is unavailable.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember all of the sox fan love for
Brook Fordyce?
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
considering how well he played offensively
it’s easy to see why.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he fell off quick as hell
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unsustainably high babips will cause that problem.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no. i've only been a sox fan since '05.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then you surely wouldn't remember
the legend of Don Wakamatsu or Matt Merullo
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shit, i'd do it.
he was pretty well known for his tools waaaay back in the day. of course that’s what i can remember from reading the Union Tribune as a 12 year old.
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you think you're some kind of prodigy or something, don't you? reading at 12...
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was tying my own shoes well before high school too
so yeah, prodigy.
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're still young
stay away from that concept as long as possible haha
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've also never been clear on what exactly defines "homelessness"
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
move back with mom and dad
or get a small job and split an Apt. with a few broads jack tripper style…minus the whole gay storyline.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll give ya a hint: it doesn't involve having a home.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 17, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of jobs do you guys got that you can sit on the internet and talk baseball all day
i’m jealous. although not really because i can do it all summer…. but still for now i’m jealous.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
unemployed.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey! thats the way to go
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
job? i’m not familiar with the concept.
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 17, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to find an office job that doesn’t let you use the internet these days. Most younger employees will complain if they don’t, and it’s a cheap way to keep them happy, seeing as most will be using the internet as part of the job it’s not much of an extra cost.
Most of my friends have jobs where they actually play games and watch TV shows online while at work (as I was able to in my last job), so reading a message board is pretty tame.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 17, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Illuminatus
"get rid of the wiry cunt, he’s fucking hopeless"
by hoodlight on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 17, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the dorks on here who spend time perusing PECOTA cards:
ever remember seeing a Beta score higher than 1.07? I can’t, but it’s not something I look at too much. But the normal range it seemed was like .98 – 1.02 or so.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think i recall seeing it during an interview with gordon beckham on this site.
not sure though. maybe somebody with access to this interview could stop fucking around on the internet reading pecota cards and post the interview.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
odds
which happens first?
1. getz interview appears
2. diary that getz interview isn’t ready disappears from the front page
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 17, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think a poll is in order.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A pole up colin's patoot, perhaps.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nate returns
CHICAGO WHITE SOX
Team Audit | DT Cards | PECOTA Cards | Depth Chart Return to Top
What Do They Need? The White Sox head into next season with essentially replacement-level alternatives at two positions, center field and second base, though there is room to debate that characterization at the keystone, depending on what you think of rookie Chris Getz. They could also use a fifth starter, since Jose Contreras can’t be counted on for much, and since the organization seems a bit overly optimistic about the speed with which someone like Aaron Poreda will be ready to become a big-league regular.
What Do They Have? After dumping Nick Swisher and letting Joe Crede and Orlando Cabrera walk out the door, the White Sox have become fairly streamlined, particularly as their minor league system—while improved—does not really contain any Must! Play! Now! guys. This is not necessarily a bad thing; on the contrary, it’s indicative of a team that is getting better and better about understanding marginal value. But it does mean that wheeler-dealer Kenny Williams has somewhat fewer assets than he’s used to working with. The one exception is probably relief pitching, where the Sox are fairly stacked, to the point that Bobby Jenks could potentially be moved.
What Are They Likely Do? The hottest target for the South Siders appears to be free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson, a terrific overall player who could potentially double as the club’s leadoff hitter. He’s a good fit for the club and a good fit for Williams, though I can’t help escape the feeling that O-Dog has probably peaked. It’s less clear what the White Sox may do about center field, where the free-agent pickings are pretty slim. The hole there will probably need to be filled by trade, which likely means flipping Jenks or perhaps Javier Vazquez, also rumored to be on the trading block.
What Should They Do? The improvements made by the likes of Carlos Quentin, John Danks, and Alexei Ramirez last season were very real and will tend to pay dividends for a long time, and the White Sox can be in the 87- to 90-win range again without doing anything too radical. If the basic game plan is paying slightly too much money to someone like Hudson and trading Jenks for a decent center fielder (which might be harder than it looks, because it’s something of a buyer’s market for relief pitching), I think I’m on board, though I’d complement that plan by adding a veteran starter, which the White Sox seem disinclined to do. The worries I’d have are that Williams will either decide that either DeWayne Wise or Brian N. Anderson is an adequate alternative in center field, or that he’ll move Vazquez, who is undervalued right now.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8315
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Measured, cogent, steady feedback.
I think Nate is growing on me. Perhaps because he now knows the Most Important Ruler of the Free World is a Sox fan and he’ll never sniff the White House if he keeps hatin’ on the Sox.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wish he would have said what he thought of Betemit
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt his opinion has changed.
he considers him a below average player at third.
free chris getz!
by larry on Nov 17, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
never really read Nate's opinion on Betemit
and he probably is, so i guess there isn’t much to add. his upside is related to his former prospect status and peculiarities of his stint in MLB. a player like him is usually a second division starter somewhere, not consecutively doomed by Chipper, Colletti and A-Rod.
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by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pedestrian analysis
needs more exit polling data
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exit polls are shite
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
given nate’s treatise as to why
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball America's White Sox Top 10 Prospects is up now
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If AJ and JD are still in our starting lineup in 2012
I might have to shoot myself.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how's jordan danks at running while pushing a wheelbarrow? that's the only way jd will be able to get to any balls in 2012.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well he is our best athlete
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I would prefer the 3 legged race
as opposed to the wheelbarrow. Or perhaps the sack race.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gavin will always win the sack race.
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind a JD as our DH in 2012 in his last year probably, but good lord Rightfield? No way that happens.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 17, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he's a win below replacement NOW
in 4 years? sweet holy hell.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i like our 4 lefty rotation
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty likely for 2010 as long as Poreda gets through the injury nexus
which is pretty damn cool.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers Is Everywhere.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to be kidding me
I think that Pujols had a very very good year, but he wasn’t even the MVP of the Cards…
I think Ludwick & Loshe were probably more of the reason that the Cards were competitive most of the year for the division title. I think maybe the MVP should have gone to Howard.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 17, 2008 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
moar like jimmyeatshitsandwiches
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where'd you pull that?
that’s some damn stupid shit though.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just say it came from a NL blog on this network
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 17, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jimmyeatworld = J-Roll.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully they were castigated
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 18, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awfully extreme.
It’s only baseball writing. Now in the event of rape, I agree – castigate them one and all.
it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, last night some dipshit sportscaster on the local news was dumbfounded Pujols won over Howard
citing the fact that Howard hit more HRs and “took his team deep in the post season, he even helped them win a championship”
What a chode.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 18, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: So, um, I had a dream last night
SSH got unbanned somehow and started posting again. Please tell me that was just a horrible nightmare.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Nov 17, 2008 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
reardenmettle is almost as much of a moron as ken williams.
regards,
ghost of ssh past
"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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