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Around SBN: The Gift Of The 2003 Tigers

1. Gordon Beckham, ss
2. Aaron Poreda, lhp
3. Clayton Richard, lhp
4. Brandon Allen, 1b
5. Jordan Danks, of
6. Chris Getz, 2b
7. John Shelby, of
8. John Ely, rhp
9. Cole Armstrong, c
10. Eduardo Escobar, ss

Which looks very similar to our Community List at least at the top.

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by way of comparison, this is who he had last year.
1. Aaron Poreda, lhp
2. Lance Broadway, rhp
3. Jack Egbert, rhp
4. Jose Martinez, of
5. Chris Getz, 2b
6. John Ely, rhp
7. Juan Silverio, ss
8. John Shelby Jr., of
9. Adam Russell, rhp
10. Kyle McCulloch, rhp

which was a joke of a list. at least this list makes sense.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

In his defense

Ours looked like this

1. Fautino De Los Santos         147
2. Gio Gonzalez                  144
3. Jack Egbert                   109
4. Chris Carter                  105
5. Ryan Sweeney                  101
6. Aaron Poreda                   78
7. John Shelby                    63
8. Lance Broadway                 55
9. Jose Martinez                  49

after the trades, Egbert as #1 isn’t exactly inspiring.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 17, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

and it's not like the risers (Allen and Richard)

deserved to be listed last year.

Allen’s always had the tools, but didn’t look like he’d be able to put them together. And Richard had a good pitching body, and a fine athletic pedigree, but zero inspiring results.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 17, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd call that a legitimate list.

except, of course, for the idiotic “i hate aaron poreda because he’s not rick porcello and carlos gomez told me to” crew that skewed the voting.

juan silverio? really?

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

damn

I was getting worried. I thought nobody was gonna sign

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 17, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Winter meetings next month.

Nothing happens before that.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Usually a few relievers and a few mid-level players

get picked off the board in the first hours or days of Free Agency. But nothin was happening this year

(I suppose because FA signing period started on a friday, they (functionally) extended it 3 days.)

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 17, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

More focused on trades, perhaps?

I may be wrong, but the trading market seemed a bit more active this November.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You might be right

there seems to be more chatter than usual right now…

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 17, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe other than the Evil Empires with incredible funding,

GM’s are being told to rein it in and make the assets they have to work with more efficient.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

well then i'm writing secretary paulson

we can’t allow the FA market to seize up. it’s become too large for us to let it fial. that’s why as part of our next stimulus package, we need to authorize the fine gentlemen of the treasury department to buy up all of these bad FA contracts on the books so that GMs and owners have the ability to keep day-to-day operations going and handing out retarded contracts.

let’s do it. for america.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

giants didn't get the memo about collusion.

they’re an incompetent organization, remember? can’t even get that shit right.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

gonzalez on waiver claim and joey cora

White Sox claim pitcher from Toronto
By Mark Gonzales

The White Sox claimed right-handed pitcher Kelvim Jimenez off waivers from Toronto and placed him on the 40-man roster.

Jimenez, 28, spent the 2008 season in the Cardinals organization, posting a 1-6 record and 2.92 ERA with 12 saves in 46 games at Triple-A Memphis. He had a 5.63 ERA in 15 games with St. Louis.

The Blue Jays claimed Jimenez off waivers on Nov. 3. Jimenez has 617 strikeouts in 728 innings in nine minor league seasons.
 
….

The Sox should know no later than Tuesday whether bench coach Joey Cora will be hired as Seattle’s next manager. By Cora’s recent comments in Seattle newspapers regarding the position and the Mariners’ future, he sounds optimistic about his chances.

Cora has ample knowledge of the Mariners’ player personnel, but it remains to be seen which direction new GM Jack Zduriencik will steer toward.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 2:05 PM CST reply actions  

...why?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

it's possible KW believes that he doesn't have enough masset in his system.

however, we all know that’s not possible. at least outside of an atom smasher.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

the FAT of the land has its appeal i guess

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that a Prodigy joke?

You firestarter, you.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

pierzynskirules?

where you been, girl?

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yes.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 18, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

i've had way more than my phil of this a$$hole.

Righty Adam Russell also had his moments in the bullpen, winning three games in one nine-day span.

that’s the phil rogers i know and can’t stand.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

He could've mentioned it was in about 10 pitches, too.

He has some restraint.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

he had a nice 20 pitches over 1 2/3 and ended up with 3 wins to show for it.

between the 2nd and 3rd he had a shit outing against the a’s and immediately after the third he had two horsehit outings. definitely ready to assume a prominent role.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

you just shut up, meanie.

adam is awesome!!!

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't blame russell.

he’s just like mackowiak…misused. there were plenty of times when he was the key to winning that ozzie refused to put him in the game.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

if only nessie had been more like slash.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow - incorporating hose$hIT nicknames into posts about other hose$hIT nicknames.

Your creative fire is still blazing. Still honked off?

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe about your "hose$hit" spelling.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Check your own a few posts ago, glass house inhabitant.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

In case you need help:

between the 2nd and 3rd he had a shit outing against the a’s and immediately after the third he had two horsehit outings. definitely ready to assume a prominent role.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

double-paned bulletproof glass.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

like a flowbee.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Nessie, plz. Use the warm and fuzzy nickname.

And, larry, come on now. You were looking for him in a few late-season games when Ho-Ram and Tabasco were being trotted out instead.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, if God can go back on his rule of

No Phil on My Thread the whole world has been turned upside down.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course You can.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

So, boys, what is next for Kenny? Predictions?

By the way….Baseball Prospectus MUCH LESS harsh on the Swisher trade…..much less. I am like most of you….disappointed….but only slightly.

by dantesox on Nov 17, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Remember, he's a doctor - almost.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i posted my offseason plan already, chief.

someone even made it into a fanpost. i guess i’m that fucking good.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember. Boring as hell.

I mean given what has happened. I’m asking for kind of a combination what you think Kenny should be attempting knowing his needs and his tendencies. As I remember, yours was kind of a stand pat plan along the lines of what Jerry Royster might submit. I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad move….but just not even close to the way Kenny will procede. For that matter….probably not what would make for any excitement, either== attendance/$.

by dantesox on Nov 17, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

in the current economic climate

a stand pat plan may be one of the best non-moves you can make.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve seen a lot of positives views on the deal. Doesn’t change my opinion we got garbage for a valuable asset.

by Grinder in Training on Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

what I can't understand about is

why move so fast (on Swisher)? If they wanted him out fine, but surely they could have waited to see what other teams may have offered.

Or maybe Williams just couldn’t wait to get rid of him because of other reasons, but all that kind of stuff is speculation. All we have to go on is his numbers and they say he was undersold.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a fear of mine with Kenny.....and the first thing I thought of when I heard the deal.

Even so, if those are the driving forces, it doesn’t necessarily mean it will TURN OUT bad….he deserves some benefit of the doubt given recent history.

by dantesox on Nov 17, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

all too human

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m with you. Ever since being mocked in Moneyball, he has been completely driven to either shove it down Billy’s throat and/or prove to the world he’s just as good. Funny. Both are likely egomaniacs…..but I don’t care. Maybe that’s not so terrible. How’s this….as long as Kenny is honest with himself that these are the dynamics in place….then at least he won’t allow that fact to affect his rationale for any specific move…yet not denying what is truly happening psychologically. Damn….I think the Sox should hire me as a psychological consultant….will you put in a good word for me, lar?

by dantesox on Nov 17, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope not.

“Pretend you are on a ship endlessly rocking” isn’t what any of the Sox cast members (yes, I referred to them as “cast members”) need.

Put away the DSM IV.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If you prick his finger...

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I think you reversed what I said.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

.disa i tahw desrever uoy kniht i, on

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

"Asid"?

Sounds nefarious to me.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

dammit!

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I"m still going with financial

This move eliminates not only Swisher’s salary, but also the need to consider bringing Juan back. So in a sense – KW just cleared the books of a fairly large financial burden. For that matter, I expect KW to not sign any free agents this year, expect to see Armstrong as the backup catcher and a couple other minor league players making an appearence.

Part of my thought is based on a survey the Sox sent to season ticket holders before the end of the season – there were quite a few questions regarding the economy and its impact on spending with the team. There were also questions regarding how the fans would like to see a team structured and assembled.

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Nov 17, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see Armstrong as a backup

Two lefty-hitting catchers?

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 17, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

why does getting rid of Swisher

eliminate the consideration to keep Uribe?

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

ok get it now

do you you think that will be Betemit’s role, a utility man, filling in in numerous positions or the starting third baseman? (bearing in mind that KW was bigging up Josh Fields only a couple of weeks ago).

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

A Fields/Betemit platoon

seems to be our best option for optimizing the offensive production at 3rd (working only with parts we have now)

by 3E8 on Nov 17, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

makes it more unlikely that they

will sign that Cuban lad then I guess, well not for loads of cash anyway.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

should his agent say he isn't ready?

betemit has two years of arbitration left, iirc. even if you think viciedo is all that and a bag of low fat frito-lays, that should coincide nicely with when he would arrive.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 17, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

of course

Sports Agents are to a man fine honest upstanding members of the community.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

i can't remember the last teenager to compete successfully in the big leagues

which technically isn’t what the ML deal necessitates, but it certainly asks him to compete well before more are asked to. not to mention it eliminates a significant portion of the benefit of having young players, namely long term cost control.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

oh yeah

and in this case, that’s “Kid Dynamite” to you. if you believe my baseball cards anyway.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going through old baseball cards

Seeing his 1989 upper deck card always makes me laugh…. he has a shit mustache…. it’s fantastic…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i was rather thinking of players who actually played a full season or close to it.

considering his results the past three seasons, i think the phrase “sample size” is in full effect.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 18, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

mmmmm dirty panty show.....

sorry i got sidetracked

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Betemit

Career

237 games at 3rd .948 Fielding percentage
79 games at ss .954
17 games at 2nd .986

Uribe 2008
57 games at 3rd .960
52 games at 2nd .996
4 games at ss 1.000

Fields career minor league
437 games at 3rd .927

I hope that betemit / fields platoon isn’t a huge hole on defense.

Oh torpedo boat, you were sound on defense….

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

it's actually a lot better than previously expected

since the “more range = more errors” theory was kind of debunked.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

either way

You could be right…. i just posted the numbers for all to see…. you can take it for what it is worth

Miguel Cabrera was 20 when he broke in with the Marlins and won the world series in 2003..

Thats the youngest player I can recall having great success

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well it's still not better than the d-metrics

but there is some value there.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a decent thought, though it does assume a Fields/Betemit platoon

that’s about an $8M gain. i don’t see us signing a CF from this market, but that would be about enough for a mid-range starter.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

mid range starter...?

we are already loaded with 4’s and 5’s

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i posted my own "larry plan" re: starters

1)Danks
2)Buerhle
3)Vazquez
4)Gavin
5)The Unit/Richard/Poreda

That kind of depth projects to do what every Kenny team since the 5th Starter Debacle has done: get more IP from non-replacement level starters than anyone else in the league. Richard would be swingman/long/loogy in that scenario while Poreda could move at his leisure. If Vazquez gets dealt for a CF as may be the case, such a signing makes all the more sense. FWIW, Getz really likes Richard to stick as a decent starter. But then again he was in Clayton’s wedding.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

you're forgetting something

I’ll give you a hint. It’s KW’s number one acquisition this offseason! We don’t need Richard to be a starter.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Marquez?

Nope.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah we should have some dough

just from getting rid of our extra outfielder (swish) 3.6 mil, third (crede) 5.1 mil, utility/3rd (uribe) 4.5 mil

12.7 mil
- betemit/fields

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

tru..... forgot we had to pay the big guys

they gotta eat

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

i still can't figure out an answer for the timing.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i like ego and impatience

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 17, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

seconded

I think that maybe it had something to do with signing uribe last year, then trading for O Cab. Maybe he’s trying to do things in order this year…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Hank White..... but he might bost a little too much

 Varitek, Type A: .220, 13 HRs, 43 RBIs

Rodriguez, Type A: .276, 7 HRs, 35 RBIs

Gregg Zaun, Type B: .237, 6 HRs, 30 RBIs;

Paul Lo Duca (Type B, Nationals)
Javier Valentin (Reds)
David Ross (Red Sox)
Toby Hall (White Sox)
Henry Blanco (Cubs)
Johnny Estrada (Nationals)
Adam Melhuse (Rockies)
Vance Wilson (Tigers)
Chad Moeller (Yankees)
Brad Ausmus (Astros)
Paul Bako (Reds)
Josh Bard (Padres)
Michael Barrett (Padres).

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

correction cost

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 17, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

Lets get Barrett and see who really would win in a fight- him or AJ

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

or not

considering he hasn’t been worth shit since that season

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 17, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

i was making a sarcastic comment

get the stick out of your tush.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hey look

it’s the number one butthead himself. now everyone else reply and laugh with larry and his lame commentary like usual!

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 17, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

that one is all yours

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 17, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am number 1

2 is not a winner and 3 nobody remembers.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ichiban, Numero Uno, Nummer Eins.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 17, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm number 337

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Nov 17, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

To be honest with you if I had to pick one of these back up catchers.........

I would have to go with the brother of Suavamente Jose Valentin….. Javier is a decent enough player and has an OK stick. His arm isn’t as good as it once was but hell anything is an improvement over Toby.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Just found the Sox move to Phoenix/Glendale is probably a done deal...

Was having a beer at a bar here in Phoenix. A guy came up to me, saw my Sox hat, said he’s been workin on the move from Tuscon, should be announced tomorrow night. By the way, he bought me a beer cuz of the hat, as if you wanted to know.
Beer tastes good.

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Nov 17, 2008 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

I think spring training is half of the reason the Arizona/florida more specifically florida teams have trouble

drawing interest. Most of the people that have been down there for a long time are fans of the teams who train by them. I had relatives in Sarasota that loved the White Sox because of their training days down there.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 17, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Affirmative, Kenwo.

Further, when the DBacks were in their first season, the local media thought it necessary to make sure they explained the rules of the game to the audience on the TV during games. No sht. It was comical. For instance “A hit and run is when…” A sac fly happens when…." I felt as though I was back living in Europe.
Everybody out here is from somewhere else, and like Florida, alot of retirees.
Too many Cub fans

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Nov 17, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Freely Available Talent

http://statspeak.net/2008/11/freely-available-talent.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 17, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

I love how Beckham has no vote for any of the top organizational skills/tools.

Just as advertised.

Somehow I have a hard time believing Danks, Poreda and Floyd will be better than Buehrle in 4 years, whoever they’re pitching for.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2008 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

Why?

Danks and Floyd have better stuff, they are younger and in four years Buehrle will be getting pretty old, Danks and Floyd will still be in their prime.

by Grinder in Training on Nov 18, 2008 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

So what re: Becks?

If he is the best “all-around” ballplayer who cares if he has the best arm, or the best bat, or the best glove? I’d like someone to not just have the skills but be able to utilize them the best.

Awfully cynical re: MB, since Danks probably had a better all-around year than Mark this year. with his bro in the organization I bet Johnny sticks around awhile.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

not to mention that those categories are fairly silly.

justin greene and sal sanchez are really going to be helped by being fastest baserunner (who cares? how about best?) and best outfield arm.

free chris getz!

by larry on Nov 18, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

You can't teach speed.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 18, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

they're not saying he's gonna suck

pretty much just that he’ll be 33 while danks will be 27, floyd will be 29, and poreda will be 25 so the odds are they’ll be better

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 18, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

not really

If Danks maintains and Floyd keeps improving over the next 4 years, they would both be better. And Poreda is supposed to be pretty good.

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 18, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Too many variables

One of them’s going to regress or not make it, and Buehrle won’t need his velo as much as a normal 33-year-old declining pitcher.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 18, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Jayson Nix is

0 – 21 in his last 7 games in the Mexican Pacific League.

Sox in 2009!

by ballyb on Nov 18, 2008 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

happy tuesday to you, too.

"this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

by Toonderstrook on Nov 18, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Willie Mays was 0-24 before his first major league hit.

And it was a home run.

Yes. Jayson Nix is the next Willie Mays. (Willie at age 60.)

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Or more apropo,

Abraham Lincoln declared personal bankruptcy before he was elected president.

Sox in 2009!

by ballyb on Nov 18, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And then was shot in the head.

How is that an improvement?

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.

by U-God on Nov 18, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

more aerodynamic

like dimples on a golf ball

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 18, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ba-ZING!

I was thinking a Wiffle ball.

it’d be like defending your choice of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to someone who eats dog shit.

by winningugly on Nov 18, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

lincoln had a hell of a slider

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 19, 2008 4:07 AM CST up reply actions  

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