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More Viciedo Thoughts

He's still not officially signed, but he's the only news we've got right now. So, we'll keep on talkin' 'bout him.

Jeff Passan points out that the White Sox weren't the highest bidder for Viciedo.

Chicago’s willingness to put Viciedo in an open competition pushed them past three other teams, Torres said, one of which was offering more than $11 million. Viciedo’s familiarity with Ramirez, as well as the presence of Cuban Jose Contreras, helped sway him toward the White Sox.

He also confirms my assertion that the contract was historically rich for a player of Viciedo's age.

I haven't been able to put together an easy-to-read collection of his Cuban stats in part because my DNS won't allow me to access the Cuban sites that Wiz first linked when we learned that Viciedo was a free agent, and the stats that we do have don't seem to add up to his career numbers. Chris DeLuca says he hit .294/.403/.503 last year in the Cuban League.

Somewhere on the internets, and don't remember where anymore, and I hope I'm not making this up, I read that Phil Rogers would have ranked Viciedo behind only Beckham among the Sox top prospects and is the equivalent of another high first-round pick.

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Felix Perez

your center fielder for the next 6 years

oh yeah

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 24, 2008 12:29 AM CST reply actions  

haha i hope we sign all the cubans

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 24, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

been reading too much mlbtr?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember reading the same Rogers thing

I can’t remember where, but you didn’t just make that up.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Nov 24, 2008 1:20 AM CST reply actions  

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/11/21/667619/dayan-viciedo-via-worldcha#10194839

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

BA Chat:

 Q: Burke from Columbus, OH asks:
If the White Sox were to sign Dayan Vicideo, thanks to their connections made while signing other Cuban players who share Vicideo’s agent, where would he fit on this list?

 A: Phil Rogers: Viciedo is a high ceiling guy, as everyone knows. I wouldn’t put him ahead of Beckham but maybe everyone else. At least 3, maybe 2.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 AM CST reply actions  

well, he isn't wrong. Now for the hard part...

You’re getting there Phil. Slowly but surely. But then again, you probably aren’t.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 24, 2008 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Ozzie says:

What do you make of 19-year-old Dayan Viciedo, a power-hitting third baseman? Could he join Cuban shortstop Alexei Ramirez?

I’m going to tell the fans and media: Don’t expect this kid to play the first year like “the Missile” did. He’s supposed to be a good player. We’re going see in spring training.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-24-white-sox-chicagonov24,0,2774756.story

"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.

by Chiburb on Nov 24, 2008 7:21 AM CST reply actions  

starting 3B-man

book it!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

As a 19 year old?

No way.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

good thing he'll be 20 next season then, huh

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

As a 20 year old?

No way.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

cuban pride!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not like we didn't hear this already
What about the disappointment of Swisher, who hit .191 after the All-Star Game?

It was hard because when we brought him here, a lot of people were excited [that] he would have a great career with the White Sox, but we got to the point that we went through the roster … and we had a right fielder, left fielder, first baseman and DH. It was hard for us to find a place for him.

Was Swisher a bad influence in the clubhouse late in the year?

You’ve got to ask the players about that. To be honest with you, I was not happy with the way he was reacting at the end of the season. He wasn’t helping me either.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 24, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

So

is it still not known for sure whether its a 4 or 5 year deal? and should he be here this week to sign?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 24, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

still cold in Chicago

BA found a new wingman now that Q! is married

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa. Q. Is. Married?

I was not consulted.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/11/14/661631/another-one-bites-the-dust

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

wow. my head hangs low.

meh. at least my boobs are still perky.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Age is a mutha.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

rule 5 draft eligibles.

sox unlikely to be players but…

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/rule-5-draft-in.html

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

Why not? No one of interest?

Thanks for the link to Gammons. Not sure if you saw this:

• Paul Volcker’s appearance at this week’s owners’ meetings got the owners’ attention, and lends credence to Bud Selig’s warnings about the economy’s impact on the game. The former Federal Reserve chairman warned owners that the worst has yet to come, and teams are finding that high-end ticket sales have slowed dramatically and that corporate marketing dollars are suddenly hard to come by, even in big-market cities. Not everyone can be like Tigers owner Mike Ilitch and absorb $30-40 million in losses. And remember, in Games 4 and 5 of the ALCS between the Rays and Red Sox, many tickets went unsold at face value at Fenway Park.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

It looked thin - thanks.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Wagner

i could see him getting a try out.

"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.

by e-gus on Nov 24, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

volcker? he's palling around with that damn socialist

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

wisdom teeth out

sleepy plus pain pills

and no sox news

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

So take a nap. It's OK.

Holiday week. Slow. Ponderous.

Go home and surprise your folks if you are not there already.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

already am

sent my mom out to get me dvds

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

let's hope she doesn't come back with Sisterhood of Traveling Pants II.

that might make you feel exponentially shittier.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

nope

sent here out for season 3 of the wire. so i should be set

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

except you're going to have to watch the whole thing over again when you're not a doped-up space cadet.

but carry on, soldier. maybe the portslut will have a heart and personally deliver a thanksgiving surprise to you.

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

yep. just leave a $20 under the pillow.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

best tooth fairy ever

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't know why, but that just reminded me of the ol' ll cool j.

she looked kind of puzzled, i said, “you’ll see”
i pulled up at ten on the d.o.t.
when she walked out the door, i threw my tongue down her throat
pushed her back inside and pulled off her coat
laid her on the table and place my order
and gave her a tip much bigger than a quarter

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

i ain't popped the pills yet

so i still pretty solid. figure i can get 3 episodes in before i need the vic

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

people down in champaign already called dibs

but if you make a run to plainfield before i head back, all yours

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

will I finally get to meet toonder?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm kidding. sort of.

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

we ain't judging

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

down goes frazier! down goes frazier! down goes frazier!

i’d love to know how you’d characterize me if you weren’t always looking on the bright side.

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

wait. i think i figured out the reason for the hostility.

you’re kenwo’s baby mama, aintcha?

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

jersey chaser

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess it makes sense.

bedding an accomplished athlete + viewing all of the pay-per-view wrestling shit on his dime + getting comped into all of the oak forest high football games = too much to resist?

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

only for an italian, i'd think.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

soon:

“i love the way you caress my dirt stache”

“i love that we can stand up in your van”

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

haha.

:-D

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

you're into guys?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm not you colin

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

that obvious?

maybe i do need to move to california.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

it's great. we, i mean, they, don't even have to act straight here.

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

don't forget his playlist.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

U-God did you go to plainfield high school?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

plainfield central yeah

why?

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I live in plainfield...

I went to JCA and Romeoville though.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

you live in plainfield?

that’s awesome! we’re gonna have to grab a drink at gunther’s or uptown some time in june

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

yea for sure...

there used to be this bar called ranked where you drank and played video game tournaments but that closed due to downtown being closed off for so long. as well as that awesome golf shop on the corner.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah ranked was really tight

what neighborhood you live in?

i’m downtown

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

over by b-dubs

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 25, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

No - his solution is to STAY a doped-up space cadet.

“State-dependent memory” is a beautiful thing.

Nice you have the MM philosophy of women’s roles, UG. When do you start berating her for your sandwich?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

he’s busy in aurora. nurse mom took the day off

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

after 2 norco’s, 2 valiums, and a B, I had to watch True Blood all over again.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd rec'd rec'd

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

boosh

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

not whinin

just kinda kills my break

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

in toonder i trust

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

fellow goon...you should be good to go by thursday

i had it done a couple days before christmas last year and still fucking dominated the big feast with the family….if you’re not up to eating thursday then all you can do is go to that doctor/dentist whatever the fuck he is…and punch ‘em in the dick…..of course if it’s not a dude…well…you know

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

it was a dude

and thank you for the kind words fellow goon

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

just don't shoot him in the dick

you never shoot a guy in the dick

"...fined for what, hittin' the ball into outer space?"

by Illini0509 on Nov 24, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

in non-dental news

the royals top 10 prospects just got posted

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267224.html

nothing reaaly exciting, but better than reading pointless speculation on traderumors

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

who would i rather have...

The Arsonist or the Royals #3 prospect…

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

does the other one have a sweet nickname?

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

he might eventually.

but i will say that The Arsonist is the best nickname we’ve come up with so far. General Soreness is second and Torpedo Boat is third.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

What about "Slash"?

;)

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

who?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

our prez-elect 's press. conf--

…divided the room of reporters in 1/2 today — Sox fans/Cub fans. Hilarious!

by RoyEgan on Nov 24, 2008 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

link?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yes u r

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd dood

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

larry has put some meat on his pipes!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

where'd the terrifying macro go?

Cheat-sploded?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

dee-lorted

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you, whoever 86'ed it.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

big man can't deal with a little eye bleeding?

c’mon. show a little sack.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I can - my employer, however...

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

he looks like he could take a joke.

i'll take privatizing profit and socializing risk for $2000, alex.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 24, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You work for the government - not me.

Cute, ain’t he?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, in that old man who fake tans sort of way.

and apparently, he still wears his class ring.
puh-thetic.
i see these guys everywhere i turn.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

From all accounts

he gets a lot of tail.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

fields taking grounders
An encouraging note for Guillen was that Fields already has contacted bench coach Joey Cora about taking offseason ground balls down in Florida, where all three men live during the offseason.

“Last year, I was disappointed with Josh, because he went backwards a little bit defensively,” said Guillen, who acknowledged Fields was hampered in the field by his knee soreness. “I saw all the work he put in [during Spring Training], six in the morning every day, and all of a sudden you forget about what you did. We talked to him and told Josh, ‘Make it easy for Kenny and myself. We want to play you there.’”

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081123&content_id=3689728&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

Does he get a regulation-sized glove this year?

Or just the handball glove again?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

seems as if the good old double glove attempt works fucking wonders for fields

“YES! I stopped the ball this time! What happens next Ozzie? I can has the job now?”- said Fields following the picture snapped of him

Guillen was seen on the phone, reportedly speaking to Roberto Alomar about another return to the White Sox, and his thoughts on playing 3rd base this year

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

YAY!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

mlb and player's union call on federal government to unfreeze free agent market; obama will not commit
The union’s bigger problem, by far, will be the second-tier free agents who already were getting squeezed. Teams now might take even more of a hard-line position with such players, again forcing them to scramble for jobs.

Several general managers mentioned to me last week that they plan to wait out the market, believing that bargains will develop. As for major signings, it’s still early. But one prominent agent says the market is indeed moving more slowly than usual.

"Everyone is afraid to make a decision," the agent says. "Agents are afraid to do a deal now and then see the market explode for their premier players. General managers are afraid to do a deal with the chance that the market will collapse."

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8839446/Caution-surrounds-baseball-during-free-agency?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

This sounds familiar...

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

proposed federal intervention pays immediate dividends.

renteria to giants for 2/$18M. tigers fans rejoice as their team is saved from actually having to risk offering arbitration.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

dave cameron
There are a few things that come every winter – Chrismas, cold weather, and Brian Sabean signing a free agent over the age of 30.

LOL!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

paul from las vegas is back in the saddle!
I wanted to play general manager for a bit, and run some trade scenarios past you that should fit our needs:

What do you think of trading Paul Konerko to the Angels for Chone Figgins and then trading Fields and Chris Getz (and maybe a prospect) to Baltimore for Brian Roberts? The final piece of the puzzle would be to re-sign Jon Garland to the rotation and use Clayton Richard and Poreda in the bullpen to develop them in the Majors. I know it’s easier said than done, but I wanted your opinion on that scenario. Thanks for hearing us out as always.
— Alex, Northlake, Ill.

Remember, again, Konerko has earned full no-trade veto power as a 10-year veteran with five years playing for the same team, and I don’t see him going anywhere but back to first base with the White Sox. If the Orioles don’t sign Roberts to a contract extension and make him available, it will take much more than Fields, Getz and a prospect, with all due respect to Fields and Getz, to come close to prying him loose. And Garland is not coming back to the White Sox.

Sorry to snow on your Hot Stove moves, Alex.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

i would rather trade konerko, getz, fields, poreda, and beckham for taveras

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

good.

but sox can’t trade beckham yet. substitute viciedo and i think it gets done.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

point taken larry

if need be…i’m also willing to part with danks or floyd

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Nov 24, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Roberts is a good player

but is he the ONLY leadoff hitter in baseball? When did A-Rod die and anoint B-Rob the best player on the market? BTW don’t be surprised if the Yanks are shopping A-Bomb. Not sure what his NTC or 5-10 rights are but that does not seem to be a good thing going on there…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

javy for arod?

His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing

by Jbasic89 on Nov 24, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

deal.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You want Vazquez, Dye or Jenks?

The message Williams is sending is this: Come and get ‘em, but they won’t be cheap.

maybe should have applied this same logic to swisher.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

Won't be cheap...

Elsewhere in the article we get:

Williams has had his eye on Colorado’s Willy Taveras, and might even give Juan Pierre a shot (especially if the Los Angeles Dodgers paid much of the $28.5 million left on his contract). Both the Dodgers and Rockies are teams that could be interested in Dye, who is owed $12.5 million for the one year and option year left on his contract.

Dye for Taveras or Pierre+cash. Yeah baby! Sign me up! Get that overpaid plodder out of the OF and some game-changing speed at the top of the lineup.

And also, if trading Dye for one of those guys happens, I’m reallocating my scheduled hot-stove-following time to something more fun like cleaning out gutters and sink traps in my house.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you

I feel the same way. (insert dog humping then puking gif here)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

he'd be stupid

to leave the NL.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 24, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

boy, i tell ya, stoney.

that odalis perez sure has great stuff. after watching him pitch, i just can’t figure out how his numbers aren’t at the top of the league.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

please god no

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 24, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m all for taking a flyer on a veteran to compete for the rotation…..I’m just not sure he’s the guy, though.

by dantesox on Nov 24, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

(insert dog humping picture here)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

One more thing.

I’m getting a little nervous about us not being mentioned for any of the, what you might call, “second tier” free agents. These are the Orlando Hudsons or even Ben Sheets of the world. We need to acquire one of these types via free agency…..we can’t do everything through trade or bargain basement flyers. I assume payroll will be either equal to or slightly greater than last year.

by dantesox on Nov 24, 2008 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

isn't everyone staying under the radar then?

there’s a reason they’re second tier. they don’t even begin to get offers until the first tier gets signed. that whole setting the market thing.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Second Tier = Type A?

I read this as… “I’m getting a little nervous about us not being mentioned for any of the overpriced free agents. We need to get rid of our 2009 first round draft pick.”

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 24, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

when was the last time a sox draft pick actually contibuted to this organization on the field?

i say we forget this whole “amateur draft” thing and you, me, and WTGTD steal a crop duster, fly that puppy into cuba, and kidnap the cuban national team. seems like a higher percentage play to me.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

you think I know how to hot wire one of those things?

I have played flight sim 2k so I could fly the sum bitch! I bet Kenwo would know how to hot wire one. I was actually thinking that the Sox are after Felix Perez. Why not rebuild our system with seemingly the only advantage over other teams that we have?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

in other words.

I’d be down.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

we do need a second baseman

 Youlieski Gourriel it is… He can play 3B if Viciedo still needs to be bottle fed.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 24, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not busy friday and saturday.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 24, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

kenwo might be

too busy banging our moms…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

And in art museums.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

thats pollock.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 24, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

saaaame thing! :-)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also worth noting

that the rumored deal for Viciedo is more per annum than the Sox spent on the ’07 draft

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 24, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubans have seemed to fare pretty well

in their transition to the MLB, much more IMO than say Japanese players. Look at what Ramirez did although he is a little older… I see Viciedo as being an epic signing.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Just because you don't know the names

Alay Soler, Yoslan Herrera, and Michel Hernandez doesn’t mean they don’t exist

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 24, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If they sucked that is ok.

El Duque, 2nd half 05’-1st half 06’ Count, Alexei, Minnie Minoso?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

No....I just threw those out as examples w/o

looking immediately who is an “A”…..etc. It’s not that I wouldn’t consider an A THOUGH….it depends who it is, our needs, fit….etc. So, ideally, no….certainly we wouldn’t want to lose the pick….but I wouldn’t totally rule it out.

by dantesox on Nov 24, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

So...Odalis Perez

I assume that signing would be a prelude to trading a veteran starter. I don’t see the Sox spending FA money just to fill the 5 spot.

So that’s sort of interesting.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

why not try to plug in

Poreda? I wouldn’t mind going cheap on pitching if we are bringing up guys like Poreda. I would rather see a guy with upside than someone like Perez. Spend that money elsewhere if your intentions are to trade Vazquez. Plus if you go with the rook, and say he sucks during the first half, you will be getting a healthy Count around that time (with a well rested arm).

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I am sure Perez has not been on Kenny’s “3 year board”.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

look on the line below clayton richard

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

line below clayton richard?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

on kenny's 3 year board

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Please explain...

I am high and I don’t really know where you are going with this?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm speaking about kenny's 3 year board dammit

no, I’m just pulling your leg

I don’t have access to kenny’s files!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you were...

I was thinking… there is no way… Clayton Richard showed me he can be a stud when he shut down TB in the biggest games of his life.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Could we live with this?? Really good defensively, pretty bad offensively.

infield
1b. Kong
2b. Betemit/Getz/Uribe
ss. A-Ram
3b. Uribe/Fields

defense and pitching wins championships.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

that isn't good defense

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No matter what fielding metrics say

Che impressed me for his rookie year defensively.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

the Chone projection says average up the middle

works for me.

but Konerko, Betemit and Fields are all butchers to varying degrees.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 24, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking maybe Uribe comes

back for insurance purposes… not sure Betemit plays 3b?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Some guesswork

I think the Sox are concerned about the economy are not planning to allow themselves luxuries like a $4M backup infielder. Given that Betemit has played 3 IF positions, I think he is, at the least, the replacement for Uribe.

I think Betemit will actually end up being the Sox primary 3B in 2009, although I think that will just sort of happen when Fields is traded/can’t hit MLB pitching and Dayan can’t hit MLB pitching.

The bench is going to be cheap this year I think. Which isn’t bad if decent AAAA are acquired/produced and attention is paid to platoon splits.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

All I was asking was whether Betemit played 3b....

Uri-be-gone

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 25, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Braves inquiring about Dye/Vazquez
Still, while the Reds aren’t seemingly willing to deal Harang, they will certainly listen to offers for Bronson Arroyo, who obviously isn’t going to create the same kind of pre-trade excitement as Peavy. But the trade cost would be substantially cheaper, and Arroyo is certainly capable of at least providing some veteran stability at the top of the rotation.

The same could be said of Javier Vazquez. Wren has said that he’s had multiple discussions with White Sox GM Kenny Williams, and you can be assured that the conversation has included both Vazquez and outfielder Jermaine Dye.

http://mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081123&content_id=3689648&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

add a ? at the end of my title

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Wiz,

Dye ain’t goin anywhere. At least I hope not.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 24, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Dye + Javy

For Kelly Johnson + Jair Jurrjens. Get it done!

by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 24, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry.

needs to include kotchman.

it's gonna be sweet with wise starting in center.

by larry on Nov 25, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

i've never heard him in white sox talk radio trade rumors before.

ergo, he sucks and should not be traded for. can i get a juan pierre up in this hizzie?

colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox

by larry on Nov 25, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

he's like a cross between Dustin Pedroia and David Eckstein

except he’s a little taller and much worse than both. He’s probably oozing grit out his tit, though.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 25, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

we call that colostrum

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 26, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

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