White Sox Off-Season Goal Becoming Clear
by The Cheat on Nov 25, 2008 11:34 PM CST
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PrintKenny Williams likes to keep his cards close to his chest, so it's never easy to know what he's thinking, or in which direction he's looking to take the makeup of the club. Add the highly questionable Nick Swisher trade to Williams' unpredictability and it's easy to understand why we've been at a loss for words much of this early off-season. As Lincoln said, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
A few leaks seem to be springing up surrounding the Sox, however, leading us to be able to draw some conclusions about their off-season intent. The Daily Herald's Barry Rozner gets Kenny to comment on his intent to trim payroll, which, if past quotes are to believed, wasn't maxed out in the past few seasons."First of all, it's a continuation of a plan to get younger that started two years ago," Williams said Monday from Arizona. "But secondly, this was going to be needed anyway as a result of the economy.
"We can't hide from it. At the end of the day, the bottom line is you can't spend a dollar if you only have 75 cents, and we're talking about millions here.
Leaving aside Williams' tried-and-true 50 cents statement--Now with 50% more quarters! Adjusted for inflation!--it seems clear that the Sox are looking at some belt-tightening moves this off-season. We've seen multiple headlines on ChiSox.com with the words "Youth" and "Movement" displayed in succession. At first, I thought it was just Merkin looking to fill space around some Chris Getz quotes at Halloween, but now he's also got some Ozzie Guillen quotes nearly a month later. Clearly, this story isn't going away. That means Jermaine Dye and/or Javier Vazquez are gone in addition to letting free agents Joe Crede, Juan Uribe and Orlando Cabrera walk.
Dye has already been connected to the Braves (among others), and Tuesday brought news that the White Sox have shopped him to the Reds as well. Their reported price of Homer Bailey plus something else meshes with Ken Rosenthal's statement that some teams (Mets, Phillies and Rays to be specific) are balking at the price.
I had to laugh at the off-the-record quote Rosenthal got from "one potentially interested executive."
[H]is team was concerned that Dye batted only .210 with runners in scoring position and two outs last season — 36 points below the American League average.
Which is about as relevant as complaining about Dye's shoe size--He needs big shoes!--and ignores a real issue; Dye might be the worst defensive RFer in baseball. It's OK though, with quotes like that, potentially interested executive might have well outed himself as the dumbest exec in baseball. His identity should be revealed when Juan Uribe is signed as a starting shortstop based on his .338 average w/RISP--92 points above league average!
Anyway, it appears the Sox plan is to use Dye, Vazquez, and maybe Bobby Jenks to acquire some more young pitching--hopefully better than Jeff Marquez--and, I assume, a true center fielder, where the word 'true' means fast.
Unfortunately for the Sox, Williams may have mistimed the market. The returns from the Swisher trade were, um, meager. Washignton got Josh Willingham and Scott Olson for a song. The Matt Holliday deal is the only one that seems like a proper return so far this off-season. Right now, it seems very much like a buyer's market, with teams overvaluing their own players and prospects, and choosing to wait out a cloudy free-agent picture.
The free agent market in particular has been unusually slow this year. Last year at this time we were getting daily updates on the Torii Hunter front, with the Angels swooping in as a surprise team and signing Hunter Thanksgiving weekend. They seem to be attempting to use that same attack on CC Sabathia this season, but otherwise no other big name free agents have drawn anything resembling a bidding war. I expect we'll see that at least until the winter meetings, and possibly as long as Christmas, a date by which many athletes (including Mark Teixeira) want to have their '09 plans solidified.
We may be in for a long, sometimes boring off-season, but for the first time since the Swisher trade we might be able to say we have an idea which direction the Sox are headed, even if we don't agree with it.
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I don't think the Sox are about to start signing FAs this year of all years...
Wasn’t there some stat about how long it had been since the Sox signed a FA no their own for more $25M or something?
I doubt the Sox are even interested in trading for a 1-year rental with high salary, given that they are trying to move Dye.
All signs point to the Sox surrounding AJ, Konerko, Thome, and Buehrle with a very young team. It probably won’t be a very good team either — this is pretty clearly written up as a rebuilding year. Sort of surprising, really.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
A full-on rebuild would require AJ, Konerko, Thome, etc. to be traded
I would think that the year to rebuild would be 2010, when AJ and Konerko are in their walk years, and Thome has already walked.
Unless KW can move Thome/Konerko this offseason (and not for peanuts), which could be a difficult task, that would be full-on rebuilding.
AJ has plenty of value, how many teams need catchers again?
I know that's a pisser, baby.
We can debate what it means to "rebuild"
But if the Sox go young at CF, LF, 3B, 2B and at 2 rotation spots that’s rebuilding in my book. It’s not like KW, apparently, is looking to fill holes with veterans — he wants to fill those holes with 3 year and less players it seems.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I would say - tweaking.
CF and 3B were basically holes last year anyways. Really only one rotation slot, that is if Vazquez departs (if there is a god).
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
young starter
to take count’s place until or if hes ever ready again.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Yeah, but he was out half of last year
so the “rebuilding” of that position has already begun.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
They may have been holes performance-wise
But they were filled by veteran players for the most part. In 2009 they will likely be filled by pretty young players. Depending on young players, some of whom are pretty marginal prospects, at 4 positions plus 2 rotations slots would make it hard to project the Sox as a playoff contender.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the rub
CF and 3B WEREN’T holes last year.
The Sox hit .264/.323/.442 from 3B with average-to-above average defense against a league average OPS of .765
In CF, they hit .238/.319/.415 about .10 points below league average OPS. I’ll allow you that Swisher was slightly below average in the field, but that was made up for by Anderson and Wise.
It looks to me like the Sox were marginally above average at 3B last year and marginally below average at CF—I don’t even know if you could say they were 1 win below average at those two spots combined—and in their current form they might be lucky to reach league average at either one of those positions.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
yeah that was by far the biggest hole
here’s hoping Paulie finds it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Nice analysis
But, it also depends on you definition of hole. In CF, if you are slightly below average – that could be considered a concern and a hole.
Though, after reading this I am surprised about 3B and thus my statement was incorrect.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
The "we're going young" rhetoric is setting this up, it appears.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Filling new holes
Trading Dye and Vazquez is an interesting move in that the Sox already lack a SP and an OF. It sounds like a young starter is targeted in at least one of the deals. And you could envision someone like Taveras coming back in the other. That still leaves the Sox short a SP and OF. I can see the Sox giving the ball to Marquez/Richard (even though I don’t understand how Marquez can be plucked from AFL obscurity and suddenly be on the cusp of the majors).
The other OF spot is a mystery to me. Is it Owens? Does Viciedo play the OF? I’ll be interested in seeing who ends up out there….
Quite frankly, I don't know what he's doing
And i am quite concerned
Dead weight sucks
"If my first child is a boy his name will now be "Chad". In the event my first child is a girl her name will be "Pennington".-Rzayo 24
I am pissed that they are raising my season tickets over 10%....
and trimming payroll.
Get used to it. Or don't buy.
Your choice – you can vote with your feet.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Don't forget they raised parking too.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
we'll see how this plays out
but i’m not sure this will really end up with “less” payroll in the sense of the real number. remember, the sox payroll was something like $121 million last year – but $11 million or so of that was money for cabrera and thome. unless they’re trimming both javy and dye, it’s going to be tough to come in much, if any, below that real number.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
Restoring the minor clubs
That’s what these moves entail. For once Kenny got his hands on a top 10 draft pick and he realized what happens when you get an impact player like Beckham. Match that with watching Tampa’s youngsters in the playoffs and you have a youth movement. Kenny realized that for the past few years, he destroyed his minor leagues to make huge trades happen. All of a sudden along come Danks/Floyd to go along with all of his top prospects gone at the end of the Swisher deal. He has learned that trading for NOW guys might end up kicking him in the butt.
Beckham isn't an impact player yet
Trading for NOW guys got KW 2 AL Central championships and a WS title. And Swisher was young enough that he could have been the now and future of the OF, which is one reason why trading him is such a puzzling
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I know Beckham isnt yet..
but I was basing that off the fact that KW loves how guys perform in the AFL.
Thanks Cheat. Great job, as per usual. And Happy Thanksgiving.
We shall see. Time will tell. Williams can deceive with the best of them.
One thing I think I learned from his approach last year. For economic reasons, he feels he needs to put what he considers a competitive team on the field. This is not the Chicago Cub franchise. If the Sox are bad and with the decrease in season ticket base (which I guess will continue in this debacle economy) and the crappy upper deck seating, the park will often be a quarter full. Maybe non-ticket revenues are large enough to make up for that in the short term, I don’t know.
I do know that he has a good plan and I’ve come to trust him.
Sox in 2009!
Shipping Dye...
Seems he has been the one constant the last few years. Although his range is horrible, there is always room on an AL team for a guy who can hit. He has been very professional, doesn’t draw attention to himself, and is probably a great locker-room / dugout leader. Probably has learned Spanglish.
Hoytsstash says keep Dye.
Moving both Swisher and Dye in one off-season……?
Too quote a Beatles “….strange days indeed!” (for you hoodie)
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
someone write this down.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Note Taken
Sig
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
cite the author
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 26, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Solo Lennon, to be accurate, HS.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I hear ya, WU. My keyboard is a bit off sometimes.....
Hence the “too” and the plural Beatles…
“to” and “Beatle”
most peculiar momma…whoa.
I’ve always favored George myself.
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
me too. While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a favorite.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I completely agree with it.
Just be patient Kenny. Trade Dye and Vazquez for sure and maybe Jenks.
But, wait until the FA’s and big names are gone for crying out loud. What’s the rush? Were you afraid that Jeff Marquez and Wilson Betemit would be off the market?
KENNY – HAVE PATIENCE, MAN!!!!!!!!!
He has taken your post under advisement.
But, he is still looking for a cup of coffee….can anyone out there get Kenny a cup of coffee??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
K-Dubs is fooling all of you...
He has something up his sleeve, he always does. He has a top flight rotation in the AL going into next year, we are not rebuilding. We may go younger but, I would be okay with Brian Anderson and/or Jerry Owens in center next year. Owens is “fast” but would be a huge high risk/high reward. He will be a very good defensive center fielder though. Brian… you never know what you are going to get from this guy. He has all the potential in the world but his bat reminds me too much of Uribe. If he can pull off getting a front line starter and put some young pieces around our core, with our pitching I believe we could contend. If they plan on keeping Konerko and Thome around for next year than those guys better have years like they did in 06’. If not we are in for a long season.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply actions
a center fielder and a leadoff hitter all in one.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
don't you have to "hit" to be a "hitter"?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
when he gets injured again and a god-like beast emerges in his wake.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
well would you rather have
Owens, Anderson, or Wise? That is the question.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Small samples on 2 of the 3. But I like Wise the best. Anderson has proven himself as a decent CFer....but only seems to swing a bat well if he is pinch-hitting in late innings. I hate watching Anderson bat.
My vote is with Wise. He reminds me of Willie Harris.
I’ve said this before, but I form a lot of opinions on players on gut and intuition (over stats)…and in the same way I sense Che will be fine at SS…I think Wise could be solid too.
I don’t think any of them are poised to be great CFers. I do think Anderson reads the ball the best of the three, but I don’t think that is something that can’t be taught or at least honed with off-season work.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I forgot about Wise...I guess he would starting LF with Dye gone
And Owens in CF. That plan wouldn’t really surprise me.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Thome could score
from second on a base hit all day to that OF.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Well smart guy
WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED PLAN AGAIN?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I believe it has something to do with
not letting Jerry Owens anywhere near his starting outfield.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Do not start Owens in CF....lets start there.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
SOOOOO.................................
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THERE MR. WILLIAMS?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
BA
Have the DH cover for Brian and the pitchers bat for themselves.
by onthemark12 on Nov 26, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
go on a NL site, troll.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Anderson
He actually can field and hit the ball out of the infield. Or I trade Dye or Vazquez for a CF or LF.
Owens has ZERO value to me. I would rather have Wise ride the bench and not waste a spot with Owens.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Bobby
what center fielder or left fielder do you want to trade for?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Now that is getting personal WTGTD
I don’t have a crystal ball or KW and other GM’s right in front of me at the moment – so hard to tell.
I would say about 90% of all CF’s and LF’s would be a better option than Owens. That is being conservative…I am throwing out about 10% that have sh*tty contracts that I wouldn’t want the Sox picking up.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
way to dance around the question
because you want KW to trade for this miracle 5 tool CF that leads off. That guy to my knowledge does not exist in anyone’s system at this point.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
2 tools would be better than Owens
Actually a box of used Craftsman wrenches would be better.
I am not dancing around the question…my point is Owens cannot and should not be our CF!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
You take any CF in the league that doesn’t have a bad contract and he’s better then Jerry Owens.. he’s not really dancing around the question. You don’t need to pick a specific name. They’ll all do over Owens.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I vote for the surprise emergence of John Shelby III
and platoon him with Rob Mackowiak
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 26, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I know of one named Grady Sizemore
but my guess is that the Indians will want to keep him around.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Nov 26, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Owens and Anderson....
what’s nothin’ times nothin’
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
I'm not stating what I'd like to see I'm trying to guess "the plan"
On the current roster, Owens is the easy favorite to start in CF. The Sox like him, that’ just unfortunately the way it is.
If the Sox are shopping Dye for a pitcher, they must have a plan to replace him. I think that plan is Wise at this point. Who else is there?
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
thank you for seeing why I brought this up.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
larry look past the stats
sometimes get up to the bigs and just get it. He has impressed me regardless of what you think of the guy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
"look past the stats"
to what. it’s not like he has tools, either. he’ll be 28 next year. he is what he is.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
If he can stay healthy,
maybe get on base a little bit and steal some bases I think he could be extremely valuable to this line up and team.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
unfortunately, he has shown no ability to do any of those at the level required of a major league player.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
Is Willy Tavarez a better option?
Please.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
you sure love red herring arguments.
who said anything about taveras
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
My point is who is the better option then?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
as pointed out above
there are numerous other options that are above replacement level performers, including one on the team already.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
BA is not an above replacement level player yet.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
larry he has more holes in his swing than Uribe (pre new batting stance which I pointed out a day before he changed it)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
that's nice.
thankfully one can make up such faults up in other areas of the game. like defense.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
and that worked so well for us in 06' right?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
BA is the reason
we did not make the playoffs in 06’.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
no. that's not true.
please try to back things up with facts. such as how BA and whoever else was in center managed to block a 5 win better player from playing for the white sox. it’s patently ridiculous to suggest that any one player not named barry bonds could have changed the outcome of the season.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
The team knew they could not win with
him in center field… so we got stuck with Rob.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
it leads to a team
that loses confidence because it is being held back by a couple of guys. including garland.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
(down the stretch)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
oh. right.
well, that’s certainly backed up by garland’s numbers. out of all the pitchers, you choose him? contreras? buerhle?
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
whatever larry im tired of getting ganged up on every time i open my mouth on here. peace
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
you should find some friends.
even if they’re only internet “friends” who support you out of fear.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
It's B-Mac's fault
He lost 7 games. That could have been the difference!!
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 26, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Owens
he has no arm and can’t hit the ball out of the infield. He is at best a pinch runner.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
He CAN hit it out of the infield.
He CANNOT hit it to the outfielders, they HAVE to run in to pick up his ground balls. I saw it time and time again in ’07.
Sox in 2009!
I stand corrected
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
he has 3 tools
baserunning skills and speed, fielding abilities, and a tool.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
where are you getting this fielding abilities?
He has one tool.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Did you watch any games in 07?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Did he play?
This deja vu thing is creeping me out.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
2008 was all a dream
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Phew!
I had this nightmare that my 401K was drained and some old white fart and a black guy were running for President.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
actually, he does not have baserunning skills.
and, while he does have speed, he does not have basestealing skills either. his historical rates are below what is beneficial and his results after his injury last year are even worse. there is no reason to expect him to contribute in this regard.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
WTGTD
what did you find most impressive about Owens, his inability to put down a bunt or his inability to pull a major league fastball?
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
He can field and has speed.
He can steal a base and disrupt pitchers. KW likes him a lot better than anyone on this site AND he will probably be our starting center fielder next year if healthy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
If by field you mean he fields like Smalls in the Sandlot
Sure he can catch it, but he has to run it back into the shortstop.
by onthemark12 on Nov 26, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
well then people should stop giving KW the benefit of the doubt
bc he can’t steal first, not only that, he’s 28 and will only get slower from here on in. Guys like Owens lose it incredibly quickly.
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
right, if Owens was 22 or 23, I might agree with you
but at this point, I’d rather have Anderson if no other moves are made.
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Who is our lead off hitter then?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Who cares
Is the first at-bat of the game that important to you?
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
because we won a world series when we had one.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
we also had 4 shut down relievers who
had more to do with winning it than Scotty Pods leading off
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Politte? Cotts?
Vizcaino? Hermanson? Jenks? It wasn’t the fact that our team had an identity right? People knew their roles and over achieved but it worked. We could steal some bases and put some pressure on the other team even though we had a so-so offense.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah go ahead and take a look at
Politte, Cotts, Hermanson and Jenks’ numbers from that year. Politte and Cotts were doing their best Eckersely impression that year and Hermanson was untouchable the first 5 months. If it makes you all warm and rosy to think Tadahito played so well because he knew his role than who I am to tell you otherwise.
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by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
:)
:)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, all those guys.
Look at the numbers. That team had great pitching and hit a bunch of HRs. Pods was useful when he got on at a .360 clip for half season. His stolen bases were almost irrelevant to the team’s success. Examine how the team scored it runs. It was a power team.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
a power team that had the ability to go 1st to 3rd.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
no doubt they had great pitching
but in close games they could score in a variety of ways…. seeeeeeeeeeee?????
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I heard that
back-to-back-to-back-to-back complete games doesn’t hurt either.
by onthemark12 on Nov 26, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Our leadoff hitter
leads off, typically once a game.
Getz would be a fine choice if he wins 2B job.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
This obsession of yours for a lead-off hitter is getting a tad awkward
and for the record, I would like to build a time machine and bring back Rickey Henderson from 1990 and make him the Sox lead off hitter.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 26, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
well now that steroid testing is more
stringent, the game has taken a path back to the 90’s style of play.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
what was getz' obp in the minors?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
.366 in 08
.382 in 07
Owens was .346 in 08.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
well shit!
we have brian roberts on our team already!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Are you hitting the punch early WTGTD?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
wake n bake
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
popeyes chicken run
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
The picture is now complete.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Ok FINE
WHO do you want in cf next year then?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
remember we have no one that currently
has the ability to lead off.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I just split my head open.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Why can Owens lead off but Chris Getz can’t? I’ll take Chris Getz any day over Jerry Owens.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
i just said in an above post that I did not know
Brian Roberts was on our team already.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Had I known Curtis Granderson was in CF
I wouldn’t have suggested Chris Getz.
Neither is proven, but one is younger, plays better defense and has a better track record. The other guy is Jerry Owens.
BA starts in CF if the season starts today.. not Owens.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 26, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Because he hasn't
proven he can play at a major league level yet. Wait…
by onthemark12 on Nov 26, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Layup question of the millennium.
Sox in 2009!
And by the way,
what happened to that 5/75 they were going to give Hunter last year?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Swisher spent it at the hair salon...
That’s just one reason why that guy is gone.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
seriously
anyone?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
it went into the stock market
it is now the 1 mil the sox are now paying betemit
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Nov 26, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
RISP
I think I know who the mystery GM is. i heard an interview with Jim Hendry last season where he talked about how the Cubs focus on RISP as an indicator of talent. seriously, he really said it.
Hendry
Shouldn’t he be worried about how his team performed in big games. That was one situation where the Cubs got rocked. Maybe he focuses only on RISP against a meager NL Central division.
do you say "CLUTCH"?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
RISP - what a load of bollocks
I can’t believe that people still think that this statistic has some sort of validity in assessing hitters.
number one when it mattered!
Hahaha.
Nice.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 26, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
no. you were right the 1st time.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
yeah
this thread has been pock marked by stupid.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
go fuck yourself shitmouth.
All you guys have these great ideas but you never share any of them. I think I know why… because you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
it is not my fucking idea
Did I draft JO? He is an option on a team with not many options. He provides more upside to the team if he can lead off or bat 9th and bring some fucking speed to this team.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
explain to me how this speed translates into runs.
which seems to be the point of baseball, unless the rules have been changed.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
Runs scored via speed are morally superior than those scored by plodding HR hitters
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
do they count differently?
I just sewed my head back together and now you made the stitches break. I thought you were leaving for Popeye’s?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
watching bases loaded base hits turn into 1 run.
sox -1 potential run
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
there seems to be a priori issue.
namely getting on second base in such a situation.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
Jerry Owens was not drafted good sir,
but rather acquired in exchange for one Alex Escobar’s services.
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
plus JO has a supercool afro
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Monsignor!
The torch is thusly passed.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
FWIW larry shared his offseason plan
And it was good…I thought.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I saw it...
flawed but he was the only one with an overwhelming opinion to state his offseason plan. I have a problem with people who have a problem with me when they don’t even know what they want.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
colin (you know, the guy you replied to saying he never shared any ideas?)
also kind of made multiple front page posts about this stuff.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
I was actually talking about BSs
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
So this all goes back to me
I think you are upset that I think JD is a terrible fielder, and you do not.
I also think you are upset that I said Owens is a sh*tty option in CF.
I never came on here stating that this is my offseason plan. I am just stating that your Owens suggestion in CF isn’t a good one and you took offense to it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
colingus
is just a jerk off.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
You sound like me wife!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
If you fuck yourself in the shitmouth, would it kinda be like having anal sex?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
like ass to mouth?
j/k
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Since when
have rumored KW trades resulted in actual trades? yes he said Swish was not gonna be everyday CF. But that left many different possibilities. And there weren’t Swish to Yankees rumors 1-2 weeks before anything happened.
Trying to read tea leaves with KW is a fool’s errand. I’m comfortable with the idea that I don’t know which way KW is going. I’ll just watch and see.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
but as of right now we have 3 options for center field.
and none of them are really that good. so something has to happen.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
not high reward
huge high reward
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
we're going to get erstad back
we need more grinders.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
no were all about young grinders now
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
ok
then we’ll trade JD for Freel, hes grindy.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
at least
we have getz
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
This is like TV rerun season.
Just filling air time. GD it, at least come up with new ideas, SoB. It took 3 years to finally be rid of the “start BA” camp. Now JO is the CF du jour? Fer Chrissakes. Why not list Jordan Danks as long as we are being ridiculous? Or che, and we’ll have DV at short, WB at 3rd? I mean, why not?
At least it’ll be something we haven’t ground into the dirt for 14 months or so.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
omfg
go re read all the posts. IT IS NOT MY IDEA TO START JO, ALL I SAID WAS THAT HE WILL PROBABLY BE THE STARTING CF NEXT YEAR AS WE STAND HERE TODAY AND EVERY FUCK ON THIS BOARD HAD TO PUT THEIR 2 CENTS IN BEFORE READING THE CONTEXT OF THE POST.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
SO EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT JO
GO MOAN TO YOUR GM IF YOU DONT LIKE THE IDEA.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
i think people are more disputing that there's some sort of high reward attached to owens.
at least that’s what i’m disputing. i’ve already said on here that i think it’s better than 50-50 that he’s starting.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
SO GO BITCH TO KW
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A CHANCE OF REWARD IF HE IS STILL IN BASEBALL.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
REPLIED TO LARRY BSS
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 26, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Bachelor of Science and Stuff
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
REPLIED TO WTGTD WIZ
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 26, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
MY HEAD HURTS
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I just joined the soiree
and my ear has already begun to bleed.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 26, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Your life would have been better to never have found this thread. :-)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
hsa
am I really being that big of a d-bag? All I stated is that the guy KW is looking for may already be in the organization.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
dooooood. My response was to OG...had nothing to do with yous.
But yes, I find you to be a dbag, as long as the question is out there.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
And I should clarify....
I don’t base your (or anyone’s) douchebaggery on an opinion you possess over rosters, or anything else. I am open to the idea that everyone has their own thoughts.
Your douchebaggery comes from the manner in which you present your thoughts, and your inability to remain calm when things are not going your way…and some of the things you say in these times…
We tried to coach SSH on the same idea – but you saw how he took our advice, and where it led. So adapt, or just restrain from puking all over here when you are upset. It’s best to internalize sometimes.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
I know you do, hoodie. I know you do.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
If you like guys in their late 20's, sure,
KenWo is available, if I hear correctly.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
maybe reward for him.
“organizational player”. “fifth outfielder”. “replacement level”. these are terms one can utilize to describe a player such as owens. he’s 28. he is what he is. if you need a bench player, he’s a fine enough choice. starting him, however, is, as you pointed out half correctly, high risk.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
THAT IS FINE
I DON’T RUN THE FUCKING TEAM LARRY… AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 3 GUYS TO CHOSE FROM. HE IS ONE OF THEM.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I am shock. I thought this was KW.
My apologies.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I see somebody is thankful for the Caps Lock key this holiday
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
larry I forgot that you were the best
evaluator of talent that has ever lived. This guy, like Fields, was going to start this past year.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, the Swish trade WAS rumored...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/white-sox-shopp.html
Nov. 5th
Swisher to Yankees talk started
Nov. 13th
Swisher traded to Yankees
by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 26, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's a good thing
not to over reach in terms of the money you spend in the current climate. Holding back this season is probably more important for the long term strength of the club.
number one when it mattered!
Too many factors to say yes or no
to this. If you have the money to spend and their are some bargains out there, why not buy now when the climate is low? That all could change next year.
Kenny’s 75 cents this year might actually get 90 cents on a player. But, next year the 75 cents might only be worth 75 cents again and everyone else will have a dollar. Thus, buying low – while locking in for the long-term would be better off for the club than buying in a sellers market and getting reamed like the Giants did in the Zito contract.
See what I mean? Have I had too much coffee?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
If KW sells low enough on enough players
maybe we can set the market rate? I knew there was some logic behind moving Swish.
Juan Rivera
If JD gets traded for someone other than an a MLB ready OF’er – how about signing Rivera to a short 2 year, $6-8 million contract to man LF?
When he has had the opportunity to play, he has performed relatively well.
Just an idea.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
what the fuck bobby.
you’re supposed to be the assclown who doesn’t provide his own plan.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
no talent assclown
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Oh sh*t sorry
I forgot my role again.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Who backstops this site?
Selig? JR? KW? larry? Cheat?
It’s an indifferent universe here on the ’net.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Toby Hall? I think
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
If WTGTD would lay down his peace pipe and get with the program, we wouldn’t be in this god forsaken predicament.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS LARRY
THIS IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE HE HAS SHOWN ALL OFF-SEASON. BOBBY WANTS TO TRADE EVERYONE ON THE TEAM BUT HE DOESN’T KNOW FOR WHO. WHAT THE FUCK?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
You remind me of John Goodman in the Big Lebowski
Secondly, when did I say trade the whole team? I said it wouldn’t be a bad idea to trade Dye, considering his value is high and he one of the few pieces that would bring something back in return.
Don’t trade him to trade him.
I have also mentioned that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to trade Vazquez, who will have zero confidence in Chicago. Jenks also, if the return is right, but that is doubtful.
Trade high. I wasn’t in agreement with the Swisher trade as his value is low and the return shows that. But, there were other factors involved apparently that weren’t just from on the field.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
calmer than you are.
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
GD*ammit Donnie
Nobody asked you Donnie, Donnie just shut the f’ up!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
(that was a Walter quote, by the way...don't want it to be misinterpreted).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
THIS IS THE SAME SHIT I WENT THROUGH WHEN
DEBATING WITH YOU KNUCKLEHEADS WHEN EVERYONE HERE WAS SO HIGH ON FIELDS, THAT CREDE WOULD START THE SEASON. I WAS RIGHT. I WENT THROUGH SIMILAR SHIT WHEN I SAID WE WOULD WIN THE DIVISION. I WAS RIGHT AGAIN. SO ALL OF YOU CAN KISS MY MOTHER FUCKING ASS. APPARENTLY ALL OF THE KNOW IT ALLS DON’T KNOW SHIT.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions
I'm sorry, did you say something?
Can’t hear you.
;) Lighten up, it’s almost Thanksgiving. Give a shout out to Dr. Nick for me.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I don't think everyone is usually as "High" as you are.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
smoke less pot.
way less.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I think he needs to smoke more with this
caps lock tirade he’s on.
Doesn't pot fuel paranoia, though?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Only in the people who don't smoke it regularly.
(everyone who I’ve known it to have that effect on, never touch the stuff for that sole reason).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
My English was all messed up there.
People who get paranoid from dope typically don’t smoke dope.
There.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
EAT SHIT COLIN
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
JUST TIRED OF THE BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS
OVER NOTHING.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
... which I will no perpetuate with a series of explicatives in permanent UPPERCASE
AIM: SouthSideCheat
THIS IS A LONELY PLACE FOR ME OBVIOUSLY
I AM TIRED OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSELF OVER AND OVER WHEN THE POINTS ARE LOUD AND CLEAR.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Points like Jerry Owens being a
“very good defensive center fielder”?
p.s. I think people are taking issue half with what you’re saying, half with the way you’re saying it. But I dig the caps lock.
CAPS ARE USED WHEN SCREAMING ONLINE CORRECT?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
THATS THE WAY HE TALKS!
LIKE SAMUEL L JACKSON!
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 26, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Least chill stoner I've ever encountered (even if virtually)....I'd be surprised if he's ever even touched the stuff.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
NO THIS IS "KNOW IT ALL" FUELED.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE CONSISTENTLY PUTTING WORDS INTO MY FUCKING MOUTH. LIKE I CAME ON HERE AND SAID JERRY OWENS IS THE NEXT GRADY SIZEMORE?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
you're right. this is actually what you wrote.
Grady Sizemore is the nxet Jerry Owens. Go fuck yourself, Toonderstroke.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" – wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 9, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
NICE
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Who said that?
You said he had 3 tools, I counted only 1.
You said he had high reward? Most of us didn’t see any.
You asked what I would do…I said I wouldn’t start JO in CF.
Those are exactly what were stated….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
AND ONE OF THOSE 3 TOOLS I SAID WAS HIS OWN TOOL YOU DUMB FUCK.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
DEFENSE AND SPEED/BASERUNNING
I COUNT 2
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think there's general disagreement
as to the defense aspect
I ALSO SAID CREDE WOULD START FOR THE WHITE SOX DURING THE 08 SEASON....
GO BACK AND SEARCH WHAT HAPPENED THEN….
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
*NEXT
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
missing point?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Where do you get this defense tool for JO?
He isn’t a good baserunner either.
Speed, I’ll give you that.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I WATCH THE GAMES
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I heard that.
But, watching the games with a bong attached to your lips is probably the cause for a lot of incorrect evaluation of talent on your part.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
so do professional scouts
who are certainly wrong with some frequency. there’s no reason at all to be convinced totally merely by what you see.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
objective measures say he isn't good at those things.
and is certainly not well above average, which he would need to be as an all-D no-O CF.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
You need a turkey enema
and fast.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
WTGTD
IS BURNING!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions
This never occured to me as a possibility
2:33
[Comment From SSRon]
I really think Pedro Martinez would be a great fit for the White Sox, he’s Ozzie’s kind of guy and shouldn’t be very expensive at all. What do you think?
2:33
That’s a fun idea. One the right one-year deal I dont see why not.
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
All I could come up with is that he's latin cause I don't see Pedro as a speedy leadoff hitter.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
the pattern of late has been to dump/doghouse anyone with a bit of life in them.
maybe the latin thing is there but methinks pedro provides too many good quotes (and is too often injured, ineffective, and incapable of getting past the fifth) for ozzie. but i’d do it. of course, i like guys like BA, swisher, hall and cabrera.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
"i like guys like BA, swisher, hall and cabrera"
You realize that this makes you a communist, don’t you?
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
I've thought about him in the '05 El Duque role
but that kinda assumes Javy is gone and he’s signed for a song (something like 1/$6-7M w/ a $10-12M option).
AIM: SouthSideCheat
too much pride
not enough innings. of course, they could pay him that much to come in during the playoffs in a bases loaded, no out situation.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 26, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
That was my thought - it would be like signing Clemens for a 5th starter role
or middle reliever. El Duque is mature and knows he will not be in the HOF. He’s just happy to be playing ball, not concerned with his standing in the history of baseball.
Doubtful he’s a fit.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Um,
the El Duque role to which I was referring was the 5th starter, who would undoubtedly be hurt as some point during the season, giving way to top prospect (Poreda).
AIM: SouthSideCheat
brandon mccarthy worked out pretty well for us
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
That's true
If Poreda = McCarthy = Danks, I’m okay with that.
Gotta love the transitive property.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
What, Massett is chopped liver?
Do not forget the Law Of Massett, Hazy.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
How soon I forget!
How was your day of feasting sir?
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
Very nice - no verbal fisticuffs, which is saying something
in my house when the in-laws square off.
Yours?
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Also pleasant
It was my first with the new girlfriend’s family. Spent it in Milwaukee @ her sister’s. Nice family, though her brother-in-law is about as worthless as they come.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
nice tagline!
I think it would be a possibility.
I’d rather not have the old, injury prone, 1-year rental type taking up a rotation spot unless we don’t have someone young to plug in. (depending on offseason moves)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
he's in the same vein as The Unit
but with far fewer IP. makes the same kind of sense. Richard and Poreda will be as ready as they’re going to be for 2009 by June.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Vein? The (Big) Unit?
Come to Suffragette City, colin. And bring your Getz interview, will you?
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I grow tired of the whoa is me KW crap all the time. 11% ticket increase but yet payroll will be cut.
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68822&pid=1800305&st=15&#entry1800305
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if that's actually true, i'd be pissed too.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
assumes the white sox made money last year, doesn't it, to mention just one assumption.
what’s the payroll look like from 2006 onwards? what does attendance look like from 2006 onwards?
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i mean i understand that this is a business
i just sympathize with the hoi
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
"hoi"? Would you clue me in?
(Sorry to sound positively hoodie-ish, but help an OPOS out, will ya?)
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Old news. Someone else posted the ticket increase, larry posted the 75 cents quote,
(supposedly means there is 50% more money than last year) and we’re all postulating about payroll (larry thinks it won’t really decrease much). Tilting at windmills, except for the ticket increase, which has been disseminated.
“Whoa” is “woe”, anyway, nicht war?
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
that's why i posted it.
i can just see KW saying “whoa is me.”
visit www.southsidesox.com/superspecial to become a member of the exclusive SSS forum to which WTGTD will never be admitted.
Yeah, he's constantly "reigning" himself in.
:)
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
whoa
I’m dizzy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
At least your head hasn't exploded yet.
I believe SoB’s blood pressure got the best of him. CSI is now cleaning up the mess and trying to find out what happened. I’ll bet once they clear the computer screen of foreign matter they’ll be contacting Cheat for an explanation.
CSI Forensic Guy: “Sir, did Mr. oB have any history of histrionics or screaming fits?”
Cheat: “Not to my knowledge, sir.”
CSI: “Did he have a propensity to type in all caps?”
Cheat: “I’ll have to speak with my attorney, mr. larry, before I comment.”
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Nov 26, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Classic!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 26, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
no way that would occur.
i’ve never seen one of these shows where someone actually asks for and waits for an attorney before being questioned and ultimately confessing.
visit www.southsidesox.com/superspecial to become a member of the exclusive SSS forum to which WTGTD will never be admitted.
i like it best when the attorney just sits there and lets it happen.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
They're already at $96M without the arb-eligible and near-minimum guys
Bobby’s gonna get $5+M at arb
Betemit’s gonna get about $2M
Add in about $3M in near-minimums and you’re at $106M, which is just below what their (functional) payroll last year.
If anything, they’re setting up for ’10 when Q!, Danks and Floyd all reach arbitration (getting huge pay raises) and Jenks could be looking at an 8-figure per annum salary at arb.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
i think it's more likely we'll see Q and Danks locked up this offseason than anything.
obviously predicting what the team is going to look like by March before Thanksgiving is pretty damn hard with Kenny, but he’s certainly making overtures about standing pat. I try to look at the things he says as marketing whatever the team is going to look like, regardless of actual talent.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I'd love to see Danksy and Q locked up for 3-5 years.
And if we are pedestrian in ’09 so we can set up properly for Becks/Poreda/DV/et. al. in 2010, so be it.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
2010 possibilities, based on what's in the org.
C AJ/Armstrong
1B Allen
2B Beckham
3B Viciedo/Fields/Betemit
SS Alexei
LF Q!
CF Danks/Shelby
RF (Why did we trade Swish again?)
DH Paulie
Viciedo could certainly be in RF, 1B or DH, depending on how his fielding scouts out. Paulie and AJ will be replacement level there I think and I’m sure Kenny’s aware of that. We need another corner OF and a C. Kenny has two bullets left in Dye and Vazquez. Also: obviously, there’s going to be some attrition here. The system still needs more ready-to-play types if 2010 is the end game.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Pitching, DB. Look at the pitching.
Our strength for the last, oh, 4-5 years will persist into 2010. So quit whining like a bitch.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
you cant just blindly think.......
that Armstrong, Viciedo, Fields, Danks, Allen, Shelby and Beckham are all going to be good. It will not happen. You have to supplement your young players with proven players from other rosters.
If going young was what equals winning the Pirates would have won 10 championships by now. Sure the Rays got into the playoffs after 10 years of getting the first pick in the draft. I do not want to go 10 years in last place before our next playoff appearance.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Can you perhaps pick somewhere in the middle between
“10” and “1” year? Fer Chrissakes, did you predict the ‘08 season results when looking at the team before last winter’s meetings? No? Neither did I. What changed? KW worked a few great deals, the youngsters performed magnificently, and the old guys rubbed out a few key plays in a few key situations. Oh, and the experienced SP’s did exactly what was expected of them (yeah, that includes Count getting injured), and the relievers did what they were paid to do – mostly locked it down.
I never said all the effin’ young guys would become All-Stars. We now have a great deal more depth (and trading chits) than we did at the end of ‘07. It’s why I’m more hopeful this offseason than last, and will probably be even more hopeful a year from now, when some of the payroll is gone and we have more flexibility.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Pitching?
Ok…. Buehrle has been on and off the last few years, Floyd and Danks have had one nice year, Vazquez is being stupidly ran out of town, Poreda hasn’t thrown a pitch in the league yet the SSS community think he is the next Steve Carlton, the bullpen was awfully shaky yet everyone is in favor of trading Jenks and are ready to make Matt Thornton their closer who has never done it before….. Sure the pitching looks ok right now. 2010 is a long way away.
Kenwo4life=ratings
You are correct - 2010 is miles away.
So don’t get your undies in a bundle over the youth we do or don’t have. Lots to happen before then. But at least some talent to watch develop. If we were going to discuss Broadway, Owens, and Fields all winter long again I think I would’ve Arbuckled myself.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
fucking. dumb.
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
yep. Ozzie says that every time he passes something reflective.
“Whoa! Is me!”
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Tales of Whoa
The Joey Lawrence Autobiography.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 26, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Foreword by Keanu Reeves
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I would LOL if I didn't know it bothered you so much. :D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah! Maybe he shouldn't make us laugh out loud if he didn't want us to say so!!
Get your own site, Jim!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
you're sig has the entry page wrong
http://www.southsidesox.com/pages/superspecial
AIM: SouthSideCheat
fixed
visit http://www.southsidesox.com/pages/superspecial to become a member of the exclusive SSS forum to which WTGTD will never be admitted.
AWW
TOO FUCKING BAD… I GUESS I WILL JUST HAVE TO DRINK MY SORROWS TONIGHT AWAY AT SOME BAR.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
BLACKOUT WEDNESDAY
WTGTD wakes up on Thanksgiving morning wondering “Why is there a bottle of Corona in my ass?”
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Nov 26, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Arbuckle?! And you complained about aged references when I brought up Jackie Mason?
by hitlesswonder on Nov 26, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Arbuckle is classic only because
I don’t believe there has ever been another public story about a bottle being wedged in a private area where someone famous was involved. In all of recoreded history.
Hell, even you knew it! You POS! You made my point for me!
:)
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
because my girl is a kinky ho
;P
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
IT...IS...ALIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Anybody watching CL atm?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
who would have guessed that chelsea outclasses bordeaux?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
wow, that's really poor form.
83rd minute on a corner? c’mon.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i caught the last half hour
chelsea looked to be the superior squad, but was not on its game. it was a pretty fun match to take in though.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Anelka's goal
was good, a great finish, the main thing when you go away in the CL is not to get beat, so job done for Chelsea.
number one when it mattered!
Hoodlight,
Lived in Northumberland for just over a year.
Didn’t quite understand “football” until I ran into a guy that used to play for Sunderland while there.
Still don’t quite get it, but I watch it.
Spent most of the year there in Ovingham.
You familiar with those parts?
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
it's not far from me
where I live, but no I’m not familiar with Nrothumberland at all, but it’s interesting that you would end up there, did you enjoy it? I ask because it’s seen as a bit rural, after all it’s not London, or even Leeds.
number one when it mattered!
Very rural...
People were great. Spent time in Hexham, Seaham, and Newcastle as well.
Beautiful country up there. Travelled back and forth from Edinburgh. Good people, good beer. One of the most enjoyable years of my travels.
Lake District…….very cool
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
it makes me laugh
that our island is so small but whenever Americans visit the Lakes or the Yorkshire Dales national parks, they love how beautiful it is. And you have all that land!
Stephen Fry, (an English raconteur) has been doing a great TV prog travelling round the states and I’ve loved watching it.
My request for a Visa to come to the USA got rejected because of my criminal record, so I now have an appeal hearing at the US Embassy in January, but I’m not hopeful.
ho hum and all that
number one when it mattered!
Hoodie -
the shirt is going out Friday. Let me know if it doesn’t arrive in 5-7 days or so.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
wait a minute
hoodie gets a shirt and SSS vet bhoov doesn’t? I didn’t say anything when larry and toonder and chiburb got theirs, but shipped overseas too! It must have been my left wing leanings/ right wing teasing. :-)
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
You got the e-mail address.
I have one more to give. Do your research, bhoov…
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
You were nice when you wanted one, too.
I haven’t sent it yet, mate.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I got one too, don't forget. Actually, I got two, and hand-delivered one to the old fart.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but he's asleep by now....and probably too scared to come back into this debacle of a thread.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
hoodie...
Any good football blogs (team oriented or otherwise) that you could point me to? It’s tough enough having to try and keep up from the States and in my limited searching, finding a good blog has been difficult as well.
I’ve also been been following Leeds (as much as I can — tough to follow the EPL, much less the lower divisions) — looks like they’re doing reasonably well. Think they’ll be good enough to get back into the Championship next season?
haha
well if you really want a good Leeds Utd blog then WACCOE is very good. I think you have to register now, but it will be fun for you to see a very parochial sports blog from England, in much the same way that I enjoy being on here.
League 1 is very competitive but the players are not very good, I guess in Baseball terms it’s like AA or AAA and not many of them would be replacement level in terms of the EPL. Having said that we have a player called Fabian Delph who is being courted by all the top teams, only 19 years old and the best player in the team by a mile.
I think we will just about do it, but there are a few problems with the defence that need sorting out.
cheers!
number one when it mattered!
In the medium-to-long-term, though, don't they have at least a somewhat decent chance of getting back to top flight?
I mean they seem to have the makings of a team that should be in the top flight (I know that up until a relatively short time ago they were) club. By that I mean their stadium seems to completely outclass most other League 1 squads (correct me if I’m wrong, I think it’s bigger than even some EPL teams — Fulham’s home place comes to mind) and — although this is more of a guess than anything — it seems their fan-base is bigger than your average team.
I’ll keep an eye on that Leeds blog — thanks for the hook-up.
yes of course
we are by far the biggest team in League 1, and will be the biggest team in the Championship too when we get promoted.
There are only 3 teams in England that are ‘bigger’, even though It’s a very subjective term. Manchester Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the only ones with a history better than ours.
number one when it mattered!
and the big problem
with general football blogs is the hatred that people have for each others teams. Having said that though www.football365.com is a good source.
number one when it mattered!
WIGAN!!!!!
at least we’re outta the drop zone
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
SSS
GET RID OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MOST SENSE AND TURN OUT BEING RIGHT 90% OF THE TIME. TM.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
WTGTD
ENDLESS SHOUTING AND NOT DEFENDING HIS ASSERTION THAT JERRY OWENS HAS HIGH REWARD POTENTIAL.
TM.
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 26, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
DOOD...
WTGTD IS ALWAYS RIGHT WHY DO YOU DOUBT HIM
ASSHOLE
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 26, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said jerry owens has high reward potential because he can fill a huge hole for us cf/leadoff hitter with speed.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 26, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about his "man-hood" and being able to fill huge holes... however
I really would like to know what him playing leadoff is based on – its hard to steal 1st. And CF, is he even average. Seems to me he was just learning the position in ’07 – though he does have that cannon of an arm
Don't look back because we are going forward!
SSS
it’s the blog that rings your doorbell every time you sit down for a shit, it’s the blog that has found a lump on it’s testicles but would rather die than go to a lady doctor, it’s the blog that once wanked into it’s granny’s handbag in a moment of madness, it’s the blog that got socks for Christmas yet still managed to smile convincingly at it’s mum, it’s the blog that ate a full packet of mints during the physics lesson then shat itself on the way home and threw it’s pants into a bush, it’s the blog that once had a girlfriend who shoved a hairbrush..
I’m off to bed
see ya
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 26, 2008 8:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
well, I'd say that sums it up.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 26, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
What's the chance
of signing Furcal and Ramirez moving to center?
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
i take a few days off on medical leave and everyone hates everybody
I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
medical leave?? your wisdom teeth? ha!
i hate you, kenny.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 27, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
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