White Sox Off-Season Goal Becoming Clear
Kenny Williams likes to keep his cards close to his chest, so it's never easy to know what he's thinking, or in which direction he's looking to take the makeup of the club. Add the highly questionable Nick Swisher trade to Williams' unpredictability and it's easy to understand why we've been at a loss for words much of this early off-season. As Lincoln said, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
A few leaks seem to be springing up surrounding the Sox, however, leading us to be able to draw some conclusions about their off-season intent. The Daily Herald's Barry Rozner gets Kenny to comment on his intent to trim payroll, which, if past quotes are to believed, wasn't maxed out in the past few seasons."First of all, it's a continuation of a plan to get younger that started two years ago," Williams said Monday from Arizona. "But secondly, this was going to be needed anyway as a result of the economy.
"We can't hide from it. At the end of the day, the bottom line is you can't spend a dollar if you only have 75 cents, and we're talking about millions here.
Leaving aside Williams' tried-and-true 50 cents statement--Now with 50% more quarters! Adjusted for inflation!--it seems clear that the Sox are looking at some belt-tightening moves this off-season. We've seen multiple headlines on ChiSox.com with the words "Youth" and "Movement" displayed in succession. At first, I thought it was just Merkin looking to fill space around some Chris Getz quotes at Halloween, but now he's also got some Ozzie Guillen quotes nearly a month later. Clearly, this story isn't going away. That means Jermaine Dye and/or Javier Vazquez are gone in addition to letting free agents Joe Crede, Juan Uribe and Orlando Cabrera walk.
Dye has already been connected to the Braves (among others), and Tuesday brought news that the White Sox have shopped him to the Reds as well. Their reported price of Homer Bailey plus something else meshes with Ken Rosenthal's statement that some teams (Mets, Phillies and Rays to be specific) are balking at the price.
I had to laugh at the off-the-record quote Rosenthal got from "one potentially interested executive."
[H]is team was concerned that Dye batted only .210 with runners in scoring position and two outs last season — 36 points below the American League average.
Which is about as relevant as complaining about Dye's shoe size--He needs big shoes!--and ignores a real issue; Dye might be the worst defensive RFer in baseball. It's OK though, with quotes like that, potentially interested executive might have well outed himself as the dumbest exec in baseball. His identity should be revealed when Juan Uribe is signed as a starting shortstop based on his .338 average w/RISP--92 points above league average!
Anyway, it appears the Sox plan is to use Dye, Vazquez, and maybe Bobby Jenks to acquire some more young pitching--hopefully better than Jeff Marquez--and, I assume, a true center fielder, where the word 'true' means fast.
Unfortunately for the Sox, Williams may have mistimed the market. The returns from the Swisher trade were, um, meager. Washignton got Josh Willingham and Scott Olson for a song. The Matt Holliday deal is the only one that seems like a proper return so far this off-season. Right now, it seems very much like a buyer's market, with teams overvaluing their own players and prospects, and choosing to wait out a cloudy free-agent picture.
The free agent market in particular has been unusually slow this year. Last year at this time we were getting daily updates on the Torii Hunter front, with the Angels swooping in as a surprise team and signing Hunter Thanksgiving weekend. They seem to be attempting to use that same attack on CC Sabathia this season, but otherwise no other big name free agents have drawn anything resembling a bidding war. I expect we'll see that at least until the winter meetings, and possibly as long as Christmas, a date by which many athletes (including Mark Teixeira) want to have their '09 plans solidified.
We may be in for a long, sometimes boring off-season, but for the first time since the Swisher trade we might be able to say we have an idea which direction the Sox are headed, even if we don't agree with it.
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Wouldn't the moves be belt-loosening?
As in, more room to work with.
by Daniel Berlyn on
Nov 26, 2008 12:09 AM CST
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I don't think the Sox are about to start signing FAs this year of all years...
Wasn’t there some stat about how long it had been since the Sox signed a FA no their own for more $25M or something?
I doubt the Sox are even interested in trading for a 1-year rental with high salary, given that they are trying to move Dye.
All signs point to the Sox surrounding AJ, Konerko, Thome, and Buehrle with a very young team. It probably won’t be a very good team either — this is pretty clearly written up as a rebuilding year. Sort of surprising, really.
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 1:05 AM CST
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A full-on rebuild would require AJ, Konerko, Thome, etc. to be traded
I would think that the year to rebuild would be 2010, when AJ and Konerko are in their walk years, and Thome has already walked.
Unless KW can move Thome/Konerko this offseason (and not for peanuts), which could be a difficult task, that would be full-on rebuilding.
AJ has plenty of value, how many teams need catchers again?
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 26, 2008 2:37 AM CST
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We can debate what it means to "rebuild"
But if the Sox go young at CF, LF, 3B, 2B and at 2 rotation spots that’s rebuilding in my book. It’s not like KW, apparently, is looking to fill holes with veterans — he wants to fill those holes with 3 year and less players it seems.
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 9:10 AM CST
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I would say - tweaking.
CF and 3B were basically holes last year anyways. Really only one rotation slot, that is if Vazquez departs (if there is a god).
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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young starter
to take count’s place until or if hes ever ready again.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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Yeah, but he was out half of last year
so the “rebuilding” of that position has already begun.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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They may have been holes performance-wise
But they were filled by veteran players for the most part. In 2009 they will likely be filled by pretty young players. Depending on young players, some of whom are pretty marginal prospects, at 4 positions plus 2 rotations slots would make it hard to project the Sox as a playoff contender.
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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Here's the rub
CF and 3B WEREN’T holes last year.
The Sox hit .264/.323/.442 from 3B with average-to-above average defense against a league average OPS of .765
In CF, they hit .238/.319/.415 about .10 points below league average OPS. I’ll allow you that Swisher was slightly below average in the field, but that was made up for by Anderson and Wise.
It looks to me like the Sox were marginally above average at 3B last year and marginally below average at CF—I don’t even know if you could say they were 1 win below average at those two spots combined—and in their current form they might be lucky to reach league average at either one of those positions.
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by The Cheat on
Nov 26, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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the hole was first base.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM CST
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yeah that was by far the biggest hole
here’s hoping Paulie finds it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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Nice analysis
But, it also depends on you definition of hole. In CF, if you are slightly below average – that could be considered a concern and a hole.
Though, after reading this I am surprised about 3B and thus my statement was incorrect.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 1:09 PM CST
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But, it also depends on you definition of hole.
kick save and a beauty.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:12 PM CST
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The "we're going young" rhetoric is setting this up, it appears.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 26, 2008 12:32 AM CST
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Filling new holes
Trading Dye and Vazquez is an interesting move in that the Sox already lack a SP and an OF. It sounds like a young starter is targeted in at least one of the deals. And you could envision someone like Taveras coming back in the other. That still leaves the Sox short a SP and OF. I can see the Sox giving the ball to Marquez/Richard (even though I don’t understand how Marquez can be plucked from AFL obscurity and suddenly be on the cusp of the majors).
The other OF spot is a mystery to me. Is it Owens? Does Viciedo play the OF? I’ll be interested in seeing who ends up out there….
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 1:21 AM CST
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Quite frankly, I don't know what he's doing
And i am quite concerned
Dead weight sucks
"If my first child is a boy his name will now be "Chad". In the event my first child is a girl her name will be "Pennington".-Rzayo 24
by rangerjae on
Nov 26, 2008 2:52 AM CST
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I am pissed that they are raising my season tickets over 10%....
and trimming payroll.
by stanchar on
Nov 26, 2008 6:31 AM CST
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Get used to it. Or don't buy.
Your choice – you can vote with your feet.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 6:52 AM CST
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I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
by U-God on
Nov 26, 2008 7:43 AM CST
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Don't forget they raised parking too.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on
Nov 26, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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we'll see how this plays out
but i’m not sure this will really end up with “less” payroll in the sense of the real number. remember, the sox payroll was something like $121 million last year – but $11 million or so of that was money for cabrera and thome. unless they’re trimming both javy and dye, it’s going to be tough to come in much, if any, below that real number.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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Restoring the minor clubs
That’s what these moves entail. For once Kenny got his hands on a top 10 draft pick and he realized what happens when you get an impact player like Beckham. Match that with watching Tampa’s youngsters in the playoffs and you have a youth movement. Kenny realized that for the past few years, he destroyed his minor leagues to make huge trades happen. All of a sudden along come Danks/Floyd to go along with all of his top prospects gone at the end of the Swisher deal. He has learned that trading for NOW guys might end up kicking him in the butt.
by airnjp on
Nov 26, 2008 7:24 AM CST
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Beckham isn't an impact player yet
Trading for NOW guys got KW 2 AL Central championships and a WS title. And Swisher was young enough that he could have been the now and future of the OF, which is one reason why trading him is such a puzzling
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 9:13 AM CST
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I know Beckham isnt yet..
but I was basing that off the fact that KW loves how guys perform in the AFL.
by airnjp on
Nov 26, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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The Kids can play!
How gay.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 26, 2008 8:37 AM CST
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Thanks Cheat. Great job, as per usual. And Happy Thanksgiving.
We shall see. Time will tell. Williams can deceive with the best of them.
One thing I think I learned from his approach last year. For economic reasons, he feels he needs to put what he considers a competitive team on the field. This is not the Chicago Cub franchise. If the Sox are bad and with the decrease in season ticket base (which I guess will continue in this debacle economy) and the crappy upper deck seating, the park will often be a quarter full. Maybe non-ticket revenues are large enough to make up for that in the short term, I don’t know.
I do know that he has a good plan and I’ve come to trust him.
Sox in 2009!
by ballyb on
Nov 26, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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flagged
deifying kenny williams.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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you don't see the magic comin out of these hands?

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
by U-God on
Nov 26, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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Shipping Dye...
Seems he has been the one constant the last few years. Although his range is horrible, there is always room on an AL team for a guy who can hit. He has been very professional, doesn’t draw attention to himself, and is probably a great locker-room / dugout leader. Probably has learned Spanglish.
Hoytsstash says keep Dye.
Moving both Swisher and Dye in one off-season……?
Too quote a Beatles “….strange days indeed!” (for you hoodie)
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
by Hoytsstash on
Nov 26, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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someone write this down.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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Note Taken
Sig
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 26, 2008 11:59 AM CST
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cite the author
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on
Nov 26, 2008 12:53 PM CST
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Solo Lennon, to be accurate, HS.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST
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I hear ya, WU. My keyboard is a bit off sometimes.....
Hence the “too” and the plural Beatles…
“to” and “Beatle”
most peculiar momma…whoa.
I’ve always favored George myself.
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
by Hoytsstash on
Nov 26, 2008 3:44 PM CST
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me too. While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a favorite.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 4:29 PM CST
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Partial to "All Things Must Pass" meself.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 4:39 PM CST
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I completely agree with it.
Just be patient Kenny. Trade Dye and Vazquez for sure and maybe Jenks.
But, wait until the FA’s and big names are gone for crying out loud. What’s the rush? Were you afraid that Jeff Marquez and Wilson Betemit would be off the market?
KENNY – HAVE PATIENCE, MAN!!!!!!!!!
by NLaloosh on
Nov 26, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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He has taken your post under advisement.
But, he is still looking for a cup of coffee….can anyone out there get Kenny a cup of coffee??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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K-Dubs is fooling all of you...
He has something up his sleeve, he always does. He has a top flight rotation in the AL going into next year, we are not rebuilding. We may go younger but, I would be okay with Brian Anderson and/or Jerry Owens in center next year. Owens is “fast” but would be a huge high risk/high reward. He will be a very good defensive center fielder though. Brian… you never know what you are going to get from this guy. He has all the potential in the world but his bat reminds me too much of Uribe. If he can pull off getting a front line starter and put some young pieces around our core, with our pitching I believe we could contend. If they plan on keeping Konerko and Thome around for next year than those guys better have years like they did in 06’. If not we are in for a long season.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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what's the high reward with owens?
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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a center fielder and a leadoff hitter all in one.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:16 AM CST
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don't you have to "hit" to be a "hitter"?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on
Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST
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when he gets injured again and a god-like beast emerges in his wake.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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well would you rather have
Owens, Anderson, or Wise? That is the question.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:19 AM CST
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Small samples on 2 of the 3. But I like Wise the best. Anderson has proven himself as a decent CFer....but only seems to swing a bat well if he is pinch-hitting in late innings. I hate watching Anderson bat.
My vote is with Wise. He reminds me of Willie Harris.
I’ve said this before, but I form a lot of opinions on players on gut and intuition (over stats)…and in the same way I sense Che will be fine at SS…I think Wise could be solid too.
I don’t think any of them are poised to be great CFers. I do think Anderson reads the ball the best of the three, but I don’t think that is something that can’t be taught or at least honed with off-season work.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 10:29 AM CST
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I forgot about Wise...I guess he would starting LF with Dye gone
And Owens in CF. That plan wouldn’t really surprise me.
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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Thome could score
from second on a base hit all day to that OF.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Well smart guy
WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED PLAN AGAIN?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:45 AM CST
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I believe it has something to do with
not letting Jerry Owens anywhere near his starting outfield.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 26, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Do not start Owens in CF....lets start there.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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SOOOOO.................................
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THERE MR. WILLIAMS?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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BA
Have the DH cover for Brian and the pitchers bat for themselves.
by onthemark12 on
Nov 26, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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go on a NL site, troll.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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Anderson
He actually can field and hit the ball out of the infield. Or I trade Dye or Vazquez for a CF or LF.
Owens has ZERO value to me. I would rather have Wise ride the bench and not waste a spot with Owens.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 10:53 AM CST
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Bobby
what center fielder or left fielder do you want to trade for?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:55 AM CST
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Now that is getting personal WTGTD
I don’t have a crystal ball or KW and other GM’s right in front of me at the moment – so hard to tell.
I would say about 90% of all CF’s and LF’s would be a better option than Owens. That is being conservative…I am throwing out about 10% that have sh*tty contracts that I wouldn’t want the Sox picking up.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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way to dance around the question
because you want KW to trade for this miracle 5 tool CF that leads off. That guy to my knowledge does not exist in anyone’s system at this point.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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2 tools would be better than Owens
Actually a box of used Craftsman wrenches would be better.
I am not dancing around the question…my point is Owens cannot and should not be our CF!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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You take any CF in the league that doesn’t have a bad contract and he’s better then Jerry Owens.. he’s not really dancing around the question. You don’t need to pick a specific name. They’ll all do over Owens.
by Grinder in Training on
Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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I vote for the surprise emergence of John Shelby III
and platoon him with Rob Mackowiak
by Daniel Berlyn on
Nov 26, 2008 2:42 PM CST
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I know of one named Grady Sizemore
but my guess is that the Indians will want to keep him around.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on
Nov 26, 2008 4:00 PM CST
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Owens and Anderson....
what’s nothin’ times nothin’
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
by Hoytsstash on
Nov 26, 2008 3:48 PM CST
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I'm not stating what I'd like to see I'm trying to guess "the plan"
On the current roster, Owens is the easy favorite to start in CF. The Sox like him, that’ just unfortunately the way it is.
If the Sox are shopping Dye for a pitcher, they must have a plan to replace him. I think that plan is Wise at this point. Who else is there?
by hitlesswonder on
Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM CST
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agreed
thank you for seeing why I brought this up.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 11:35 AM CST
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larry look past the stats
sometimes get up to the bigs and just get it. He has impressed me regardless of what you think of the guy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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"look past the stats"
to what. it’s not like he has tools, either. he’ll be 28 next year. he is what he is.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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If he can stay healthy,
maybe get on base a little bit and steal some bases I think he could be extremely valuable to this line up and team.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:19 AM CST
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unfortunately, he has shown no ability to do any of those at the level required of a major league player.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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Is Willy Tavarez a better option?
Please.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 10:24 AM CST
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you sure love red herring arguments.
who said anything about taveras
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by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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My point is who is the better option then?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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as pointed out above
there are numerous other options that are above replacement level performers, including one on the team already.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
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BA is not an above replacement level player yet.
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yes, he is.
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by larry on
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larry he has more holes in his swing than Uribe (pre new batting stance which I pointed out a day before he changed it)
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that's nice.
thankfully one can make up such faults up in other areas of the game. like defense.
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by larry on
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and that worked so well for us in 06' right?
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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looked fine to me.
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by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM CST
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BA is the reason
we did not make the playoffs in 06’.
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no. that's not true.
please try to back things up with facts. such as how BA and whoever else was in center managed to block a 5 win better player from playing for the white sox. it’s patently ridiculous to suggest that any one player not named barry bonds could have changed the outcome of the season.
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by larry on
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The team knew they could not win with
him in center field… so we got stuck with Rob.
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right.
and this adds up to the necessary 5 wins?
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by larry on
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it leads to a team
that loses confidence because it is being held back by a couple of guys. including garland.
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(down the stretch)
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oh. right.
well, that’s certainly backed up by garland’s numbers. out of all the pitchers, you choose him? contreras? buerhle?
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by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 11:50 AM CST
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whatever larry im tired of getting ganged up on every time i open my mouth on here. peace
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you should find some friends.
even if they’re only internet “friends” who support you out of fear.
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by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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It's B-Mac's fault
He lost 7 games. That could have been the difference!!
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Owens
he has no arm and can’t hit the ball out of the infield. He is at best a pinch runner.
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He CAN hit it out of the infield.
He CANNOT hit it to the outfielders, they HAVE to run in to pick up his ground balls. I saw it time and time again in ’07.
Sox in 2009!
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Nov 26, 2008 2:40 PM CST
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I stand corrected
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Nov 26, 2008 2:42 PM CST
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he has 3 tools
baserunning skills and speed, fielding abilities, and a tool.
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where are you getting this fielding abilities?
He has one tool.
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Nov 26, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Did you watch any games in 07?
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Did he play?
This deja vu thing is creeping me out.
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2008 was all a dream
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 26, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Phew!
I had this nightmare that my 401K was drained and some old white fart and a black guy were running for President.
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actually, he does not have baserunning skills.
and, while he does have speed, he does not have basestealing skills either. his historical rates are below what is beneficial and his results after his injury last year are even worse. there is no reason to expect him to contribute in this regard.
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by larry on
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WTGTD
what did you find most impressive about Owens, his inability to put down a bunt or his inability to pull a major league fastball?
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He can field and has speed.
He can steal a base and disrupt pitchers. KW likes him a lot better than anyone on this site AND he will probably be our starting center fielder next year if healthy.
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If by field you mean he fields like Smalls in the Sandlot
Sure he can catch it, but he has to run it back into the shortstop.
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well then people should stop giving KW the benefit of the doubt
bc he can’t steal first, not only that, he’s 28 and will only get slower from here on in. Guys like Owens lose it incredibly quickly.
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right, if Owens was 22 or 23, I might agree with you
but at this point, I’d rather have Anderson if no other moves are made.
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Who is our lead off hitter then?
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Who cares
Is the first at-bat of the game that important to you?
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because we won a world series when we had one.
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we also had 4 shut down relievers who
had more to do with winning it than Scotty Pods leading off
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Politte? Cotts?
Vizcaino? Hermanson? Jenks? It wasn’t the fact that our team had an identity right? People knew their roles and over achieved but it worked. We could steal some bases and put some pressure on the other team even though we had a so-so offense.
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Yeah go ahead and take a look at
Politte, Cotts, Hermanson and Jenks’ numbers from that year. Politte and Cotts were doing their best Eckersely impression that year and Hermanson was untouchable the first 5 months. If it makes you all warm and rosy to think Tadahito played so well because he knew his role than who I am to tell you otherwise.
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 26, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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:)
:)
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Yeah, all those guys.
Look at the numbers. That team had great pitching and hit a bunch of HRs. Pods was useful when he got on at a .360 clip for half season. His stolen bases were almost irrelevant to the team’s success. Examine how the team scored it runs. It was a power team.
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a power team that had the ability to go 1st to 3rd.
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and scored 741 runs.
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by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 11:43 AM CST
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no doubt they had great pitching
but in close games they could score in a variety of ways…. seeeeeeeeeeee?????
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I heard that
back-to-back-to-back-to-back complete games doesn’t hurt either.
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Nov 26, 2008 11:15 AM CST
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Our leadoff hitter
leads off, typically once a game.
Getz would be a fine choice if he wins 2B job.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 11:00 AM CST
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This obsession of yours for a lead-off hitter is getting a tad awkward
and for the record, I would like to build a time machine and bring back Rickey Henderson from 1990 and make him the Sox lead off hitter.
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Nov 26, 2008 11:03 AM CST
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well now that steroid testing is more
stringent, the game has taken a path back to the 90’s style of play.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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what was getz' obp in the minors?
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.366 in 08
.382 in 07
Owens was .346 in 08.
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by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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well shit!
we have brian roberts on our team already!
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Are you hitting the punch early WTGTD?
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wake n bake
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popeyes chicken run
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The picture is now complete.
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Ok FINE
WHO do you want in cf next year then?
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remember we have no one that currently
has the ability to lead off.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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I just split my head open.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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Why can Owens lead off but Chris Getz can’t? I’ll take Chris Getz any day over Jerry Owens.
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Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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i just said in an above post that I did not know
Brian Roberts was on our team already.
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Had I known Curtis Granderson was in CF
I wouldn’t have suggested Chris Getz.
Neither is proven, but one is younger, plays better defense and has a better track record. The other guy is Jerry Owens.
BA starts in CF if the season starts today.. not Owens.
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Because he hasn't
proven he can play at a major league level yet. Wait…
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Layup question of the millennium.
Sox in 2009!
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Nov 26, 2008 2:31 PM CST
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And by the way,
what happened to that 5/75 they were going to give Hunter last year?
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Swisher spent it at the hair salon...
That’s just one reason why that guy is gone.
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Nov 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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seriously
anyone?
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it went into the stock market
it is now the 1 mil the sox are now paying betemit
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
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RISP
I think I know who the mystery GM is. i heard an interview with Jim Hendry last season where he talked about how the Cubs focus on RISP as an indicator of talent. seriously, he really said it.
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Hendry
Shouldn’t he be worried about how his team performed in big games. That was one situation where the Cubs got rocked. Maybe he focuses only on RISP against a meager NL Central division.
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Nov 26, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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do you say "CLUTCH"?
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Nov 26, 2008 10:28 AM CST
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RISP - what a load of bollocks
I can’t believe that people still think that this statistic has some sort of validity in assessing hitters.
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on
Nov 26, 2008 11:43 AM CST
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have a pint
my talents are wasted on the rest of them
regards
number one when it mattered!
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Hahaha.
Nice.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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This thread is making my head hurt
or wait… maybe that’s the hangover.
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no. you were right the 1st time.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
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yeah
this thread has been pock marked by stupid.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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go fuck yourself shitmouth.
All you guys have these great ideas but you never share any of them. I think I know why… because you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about?
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starting jerry owens qualifies as a great idea?
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it is not my fucking idea
Did I draft JO? He is an option on a team with not many options. He provides more upside to the team if he can lead off or bat 9th and bring some fucking speed to this team.
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explain to me how this speed translates into runs.
which seems to be the point of baseball, unless the rules have been changed.
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Runs scored via speed are morally superior than those scored by plodding HR hitters
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do they count differently?
I just sewed my head back together and now you made the stitches break. I thought you were leaving for Popeye’s?
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watching bases loaded base hits turn into 1 run.
sox -1 potential run
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there seems to be a priori issue.
namely getting on second base in such a situation.
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Jerry Owens was not drafted good sir,
but rather acquired in exchange for one Alex Escobar’s services.
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
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plus JO has a supercool afro
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Monsignor!
The torch is thusly passed.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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FWIW larry shared his offseason plan
And it was good…I thought.
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I saw it...
flawed but he was the only one with an overwhelming opinion to state his offseason plan. I have a problem with people who have a problem with me when they don’t even know what they want.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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colin (you know, the guy you replied to saying he never shared any ideas?)
also kind of made multiple front page posts about this stuff.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST
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I was actually talking about BSs
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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So this all goes back to me
I think you are upset that I think JD is a terrible fielder, and you do not.
I also think you are upset that I said Owens is a sh*tty option in CF.
I never came on here stating that this is my offseason plan. I am just stating that your Owens suggestion in CF isn’t a good one and you took offense to it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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colingus
is just a jerk off.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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You sound like me wife!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 12:42 PM CST
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If you fuck yourself in the shitmouth, would it kinda be like having anal sex?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 11:31 AM CST
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like ass to mouth?
j/k
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Since when
have rumored KW trades resulted in actual trades? yes he said Swish was not gonna be everyday CF. But that left many different possibilities. And there weren’t Swish to Yankees rumors 1-2 weeks before anything happened.
Trying to read tea leaves with KW is a fool’s errand. I’m comfortable with the idea that I don’t know which way KW is going. I’ll just watch and see.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
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but as of right now we have 3 options for center field.
and none of them are really that good. so something has to happen.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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but i thought jerry owens had high reward attached to him?
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 12:09 PM CST
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not high reward
huge high reward
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 26, 2008 6:22 PM CST
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we're going to get erstad back
we need more grinders.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 12:34 PM CST
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no were all about young grinders now
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
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Nov 26, 2008 12:35 PM CST
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ok
then we’ll trade JD for Freel, hes grindy.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 12:37 PM CST
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but not young
I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
by U-God on
Nov 26, 2008 12:38 PM CST
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at least
we have getz
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 12:40 PM CST
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This is like TV rerun season.
Just filling air time. GD it, at least come up with new ideas, SoB. It took 3 years to finally be rid of the “start BA” camp. Now JO is the CF du jour? Fer Chrissakes. Why not list Jordan Danks as long as we are being ridiculous? Or che, and we’ll have DV at short, WB at 3rd? I mean, why not?
At least it’ll be something we haven’t ground into the dirt for 14 months or so.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
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Nov 26, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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omfg
go re read all the posts. IT IS NOT MY IDEA TO START JO, ALL I SAID WAS THAT HE WILL PROBABLY BE THE STARTING CF NEXT YEAR AS WE STAND HERE TODAY AND EVERY FUCK ON THIS BOARD HAD TO PUT THEIR 2 CENTS IN BEFORE READING THE CONTEXT OF THE POST.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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SO EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT JO
GO MOAN TO YOUR GM IF YOU DONT LIKE THE IDEA.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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i think people are more disputing that there's some sort of high reward attached to owens.
at least that’s what i’m disputing. i’ve already said on here that i think it’s better than 50-50 that he’s starting.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:56 PM CST
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SO GO BITCH TO KW
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A CHANCE OF REWARD IF HE IS STILL IN BASEBALL.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Huh?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 1:59 PM CST
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REPLIED TO LARRY BSS
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 26, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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Huh?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 26, 2008 6:36 PM CST
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Bachelor of Science and Stuff
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 26, 2008 6:38 PM CST
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REPLIED TO WTGTD WIZ
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 26, 2008 6:39 PM CST
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MY HEAD HURTS
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 26, 2008 6:41 PM CST
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I just joined the soiree
and my ear has already begun to bleed.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 26, 2008 6:43 PM CST
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Your life would have been better to never have found this thread. :-)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Nov 26, 2008 7:43 PM CST
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hsa
am I really being that big of a d-bag? All I stated is that the guy KW is looking for may already be in the organization.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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dooooood. My response was to OG...had nothing to do with yous.
But yes, I find you to be a dbag, as long as the question is out there.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 7:48 PM CST
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And I should clarify....
I don’t base your (or anyone’s) douchebaggery on an opinion you possess over rosters, or anything else. I am open to the idea that everyone has their own thoughts.
Your douchebaggery comes from the manner in which you present your thoughts, and your inability to remain calm when things are not going your way…and some of the things you say in these times…
We tried to coach SSH on the same idea – but you saw how he took our advice, and where it led. So adapt, or just restrain from puking all over here when you are upset. It’s best to internalize sometimes.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 7:57 PM CST
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i like talking to myself too sometimes
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on
Nov 26, 2008 8:00 PM CST
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I know you do, hoodie. I know you do.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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If you like guys in their late 20's, sure,
KenWo is available, if I hear correctly.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 7:48 PM CST
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maybe reward for him.
“organizational player”. “fifth outfielder”. “replacement level”. these are terms one can utilize to describe a player such as owens. he’s 28. he is what he is. if you need a bench player, he’s a fine enough choice. starting him, however, is, as you pointed out half correctly, high risk.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 2:02 PM CST
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THAT IS FINE
I DON’T RUN THE FUCKING TEAM LARRY… AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 3 GUYS TO CHOSE FROM. HE IS ONE OF THEM.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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I am shock. I thought this was KW.
My apologies.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 2:05 PM CST
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I see somebody is thankful for the Caps Lock key this holiday
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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larry I forgot that you were the best
evaluator of talent that has ever lived. This guy, like Fields, was going to start this past year.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Actually, the Swish trade WAS rumored...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/white-sox-shopp.html
Nov. 5th
Swisher to Yankees talk started
Nov. 13th
Swisher traded to Yankees
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Nov 26, 2008 3:41 PM CST
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I think it's a good thing
not to over reach in terms of the money you spend in the current climate. Holding back this season is probably more important for the long term strength of the club.
number one when it mattered!
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Too many factors to say yes or no
to this. If you have the money to spend and their are some bargains out there, why not buy now when the climate is low? That all could change next year.
Kenny’s 75 cents this year might actually get 90 cents on a player. But, next year the 75 cents might only be worth 75 cents again and everyone else will have a dollar. Thus, buying low – while locking in for the long-term would be better off for the club than buying in a sellers market and getting reamed like the Giants did in the Zito contract.
See what I mean? Have I had too much coffee?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 12:50 PM CST
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If KW sells low enough on enough players
maybe we can set the market rate? I knew there was some logic behind moving Swish.
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Nov 26, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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Juan Rivera
If JD gets traded for someone other than an a MLB ready OF’er – how about signing Rivera to a short 2 year, $6-8 million contract to man LF?
When he has had the opportunity to play, he has performed relatively well.
Just an idea.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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what the fuck bobby.
you’re supposed to be the assclown who doesn’t provide his own plan.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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no talent assclown
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 26, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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Oh sh*t sorry
I forgot my role again.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 1:44 PM CST
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goddamn it.
this whole fucking country is falling apart.
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
by larry on
Nov 26, 2008 1:48 PM CST
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Who backstops this site?
Selig? JR? KW? larry? Cheat?
It’s an indifferent universe here on the ’net.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 1:51 PM CST
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Toby Hall? I think
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Yep
If WTGTD would lay down his peace pipe and get with the program, we wouldn’t be in this god forsaken predicament.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS LARRY
THIS IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE HE HAS SHOWN ALL OFF-SEASON. BOBBY WANTS TO TRADE EVERYONE ON THE TEAM BUT HE DOESN’T KNOW FOR WHO. WHAT THE FUCK?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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You remind me of John Goodman in the Big Lebowski
Secondly, when did I say trade the whole team? I said it wouldn’t be a bad idea to trade Dye, considering his value is high and he one of the few pieces that would bring something back in return.
Don’t trade him to trade him.
I have also mentioned that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to trade Vazquez, who will have zero confidence in Chicago. Jenks also, if the return is right, but that is doubtful.
Trade high. I wasn’t in agreement with the Swisher trade as his value is low and the return shows that. But, there were other factors involved apparently that weren’t just from on the field.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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SHOMER SHABBOS
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Nov 26, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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calmer than you are.
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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GD*ammit Donnie
Nobody asked you Donnie, Donnie just shut the f’ up!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
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Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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(that was a Walter quote, by the way...don't want it to be misinterpreted).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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THIS IS THE SAME SHIT I WENT THROUGH WHEN
DEBATING WITH YOU KNUCKLEHEADS WHEN EVERYONE HERE WAS SO HIGH ON FIELDS, THAT CREDE WOULD START THE SEASON. I WAS RIGHT. I WENT THROUGH SIMILAR SHIT WHEN I SAID WE WOULD WIN THE DIVISION. I WAS RIGHT AGAIN. SO ALL OF YOU CAN KISS MY MOTHER FUCKING ASS. APPARENTLY ALL OF THE KNOW IT ALLS DON’T KNOW SHIT.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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I'm sorry, did you say something?
Can’t hear you.
;) Lighten up, it’s almost Thanksgiving. Give a shout out to Dr. Nick for me.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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I don't think everyone is usually as "High" as you are.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on
Nov 26, 2008 2:05 PM CST
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smoke less pot.
way less.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 26, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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I think he needs to smoke more with this
caps lock tirade he’s on.
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Nov 26, 2008 2:07 PM CST
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Doesn't pot fuel paranoia, though?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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Only in the people who don't smoke it regularly.
(everyone who I’ve known it to have that effect on, never touch the stuff for that sole reason).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 2:11 PM CST
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My English was all messed up there.
People who get paranoid from dope typically don’t smoke dope.
There.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Nov 26, 2008 2:14 PM CST
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EAT SHIT COLIN
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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I thought pot mellowed you out?
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
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JUST TIRED OF THE BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS
OVER NOTHING.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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... which I will no perpetuate with a series of explicatives in permanent UPPERCASE
AIM: SouthSideCheat
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Nov 26, 2008 2:11 PM CST
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THIS IS A LONELY PLACE FOR ME OBVIOUSLY
I AM TIRED OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSELF OVER AND OVER WHEN THE POINTS ARE LOUD AND CLEAR.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Points like Jerry Owens being a
“very good defensive center fielder”?
p.s. I think people are taking issue half with what you’re saying, half with the way you’re saying it. But I dig the caps lock.
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CAPS ARE USED WHEN SCREAMING ONLINE CORRECT?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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THATS THE WAY HE TALKS!
LIKE SAMUEL L JACKSON!
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 26, 2008 6:44 PM CST
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Least chill stoner I've ever encountered (even if virtually)....I'd be surprised if he's ever even touched the stuff.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Nov 26, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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This is prescription-fueled, I'd wager.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
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NO THIS IS "KNOW IT ALL" FUELED.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE CONSISTENTLY PUTTING WORDS INTO MY FUCKING MOUTH. LIKE I CAME ON HERE AND SAID JERRY OWENS IS THE NEXT GRADY SIZEMORE?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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you're right. this is actually what you wrote.
Grady Sizemore is the nxet Jerry Owens. Go fuck yourself, Toonderstroke.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" – wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 9, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
colin's getz interview = dr. dre's detox
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