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I was perusing the archives a moment ago and came across an entry I posted titled "The White Sox are a $100M Mid-Market Club." The post was essentially my reaction to the Sox losing out (read: being used as a pawn) in the Miguel Cabrera derby, which concluded with the scathing line "The Sox missed out on their 'big fish' because they refused to spend enough money on bait."

The gist of the post was that the Sox weren't use their resources to their fullest extent, specifically as it pertained to obtaining amateur talent.

The White Sox farm system seems destined to be named the 29th best (2nd worst) in all of baseball. And thanks to some dubious extensions and pretty terrible middle relief signing, the only thing about the White Sox which could be considered Big Market is their payroll.

  • The White Sox are unwilling to pay over slot in the first-year player draft.
  • The White Sox are (seemingly) afraid to offer arbitration to departing free agents. (Perhaps to help limit draft costs.) The last time they had multiple extra picks thanks to arbitration they got top prospects Josh Fields and Gio Gonzalez, who fell due to unfounded character concerns. The rest of the draft was filled with overdrafts who would sign below slot (Wes Whisler, Dony Lucy, Ray Liotta.)
  • The White Sox have been unwilling to compete for high-dollar amateur international talent, with the SS Silveiro marking their only $300+K signing of the last 5+(?) years.
  • The White Sox have been unwilling to feel the wrath of the Winner's Curse by shelling out top dollar to the top free agents. There hasn't been a singing of a true top-level free-agent since Albert Belle almost 10 years ago. And I haven't even brought up the name Scott Boras yet.
This is a team which has continued to act like a mid-market club with the exception of it's willingness to hand out contracts to it's soon-to-be free-agents. You could make a very convincing argument that the White Sox would be a better club today if they had practiced more fiscal responsibility with their contract extensions, forcing them to part with some of their impending free-agents through trades for prospects or by accepting the two extra draft picks which come from losing a type-A free-agent.

Less than a year later, amid talk of trimming payroll, the Sox don't fit so cleanly under the mid-market umbrella. They've added Alexei Ramirez and (hopefully) Dayan Viciedo from Cuba; the latter to a reportedly record contract for a player his age. They've spent considerably over slot for Gordon Beckham and Jordan Danks. And, fingers crossed, should offer arbitration to their lone departing desirable free agent (Orlando Cabrera) by Monday, netting them 2 extra '09 draft picks.

Juan Uribe is a type B free agent, and could possibly net the Sox 1 compensation pick. There is, however, a considerable chance that he would accept arbitration, where he would be guaranteed at least 80% of his '08 salary. So the Sox will probably pass on that opportunity, with good reason.

Anyway, the point of the post--aside from giving you a new thread to CAP LOX in over the holiday--on the whole, even with the disastrous Swisher trades, the Sox organization is in a much better position today than they were a year ago following the winter meetings. That's something we can be thankful for.

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I see nothing about Taveras, Roberts, or Hudson

Without speed I have nothing to give thanks for.

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Nov 27, 2008 1:17 AM CST reply actions  

My favorite signing was Upchurch.

Payed over slot for a very high reward arm, I hope he does well next year in Bristol/Kanny.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 27, 2008 1:30 AM CST reply actions  

happy...

we aren’t a top 10 payroll team….
it’s time to start acting like it…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 27, 2008 3:33 AM CST reply actions  

And Tuesday the Tigers used three draft picks who dropped due to signability and another international signing to add one of the best players in baseball (and Dontrelle Willis) to an already very good team. Earlier this off-season, they turned two international signings into Edgar Renteria and some cash. That’s 6 players, obtained via methods to which the White Sox seem allergic, used to make an already good club better.

The Tigers acquisition of Cabrera doesn’t effect the Sox as much as it initially seems. Most people around here (myself included) were extremely skeptical about the White Sox ability to make the playoffs this year. I would have put them slightly better than 5% chance to win the AL Central yesterday. The Cabrera trade takes it down under 5%, but I’d hardly call that a difference at all. Our long-shot is now a slightly longer shot.

More than the 2% change in the Sox playoff chances, this trade gives a glimpse into what could have been had the Sox truly taken the influx of new fans derived from 2005 World Series run and put those dollars to use in every way possible. Simply put, the Sox missed out on their “big fish” because they refused to spend enough money on bait.

That hurts.


That’s why no matter how shitty that Swisher trade may have looked, or how lame KW’s excuse is for cutting payroll, we WON the division last year. 2% chance?

This younger/cheaper squad may not win it again. But they will be competitive. Our division is a crapshoot. For all we know, Detroit and Cleveland may suck once again next year, and half of the Twinkies rotation will break their throwing arm.

I went to the tiebreaker game and our first and only postseason win. Imagine if someone on this site would have said that last year..they would have been ripped apart. Yet somehow our moves panned out and our young unproven starters (easily the #!1 reason we won the division) pitched great seasons.

Most of the team is still intact. Yeah, we lost an average OF that hit .217, and a cocky, overpaid, and declining SS. But are we really THAT MUCH worse off?

Q!

by Q! on Nov 27, 2008 4:10 AM CST reply actions  

no dice rookie

you have taken his name in vain

I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!

by U-God on Nov 27, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

The Swisher trade...

is so far the only thing that I’ve had a real problem with this off-season. I think I’ll scratch my head over that one forever – it’s probably the worst deal for the Sox since the Todd Ritchie trade.

Otherwise, I don’t have a problem with the direction the team is going. Ever since Wilder’s been shown the door, the team has actually made a conscious effort to have a decent farm system. Letting Crede, Griffey, Cabrera, and Uribe walk is fine with me.

The only thing on my Christmas wish list is a center fielder. WTGTD is wrong – Anderson is better than Owens, but I think if it comes down to Anderson vs. Owens for the starting job, we’ll see a lot more of Owens than we want to.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 27, 2008 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

The Todd Ritchie trade

We only gave up Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe. I think your forgetting that Ritchie had 5 wins for us in 01.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 27, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Look at Wells 2002 and 2003...

That trade may have cost the Sox a division title in 2003….

by hitlesswonder on Nov 27, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure that you picked up my sarcasm

It was hidden in the line about 5 wins

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 27, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry -- I've been looking at non-SSS sox sites too much lately

And your statement could have been made non-sarcastically there…

by hitlesswonder on Nov 28, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

HW, you are perusing non-SSS Sox sites/

All that comes to mind is Nancy Kerrigan:

WHY? WWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

we should club that foo'.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 28, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Going Gordon Freeman on his ass.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 28, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all good

It was just funny for me to see that trade brought up…. I remember it vividly….I was 21 then and going to about 40 games a year…

I know that it doesn’t happen often but I think that the entire board can agree that it was a horrible trade….

At the time i wouldn’t have given up Sean Lowe for Ritchie….

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Nov 28, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ithink 99% of the people here on SSS

know that WTGTD is wrong and Anderson is better than Owens. But like you said if the competition is between them two we will be seeing more of Jerry Lee than wed like.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Nov 27, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

First off grab,

I never said Jerry Owens is “better” than Anderson post 08’ season. What I said, is that if Jerry Owens can do ANYTHING as a lead-off hitter he is more VALUABLE to the team than Brian. Now if you guys would sometime soon STOP putting words in my mouth I would greatly appreciate it.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

the problem with that

is that if he can’t do ANYTHING, which is far more likely based upon his history, he will be far more DETRIMENTAL to the team because ozzie will CONTINUE to play him despite him sucking because he loves the speedy leadoff hitter idea (most managers do, of course). both brian and jerry should be batted ninth in order to MINIMIZE the damage to the offense.

we should not expect anything from either of these players that we haven’t seen in the past. they’re both in their late 20s now. their skill sets are basically determined. in fact, if anything, we should expect BA to be slightly better than in the past while jerry to be slightly worse, considering that generally power peaks at brian’s age while speed declines at jerry’s age (not to mention jerry’s leg injuries – he’s very likely already begun this decline).

by larry on Nov 30, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I never said Owens is better than Anderson

don’t put words in my mouth. I said the team would like to have JO in CF because he could full-fill the role of “speedy lead-off” hitter that Ozzie has been pining for.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Toonder - you saw one helluva hockey game last night. No shame in that loss, although Seabrook's turnover was pretty ugly.

and Happy Thanksgiving, all. You guys kick ass, keep it up. Now time to get geared up for this Lions Titans game! (can you read the sarcasm? Goodness, I know Tennessee is good but I cannot watch crappy football and I’m pretty sure the Lions have that trademarked.)

by CWSKeith on Nov 27, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

Toonder is on hiatus.

You’ll have to ask him why. He’s mysterious.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 27, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

doesn't mean he ain't still reading.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 27, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Toonder can read?

news to me.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 27, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

of course...it's me that cannot....

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 27, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You know this how?

Either way, he’s apparently is not responding, which is usually the hoped-for result when you address a question to someone.

Someone had to say it. And that foot is me. Come back, Toonder. Come back….

You POS.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

If you click on his profile, you can see his last login....

and my stalker ass :) sees that he has been here, ODPOS!

(and for Toonder – what WU said, you POHS!)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 28, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

it has to do with your nationality.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 28, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah. "Deutsche." :)

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

you got it!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Nov 28, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 28, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Was listening to it on the radio, sounded like a good game

first time listening to a hockey game and I enjoyed it. I was a bit bummed when the starting goalie went down, but what can you do. Coming out of San Jose with a point is excellent, considering how well they’ve played so far this season.

Did you watch the game?

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 27, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Old Jokes Home

Q. What does a Catholic priest & a pint of Guinness
have in common?
A. Black coat, white collar & you’ve got to
watch your arse if you get a dodgy one.

regards

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

cap lox

is when wu makes the wife put the other half of the bagel on top

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 27, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice. Take my wife. Please.

And Happy Thanksgiving.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 27, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll be here all week. try the veal, don't forget to tip your waitress

and Happy Turkey Day everybody!

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Nov 27, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Happy Thanksgiving to all

I hope you all have a wonderful holiday…from my family to yours.

KenWo

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 27, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

Did we sign Tori Hunter yet?

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Nov 27, 2008 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

A Real American Turkey
Via Baseball-Reference.com’s Play Index Batting Season Finder:

Single Seasons, Born in USA, From 1901 to 2008, (requiring OPSp<=10 and Qualified for league batting title), sorted by greatest Seasons matching criteria

So, when you’re enjoying your turkey tomorrow – and hopefully you are! – think of America’s biggest batting turkey of a season: Bill Bergen’s 1909

Gobble, gobble!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 27, 2008 6:04 PM CST reply actions  

poor girl

Urban Meyer on his daughter, Nicki:

“Always being the new kid, Nicki often was asked to switch positions to fill whatever holes were left open.”

http://deadspin.com/5099304/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 27, 2008 6:08 PM CST reply actions  

another foot on mouth
Minnesota Twins president Dave St. Peter says of weather-related concerns (the team’s open-air stadium is to open in 2010): ’

’We’ve become a little wimpy as a group in our sports.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/quickhits/1299845,CST-SPT-1hit26.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 27, 2008 6:11 PM CST reply actions  

new carl

http://smellslikemascot.blogspot.com/2008/11/circus-shots.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 27, 2008 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

BP Fantasy Beat
Paul Konerko saw his performance drop in 2007, hitting just .259/.351/.490 with an ISO of .231, but even that decline could not prepare fantasy owners for his even steeper lack of production in 2008. Konerko hit .240/.344/.438 on the season, which was actually an improvement on the grim numbers he was putting up before August rolled around. The former slugger was dreadful up to that point, delivering a .214/.314/.349 line from April through July, but thankfully—for the White Sox and their playoff hopes, and for Konerko—he was able to salvage things by hitting .294/.405/.622 the rest of the way.

Konerko’s .247 BABIP was roughly 50 points below the league average, and a surprise given that he hit liners 21.5 percent of the time. He should have had a BABIP of roughly .335, which would give him an adjusted line of .288/.410/.499; that looks like 2007, though with a higher batting average and a bit less power. This is a positive in his favor for 2009, but there are still some problems that may come with drafting him. Konerko hit .285/.403/.575 at home, and .204/.295/.331 outside of the Cell; 15 of his 22 homers came at home, and he did that in 42 fewer PA. In 2006 and 2007 this split was less pronounced, with Konerko hitting .284/.360/.540 at home and .288/.372/.502 away. His road performance also lagged behind during his fantastic final two months (.230/.326/.459), though taking place in just over 74 at-bats.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8333

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Nov 27, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

konerko

I think he will be very good for us next year, the body decline that he had never seen before in terms of injuries etc. should make him be more aware of being in condition, diet and stuff like that.
that kind of discipline will help him and the team.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad you all celebrate liberating yourself

from fuckers like myself, to be honest I don’t blame you.

best wishes from West Yorkshire to you all

regards

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2008 7:02 PM CST reply actions  

we're thankful for many things, hl. like low gas prices.

it isn’t just about giving the finger to that shitland you call home.

regards

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Nov 27, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ROFL

when did you get funny? ;)

Happy Thanksgiving all…even those of us in Peoria,er West Yorkshire!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Nov 27, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

And, of course it is.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Nov 28, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

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