Who wants Ken Griffey Jr?
Multiple teams, according to this MLB.com article. This could be good news for the Sox who might be able to pick up an extra draft pick by offering Junior arbitration. Though given the Sox recent reluctance to offer arbitration to departing players, I doubt they'll be willing to take the risk of him accepting.
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They would be nuts to offer him arbitration
with him coming off of whatever he was making ($14million?) Just like he would be nuts to turn down the arbitration offer.
He is looking at $3-$4 million max, I would guess, as a free agent. In arbitration, he makes some multiple of that – his case could start and end with pictures of the only four guys in history with more home runs.
by VictorB on
Nov 28, 2008 7:52 PM CST
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The Sox should not offer Griffey arbitration.
I like Griffey a lot. With Thome on the team though there is nowhere he can realistically play for 162 games. (though I still like him better than the in house candidates of Anderson and Owens)
The Sox are nutsy if they don’t offer it to Orlando Cabrera though. If he accepts I would be happy as I think he is a better option for a year than anything else they will have in the middle infield. If he doesn’t (which he won’t) you get 2 picks in the first round.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 28, 2008 9:06 PM CST
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Its funny
that you think that GS is actually capable of playing 162 games. And a candidate for what? CF? What drugs have you been mixing tonight?
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by omnipotent grab on
Nov 28, 2008 9:21 PM CST
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I said he isn't going to realistically play 162 games.
What drugs have you been mixing tonight?
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 28, 2008 11:26 PM CST
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"With Thome on the team though there is nowhere he can realistically play for 162 games."
The only thing keeping him from playing 162 is Thome?
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by omnipotent grab on
Nov 29, 2008 12:15 AM CST
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If he were the DH I don't see any reason why
he couldn’t play 140
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 9:13 AM CST
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Yeah but you said 162 dipshit.
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by omnipotent grab on
Nov 29, 2008 10:14 AM CST
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you forgot wise.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 29, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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So would anyone object if OC does accept arbitration?
Falls into the oh shit category, but we can live can’t we. Che back to second?
Or can we trade him after arbitration, and if so, do we eat the salary?
I’m sorry I’m a novice for the business end of baseball
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by rangerjae on
Nov 29, 2008 7:47 AM CST
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well most of the times you trade the salary, unless you really want to get rid of the player and agree to pay some of his salary (like Phils did with Thome). But yeah, OC does hate here: cold weather and strong veteran personalities in the club house are just killing him. No one gives a crap about him when there is Thome, JD, Buerhle, etc to talk with about baseball and other stuff… And then on the field Q! and/or Chelexei took all the attention with them.
I thought he was solid, but I will not miss him much.
by LT_sox_fan on
Nov 29, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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also, love your avatar/icon. I had one just like that except with the bulls logo next to sox.
whitesox and miami dolphins? r u a mutant or what…
by LT_sox_fan on
Nov 29, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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it would be fantastic if cabrera accepted abritration.
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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Wow the holiday traffic around here is killer,
We have to offer OC arbitration….. He won’t sign it…. he hates it here..
2 more picks is just good to pass up…..
Our farm system is looking more and more like it’s on the right track. If we were to add 3 (our pic plus the 2 from OC) more high updside guys to Beckham, Poreda, Dayan. Our future might actually look bright….
Just so long as kenny doesn’t trade it all away…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 8:29 AM CST
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You get good prospects
so you can choose one or two of them to play and trade the rest for stars. I have ZERO problem with trading prospects. Most of the time they are busts anyway
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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Agreed..... but,
I’m very interested to see who of the three prospects pans out.
Looking forward to spring training and hearing more about Viciedo’s light tower power and want to know what kind of defense he has…
The talk that Poreda could be a solid reliever right now has me hoping that he can develop another average to plus pitch to be an effective starter…
I quietly think that Becks has star potential…it seems to me though that he is extremely streaky with the bat
Getting a better read on how far away Jordan Danks is….. 2010…? If the sox season goes badly does he get a cup of coffee.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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I said 3 and then posted about 4 prospects.... my bad..
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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the cuban babe ruth doesn't need any stinking defense
just swing baby!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 29, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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crappier prospects
such as the white sox have had recently often don’t pan out. guys like poreda and beckham usually do.
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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Is there a place to talk about prospects....
Brandon Allen and John Shelby look nice too…
I didn’t realize that Shelby had wheels too….. 33 steals 5 caught
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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for anyone who thought freddy garcia was a good idea.
http://www.cubsfx.com/2008/11/freddy-garcia-injured-in-venezuelan.html
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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i read that yesterday....
I felt a little bad for him but, still chuckled to myself…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:01 AM CST
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holy shit.
highly recommend reading the whole thing.
ATTN KW: Statistical Analysis of Willy Taveras & How To Fix Him, Read this, then call up Colorado and do the deal right now
Now here’s my thinking. Willy came up in his first full season of ’05 and played relaxed the whole year and that is why his numbers deep in the count, most specifically in the 1-2 and 3-2 counts are so good. He was not thinking about getting on base and fulfilling expectations of a lead-off man, he was just watching the ball and reacting. I cannot believe that the level of pitching in the National League improved so much to cause this, because if it did his other numbers would be affected, which they have not been. Somehow after ’05 the pressure on him mounted and he probably ended up overthinking at the plate. When he went to Colorado, maybe somebody told him to walk more or something, or he felt that he needed to. If there was a stat about called third strikes on 3-2 counts it could be very telling in regards to Taveras.
All Willy needs to be a better player is a manager that will 1) encourage early and often bunting, especially on the slower grass at the Cell that will make it harder on the 3B to come in and will force the catcher to make a throw behind the runner more often, 2) a hitting coach who will take pressure off of him and basically do nothing at all except tell him to NOT worry about the walk and instead be aggressive, especially on 3-2, and 3) a winning environment in front of loud fans who will cheer him for every stolen base or bunt hit and boost his confidence, allowing him to focus on his best skills and forget about whatever it is that is causing him to lose confidence late in his at-bats.
So in all, TRADE FOR WILLY TAVERAS!!! He’s a great buy-low candidate and all he needs is a confidence boost, which I strongly believe he’ll get in Chicago. Don’t wait around, he could end up our next Podsednik, except this one can actually play CF.
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68880
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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I especially like the detail in reason #1,
Larry, what is your favorite part of this script?
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
by Hoytsstash on
Nov 29, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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the fact that someone decided to "statistically" analyze willy taveras
and then proceeds to conclude that the reason he’s a shitty player is that he doesn’t have enough confidence. quite rich.
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:28 AM CST
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The words "encourage", "pressure", "expectation", "overthinking",
and the phrases “if there was a stat”, “winning environment”, “boost his confidence”, and “forget about whatever is causing” do not lend themselves to any statistical analysis. Hell, even I know better than to post that shit anymore.
Is this what passes for “baseball discussion” on Soxtalk? If so, I’ll stay here (and be the resident “confidence” and “pressure” guy who can me made sport of). I like standing out as a relic.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on
Nov 29, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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Wow....
That’s a nice find and a very good read…. Someone did their homework.
He can’t be worse than what we have out there.
Larry, what do you think it would take to get him / fair market value…?
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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"He can’t be worse than what we have out there."
He cant be worse the Jerry Lee, on that your are correct. He can be worse than BA though.
If you want Willy Taveras than be happpy because we already have him in Jerry Owens.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 29, 2008 10:38 AM CST
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stop stroking BA
He isn’t good.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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no one said he was.
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by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:42 AM CST
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I am just tired of hearing people on every sox site giving him passes
and wanting him to play again. He is a fourth outfielder. ’Nough Said
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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passes?
what? he’s the best option on the team. we’d all like to get someone better. stress on the better. taveras is also a fourth outfielder.
by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Il take Tavares.
gives you more flexibility offensively…… Now don’t everyone get confused and think that I think Tavares is great….I just think he is better than Anderson.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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flip a coin then.
whatever marginal value you may argue he adds isn’t worth giving up anything for. if you’re going to improve the team, don’t fuck around with 1/8th measures.
by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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agreed
but i wouldn’t complain if they did the Broadway for Tavares deal that was talked about.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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if you can get him for junk, fine.
pipe dream.
by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:53 AM CST
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I'll take our own guy Owens.
Who packed on 10 lbs of muscle before the 08’ season to pleasure fans who don’t believe he can hit the ball past the pitcher. He’s got the 6th tool, work ethic.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by Where Triples Go to Die on
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I know you hate him
but personally I would rather see Jerry Owens than Anderson. He can also bunt, lefty, run…. I would take Tavares over Owens though. I just think Anderson is a piece of filth who’s only skill is banging drunk sluts. (A quality skill mind you) but not on my baseball team
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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his skill is defense. if you argue otherwise, you don't watch baseball.
jerry is certainly more entertaining, i’ll give you that. i prefer winning baseball games, however. ymmv.
by larry on
Nov 29, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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+1 BA.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 29, 2008 10:53 AM CST
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he plays great defense
I just think that Owens plays decent enough defense and brings more options offensively than Anderson. Plus the lineup needs a guy like Owens instead of a guy like Anderson.
It doesn’t really matter….all 3 options are pretty bad. Its a shame we have to talk about them.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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I know Im late to the party
holidays and all… but what options does Owens exactly bring except a dribbler to the infield?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
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" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on
Nov 29, 2008 11:27 AM CST
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Owens will get you more hits
steal more bases….put the threat of a steal in the mind of the pitcher causing him to lose focus…. will chase down flies in the outfield…. sure he has a bad arm but it isn’t as bad as Pods was and everyone circle jerked to him…… I don’t like Owens either…but he brings more than Anderson.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 12:13 PM CST
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not one bit
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Nov 29, 2008 1:16 PM CST
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not a chance
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on
Nov 29, 2008 1:28 PM CST
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negative.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 29, 2008 1:51 PM CST
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bump
Brings energy to the line-up. Maybe he won’t hit it past the infielders but, a guy named Castilla did a good job making a career of that.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 29, 2008 2:19 PM CST
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no way jose
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
by e-gus on
Nov 29, 2008 6:34 PM CST
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I believe....
that Brian Anderson gets all this love because he is white and funny. He hasn’t done anything on the field to warrant the type of love he gets from most white sox fans. He is AWFUL at the plate.
This is worse than the love for Rowand. At least Rowand could hit 275 for god sake
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 6:38 PM CST
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Yeah I am with you
these guys hate JO and want to trade JD because they are black!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Why because
theoretically, if he plays well, he would be much more valuable than a 8th hitter with no eye and more holes in his swing than Juan Uribe?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality. All these guys on here thought the Tigers were going to score 1000 runs and the Indians would be unstoppable. I was the only one to see it otherwise and was soon after blasted for even thinking the sox would win the division.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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intangibles,
mean nothing to these guys
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Intangibles
like being unable to lay down a proper bunt, like being unable to hit the cutoff man on the fly, like fouling every pitch over the 3rd base dugout, you mean those kind of intangibles?
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 6:52 PM CST
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and what does BA
bring to home plate?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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The same
except he can hit the cutoff man on a fly.
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 6:56 PM CST
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Good for him...
does fielding really trump a possibility of finding our center fielder/leadoff hitter in our own system before 2010?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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does BA have the ability to lead off?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Do you think lead off is that important?
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 6:58 PM CST
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I think putting a guy in that can run
is pretty important.
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by KenWo4LiFe on
Nov 29, 2008 6:59 PM CST
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YES
do I have to go on my “how steroids have changed the game” rant again?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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You missed what my question was
do you think lead off is that important that you would choose to have a guy bat at least 4 times a game who brings absolutely zero to the table other than he runs fast?
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 7:08 PM CST
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I was referring
to the change now that more stringent steroid testing has change the style of baseball being played. IIRC the Twins scored more runs than us and they had an unproven leadoff hitter to get things going. 3 guys in their line up had pop… the rest were… well… BA’s and JO’s.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Agreed
but I wouldn’t go around comparing Owens to Denard Span
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by El Duque's Raft on
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Span
didn’t start the season leading off correct? Gomez was right? Pretty much all I am arguing is that BA got his shot… doesn’t bring much offensively, and we could use a speedy lead off hitter. How did going for a leadoff guy with a high OBP go for us this year?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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go = work
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Yeah and Minnesota's offense
didn’t truly take off until Span started leading off. Gomez was yanked out of that leadoff spot once Gardy got tired of him striking out 3 times a game. If Owens becomes Span, then God please start him.
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 7:24 PM CST
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We gave BA a chance
if willy T is the next best answer we might as well keep it in house and give Owens a shot right? It is only fair… he was penciled in to start CF for us this past year correct? It was not his fault a monster emerged and there was no more room for him.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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So let me follow your logic then
the Sox tried a high OBP guy that worked for a little, but ended up not for a little, so they moved him out. Now since that didn’t work, you feel like it’s not a bad idea to give a guy with below average power, below average OB skills, and below average bunting skills a shot at lead off because it can’t be worse. Am I following that correctly?
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 7:27 PM CST
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You can practice bunting.
Who would lead off for us if it is not OCab or JO?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 29, 2008 7:28 PM CST
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You might as well let Ramirez lead off
if you use that logic
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by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 29, 2008 7:30 PM CST
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he doesn't steal bases....
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 29, 2008 7:32 PM CST
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my logic is to get rid of
thome and get some speed somewhere in the lineup whether inhouse or on another club.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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Nov 29, 2008 7:33 PM CST
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Quinseco, Dye, Konerko
and even Thome would be ok if we could add speed and talent at 3b and or CF.
Way to go danks
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Quenseco *
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Key word
is talent. There’s a reason why Willie Gault didn’t play baseball.
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right well
WE NEED SPEED… Ozzie WANTS speed… so what do you think will happen? I guarantee BA will not start centerfield for us. I have also bet my SSS membership that Dye WILL NOT be traded this offseason.
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Quenseco, Konerko, and Thome
where is the protection for Q? Gotta keep Dye because of his stability.
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he doesn't steal bases
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ARam can play center field for us
if we acquire a guy like Furcal who is a leadoff hitter.
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Span has proven
he had the tools all through the minors which is the only thing that scares me about Owens.
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how do steriods (or lack of them) help you get on base in the leadoff spot?
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Teams are getting back to playing
baseball the way it was meant to be played.
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who cares?
ask swish… His best friend on the A’s (Cust) was a roider.
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and he didn't know...
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i agree.
they also don’t believe in “clutch players” or “clutch situations”. I don’t get that either because there are guys that obviously step up when the pressure is on and guys that shy away from it. It is common in everyones personalities off of the field so why is it irrelevant on the field?
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because larry said so
and too small of a sample size. Unless you are talking about 29 days in the month of september for Thome.
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Larry is a huge sabermetrics guy.
I am obviously not. There has to be a happy medium between the two. Numbers lie…but can be a helpful tool if used to compliment actual scouting.
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Larry is a huge sabermetrics guy.
I am obviously not.
correction:
Larry is a pretty smart guy.
I am obviously not.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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larry is a smart guy
but, no one is perfect. If he is such a great evaluator of talent and sabermetrics than why is he not a scout? Everyone on here is allowed to have their opinion IMO.
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Everyone on here is allowed to have their opinion IMO.
of course everyone is entitled to their opinion
the quality of said opinion is a different ballgame though…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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Then why do the elders
blast anyone who comes up with something new or agrees with me?
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I haven’t done that
and I don’t keep track of what the others do
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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You are right you have
refrained from doing that to me, which is commendable.
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we're obligated to let stupidity take root?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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why am i not a scout?
because i already travel more than i would prefer and i’d like to make a living wage. there are many things i am qualified to do (just like most people) and would enjoy doing. there are other considerations than just am i good at something.
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rec'd wiz!
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
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how do numbers lie?
in ones perception maybe, but they record actual performance non? anyway, I reckon it’s nailed on we will trade for at the least an average MLB CF. If not then it has to be BA, it’s not as if we got great production from Swisher there last year anyway.
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There are some very irrelevant numbers.
FA, how many Wins a pitcher gets per year.
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yes, that's a number
I’ve often seen people use on here when evaluating pitchers
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are you kidding me?
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Based on that argument then
Anderson was way more clutch than Owens this year.
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He had a couple of clutch hits.
I give you that…. but Owens didn’t get the opportunity. I think Owens can be as good as Podsednik was. I didn’t care for Pods…but he was pretty successful for a half of a year.
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there was no doubt Pods
was not an xbh guy and did not have an arm. Seemed to work pretty well for us then?
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guys..GUys...GUYS ! ! !
We’re (we meaning you) are arguing about Owens and Anderson…..for the love of everything that’s holy…gather your senses, I mean SHIT ! I know its November…..but let’s get some perspective. It’s Owens and Anderson…….soup sandwich.
That may be the Jameson talkin’…
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
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pshhhhh
the argument is who we have on the team at this very moment.
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and "at this very moment"...
more Jameson….
How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.
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watch your liver
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I didn't say that
I just think that Crede, Rowand, Pods, Crede, Buehrle, Anderson(????) get more love than JD, Contreras, Freddy and Uribe because they are white. I am pretty convinced of this.
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Yah i mentioned crede twice i know save your wisecracks.
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Who do they get more love from?
Certainly not any of the people in this room. Crede, Pods, Crede, Rowand, and Crede were some of the most criticized players on this site.
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I just think that Crede, Rowand, Pods, Crede, Buehrle, Anderson(????) get more love than JD, Contreras, Freddy and Uribe because they are white.
I am pretty convinced of this.
you are pretty dumb
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Buehrle gets more love
because he’s better
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You just really are quite stupid. Same as your cohort WTGTD
Who is praising balky back Crede? Who is praising speedy, powerless Pods? Who is praising balls to the wall Rowand? They played their parts on our road to a championship, that is all. Same as JD, same as Contreras, same as Freddy, same as Uribe.
Quit acting like your are pious simply because you like a bad player because hes black.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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just think that Crede, Rowand, Pods, Crede, Buehrle, Anderson(????) get more love than JD, Contreras, Freddy and Uribe because they are white. I am pretty convinced of this.
i agree with this.
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just think that Crede, Rowand, Pods, Crede, Buehrle, Anderson(????) get more love than JD, Contreras, Freddy and Uribe because they are white. I am pretty convinced of this.
i like grinders, i can’t help it if they’re white
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sure.
there are lots of reasons for this phenomenon.
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it would be interesting if that student makes successful thesis out of that grinder/clutch survey
speaking of which, i’m back to work ;(
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in the papers anyway?
i personally wouldn’t claim to have a pulse on the fans. this is may well be the corny nugget of truth in the larger shitfest.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Much like the '08 AL Central Division Race,
this daily argument between Anderson and Owens is a tallest midget contest.
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wow
this was a great studybreak, thanks Kenwo and WTGTD
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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I have about as good of an arm as Owens
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Why the personal animus?
He’s good in CF and has occasional pop. He is a decent baserunner. You know what you are getting. It’s average.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
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Bad players raped him in little league.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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not average.
but comfortably above replacement level.
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It's average for what we are used to.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
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Way to go danks
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I would like to see Owens play at least a full season
Then we can all pass judgment or praise effectively
"If my first child is a boy his name will now be "Chad". In the event my first child is a girl her name will be "Pennington".-Rzayo 24
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I think Owens can play ball
But he’s incosistent, hell he fits right in with ’08 then
"If my first child is a boy his name will now be "Chad". In the event my first child is a girl her name will be "Pennington".-Rzayo 24
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Thank you.
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I guess as long as the team doesnt plan on competing it wont matter.
The team is supposedly going young anyhow so if playing Jerry Lee will finally shut some people up fine.
Im sure that Kenny will find some way to get talent in CF so this talk of Jesse fucking Owens can finally stop.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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You people act like I would rather see Owens
over Sizemore or something? I would rather see Owens over ANY other PLAYER competing for a spot in CENTER FIELD that is CURRENTLY on OUR roster.
Way to go danks
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Agreed!
Unless we sign someone, what harm is there for Owens to play center? Who’s the other choices, Wise and Anderson? Wise did well towards the end. Not guaranteed to see it again. I would rather see BA as a bench player who pinch runs for the dinosaurs on the team presently. He is good player, but not an effective starter due to his hitting, which is just below average.
If Kenny signs a center field like Taveras or even not likely Gary matthews Jr, then yeah the talk of dismissing JO should go. But the kid hasn’t even played a full season and when he did play towards the end of ‘07, didn’t look all that bad. Can’t hurt to give the kid a shot.
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Kid...?
He will be 28 before the season starts….
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
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which, i might add,
is in the midst of the decline phase for most players with the skill set jerry displays. considering his leg injuries last year, he’s probably about cooked.
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this is true
"If my first child is a boy his name will now be "Chad". In the event my first child is a girl her name will be "Pennington".-Rzayo 24
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Indeed... If only there was a stat about called third strikes
If only it was listed on free, independently-run reference site.
For those wondering…
Taveras took 29, 32, 28, and 38 called third strikes in ’05, ’06, ’07 and ’08, respectively.
Clearly, those 8 extra events over 500+ PAs are significant
AIM: SouthSideCheat
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Willy T sucks ass
Willy T over JO though… better base stealer.
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brilliant!

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With Several Bullpen Spots to Fill, Mets Are Making Sure to Explore All Options
The Mets remain interested in the free-agent closers Francisco Rodríguez and Brian Fuentes, but they will continue to scour the trade market for relievers before engaging in substantive discussions with either pitcher, according to two people in baseball with knowledge of their strategy.
While General Manager Omar Minaya has had only preliminary conversations with the agents for Rodríguez and Fuentes, he has had continuing discussions with at least four teams about their relievers. Minaya has had discussions about José Valverde of the Houston Astros, Huston Street of the Colorado Rockies, J. J. Putz of the Seattle Mariners and Bobby Jenks of the Chicago White Sox.
In addition to Minaya’s trade targets, the Mets are also evaluating the free agents Kerry Wood and Trevor Hoffman because they will be cheaper to sign than Rodríguez or Fuentes. Rodríguez will pursue a five-year, $75 million contract, and Fuentes could ask for a three-year deal for at least $30 million. Paul Kinzer, one of Rodríguez’s agents, has acknowledged that his client may not secure a deal worth what he is seeking.
As much as the Mets want to stabilize their bullpen, their strategy is to have options in addition to Rodríguez and Fuentes.
If the Mets add a reliever through a trade or by signing Wood or Hoffman, they could still pursue Rodríguez or Fuentes and would have more negotiating leverage.
The Mets want to add one of the top free-agent closers, but if they end up with two relievers from their other options, they seem convinced that they do not have to sign Rodríguez or Fuentes. …
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/sports/baseball/29mets.html
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why is Minaya devoting this much energy to finding a closer?
this has to be annoying to Mets fans.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Bobby is not going anywhere
unless we are getting Reyes in return. Then we can install a turn style at the mound again! YAY! Am I the only one who remembers how bad our bullpen was when Bobby was hurt and roles changed?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
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unless we are getting reyes???
haha, i thought you already killed logic
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KenWo and WTGTD are burning through that suitcase full of drugs pretty quickly.
THIS IS BAT COUNTRY!
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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why because I want the guy that was penciled in to start in 08
to start in 09? I am on drugs because of this? Maybe the team you root for is on drugs…
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who else would you TRADE bobby for? since you have brought it up so much...
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when did i ever suggest a preference to give up bobby?
i got nothing but love for the big boy, and i’m not familiar with the mets roster to even propose a half-ass trade scenario, but jose reyes for bobby jenks???
a “closer” arguably on the decline for a “shortstop” who arguably might be a top 5 player in mlb (#7 in 2008 vorp rankings)???
perhaps you’re insulting kw’s intelligence suggesting that he’s waiting for the mets to fold and hand over reyes…i would like to give you the benefit of the doubt.
just come up with something a tad more realistic, that’s all…
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SATURDAY: John Fay got Walt Jocketty to admit he’s talked to the White Sox (nothing is close). Jocketty’s non-denial about the Dye rumor seems to indicate it’s accurate.
Talking to Walt
Posted by JohnFay at 11/29/2008 5:51 PM EST on Cincinnati.com
Walt Jocketty got back to me since the previous post.
He said things have been quiet.
“Most clubs shut it down on the holidays,” he said.
On the Jermaine Dye report: “I’m not going to comment. But we have talked to the White Sox about some players. Nothing is close.” (Blogger’s note: The way tampering rules work, Jocketty can not say he’s pursuing Dye. But, in the case of Khalil Greene, he was comfortable with shooting down the rumor). So there’s probably some interest in Dye. But I’ve seen reports where the Phillies, Braves, Rays and Cardinals may be interested as well. That puts the White Solx in a strong position.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/reds-in-trade-t.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 29, 2008 7:49 PM CST
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ZZZ
The more they talk about it the less likely it is…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 29, 2008 8:33 PM CST
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jeebus, wtdtd and kenwo really shat all over this thread.
the staccato of my z key could barely keep up.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 29, 2008 8:42 PM CST
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you're telling me
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Nov 29, 2008 8:54 PM CST
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Agreed. It's also a tad dissappointing that people still choose to engage them.
by CWSKeith on
Nov 30, 2008 12:04 PM CST
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yeah, that's the biggest problem for sure.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 30, 2008 12:52 PM CST
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I found my WS Monopoly game today
so that was pretty exciting
Buehrle and Konerko are Park Place and Boardwalk respectively
I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
by U-God on
Nov 29, 2008 9:37 PM CST
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Owens = Baltic
Anderson = Mediterranean
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Nov 29, 2008 10:03 PM CST
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So you're saying he has crabs
Deadliest Catch, indeed
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Nov 29, 2008 10:06 PM CST
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I have to rec that one Cheat.
I really have no choice in the matter.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 30, 2008 4:40 AM CST
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in realness though
those are ozzie and politte
I am Mega Man, here's my mega plan, you die!
by U-God on
Nov 30, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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I really don't see how people on here are even comparing Jerry Owens and Willy Taveras
Willy T in my eyes is clearly better. I can’t think of one thing that Jerry Owens does or will do better.
If Owens were to somehow leadoff and bat 280, steal 50 bases while being caught say 8 times, play above average defense with 6 or 7 assists everyone would go crazy….
Those are Willy’s averages from the last 2 seasons in 230 games….
Oh and he is 10 months younger than Jerry Owens.
Atleast BA plays solid defense (3 errors in his career). BA is a 4th OF
To me Owens shouldn’t even be an option… I know i keep bringing up his age but he will be 28 before the season starts…. and he hasn’t proved anything…. no arm, no pop…. How can people on here honestly think that he is going to learn to bunt right now…. as if at no point in the last 15 or so years he has been playing baseball not one coach thought “Hey, we should get Jerry to work on bunting he’s really fast.”
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:19 PM CST
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I don't really dig a guy whose ceiling is a .690 OPS with a floor somewhere in the .500s...
but that’s just me.
by Craig Grebeck on
Nov 29, 2008 10:26 PM CST
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its just you
clearly
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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Nov 29, 2008 10:28 PM CST
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i'm not saying i dig him...
but looking at the numbers he is much steadier than owens or BA
and that fact that he’s younger and managed to hold down a job for the last 4 years says something…. i know that he has platooned and had a little injury but, compared to BA and Owens he seems like a dreamboat to me…
You can’t talk about Owens potential…. or Ba….
If Taveras can be had for cheap then i think he’s a better option than the 2 we have….
He’s a leads off hitter, he steals bases, he provides good defense and, he possess a strong arm…that’s more than what we have…
It’s not like i’m saying that this is my go to guy of the off season. I can think of atleast 15 other center fielders that i like more. I just think that he is better than what we currently have.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:33 PM CST
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Re reading that makes me think that it's time to slow down on the amstel lights...
sorry for the repetition in the last post.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:36 PM CST
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tallest midget.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 29, 2008 10:37 PM CST
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nice sig
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on
Nov 29, 2008 10:48 PM CST
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Nice icon
I never understand why people don’t talk about it as one of the great comedies…. and whoever the casting director was, clearly knows talent…. in fact… i think i’m going to get more beer and give it a watch…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 29, 2008 10:55 PM CST
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good man
agreed. I really appreciate the attention to detail in that film — good example, scene where little bill’s wife is getting railed on a towel at one of the colonel’s parties and he’s talking about the lighting or photography, he’s so upset that he says “my wife’s got an ass in her cock”
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on
Nov 29, 2008 11:19 PM CST
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that may have been a little graphic
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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Nov 29, 2008 11:19 PM CST
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i dont think any of that made any sense
i hate law school.
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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Nov 29, 2008 11:45 PM CST
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Just Little Bill in general is funny.
The portrait of him that Sheryl Lynn paints that is on the wall after he goes apeshit.
Anything that Buck Swope says about stereo equipment.
The pool scene where Reed and Eddie meet and are talking about weightlifting.
When they talk to the record exec about needing the tapes to get the contract to get the money for the tapes. And the fact that they own the magic on those tapes.
The entire documentary of Dirk
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Nov 30, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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you go to vince's?
no, i would have seen you there, i’m there everyday…
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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Nov 30, 2008 12:35 PM CST
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After a long night of drinking its good to know that Im not the only drunk fool around here.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Nov 30, 2008 4:54 AM CST
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