Nick Swisher Is No Longer The White Sox' Center Fielder
by The Cheat
on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM CST
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Buried among the usual White-Sox-Need-More-Speed and Vazquez-On-The-Market notes which will no doubt plague our off-season until the Willy Taveras Era begins, Dave Van Dyck finds a noteworthy quote from Kenny Williams.
"No."
That was Williams' answer when (seemingly) asked if Nick Swisher would be the White Sox everyday center fielder next season. Swisher is among the players Williams is not-so-subtly whispering about to other GMs this off-season.
The implication from that statement may not be as cut-and-dry as it first seems. Yes, the White Sox will have a more traditional center fielder next season. Yes, Swisher is among the players Williams is currently dangling in an attempt to improve the team. But the article also notes that Williams has listened to "a lot" of offers for "Veterans."
It would seem dumb to sell low on a still relatively young player of Swisher's caliber, and it goes against Williams' acquisitional style. He's the buy-low, sell broke down pitchers guy. So, if Nick Swisher is no longer the White Sox center fielder, get ready to say goodbye to Jermaine Dye, or Paul Konerko, or even Jim Thome.
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It was said on Boers and Bernstein
about a week ago that KW is telling anyone who will listen that Dye is available. Boers has a source in the organization that told him. Usually his info is pretty solid, more reliable than some of the other dopes misinforming the public. The fact that this hasn’t been picked up by any of the members of the media makes me believe it that much more. But like I said earlier, don’t read that article unless you feel the urge to douse yourself in gasoline and set yourself on fire.
by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 4, 2008 11:54 PM CST
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Anyone think a move will get done
this week?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 4, 2008 11:56 PM CST
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maybe i'd say 10:1 odds
give it 2 weeks
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on
Nov 4, 2008 11:58 PM CST
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it just seems like the sox have a lot to do
becuase the team they have is the complete opposite of the one they want…
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 4, 2008 11:59 PM CST
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No
Nothing major happens before free agency or at the GM meetings.
The major deals go down around the Winter Meetings, which are in another month
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Nov 5, 2008 12:00 AM CST
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didn't the rowand for thome trade happen in november?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:05 AM CST
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yeah just before Thanksgiving
by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 5, 2008 12:07 AM CST
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oh thats right i think i was spreading the news after school that day
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:09 AM CST
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and of course the cabrera-garland swap was in mid-november, as well.
by larry on
Nov 5, 2008 11:34 AM CST
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So nothing really happens before the winter meetings or FA.
See, the lack of statistical analysis re: the Cabrera/Garland trade on this site (I gave my well thought-out assessment already) means the trade was an unimportant event. Cosi cosi, as they say in Italian.
Rowand for Thome, also a non-event.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on
Nov 5, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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So does Kenny re-acquire Gio in the deal that sends Swisher back to Oakland?
by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 5, 2008 12:11 AM CST
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maybe if he can aqcuire the alomars and everett too
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:12 AM CST
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does anyone buy these rumors that the cubs are in the running for peavy?
what prospects do they have to send to SD ?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
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the only chance they have is to get another team in on the action. Most of this talk about acquiring him is media fodder. Don’t believe the hype
by El Duque's Raft on
Nov 5, 2008 12:13 AM CST
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ive only heard packages involving ronny cedeno... i mean come on
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:14 AM CST
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They only gave up one prospect for Harden
so, I suppose anything’s possible
but that seems extremely unlikely.
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by The Cheat on
Nov 5, 2008 12:15 AM CST
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yeah i couldn't believe that Beane accepted that deal.
we could have given them a better offer…
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:17 AM CST
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Noteworthy quote
“Swisher, who lost his outfield job late in the season, could go back to Oakland or to Boston, both of which preach patience for hitters. Swisher did not adapt to the Sox’s more aggressive style.” both preach patience but we don’t? I thought the whole point of acquiring Swish was for him to get on base? I’m confused.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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Could Carlos Beltran be our next center fielder?
“the feeling about Vazquez seems to be someone else’s big contract, offsetting his $23 million for two years.” Could a deal involving Swish and Javy for Beltran and some prospects be feasible?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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could we be able to handle 2 carlos on the same team?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:58 AM CST
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I am just looking at teams that need to shake it up...
like the Mariners and Mets. I know Kenny still wants to land us that big fish he was talking about and I have a feeling he is going to make an unexpected, huge splash this offseason. Ichiro would fill more needs but Beltran would solidify our homer heavy lineup while providing some speed.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 5, 2008 1:21 AM CST
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Yes, Ichiro would fill the "overpay for a not very good contract" need.
While Beltran would fill the “good player” quota. Hmph.
by Craig Grebeck on
Nov 5, 2008 7:35 AM CST
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isn't Beltran a Boras man?
I thought the Sox didn’t bother looking for FA deals with his clients, especially when you see that he wants a similar contract for Varitek that Posada has got.
Wear your poppy with pride.
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Nov 5, 2008 7:55 AM CST
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I don't believe he would have given those huge contracts to OD and Linebrink,
if he did not intend to keep this team a perennial world series contender. I am excited to see who will be at spring training next year.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 5, 2008 1:26 AM CST
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trade swisher for brett favre....straight up
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Nov 5, 2008 12:58 AM CST
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Now we're talking
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM CST
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HAHA
I bet Farve would play better outfield than Swisher
by dasox313 on
Nov 6, 2008 3:42 PM CST
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"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
by Toonderstrook on
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Swisher can be an upgrade in rightfield next year
which makes it all the more reasonable that Dye gets traded. It means we need to start looking at all the CFs with 1-2 year deals.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 5, 2008 1:44 AM CST
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Mariners make some sense
Ichiro and Betlre could both find a spot on the Sox
Dye, Fields, Vazquez fill their needs of power hitting and pitching.
That’s quite a few moving parts though.
by Grinder in Training on
Nov 5, 2008 8:24 AM CST
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There's no way Seattle's new management has any interest in veterans with 1-2 year contracts
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Nov 5, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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I had the same thought
maybe kenny knows JD is gone and that makes him say ‘swish isn’t the CFer’
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 5, 2008 8:33 PM CST
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BTW, the color of Swish's left arm in the picture above
makes it look like an artificial limb. If, in fact he has been playing with one real arm I believe he can be forgiven for his lousy 2nd half. I might be more patient at the plate, too, if my hero was Pete Gray.
Whoosh!
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Nov 5, 2008 8:39 AM CST
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how soon you forget the baltimore wolves.
"what's the only thing that trumps the dead grandma sympathy vote?"
"the dead mother sympathy vote."
"that's right. which once again illustrates the competency gap between the two campaigns."
by larry on
Nov 5, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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You are correct.
I thought he might have picked up a skank and did the “wolf” getaway.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on
Nov 5, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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rofl
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Nov 5, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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come on
we all know that when KW makes a move, it will be for something that no one is reporting on….. who saw the Quentin and Swisher deals coming last year?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 5, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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Blocbuster??
I think the Mets and the Sox match up well for a block buster. The Mets would love Javy. If we added Dye, Fields or Anderson, and a reliever I think that could be enough to pry Beltran or maybe even Wright and a possibly Luis Castillo. I think the $$ would be pretty neutral and both teams would fit needs. If the deal was for Beltran it would be Anderson and if for Wright it would be Fields.
Sarasota Sox Fan
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Nov 5, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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not a chance in hell
we have enough to get david wright….. teams usually dont just throw around 25 year old franchise third basement for a 3/4 starter and a 30 something year old immobile RF’er.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
Nov 5, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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CQ, Poreda, Fields and Alexei for Wright.. and we have to take Castillo’s contract.
by Grinder in Training on
Nov 5, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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I think Dye, Vazquez, Jenks + Cash does it
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 5, 2008 11:18 AM CST
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that would prolly get beltran
but wright isn’t getting moved. not a chance.
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Nov 5, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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Thanks for playing.
Come on, Winter Meetings…
Whoosh!
by winningugly on
Nov 5, 2008 11:27 AM CST
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we will not contend if we trade jenks.
did you forget shingo and koch? And by my estimation Jenks is our only decent reliever.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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are you kidding me?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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I shit my pants every time Matt Thorton takes the mound...
in a good rex bad rex sorta way. Face it SSS WE ARE NOT TRADING JENKS NO MATTER WHAT. DO NOT EVEN MENTION THAT CRAZY TALK.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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WE ARE NOT TRADING JENKS NO MATTER WHAT
I was saying that about bmac
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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Nov 5, 2008 8:36 PM CST
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this is fucking nonsense.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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you think it is logical to trade jenks?
did he fuck all your mothers or something? I don’t get why ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would trade one of the top closers in the games. As soon as we traded him… we would be out looking to trade for bobby jenks. This is just retard talk and should be stopped. It is not going to happen, I will bet my SSS membership on that.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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there are a couple of very logical reasons to trade jenks, and i like bobby as much as the next guy.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on
Nov 5, 2008 5:51 PM CST
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your logic fails. you should only trade guys when their value is at an all-time low. apparently every gm is now ed wade.
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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Nov 5, 2008 5:55 PM CST
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god bless america.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on
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re: trading jenks
don’t his numbers keep going down?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Nov 5, 2008 8:41 PM CST
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flagged
for believing Thorton can close games.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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flagged
for repeatedly putting words in peoples’ mouths.
by larry on
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like who?
you put a logic picture under “we cut matt thornton?”.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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You also write "repeatedly" please give me an example where
I put words in someones mouth….
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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to me: i think it's logical to trade jenks.
to grinder: he thinks thornton can close games.
by larry on
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you don't win many cases do you?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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as opposed to your sterling win-loss record on this site?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on
Nov 5, 2008 3:20 PM CST
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I don't think larry needs nor wants you to jump into his battles.
Go find someone else to annoy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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oh i know larry doesn't need me jumping in
but you never seem to make a point when you argue. you’re quickly becoming ssh
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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larry is trying to back peddle
and I won’t let him. He said I was putting words in his mouth… while in REALITY he agreed with Grinder by posting a picture under Grinder’s comment talking about logic.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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yes, i agreed with grinder that we had not cut matt thornton and that he is a decent reliever.
what’s the problem?
by larry on
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LOL
I felt that he was implying that Thorton can close… You know… in agreeing with jbasic sorta way. I can see how you feel that he was just giving my statement a rebuttal but the whole argument was over trading jenks. Is anyone here comfortable with Thornton as our closer?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
by Toonderstrook on
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aww, shucks, thanks for noticing.
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
by Toonderstrook on
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larry is not a salesman,
thus he doesn’t peddle either back or front.
Whoosh!
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*pedal
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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You are like a fucking mosquito.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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ARGUMENT:
we will not contend if we trade jenks.
did you forget shingo and koch? And by my estimation Jenks is our only decent reliever.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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REBUTTAL:
We cut Matt Thornton?
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ARGUMENT:
We cut Matt Thornton?
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Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on
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You are all gay
This is a terrible and pitiful argument. Get a room Queers!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on
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quit being a homo
go polish your little league trophies. fool.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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It is worth noting that the Mets clearly need a corner OF
in addition to their starting pitching.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
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bullpen
don’t forget the bullpen that hurt them this year. Jenks? Thorton? Dotel? Linebrink?
Sarasota Sox Fan
by boot2112 on
Nov 5, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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I know not of this dasox that you speak of
Sarasota Sox Fan
by boot2112 on
Nov 5, 2008 10:33 AM CST
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fighting for florida sss supremacy?
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
by Toonderstrook on
Nov 5, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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I've already bested Florida Jim. Boot is in my crosshairs.
It helps that I am under 80.
Whoosh!
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Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM CST
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working your way up to mandelbaum. the main event.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
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You think you're better than me, lawyer boy?
It’s go time!
(Where’d I put my teeth?)
Whoosh!
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No worries
I am not here to put Magic Pan out of business. I check this site everyday and all of you regular posters do a great job. I rarely chime in with anything but the Mets/Sox thing is something I have been thinking about for awhile. They are just good trade partners right now. I also know that there has been a lot of talk in the Mets org that they need to change the make up of the team and there are factions that question Wright’s “clutchness” as he has really had bad Septembers the last two years as they blew the division.
Sarasota Sox Fan
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who could forget his historically terrible
1.034 OPS in Sept/Oct of 07
and his shameful .993 in Sept/Oct of 08
DFA him
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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teams don't even have to DFA guys who put up those numbers.
they just voluntarily retire, crushed by the stark, brutal knowledge that they’re terrible baseball players. 3 out of every 7 players who do so end up killing themselves within 5 years. usually by drowning. in front of their children.
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As they set Pinocchio on fire
and torture Jiminy Cricket in a very bad place.
Whoosh!
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choke!!
Cashing checks and having sex.
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WOOO
Check out the main story at ESPN.com….!
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
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does this confirm we have the smartest fan base?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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not if youre included.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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phew. what a relief to overtake the rangers fans.
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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Obama’s allegiance to the Sox (he does not hesitate to express his scorn for fans of the Chicago Cubs) and his support for an Olympics in Chicago are absolute. In an interview with ESPN’s Stuart Scott that aired on “SportsCenter” in August, Obama was asked who he would root for in a Cubs-White Sox World Series. This was his answer: “Oh, that’s easy. White Sox. I’m not one of these fair-weather fans. You go to Wrigley Field, you have a beer; beautiful people up there. People aren’t watching the game. It’s not serious. White Sox, that’s baseball. South Side.”
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
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Logical move
It seems would be to trade Konerko or Thome, though you might not get good enough value for either of them, and have Swisher play his best position at 1B. But then again, when has the logical move been made recently?
I understand trading Javy, Guillen having ushered him out the door by calling him out repeatedly and lets face it, the guy is a .500 pitcher who will torture you with his talent but never produce up to it. But we can’t go into next season with Buehrle and 2 kids who outperformed nearly everyone’s expectations. I would be happily surprised if they had the same numbers next year. If we’re going to send out Javy for IF/OF then who do we pick up to fill his role? Big Game Freddy? Just tough to send out a durable workhorse when your stable is only filled with ponies.
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sure
a few roadblocks…
a) NTC
b)bad contracts
c)declining stats
d)not going to get anything in return to KW’s likings.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
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seems then we come back to the logical move being trading dye, hmmm.
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im ok with it
and obviously we know KW wouldnt take useless parts in return.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
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dye has a ntc as well,
although it is limited. SO you guys can shut the fuck up when it comes to trading guys with NTC’s considering DYE HAS ONE!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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you've been doing some graverobbing recently, huh.
no difference between full and limited NTC. none whatsoever.
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i liked it better
when he was just the annoying caps lock guy
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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u-god i liked it better when you weren't here.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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of course there is
but don’t try and tell me we can’t trade thome or konerko when dye can only be traded to a # of teams.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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isn't his NTC only to like 6 teams?
not really much of an obstacle
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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huh? have you been drinking or something?
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look, a ntc is a ntc whether it is limited or not.
Maybe the team that Dye doesn’t want to be traded to is the match, or Konerko or Thome would waive theirs to be traded to LA. I am just going to laugh some more when one of the cholesterol brothers are gone and you are left with your full ntc argument.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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One NTC is not the same as another NTC when one of them is only for 6 teams. Good lord, 23 no-hassle options for Dye, zero for the others. Do you understand how that makes it completely different?
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Why do you think there is absolutely
no chance either of these guys would waive it? THERE IS NO CHANCE IN HELL EITHER GUY WOULD WAIVE IT HUH? NO ONE HAS EVER WAIVED A FULL NTC.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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it's just rather unlikely.
especially in the case of thome – i think i’d put that one rather close to the “no chance in hell” pile. konerko? maybe. but to waive the guy usually has to get something in return – more guaranteed cash, another year, what have you. the problem with that scenario is 1) konerko’s contract already looks pretty bad; 2) it looks so bad that why would someone add more to it; 3) the sox are rarely, if ever, inclined to send money with players; and 4) konerko is still useful enough to the sox, while still being a sunk cost, for them to not want to junk him for nothing. finding a match with all these concerns is just extremely unlikely. it’s far easier, and more attractive from both the sox and the potential trade partners’ perspective, to solve the problem by trading dye.
by larry on
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then trade swisher....
don’t trade Dye. I see no point trading Dye… He is one of the most consistent players in all of baseball.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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trade Dye at the trading deadline of 2010
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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isn't dye though a lot closer to the cliff than swisher?
do you take the ‘wait till summer 2010’ gamble?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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Tough call...
He has stayed relatively healthy over the past couple years, has been the best hitter on our team, and brings a whole lotta leadership and an intimidating factor to our team. The Sox are shopping the cholesterol brothers and there seems to be interest in them. I will make this argument real easy. If we are going to trade one of the big 4 then I would like them to exhaust the trade market in this order. Don’t say anything about NTC’s I am just stating in what order I believe we should be shopping our big 4. We can worry about NTC’s later.
1. Thome (Straight up bum, trade him at all costs! Had an alright year during garbage time and has some value.)
2. Konerko (Would be happy for anything in return, maybe his value is higher than we assume?)
3. Swisher (nice contract don’t really want to trade him if we don’t have to)
4. Dye (perennial mvp candidate)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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Garbage time = MIN playoff game, eh?
Your expectations are like a Yankee fan’s, Kenwo.
Whoosh!
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garbage time.
2 big hits in 2 months and he is some type of god? I have already showed you when he hit his home runs. I really don’t think many of you watch every game. I missed maybe 10 games this summer, I think I have a pretty good idea when this guy hit his home runs. Now if you want to believe me or not, that is another story.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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for like the ninety seven millionth time.
who fucking cares when he hits home runs. runs count the same in the first inning as they do in the ninth. it is irrelevant. stop. i question whether you are retarded for continuing to repeat this silly argument.
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Kenwo?
I like Thome you douche why am i brought up in this
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Mea culpa - I thought you had wanted to
DFA Thome. It is PK you can’t stand. My bad.
You jamoke.
Whoosh!
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Konerko can go.
Thome stays. if you trade him you will need left handed power anyway.
you stroke.
Kenwo4life=ratings
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larry please tell u-god to stop following you around
He thinks you are Jesus H. Larry literally.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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not really
i’ve argued with him on the site before too. i just don’t think too much of people who’s entire argument seems to be just for argument’s sake and never seem to say anything relevant.
and that’s all i’ve got
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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if i do not say anything relevant
then why do you get such an urge to put your 2 cents in every time?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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posters sense my power and they follow the larry. i do not avoid posters, WTGTD. but I do deny them my essence.
by larry on
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Or Mandrake. Whatever.
Makes as much sense as this argument. THIS is the post-Bush era? Can’t we get a fresh start? Or waht?
Whoosh!
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mandarin?
commie!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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lol
when I read your post I hear Mr. Peterman from Seinfeld in my head.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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that works, too. and is significantly less foreboding.
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I also hear Jason Alexander's
voice anytime I read WU.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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gotta run
i guess i owe my girl an anniversary card.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
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nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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you defintion of logic strikes me as a little shakey.
by larry on
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zing
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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bara bing bara boom!
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
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if you hve a logjam at 1b
its logical to unjam it
by Shakey on
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not in the face of the above.
and what about the corner outfield logjam
by larry on
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and
the overpayed, shitty reliever logjam….. oh wait, we only have like one and a half of those
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on
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isn't that a differnce between logical and feasible
by Shakey on
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good answer.
glad we could talk it out. see you out there champ
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"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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rather the point of logic to start from premises that are actually reflective of reality
i generally provide perfunctory answers such as the above when someone says something totally ridiculous. like when someone rapes the definition of logic.
by larry on
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logic was already brutally murdered. and now someone comes along and rapes its definition. it's a sick world out there.
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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logic has been sodomized by you before as well
lawyer boy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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which logjam
is stronger?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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INFIINITE REC'D
SHAKEY IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND ON HERE! NOT THAT I HAD ONE BEFORE…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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infinite rec'd
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
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is this like free verse poetry?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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wow
prolly shouldn’t try arguin with larry unless you’re at full mental strength
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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prolly shouldn’t try arguin with larry unless you’re at full mental strength
fixed.
"i helped move the body because that mafia motherfucker was gonna beat the shit outta me."
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Pair of pitchers from India eye major league opportunities
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-11-04-india-pitchers_N.htm
This I have to see….
The first time they saw a baseball game, watching USC play Washington State, Patel was confused.
“What did the shortstop do wrong?” he asked.
House: “Why do you say that?”
Patel: “He’s the only one in the infield without a base.”
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
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I for one welcome our totally confused Indian overlords
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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If the Cubs signed one of these guys
would frat boys be running around in the bleachers with red dots and Big Gulps? Then claim they’re wearing them to ‘make them feel welcome’
by El Duque's Raft on
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sort of like how you chose orlando's "raft" as part of your username to make him feel more welcome on the south side?
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you mean that isn't actually the vessel orlando clung to as he made his journey?
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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yes
my user name is the same thing as parading around the cell with a raft around me or wearing a rice farmer’s hat to profess my love for Iguchi.
by El Duque's Raft on
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"sort of like"
good natured ribbing. you chose a stereotype, too.
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well technically his raft did exist
;)
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Gestalt on SSS.
I lovve you guys.
Whoosh!
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"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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That is the best one ever.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on
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The Sox should trade Q for Jose Reyes
am I doing it right?
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bastard fuckers you arseholes
fucking cunts, bastard twatting fucking bonfire night, little cunts with there bangs and flashes, wankers.
I’ve lost my cat Stan, he has run off, he never goes anywhere apart from to sit under my car outside the barn.
I’m not happy.
Wear your poppy with pride.
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is guy fawkes day really that big over there?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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big
it’s a fucking nightmare I hate it, bangs booms, flashes and lights all fucking day and night long.
I’ve lost my cat and he never goes anywhere.
fucking Guy Fawkes night.
Wear your poppy with pride.
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always seemed like a weird thing to celebrate to me
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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Guy, guy, guy
Poke him in the eye,
Put him on the bonfire,
And there let him die
Wear your poppy with pride.
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The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
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historically it's an interesting story
Fawkes represented the forces of reaction in trying to re-instate a Catholic King in England, and destroy the infant democracy. Fawkes was a a ‘recusant’ in that he didn’t comply with the English reformation.
of course all this is not gonna get my fucking cat back
Wear your poppy with pride.
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Time for some new pussy, hoodie.
I’m confident you can do it.
Whoosh!
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are we talking about stan or the missus?
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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they are both irreplacable
and not only that toond, the historic Tetleys brewery is closing in Leeds. an absolute disgrace, no more Tetleys bitter brewed in Leeds, Stan gone, the missus has just made me a cup of tea so I have a chink of light.
Wear your poppy with pride.
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I'm sorry for your loss, hoodie.
I am. Stan’s bound to turn up.
Whoosh!
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i'm sorry for the brewery loss. and i too am sure stan will return.
"your swordsmanship is amateur at best."
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Aim your anger towards WTGTD, he deserves it.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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Getting rid of Swisher = the dumb
He had a shitty season, get rid of Paulie and put him at first
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Nick Swisher
Swisher had a down season. He hit and fielded horrible. I don’t think the White Sox should trade him saying they gave up Ryan Sweeney, Gio Gonzalez for him.
by dasox313 on
Nov 6, 2008 3:44 PM CST
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Yanks offer
Johnny Damon straitup, deal or no deal?
personally though, I think trading Swisher now is dumb. but if it’s a vet that might be able to play CF your looking for and might actually be avalible and good at the same time, Johnny D might be the most logical choice.
From the Yanks perspective, that’s a good sell high move too. sure they’re probably better off in 09 to just throw him in CF instead of the horrors of Melky Cabrera, but in the longer run Swisher’s upside + salary and flexibility would make things alot easier than going out there everyyear and plop down 10M on the Kevin Millars of the world.
by RollingWave on
Nov 9, 2008 8:51 PM CST
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I still don't see this happening
Holiday to the A’s by the way
by 815Sox on
Nov 10, 2008 1:51 PM CST
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