Dayan Viciedo is a Free Agent, On White Sox Wish List
Joe Cowley earned himself a bit of a scoop Saturday with the news that not only had Dayan Viciedo, who has been called "Cuba's Best Teen Talent," successfully skirted the draft process and been declared a free agent,
but the Sox appear to have something of an inside track to acquiring the current third baseman (who projects more as a 1B/DH). Viciedo, like Alexei Ramirez and Jose Contreras, is represented by Jamie Torres (who figures to be Cowley's connection here).
According to Baseball America, he's comparable to Angel Villalona, the Giants' top position prospect who recently signed for a $2.1M bonus as a 16-year old out of Venezuela. Villalona was originally signed as a SS, who projected to be a 3B in the majors, but was immediately placed at 3rd once he started pro ball. He now figures to be a 1B by the time he reaches the majors. Viciedo is said to be even more of a big body than Villalona, with Torres comparing him to a linebacker. But at least one scout liked his bat better than Villalona's."[The Sox] have shown a lot of interest," Torres said. "It seems they have done a lot of research. To be honest, they do have an edge having Alexei and Jose. If I were to tell you they didn't, I would be lying. They are an organization that got Alexei and are very happy. Chicago is a very attractive place."
"His body could go the same route as Livan Hernandez, and when I saw him in Mexico, he wasn’t very good at third base anymore," one international scouting director said. "But he can really hit; in fact, I think he’s probably a better hitter than Villalona."
What are the Sox chances of signing Viciedo?
I'd say the Sox chances are probably slightly less than they were last year with Alexei Ramirez. I say slightly less because of Viciedo's youth. Let's recall the Ramirez signing...
Last off-season, we were collectively quite excited at the news that Ramirez had defected--Seriously, read some of those comments--and followed his progress closely during the winter leagues. A poor showing in the DWL and a lack of interest from other teams tempered our enthusiasm considerably when the Sox signed him shortly before Christmas.
As we stated in our first post about Alexei, he was basically fully developed. He is what he's going to be (essentially). Viciedo, however, will have some time to develop. So while the market for Alexei was limited because teams didn't see much projection, the market for Viciedo will be much deeper, as many teams will see this as an opportunity to add an extra high-round draft pick to their '08 class.
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Lets sign him
I looooooove power hitting islanders!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 8, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why not
quite frankly, by the time he’s ready all the 1B/DH types could be gone.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
or they might all still be around.
Imagine the logjam then.
Thome
Konerko
Swish
JD
Viciedo
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And throw in Fields as a 3B/1B for good measure.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think, presumably, he'd be far away enough that position doesn't matter yet.
And he looks like he’s actually 19.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Im aware of that.
Was just having fun. Thome is gone after this season and Viciedo would need at least a year in Bham/Charlotte to develop and see what he can do.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... he appears to have a thick build...
Would be a nice signing IMO.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he has sufficient obp and power yes.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in other words, if he's good
the power looks natural, but it could be that he’s a hacker, being from Cuba and all.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the power will be the, but like you say he is from Cuba.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there*
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuba swings at everything.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that a communism joke?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 8, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me check with the party
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we definately shouldn't sign this guy
We have Josh Fields…..
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Nov 9, 2008 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice writeup cheat
so if you had to lay the line on the Sox getting Viciedo, what would you put it at?
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If he's compared to Villalona
could be in the multi-millions. of course, there could be a bidding war.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i meant the odds we get him.
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
25-30% chance
They have the resources and the interest, but they could get outbid due to high interest
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by The Cheat on Nov 8, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would be too much for the Sox?
Villalona comps are pretty high praise.
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first stumbling block
would probably be a major league contract… If somebody is willing to give him a Kendry Morales deal, the Sox are out
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by The Cheat on Nov 8, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have room on the 40 man?
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm not super familiar with what a major league contract entails, actually.
Does he have to be on the 25 man then?
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
just the 40-man… it starts eating up his options.
He’d be out of options by age 22 or 23. Like Wily Mo Pena
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by The Cheat on Nov 8, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember the last time the Sox gave a kid a major league contract
well, it was a fun thought anyway. Brandon Allen will be ample DH production… unless he gets traded or busts. Both are very likely.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, thanks.
Hmm. Well no wonder the Sox don’t do that. That’s gotta be a terrible idea for all but the very finished prospects. Viciedo is definitely not that, right? I don’t know what the national team baseball circuit is like.
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, as long as he isn't
a top 3-ish pick equivalent to every team, he won’t get a major league contract offer, right?
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
lots of teams give major league contracts to even high-schoolers nowadays.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right. usually top talents. like the infamous rick porcello.
by larry on Nov 8, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so i'm pretty much on point there?
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by colintj on Nov 8, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but the thing is, a Villalona type talent would be a top five draft pick
and it only takes one team to think him deserving of it for him to be offered one. If Morales could get an ML contract, so can Viciendo.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's the rawness that's most at issue
if the consensus is that he can’t contribute post haste, then it won’t happen.
my tentative logic: i doubt there are more than ten clubs in on the bidding considering the likely price. i also tend to think that the smartest clubs are the ones that recognize the profit in spending now to avoid FA signings later. so that’s the market as i see it higher payroll/capital/whatev that are prospect oriented. i think it makes it unlikely that just one team will make a major league offer. if he deserves it, multiple teams will probably judge him worthy.
another thing: remember that Kenny said that he never intended to have Alexei in Charlotte on account of the culture barrier. would that be in play here? how long has he been in the States and what has he been doing? in any case, it’s a good thing Alexei is going to be here for a while. he’ll probably be a good candidate for an extension if he has another good year at the plate and plays a good short, too. as long as he can run and hit for average, he’ll be useful.
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by colintj on Nov 9, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Joe Cowley was on The Score earlier today and he was saying that this Dayan kid would have a shot at making a team out of ST, and also that Alexei has said that Dayan is ‘as ready’ (for the Majors, I presume) as he was when he signed.
Take it for what it’s worth, just an interesting note reallly.
by The Big Hurt on Nov 9, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this argument burned me with ramirez
but every cuban has been hyped as “ready for the majors now/really soon.” ramirez is now the only one who has come to the US and played in the majors without time in the minors. i’d be very skeptical of how ready these players are considering the past.
by larry on Nov 9, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Cat Stan has returned
I’m sure that you are all as happy as I am with this.
I should have kicked him up the arse, but he ended up getting a fresh Manx kipper to eat, I am far too soft.
regards
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 8, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
good to hear
stan a purebred or just a regular DSH or DLH?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Nov 8, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no he's not pure bred
but he’s very cool, White Sox Colours, Jet Black with a snow white chest.
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 8, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on Nov 8, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll fucking raise a pint of tetley's or tt's to that, budday.
"i'm sorry...you met me at a very strange time in my life."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 8, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad the old puss is back.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray! That is great news. I haven't been very participatory in the past week, since I was in Chicago, but I did catch that you were missing your gato.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ta to all of you
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 11, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose lays down the law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU7MtBSGL_A
click the “high quality” link that’s below the volume button
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 8, 2008 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
with announcer audio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYwih3xvRAg
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 8, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unrelated but
I have John Danks e-mail address
should we try for an interview?
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Nov 8, 2008 8:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why not
the worst thing that happens is he says no
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 8, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
depending on who feeds u-g the questions...
the worst thing that might happen would be if he said yes.
"i'm sorry...you met me at a very strange time in my life."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 8, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't sent the e-mail yet
i feel like i should wait for one of the higher-ups to give me the green light seeing as i’d be representing the site
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Nov 8, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
email Cheat
i’m pretty sure he’ll rubber stamp anything promising, which this obviously is. plus you have the requisite love of wu tang and frisky dingo.
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by colintj on Nov 9, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
viciedo's stats
http://www.beisbolcubano.cu/home/default.asp click Estadísticas on the right hand side (47, 46, 45)
http://www.inder.cu/beta/competitions/baseball/Campeonato_Nacional/Serie_Nacional/2005/BEIPRAL1.htm
NOMBRE CB VB C H AVE 2B 3B HR TB SLU BR CR CI SH SF DB BB SO BD CPA CIPA VIEV JJ INN E TL AVE DP PB BR CR POS
VICIEDO PEREZ, DAYAN 361 323 54 109 .337 16 4 14 175 .542 3 4 58 1 4 12 21 44 6 150 36 13 86 717.0 14 233 .940 13 0 0 0 3B-CF-RF
http://www.inder.cu/beta/competitions/baseball/Campeonato_Nacional/Serie_Nacional/2006/Beibs/beio1al1.htm
NOMBRE JJ CB VB C H AVE 2B 3B HR TB SLU BR CR CI SH SF DB BB BI SO BD IO EE EBF
VICIEDO PEREZ, DAYAN 90 369 301 39 76 .252 14 3 8 120 .399 2 4 35 6 1 12 49 12 52 14 0 6 15
http://www.inder.cu/beta/competitions/baseball/Campeonato_Nacional/Serie_Nacional/2007/BeiHtml/BEIPRALA.HTM
NOMBRE CB VB C H AVE 2B 3B HR TB SLU BR CR CI SH SF DB BB SO BD CPA CIPA VIEV JJ INN E TL AVE DP PB BR CR POS
VICIEDO PEREZ, DAYAN 36 33 3 4 .121 1 0 2 11 .333 0 0 6 0 1 0 2 9 1 14 2 1 11 75.0 2 27 .926 0 0 0 0 3B
the cuban series is from november to march
so 2007 is 2007-2008
I think I see
.337, 16/4/14, 21/44, in 361 PAs in 2005-2006 (BA, 2B/3B/HR, BB/K)
.252, 14/3/8, 49/52 in 369 PAs in 2006-2007 (BA, 2B/3B/HR, BB/K)
.121, 1/0/2, 2/9 in 36 PAs in 2007-2008 (BA, 2B/3B/HR, BB/K)
btw, here’s his wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DayC3A1n_Viciedo
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by The Wizard on Nov 8, 2008 10:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hopefully Clay Davenport runs them like he did Alexei's
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by colintj on Nov 9, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Contreras
Just to recruit with Alexi. If we can keep a talent pipeline coming in from Cuba, it might make up for some of those years of shit drafts.
If this comes down to money (not my money) then why not sign him… It doesn’t cost you a draft pic and the payoff could be huge…
Thome, Konerko, and Dye all come off the books in the next couple years… It’s not like we are on the hook for major money long term at those positions.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Nov 9, 2008 12:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They're keeping Contreras one way or another.
It’s not like his contract is moveable.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 9, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
job cuts come to baseball.
d-backs fire 31 employees.
The Diamondbacks cut 31 employees from their front office Friday, moves that team President Derrick Hall said were a result of rising expenses and a sluggish economy.
“This move was strictly about efficiency,” Hall said. “We had to take a good, hard look at how efficiently we were operating, especially in a challenging economic climate.”
The cuts amounted to about a 9 percent reduction in staff, leaving the club with close to 300 full-time employees. Hall said the team had the largest full-time workforce in baseball and still is among the top 5.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2008/11/08/20081108spt-dbacks.html
by larry on Nov 9, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
kenny
“It’s been part of my message for the last couple of months when I got a look at my 401(k),” Williams said. “What it means ultimately is that you have to think long and hard before you give up a young player for a veteran player, because you have a greater cost associated with that veteran player. And at the end of the day you want to keep the lights on.”
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_10937294
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by The Wizard on Nov 9, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just read that he has questionable commitment.
I don’t care I still like the term “light tower power” and the fact that he is 19. Sign him. He looks like one of my favorites of all time Carlos Lee!
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 9, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
phil rogers
Hyped by his agent as having walked away from a chance to become “the Babe Ruth of Cuba,” 19-year-old third baseman Dayan Viciedo is as much a project as a high-level prospect.
Viciedo, a free agent who is being pursued by the White Sox and other organizations, was an all-star at 16 in Cuba’s highest level, the Serie Nacional, but had gained weight and reportedly gone backward before defecting to the United States last May.
He has light-tower power and a strong arm, but his tools are raw and his commitment was questioned during his last two seasons in Cuba. Peter Bjarkman, an expert on Cuban baseball, has described Viciedo as an underachiever with a poor work ethic.
Texas Rangers broadcaster Eric Nadel, who travels regularly to Cuba, says Viciedo was “supposed to be the next Omar Linares when he was 14 or 15, but nobody would make that sort of comparison anymore or even close to it.”
Nadel says Viciedo was not among Cuba’s top third basemen when he defected.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-09-rogers-boxnov09,0,1587045.story
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by The Wizard on Nov 9, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Buck O'Neil and Black Baseball in Chicago' on WYCC Ch. 20 at 8:30 pm (encore thursday)
Museum documentary premiere to air tonight
Buck O’Neil and Black Baseball in Chicago will also appear on WYCC-TV on Thursday evening.
A unique look at the roots of local minority baseball will be on display tonight, when the Chicago Baseball Museum documentary Buck O’Neil and Black Baseball in Chicago makes its television debut on WYCC-TV at 8:30 p.m. The station will air an encore presentation at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 13.
The film features O’Neil’s last known in-depth interview, which took place in Kansas City in 2004, two years before his death at 94 years of age. In the sitdown, he reminisces about the Negro League in the days of segregation as well as the major leagues in the early stage of integration.
O’Neil spent more than 30 years with the Cubs as a scout, and as the first black coach in the major leagues, he was instrumental in the future Hall of Fame careers of Ernie Banks, Lou Brock and Billy Williams among other African-American players. He also had close relationships with Minnie Minoso, Oscar Gamble and other White Sox players over the years.
“We are very encouraged by the early reviews on our documentary,” said Dr. David Fletcher, Chicago Baseball Museum president. “The impact and significance of Buck O’Neil and the Negro League have been largely overlooked over the years, and we feel privileged to give them their proper due. The history of Chicago baseball is ripe with great stories such as these, and our goal is to share them with the public in the future.”
Although O’Neil fell one vote short of induction before he passed away, many recognize his to be a Hall of Fame career. As a first baseman with the Kansas City Monarchs in the Negro American League, he claimed two batting titles. As Monarchs manager, his teams captured four pennants. Later in his career, in the role of scout, coach and good-will ambassador, O’Neil did much to bridge the racial gap that existed in the game.
In his youth, O’Neil was a frequent visitor to the South Side, where he watched the Chicago American Giants play in Negro League games at the Southside Grounds at 39th and Princeton, the original White Sox home. After the 1940 season, the Giants relocated to Comiskey Park at 35th and Shields, where they competed against O’Neil and his Monarchs teams often. He also took part four in East-West All-Star Games, which were played at Comiskey Park annually.
http://www.chicagobaseballmuseum.org/

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by The Wizard on Nov 9, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Truth be told re: Buck...
Back in the day I made a doc for PBS called ‘Only the Ball was White’ and I went around the country intv. negro leaguers like Satchel, Buck Leonard and Campy. Buck was an okay player but he was no Buck Leonard — the black Lou Gehrigand HOF, or Jimmie Cruthchfield (from Chgo) who made a bare handed catch in the East-West all star game in comiskey in 1933. I’m glad Buck is getting kudos, but there were many others more deserving who died in obscurity. Remember that Josh Gibson, the best of the best, died of a stroke at 35 after years of drug addiction and insanity.
by RoyEgan on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was an EXCELLENT piece of work, sir.
Btw, if I recall correctly didn’t you “come up” at Image Union? Pretty sure that’s where I know you from.
Though at my age I could be misremembering it…
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guilty as charged. how do u remember image union?
by RoyEgan on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, because I'm probably older than you?
Tom Weinberg, Jamie Cesar… most talented folks. Never missed a show in the 70’s, probably into the 80’s though it’s a little fuzzy. Even helped TW by intoducing him to a money guy when he was trying to launch low-power radio stations. Don’t know if anything came of it but TW gave me the sagest advice: “Don’t worry about someone stealing your idea. There’s a dozen more where that one came from”. Worked for me.
Also, I dabbled in your business for a while. Had a show on ’FLD, then sold my interest when it moved to cable.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at wttw from 78-82...
Tom and I did a lot of crazy shit — and we got paid for it. Image Union was a blast. Ever see the Veeck piece he did, or the one on Vito Marzullo? OMG, classic. What was your show on FLD?
by RoyEgan on Nov 10, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course I saw them! The Veeck piece was my alltime favorite...
I’d rather not say the name here, but the story of how I sold it to them is a classic.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy, I appreciated that documentary. Great job.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Creative advertising placement!

http://deadspin.com/5081194/speedos-olympic-success-leads-to-financial-dilemma-for-universities
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by The Wizard on Nov 9, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
getz isn't only a baseball player
“If we started camp today, he’s our second baseman,” general manager Kenny Williams said of the 25-year-old. “He’s a baseball player, and he’s grown up in the White Sox way.”
http://www.freep.com/article/20081109/SPORTS02/811090440/1048/SPORTS
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by The Wizard on Nov 9, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Dayan's kit
keeping it in true Guantanamo Bay style.
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 9, 2008 5:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd take a run at him. We need help in either corner IF position
and we’re on a Cuban roll.
I’m also depressed because I was much more creative in my posts last year. Age is a beeyatch.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 6:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey WU!!!
Thanks for the early birthday present!!! You are a warm and giving person. And the delivery gal was something special too…
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My stripper showed up?
You’re welcome. Hope you have a good time.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hold on now.
he’s the father. that’s his stripper.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is correct, she's mine.
but i understand that rentals are available.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I sent a real stripper, even though I had to search for his address.
I went to www.ObamaOPOS.com and there her was!
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw, i assume you saw the front page of the NY Times?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/business/media/10silver.html?hp
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see he took our advice.
During the campaign, Mr. Silver had learned a thing or two about television polish: he smoothed his hair, ironed his jacket, applied Visine drops and dabbed on concealer before a "hit," as he had learned to call it.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how his Sox prediction of 72-90 is used in the article.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great, more reading material for colin to masturbate to
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please.
All I ever get is sad love
the unrequited kind is all I have procured
And it was nothing at all
like what I’ve heard about love
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dating the Jergen's sisters wasn't so bad...
don’t know what it’s like having fun with the Brothers Karamazov though.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tongue in cheek man
i found out about 538 cuz of you, hearty thanks.
but that indie babble response isn’t helping your cause btw
better log off before WU makes issue with my presence.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 10, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the boy was late to the 538 party!
some of us knew Nate as Poblano at DKos.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't read the kos
i stick to zmag like a true lefty.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 10, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kos is a wasteland
though I will say that the whole “Dean in 2004”, his DNCing and talk of the “50 state plan” had me prepared to grapple with Obama in ‘08. but I eventually couldn’t deal with the leftsanity.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
considering the beloved status Kevin Barnes has here
I can hardly help myself.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hermie getting usual props from will caroll
mentioned in summary of the Dick Martin Award for Best Medical Staff
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 10, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
minor nugget from merkin, along with the other usual offseason talk.
Outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. and backup catcher Toby Hall had their team options declined, and neither player is expected back at this point.
first time i’ve seen a more definite statement re: hall.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
kneejerk reaction 1, patience 0
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't quite remember the FA lists, but aren't there better C options out there?
I thought I saw Ross and Olivo as free agents, particularly Olivo — guy can hit lefties, even if it is SLG heavy and not very OBP-y.
by CWSKeith on Nov 10, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can see the free agent list in the hot stove fanpost.
and olivo is not a free agent.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hot stove fanpost? you mean the weekly music discussion?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you just gotst to be a bitch
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BUSTIN' BALLZ IZ FUN!
or is you gay?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet back in "Suffragette City".
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I DON'T WANTZ TO TALK ABOUT UR GAY MUSIC!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WU likes Coldplay?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Nov 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Old people enjoy bland, unemotional music that can put you to sleep?
Who knew?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 10, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a firestarter - twisted firestarter, OM.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and
The White Sox had several potential in-house free agents decide to test the open market: third baseman Joe Crede, shortstop Orlando Cabrera, utility infielder Juan Uribe and left-handed reliever Horacio Ramirez. General manager Ken Williams does not have to remain in a holding pattern as both sides negotiate possible returns, with the team expected to end its business relationship in all four situations.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 10, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olivo had his option picked up a few days ago
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
anybody get the Soxfest hotel package today?
I did. maybe some of you jabronies can buy me a beer :-)
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why does it say Friday night is only open to people who ordered the Soxfest Hotel package?
I thought you had to stay at the Palmer House to get Soxfest passes.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 10, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Friday is only open to the people who buy the package
saturday and sunday they release a limited number of daily passes.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox now America's Team
according to the “NY Daily News”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i got my obama jersey.
at least i know with a high level of certainty that he’ll be around for the full four years of his current contract. i hear his NTC is pretty airtight.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he play leadoff hitter?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A high level of certainty, eh?
Not reading your right-wing blogs, are you?
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good god. why would anyone read a political blog. i'd rather read steve rosenbloom all day long.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larry = joe friday
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Either one would give me the
diarrhea.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's talking politics?
I’m talking FAR-right…the kind that brings a shiver to the civilized world. Or maybe I’m hearing it in discussions because I am in the South.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather not become involved in a discussion like this. this is the sort of thing that gets you a visit.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Sarah Palin
—-just don’t use the terms “Moose” and “Hunting” together.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I know. And agree with both of you.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should have a weekly "what are you reading" fanpost, too. i bet it would be even more contentious than the musical version.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be pretty cool
basically on OT link dump?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how about a weekly fanpost from the t&a party?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seconded.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what did you have in mind?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
t&a's of course!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 10, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if the boss doesn't mind...
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eye candy thread, eh?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Nov 10, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta give the people what they want.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
poreda open to being reliever
In a conference call with reporters Monday, Poreda revealed he would prefer being a starter but would welcome a relief role if it meant reaching the major leagues sooner.
“Whatever the White Sox want me to do, I’d be more than happy to fulfill that role,” Poreda said.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/11/poreda-closer-a.html
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What do you think larry?
Do you bring up as a reliever next year or try and add another pitch and groom him as a starter?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no change in my opinion. starter. he needs innings under his belt.
i see no reason to punt on him already, especially considering what value he’d add to the bullpen would likely be rather marginal. a better plan might be to have him start in charlotte for three months and then call him in july to work out of the bullpen and/or spot start (if necessary). otherwise known as the mark buehrle plan.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he lights up Spring Training?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
small sample sizes in ST mean very little to me.
there’s a balance to be struck here. of course poreda would be a good (or better) reliever in the majors right now. the question is, do you just decide to stick with that and put him on a permanent course towards being jenks’ replacement in a year or two (or at the very least stunt his development as a starter) or do you give him a half year or year to continue developing as a starter with the knowledge that he could still be jenks’ replacement, or a good set up man, or – better – a #2/3 starter in 2010 and beyond?
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
thanks for the input.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would the mb plan
stipulate that poreda tosses 220+ innings in 2010 assuming he does mostly bp/spot start work in 2009? just being goofy, i agree that the boy needs to build up innings pitched. with the way the staff handled danks this year, i also have confidence in ozzie/coop will protect his arm.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 10, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Viciedo
“…an underachiever with a poor work ethic.”
Beautiful…sign him up. He and Juan will get along just fine.
I’m thinking the hideous blaze-orange uniform is what’s getting him down. Does his team go hunting after ballgames?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Nov 10, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He looks like a member of the Florida Penal Colony team.
Not that I am well-acquainted with that august team.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
san quentin has a solid baseball program (and a nice field as well). college teams from the bay area bus in there and play fairly regularly.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently someone made a movie regarding San Quentin's baseball program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oav5i7ZpmUY
(2:22 trailer)
I especially enjoyed the gentleman at the end doing chin ups with a swastika and “100% Honky” tattooed on his torso.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Nov 10, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For WU
Jogging kills your brain cells. The Army has known this for years; it forces recruits to jog every day, on the theory that some of them will lose so many brain cells that they will eventually reenlist.
-Dave Barry
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 10, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
word on the street is that oakland acquired matt holliday
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
Now there’s an about face by Mr. Beane. I like it though. They could be right back in the thick of it next year with another shrewd move or two and some luck. Any thoughts on Kenny’s plans? I really have no clue.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a free agent after '09. where is beane going to get the dough to pay him long term?
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how that's responsive to dante's point re: next year.
with that division, i’d feel pretty good about my chances next year if i were billy. if not, you’ve just acquired an eminently flippable player at the deadline or a couple picks. i would imagine huston street was a part of this deal – that’s a pumpkin billy no longer has to worry about.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although i hit reply, i was more just adding a question i had regarding the deal. of course it's all elementary depending on what he had to give up.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably about
3 former White Sox minor leaguer’s/Sweeney.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal is reporting it may be
Greg Smith, Street, and Carlos Gonzalez. Nothing definite yet though.
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 10, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would sound about right.
And, I think, Gonzalez is a little less shiny in Beane’s eyes as opposed to a year ago at this time.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, nice haul.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 10, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too shabby.
Round one goes to Billy the Kid. How does KW respond?
So much (again) for “nothing happens until the winter meetings”.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a "Craziest Thing You Can Do I Can Do Better" Contest?
this could get good.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was already in CF for us.
My bad.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not cf. leadoff.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I am not keeping up.
Must be my internal thought processes being focused on other things…
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im hearing sweeney instead of street
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on Nov 10, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember when I suggested the A's get Holliday last trade-deadline at MLBTR.
Well, actually, it was more of a three-team deal that would send Holliday to Philly and Howard to Oakland, but it would have involved Smith and Gonzalez to Colorado. Who’s crazy now? HUH?
Strangely, I’ve actually thought of a similar deal between Oakland and a team to get that one guy that would stabilize their offense and sign him long-term to be face of the franchise. I had it down to Bay and Holliday before Bay was traded. I never considered trading Street to be an option, though; my proposal always included a mix of prospects and young guys going to Colorado.
It will be interesting to see if they’re going to try and sign Holliday(unlikely), and if they’re going balls-out for 09. Of course, when(if?) this becomes official.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just
figure he’s thought that through and decided to give up whatever he did. Don’t you think that little fact was taken into consideration by sir Billy?
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alexei runner-up in AL ROY
longoria unanimous winner.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081110&content_id=3672690&vkey=news_tb&fext=.jsp&c_id=tb
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
aviles "royally" screwed.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tough to impress enough when you barely qualify
and you’re in KC. regression is going to be a bitch, though, for that guy. .360 BABIP? uh uh.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
confused re: barely qualifying.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tough to get the counting stats up, no?
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
still not sure what you're getting at.
dude only had 60 less pa than longoria and ramirez. if you mean that his counting numbers weren’t high enough to warrant consideration from numbnuts voters, i agree. but that doesn’t seem like a “barely qualifying” issue.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Kenny's mind is WIDE open.....
if it works with what’s available….etc., I would not mind Alexei in centerfield.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell...
if he were to give fairly big money to Hudson, for instance, I would even consider signing Izturis to play short for a year or two.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get that at all
you get one position to punt at offensively. until we fix 3rd, that’s going to be a VORPtex
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like us better dfensively.
I’m also putting the pressure on Fields to perform. So be it.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fields is a friggin black hole offensively and defensively and you're just going to run him out there?
.240/.310/.440 and a full win of suck on defense? is that even above replacement level?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i remember when people were about to burn down the cell when crede wasn't traded and fields was sent to AAA...
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i do not believe i was in that crowd.
i was in the “hoard talent” crowd.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right, I fear.
We’d be taking a chance the way I have it, no doubt. But…we might just see the 07 Fields…..I’d take it.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the 07 Fields? .244/.308/.480 was good for about -.5 wins above average
and the defense was probably a full win below replacement. -.5 wins above average = 2 wins above replacement with the bat, so he was 10 runs total above replacement and 15 below average.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i'd certainly query any projection that would say fields would have a .308 again.
doesn’t profile.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems at least safe to say he won't match this season's ops+ of 10.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would have to study this assertion more thoroughly before endorsing it.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is noone taking into account fields was hurt all year
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on Nov 10, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pragmatism
not idealism
The movement was so devastating that television announcer Hawk Harrelson called it "the Doomerang," saying that if Day had enough distance to work with, the pitch would eventually come back to him.
by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to view things for what they are
It’s my coping mechanism. This way, I won’t be disappointed when I’m reassured that Fields is a bust and am very happy when I find out how much value he provides.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i heard fields committed an armed robbery and is likely to be in prison next year.
if we even get 100 PAs out of him, i’ll consider that a success.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guess cowley needs someone new to pick on now that cabrera is gone.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We still have Vazquez.
That’s enough for me, it’s more than enough for Cowley.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cowley is colorblind.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not consistent with most things he writes.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no one said anything about him writing, joe.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe it's spelled noone.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what would you guess fields would OBP were he to play a full 2009 season for the sox?
his obp in 2006 and 2007 in charlotte were very solid. you think he’s capable of posting an above-average obp?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but I’m not holding my breath.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 10, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larry will have numbers and actual analysis. i won't.
i just don’t see how he has a high obp unless he has learned how to hit 89+ mph fastballs off righties.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, he struck out a lot in charlotte, too.
i certainly don’t think he’ll put up numbers similar to those of his previous obp’s in charlotte, but it seems like his 2007 mlb sub-.310 is also unlikely. wouldn’t a .330-.340 obp seem pretty reasonable considering his career numbers? perhaps it’s optimistic, but it seems like you could make a case.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Nov 10, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll always strike out a bunch, but if guys know they can run big league fastballs up there 88+ and win the battle more often than not, he won't draw as many walks.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How I look forward to strikeouts
Usually with a guy on second… is that better than a popup?
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on Nov 10, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i look forward to strikeouts by making sure i have the new issue of barely legal around when i get home.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going with no.
but my math sucks, so we’ll see.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when isn't Kenny's mind open?
he’s clearly using that drug regimen to stay limber
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to deal Konerko to a place
like SF for a guy like Sanchez after the above….how’s that?
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Javy stays ritch here...we need him.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore....
how ‘bout Greg Zaun for a back-up catcher? Wouldn’t mind a right-handed hitter for DH, either….that’s easy enough to find.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UHM....scratch Zaun...
he’s left-handed…..I’m losing it….but, you get my point…..no more Toby……thank god it looks like that’s going to happen.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you relatesd to MM?
Stream of consciousness writing.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose.
Actually….Zaun, of course, is a switch-hitter. What’s surprising is he’s been pretty good right-handed, but w/o nearly the number of chances. Weird. Actually….he may work very well for us.
by dantesox on Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fun on no delay tv...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJUwn6eSNo
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we got 1 or however many more it takes to green light the Hot Stove fanpost?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*more recs
…couldn’t even fit in the friggin most important part
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Nov 10, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sox Scouting
I’m happy that the Sox are pumping money into the scouting of places like Cuba. I think he will sign with the Sox because of having Alexia Ramirez on his team.
by dasox313 on Nov 10, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
post o' the day. rec'd. i'm sure wu will have a rec to follow.
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 10, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can't rec your own post champ
I hope there isn't a rapiest ape.
by U-God on Nov 10, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heart this guy. Of course I'll pile on with the rec.
Whoosh!
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you pal
rec’d
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 10, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alexie not alexia
rec’d ;-)
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 11, 2008 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or alexei. ;-)
"they were supposed to kill my father...but they didn't. that was the night everything changed."
by Toonderstrook on Nov 11, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An AL scout also confirmed the Sox’s interest in Cuban infielder Dayan Viciedo, 19, but said workouts scheduled for this week in the Dominican Republic could dictate the level of interest from other interested teams.
The scout was aware of Viciedo’s ties to the Sox since he is represented by Jaime Torres, the agent for Contreras and Alexei Ramirez. But issues about Viciedo’s power potential and his youth add intrigue.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-11-whitesox-chicagonov11,0,2907010.story
by larry on Nov 11, 2008 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
alexei's scouting report (on viciedo)
“He has incredible potential,” Ramirez said of Viciedo. “He’s got an explosive bat and strength in his wrist.”
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/11/ramirez-welcome.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Nov 11, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
[Insert Ramirez / Viciendo reach-around joke here]
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Nov 11, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more on dayan
A report in Sunday’s Chicago Tribune quoted an expert on Cuban baseball as describing Viciedo as an underachiever with a poor work ethic. But Torres bristled at such a suggestion, questioning if these critics had ever seen Viciedo in action.
“The best indication as to where this young man stands in regard to his potential is through the amount of people that organizations are sending down here to check him out during workouts,” said Torres, with strident tones in defense of Viciedo, who checks in at 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds. “Every organization will be down here.”
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Nov 11, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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