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by colintj on Dec 1, 2008 1:29 PM CST
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I also made this table on Excel. Basically, if you use the positional adjustments and hold constant everything else, you can figure out what a league average defender needs to hit (in wOBA over 600 PA) at a position to be league average overall. And once that's done, you can add defense back in and make this chart. As is evident, 10 points of wOBA over 600 PA is worth half a win. I think it's pretty cool, anyway.
- Arb News from MLB trade rumors - Nothing really big, but a good recap of what's goin' on.
- Gil gets his wins accounted - Nice to see this, since I can use it for...
- This! which I've already linked to, but hey that's cool right? It's my win accounting google doc, plus a bunch of other stuff, most of which is worth checking in on if you haven't in a while.
- John Walsh looks at the extent to which pitchers actually have pinpoint control. It's a pretty interesting idea and application of pitch f/x stuff. I would also bet that the metric he uses there would line up pretty well with my balls called/strikes called command metric.
- Cripple Fight! - Just wanted you guys to know that 2008 Michigan probably wasn't as bad as 2007 Notre Dame. Charlie sets the bar, and we clear it baby.
- Rob Neyer also links to Seidman's win accounting and provides a little context.
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You mean 2008 UM vs. 2007 ND, right?
I know you want to be graduated and stuff, but it’s not 2009 yet.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
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criticizing colin.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
flagged
over flagging.
"I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 1, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
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He knows all, afterall, he is omnipotent.
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yes, I use those 2 words so frequently. What a blunder!
Im not omniscient.
"I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 1, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
hey! sky reveals his other identity!
let’s have a post on the differences between the various omnis. cunt.
JERRY OWENS
you from peoria too?
regards.
"I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 1, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
edited to reflect above
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Hampton to the Astros
Pitcher Mike Hampton has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the Houston Astros pending a physical exam, two baseball sources told ESPN.com. The contract will pay Hampton a base salary of about $2 million plus incentives, the source said . . .
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/shysterball/article/hampton-to-the-astros/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
MLBTR
3:31pm: Ken Rosenthal says it’s a one-year, $2MM deal with another $2MM in appearance-based incentives. Hard to find fault in that.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
cowley
… shortstop Orlando Cabrera will likely be offered arbitration because his status as a Type A free agent. The song and dance of it is the Sox will offer Cabrera arbitration, which he would then turn down knowing a multi-year deal is awaiting him on the open market. With him turning the club down the Sox would then get two draft picks as compensation for losing him.
In other words, his selfishness would finally benefit the Sox.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/12/arbitration_offer.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
the white sox are being selfish, too, joe.
cabrera would likely get more money/years, or at least more suitors, if teams weren’t giving up picks.
JERRY OWENS
"Pinpoint control" referenced in Walsh's article.
Why are we discussing this? (We’ll we’re not, but he is.) I remember reading in “Ball Four” Bouton’s take on “pinpoint control”, and it is the same as postulated above (without the accompanying scatterplot).
Interesting to see Javy as one of the best 3-0 count pitchers re: trhowing strikes. He sure seems to have a lot of practice at it…
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
wow
did not see that coming
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Dec 1, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
how is this a shock
he is one of the worst defensive catchers i have ever seen. combined with the pitching staff not giving a shit when a runner is on….. i don’t understand why teams don’t run more against us (and they do run a lot against us) but it should be even more. Every time a guy gets on (unless its Big Hurt or Big Papi) they are going.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He still, right now, is our most Indespensible Player.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I agree with you 100 percent.
which is pretty scary in two ways…. 1- that i agree with you and 2- that one of the worst defensive catchers in the league is our most indispensable player.
He does bring a lot to the table as far as situational hitting, attitude and some would say pitch calling go though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Every now and again you have a cogent thought,
so it would make sense you’d agree with me infrequently, since I always am cogent. Embrace those times, KW4L.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
and lets face it..... it's not like there are countless options in our minor league system
They couldn’t even beat out the Tob-miester for god sake
Kenwo4life=ratings
You ready to hand over the reins to the kid already?
Backup – yes. Starting (how does he handle the pitchers?)? Maybe not yet.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
he's likely better than toby.
last year, the white sox didn’t really have anyone who could provide legitimate production as a starter, if need be, other than aj (toby probably adequate as an infrequent platoon mate). i don’t think that’s the case anymore. cole’s leftiness and defense would probably make a drop-off in production from aj to a replacement less steep than in the past.
JERRY OWENS
to speak more to your point,
as currently constructed, would the bigger drop in production come from, say, MB being replaced by marquez? aj by armstrong? quentin by owens? [insert whatever other candidate(s) from inside/outside the organization you think.] the sox at least have a palatable internal option now at catcher.
JERRY OWENS
I think the MB/Marquez comparison is specious, as
I’d look at it like MB would be replaced by Danks, Danks by Javy, Javy by Gavin, etc. So I think you are not looking at replacing a #1 with a #5, or in Marquez’ case, a #8. Same with the OF’s – JO would not replace Q in LF. Plus, you saw we won the division without a month of Q, so that argument is somewhat moot. (I think you made it yourself last year when Q went down with his injury – that he was not as “indispensable” for a month’s injury as someone else might be.)
However, Toby/Donny Lucy/Stretch Armstrong/RCOA (rotting corpse of Alomar) vs. AJ, well, now you are talking significant dropoff, since we only have one catcher at a time we can play, and 3-4 OF’s (and 5-6 SP’s/week) we have to employ at all times.
Cole is a legit backup for now. It’d be wondrous to now have a 3rd C and see if Cole can make it in the bigs. I’d still dance with AJ for 120 games until proven otherwise.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
You can make
it more complicated by looking at each individual pitcher replacing the person ahead of them on the depth chart, however, it does not make a difference in terms of value. In this scenario, if you had to replace MB with Marquez (due to injury or any other reason) and all pitchers had to move up a slot in the rotation, adding up the changes in production of the individual pieces (Danks for Buerhle, Floyd for Danks, etc.) is the same as looking at MB for Marquez.
I would also still ‘dance’ with AJ for 120 games give or take in 2009, but that does not make him the most indispensible player anymore. A year ago? Probably. But, I think a solid argument could be made for Danks and/or Quentin given the current roster construction and other internal options.
But you would not replace a #1 with a #5 SP.
I can see there being an additive change from a theoretical dropoff (our #2 going to #1, our #3 going to #2, etc.) if there was a big difference in 1-4, which there is not. There is, however, a big dropoff from #4 to #5, which is why I chose to look at it in my myopic way.
And tell me how Q can least afford to be lost, since we actually did fine the last month? I agree, he’s our MVP and makes us a legit title team (and we could not have won it without him). But most indespensible? Not so, IMO. Until we get a C with decent numbers, longevity (meaning he doesn’t get hurt) and can handle the staff AJ’s still the guy.
And I don’t like that AJ occupies such rarified air – it is what it is. And I don’t mind pissing in the wind if there are few alternatives (like now) for another week or two.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
If you think going
12-14 with their worst offensive month is doing fine, then I can’ t argue with you. However, I am going to say it will take more than 75 wins and .301 team OBP to win the division this year. I would argue that the offense did not do fine in his absence and the dropoff next year to Owens would be even larger.
IF all we have is JO to replace Q (and I doubt this will remain
by ST – I think we’ll have another proven vet out there) then, sure, you are correct. Though I still think that losing a SP or Jenks would affect us just as negatively, and .500 or so isn’t bad without Q for the short term.
However, losing AJ – look at the playoff tag picture, man! – and we lose a big intangible, too (can’t quantify what he means to the pitching staff, though I’d imagine he does a pretty good job).
As larry says, ymmv. (I am picking up on this.)
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
not sure i understand what you mean.
however you want to add it up, there will be a drop in production from whomever to whomever. whoever is replacing the starts MB would be making is replacing him. that’s seems to me what one should look at and i don’t understand what the efficacy of your gymnastics is.
and quentin wasn’t “indispensable” because 1) it was a month; there are few to no players that are indispensable for that amount of time and 2) the white sox had swisher/griffey/BA/wise to all play with. now, the white sox may go get someone – outfielders aren’t exactly difficult to find – but the drop in production from an aj to replacement level (which is what armstrong is) isn’t nearly as steep as it is from quentin to replacement level.
pissing in the wind here because who knows what the future will bring. my point is simply that i don’t think aj is nearly as “indispensable” as he was last year.
JERRY OWENS
i agree
i didn’t understand all this AJ is our most important part, I figured it was based on the drop off in productivity due to his replacement, but if we’re talking about losing Q for x games and replacing him with Jesse and losing AJ for x games and replacing him with Armstrong, or whoever – seems like Q is more ’irreplaceable."
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Still raking.
Last 10 AFL games hitting “only” .289, 11 / 38, 6 of the 11 were XBH – 3 2Bs & 3 HRs – plus 5 BBs.
’08 AFL line – .320 / .381 / .588.
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
BNA rakes in AZ, too.
Remember Pop Fisher – “This is practice, Red. We’ll see.”
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Yeah, i've always played my best golf in the fall.
Forget how to play by April.
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
Hooray I made a table Hooray
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Thats right pat yourself on the back because no one else is going to do it.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 1, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
maybe no one else is obsessive like me and always has a thread open to the comments
but i figured i’d make some note for the real basement dwellers
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Nice work.
Do you have Getz tied up in your closet?
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Reply button still a bitch, DB?
And by “DB”, I am referring only to your initials.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I wanted to make it clear that my post was after og's. out of spite.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 1, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
could have replied to mine DB and I dont mean your initials.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 1, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
any pictures?
yawn
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
well i think it's cool.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
hey colin....
Happy Aids Day!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 1, 2008 8:22 PM CST reply actions
45 minutes until the arbitration deadline
Why do they have to make us sweat an obvious decision?
AIM: SouthSideCheat
they know you don't go to bed till 2
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Should I/we be surprised at some of the decisions so far?
I’m seeing that both Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu (most prominently) weren’t offered arbitration. That gave me a bit of pause re: Cabrera, as both seem to be varying degrees of better than OC (this point is probably arguable, especially Abreu versus Cabrera, but that’s not really the point of my post) — but then again, those look like they might be pretty unique cases. The Diamondbacks, for one, appear to be in a real financial bind (or at least moreso than other clubs) and Abreu would’ve been set to make more than $16 million (right?) in arbitration, and I think it’s likely he’ll only see about 70-80% of that on the market (on a per-year basis).
On another point, am I wrong to say this is looking like a buyer’s market, even with the economy in the tank? The talk makes it seem that teams are reluctant to pony up for the non Sabathia’s/Teixeira’s in this year’s class. I’m wondering, if the Sox are able to trade Dye and plug one hole through that trade (young SP, presumably), if they’ll then go and see if they can pick up one of the many LF/RF/DH types out there (MILTON BRADLEY!).
I thought Levine reported earlier
that they offered OC arbitration. Maybe it was just a dream.
I make it a point not to listen to talk radio
saves brain cells.
and I’ve had about 25 mlb.com releases from other teams hit my reader today announcing their arbitration decisions…. The Sox are one of the 5 teams without an update
AIM: SouthSideCheat
the sox webmaster is banging cowley's wife
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
its 11:06 and no announcement
does this mean the white sox don’t want free picks in next years draft? maybe its a shallow draft anyway so they dont want to bother.
Kenwo4life=ratings
new deadline: 11 pm sunday
Cabrera, who earned $9 million last season, now has until 11 p.m. CT on Sunday to accept or decline arbitration. Players who accept arbitration become contractually bound to that team for the following season.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
are the meetings still going on in dana point?
if so, kenny’s out night surfing. it’s only quarter after 10
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
Cabrera pretty far down the list as mentioned. Just ahead of Grudze.
Humbling.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
You know what grinds my gears...
Is the fact that Sabathia is supposedly not just going for the money and would rather be near his home, would like to hit, and wants to sign for the right reasons yet the Players Assoc. is making it hard for him to do it. What, salaries aren’t high enough? For once we’ve got a guy supposedly trying to do what he wants for good reasons and they might not let him. This system is fucked up.
Happened to ARod
When he wanted to take a paycut to go to Boston. Isn’t the first or last time.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Bah. Sure he said he wanted to take a paycut.
And then he opted out of his contract and demanded more money. Sounds like a real class act. The kind that slaps baseball players and kicks puppies.
he's a top-tier FA
what’s the union going to do? kick him out? they just want him to set the market bar high. i would think he’s within his rights to tell them to fuck off. whether it’s “the right thing to do” is arguable.
do any members of SSS, LLP know anything about the sports union bylaws?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Free agents
Left fielders
Moises Alou (42) – Type B, not offered arb
Garret Anderson (37) – Type B, not offered arb
Milton Bradley (31) – Type B, offered arb
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32) – Type A, not offered arb
Adam Dunn (29) – Type A, not offered arb
Cliff Floyd (36)
Luis Gonzalez (41) – Type B, not offered arb
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Raul Ibanez (37) – Type A, offered arb
Gabe Kapler (33)
Jason Michaels (33)
Craig Monroe (32)
Greg Norton (36)
Jay Payton (36)
Manny Ramirez (37) – Type A, offered arb
Juan Rivera (30)
So Taguchi (39)
Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Gabe Kapler (33)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)
Scott Podsednik (33)
So Taguchi (39)
Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35) – Type A, not offered arb
Casey Blake (35) – Type B, offered arb
Emil Brown (34)
Cliff Floyd (36)
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) – Type B, not offered arb
Gabe Kapler (33)
Jason Michaels (33)
Trot Nixon (35)
Brad Wilkerson (32)
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
before you kick my ass out you opos
that means that teams interested in dunn, perhaps the white sox, don’t have to give up draft picks if they sign him, just cash?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
si.
his value on the market just went higher.
i don’t understand why teams do this. it’s not like one year of dunn is a deadweight or something. if you don’t want him on your roster, you can trade him just as easily as you traded for him.
JERRY OWENS
as fyi, these are the players mlbtraderumors considers to be surprise nontenders (i wouldn't say all of them are but...)
Surprisingly not offered arbitration:
Bobby Abreu
Joe Beimel
Pat Burrell
Adam Dunn
Braden Looper
Jamie Moyer
Randy Wolf
Kerry Wood
JERRY OWENS
do you think garland will make more than 11 in the fa market?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I think so too...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i guess we can (almost) put to bed the garland-cabrera deal.
obviously, this was a clear win for the white sox – where and who the picks are will determine how big of a win.
how about some classic SSS: cheat talking down the trade haters, tdogg declaring his confidence in floyd, larry convincing colin to love gavin, rob neyer saying uribe will outhit cabrera, ssh posting some random player being waived…
http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/11/19/173239/53
or, even better, ssh declaring it a “good trade” and then eight minutes later declaring it “pretty crappy”, larry slapping down bhoov for failing to do proper research before posting, ssh telling someone to go to wsi…ah, those were the days.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/11/19/1297/6891
JERRY OWENS
Nice of you to blow yourself, lar.
But I prefer to focus on the one who got it right. This from the 2nd post larry referenced:
PS Not that anyone pines for my opinion, but I think it’s a good deal if the Sox are trying to compete for the next 1-2 years while hoping the farm catches up. We have been agonizing over a #2 hitter and now have a bona fide one. We have been agonizing over our SS play and now have a significant upgrade – perhaps not in range/age. (Who gives an eff about the fact that he’s 33?) Instead of flashy/inconsistent play we’ll have good,reliable play (isn’t he a gold-glover, anyway?)
We’ve filled 2 major gaps – SS and #2 hitter (Cheat, I am aware these are both not positions!). And how many have been in love with Garland? I don’t necessarily agree we ought to be trying to stitch togeter a competitive season at the expense of long-term growth but whatthehell, the Yankees did it for years before they developed their farm system and were able to do more than compete – they won.
A good trade. Now if we can plug the ‘pen and OF holes we might have something. I don’t know that we have a “big fish” worth the $ being bandied about for FA’s but we’ll have to see (Jones/Rowand?).
Our immediate future (next year) is even mopre tied to Coop developing one of our kids into a solid #3.
2010 – the waiting is the hardest part.
by winningugly on Nov 19, 2007 3:31 PM EST
What a smart mofo, except for the pre-school typing. (And yes, I see the irony in calling larry on blowing himself whilst I am doing the same to myself.)
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Yeah, but he has a lot more practice at it...
you might just break your neck if you keep it up.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
white sox apparently not interested in japanese FAs
Chicago’s Kenny Williams: "We really like Uehara, Kawakami, Takahashi, and Aikawa," before adding, "we don’t have the budget to get involved in the Japanese market".
http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/padres-white-sox-brewers-indians-not-in-on-npb-free-agents/
JERRY OWENS
I don't think your title is correct
White Sox are INTERESTED, but just simply can’t compete. Difference.
So we hope the following sign Cabrera?
1. Dodgers.
2. Marlins.
3. Cardinals.
4. Jays.
5. Astros.
6. Mariners.
.
.
.
And not
1. Diamondbacks.
2. Indians.
3. Rangers.
4. A’s.
5. Royals.
6. Rockies.
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
that's not right.
picks 1-15 are protected. so don’t want teams drafting there to sign him.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009-draft-order/
JERRY OWENS
This year 1 - 16 protected because of Nationals compensation for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Aaron Crow.
Top starting w/ Dodgers is correct, bottom is pretty close.
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
more in depth study of babip that goes beyond just line drive rate.
swisher still will be much better next year. at least PK will, too.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/batters-and-babip/
JERRY OWENS
it even comes with a spreadsheet!
good. stuff.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I think by spring we'll see
plenty of media barbs back and forth from union and ownership….union complaining about low salaries despite huge revenues….and ownership about state of economy.
The economy will begin recovering by the 2nd quarter's end, IMO.
Salaries will not go lower – their growth might not keep exploding, but they will not go down. Ownership might complain about attendance for the first few months, but I’ll bet baseball will be like the movies – attendance won’t be affected that much. What it WILL affect is corporate sponsorship/advertising (see how they are ready to kill NASCAR off if we don’t bail out the Big 3 automakers?).
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I am. Recessions don't generally last this long (a year and counting).
2 more quarters should do it.
Now it won’t be a barnburner as we come out of it, but we’ll stop sliding. And, are you forgetting:
OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BO = Nicky Punto. The recession’s a good as dead, just like the Twins have already won the 2009 division if Nicky is re-signed.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
this isn't your average recession.
if we’re out of it before the start of 2010 i will be shocked. there ain’t going to be a consumer to spend out of it.
JERRY OWENS
Right on re: consumers.
However, don’t forget the printing presses. They’re churning out money all over the world. Inflation, schminflation (for now). Buyers of last resort (government) are stepping up. Watch.
6-7 more months, excepting an exogenous event (war, meteor, etc.). Get more aggressive in Feb-March.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
well, if we're talking stocks or assets, sure.
forward looking. i’d certainly be buying, selectively of course (no retail – by the way, sell now before all the bankruptcies after the holidays). businesses who have cash will, too. query, of course, who actually has much cash.
but actually getting out of recession? highly skeptical.
JERRY OWENS
at best, i think we're looking at another 18 months...
at worst, perhaps 10 years.
no predictions here… the older i get the easier to say ‘fuck if i know’.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
U.S. May Be in for ‘Great Recession,’ Longest Postwar
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aXTWFDfLt8KM
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
IIRC the average length of a recession is 14 months.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Dec 2, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Wiki says 13 months, "though the more recent ones have been shorter"
9 months is the average “bear” market. You say “tomato”…
Start of the 3rd quarter next year.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I mean, there's still the counter argument that this is not an average recession
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Dec 2, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
And I think WU said
mid next year which would be 18 months . . . longer than the average recession. I do not think it is unrealistic that we could emerge from the recession in mid to late 2009. Not a booming economy, but not a contracting one either.
Massive. Government. Spending.
Unparalleled in the last 60+ years. All over the world.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
My radically free market capitalistic soul just threw up.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Dec 2, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
spending
won’t uncle sam use his deb(i)t card?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
only half-fast
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
Kenny down to 25 cents
… In the middle of this much-talked-about youth movement, Josh Fields (third base) and the combination of Jerry Owens/Brian Anderson (center field) and Chris Getz/Jayson Nix (second base) have been mentioned by Williams and Guillen as 2009 starting candidates. Newly acquired Jeff Marquez is slated to compete with Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda for the fifth starter slot as the White Sox head into the Winter Meetings.
There’s still a good chance at least one or two of these spots will feature a veteran addition between now and February. Don’t look for that addition to be a high-salaried, multiyear gun for hire.
Instead, Williams will continue to rely on scouting and his ability to see three or four years down the road as opposed to just the season at hand when looking for talent. It might not mean the highest-profile name, but it will be the best fit for the White Sox championship target.
“With regards to what has been discussed and what will be discussed, we will not do anything that doesn’t give us an opportunity to continue to win a championship this year but also set us up for future years,” said Williams, who has 19-year-old third baseman Dayan Viciedo expected to be in the fold and needs a backup catcher. “If it doesn’t solve both aspects, we don’t travel down that road.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Merkin really is a ton better than his S-T/Trib counterparts
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
press release
White Sox offer salary arbitration to Orlando Cabrera
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081202&content_id=3698438&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
that ones for JRE
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
who's ready for more of rj anderson's "selective use of stats and projections to argue the point i want to make" theatre?
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/2/677672/astros-sign-mike-hampton
not that i necessarily disagree with the overarching conclusion but jeez louise.
JERRY OWENS
dollars per win
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/payroll-adjusted-dollar-per-win-figures
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-the-context
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Never a fan of this cost per win snapshot
It’s great and all the Ray’s won with a low payroll.. but it’s not like the guys they won with are hidden gems or they are that much better at scouting than other teams. This isn’t a case of doing less with more, it’s a case of them being god awful for 10 years and having those young, relatively cheap top draft picks deliever.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
some might argue that their recent success with top draft picks is the result of better scouting.
or, at the very least, an organizational philosophy that has the “best” player selected. it’s not like there isn’t a rather decent comparison to be made to another franchise that has also had a similar run of top picks.
JERRY OWENS
As long as we go farther in the playoffs than the Cubs
I don’t mind the extra $75K/win being spent. And especially since our 1 win at year’s end meant a little more than theirs.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Eff you, Cubs!!!!
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
Jon Stewart Touches Kids - Plaxico Burress
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=210921
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
WU's daughter?
“I grew up in a family of Republicans. And when I was 18 and registering to vote, my mom’s only instruction was ‘You just go in and pull the big Republican lever.’ That’s my welcome to adulthood. She’s like, ‘No, don’t even read it. Just pull the Republican lever.”’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/01/tina-fey-explains-her-fac_n_147309.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I keep telling you, Wiz,
I voted Carter, Anderson, and Mondale. Clinton once, too. But I have grown up. You should try it.
Tina is hot, ain’t she? Glad she’s not my daughter, or I’d be in confession every day, or therapy.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
sorry, I must've missed it....
of course she’s hot
MM is asking his hookers to wear ‘tina fey glasses’
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
sorry, didn't realize i was in the minority, but i don't find tina fey attractive at all. funny, sometimes, but not hot.
Cashing checks and having sex.
For clarification:
Not all women need to look like strippers to be hot. Someday you’ll maybe want to marry one, and Tina is the one you’d marry. And have fun doing the rest of your life.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with WU here
I find tina hot hot hot
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i know you're experiencing a lot of emotions with the vazquez trade and all,
but you’re talking like a crazy man, wu.
Cashing checks and having sex.
crazy to think tina fey is hot?
Not all women need to look like strippers to be hot.
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
im with mm
not hot
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
She's alright, but certainly not hot
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Kids.
Moms and intelligent women can be hot. The brain is the center of Eros, man.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
http://www.sox35th.com/index.php/334/why-jermaine
Talk by this team’s front office is usually just talk, and on opening day 2009, when we all look out at the outfield of Carlos Quentin, Pat Burrell, and, oh, let’s say Bobby Abreu, we can say to each other, "That’s 100 wins right there, minimum. Maybe more."
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I would not have minded the Dye for Abreu postulated trade from last year.
Always liked Bobby. Plus, he kills us.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
I've never liked him,
plus, he kills us.
Owens is "fast" but would be a huge high risk/high reward. by WTGTD, 11/26/08
Depo explains arbitration
http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2008/12/offering-arbitration.html
Once upon a time, actually up until just a few years ago, if a Club failed to offer arbitration to one of their free agents then they could basically no longer negotiate with that player. He was essentially cut off from returning. Therefore, this was actually a huge deadline, and you’d often see many deals get done at the 11th hour. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, this is no longer the case.
With the new system, the offer of arbitration has just two components: 1) if the player accepts he is deemed a “signed” player, immediately returns to the 40-man roster, and enters into the arbitration process just as a younger player would, and 2) if the player rejects the offer, is a Type A or Type B free agent, and signs with another Club, then the original Club receives some sort of draft pick compensation. So, basically, Clubs will offer arbitration only if they want draft pick compensation or would be happy with a one year deal that the arbitration process would create (or both, really – they want draft picks but would also be happy with the one year deal).
AIM: SouthSideCheat
There was a post a few weeks ago linking to this blog -
good info. Thanks.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
think kdub said this?
“You make an offer now, you’re just setting the basement offer for everybody else.”
—AL general manager, on free agency.
from the week in quotes
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions
So if we trade Dye
not saying we will, but it we do, would anyone here be that opposed to going after adam dunn and moving Q! into right?
i don’t want to study for nutrition
It's all in the game
Tim Dierkes thinks we have one of the two worst farm systems in baseball
guy needs to get with it. shouldn’t we be around 20th now?
It's all in the game
maybe we crack the teens after we hopefully get some picks for O-Cab
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
this is our list as of now with me adding in Viciedo
1. Gordon Beckham, ss – see his AFL performance…
2. Aaron Poreda, lhp – good fastball, weak secondary pitches… sounds like he just needs a cutter
3. Dayan Viciedo, 3B/1B – fat cubano, gotta love him
4. Clayton Richard, lhp – hopefully we see some more of what we saw in the ALDS
5. Brandon Allen, 1b – Seems comparable to Ryan Howard, but this was his only good year
6. Jordan Danks, of – five tool prospect missing the contact and power tools
7. Chris Getz, 2b – PUNTO?!
8. John Shelby, of – needs to become more patient, otherwise has some talent with the bat
9. John Ely, rhp – don’t know much about him, not bad numbers in his first year
10. Cole Armstrong, c – hopefully his strong performance with the bat in the AFL continues, im hearing he’s a very good defensive catcher
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
How much stock
should be placed in Becks’ 66 abs? I mean, thats a small sample and its an offense-inflated league, no?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
it's suggestive at most
but his first 120 professional ABs are pretty encouraging.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Dierkes needs to stick with the rumor stuff. He doesn't know enough about farm systems and player analysis yet.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
his info is just dated
he’s a regurgitator in that regard.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
rosenthanl
The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are in serious discussions with the White Sox about a trade for right-hander Javier Vazquez, according to major-league sources.
The White Sox would receive as many three players in return. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes and infielder Brent Lillibridge are among the names under discussion, sources said.
Vazquez, 32, went 12-16 with a 4.67 ERA for the White Sox last season. He has pitched 200 or more innings in eight of the last nine seasons, the exception being 2004, when he worked 198.
Vazquez’s limited no-trade clause permits him to block deals only to teams in the NL West and AL West. He is under contract for $11.5 million next season and $11.5 million in 2010.
JERRY OWENS
Jo-JO?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
really
he of the AAA .638 OPS. I also remember Lillibridge as a good prospect. But, the first thing that I thought was how come I haven’t heard anything about him in the last couple of years. At least Reyes has continued to perform well in the minors while sucking in the majors (a lefty Gavin Floyd pattern?).
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
oh my sarcasm
meter was down
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
like the sig.
still think cholesterol brothers is probably better than any of my non-masset work but you gotta keep it fresh.
JERRY OWENS
I actually like Reyes
Lillibridge – meh…. I did remember him as hot stuff awhile ago. He rates as an above defender right? Either way I need more than that for Javy. This doesn’t qualify as steep price.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
colin, does that wOBA chart use Tango's position adjustments?
It looks like it, except for the 3B not being the same as 2B and CF…
Good presentation of the info, I posted it at BtB.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
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